Harvard Study Finds Admissions Bias Against Asian-Americans
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2018
- Jun.15 -- Harvard University’s own researchers found statistical evidence that its undergraduate application process discriminated against Asian-American applicants, yet its admissions officials ignored the results and took no action, a group suing for bias claimed. Bloomberg's Patricia Hurtado has more on "What'd You Miss?"
This is hardly news amongst Asians
Affirmative action in NBA or NFL would be fair, diversity trumps everything
If Kim Kardashian applies for Harvard, she would be accepted because of her personality.
HAHAH VERY true!!
MrPathorock no NoT personality.. because she barely has one.. it's because she uses her sexually
So sadly true.
@Hulagu Mongke GOOD ONE, DUDE!
You want a great doctor, engineer, scientist or you want great personality and skin color?
3:33 Nope. Affirmative Action DOESN'T help you if you're Asian.
Here's a direct quote from the study based on the admissions data that Harvard was forced to release:
"For an Asian-American applicant who is not disadvantaged and has a 25% probability of admission, if the applicant was treated like applicants of another racial group, his or her probability of admission would change dramatically. If treated as a white applicant, the probability of admission would increase to 30% if the applicant were female and 36% percent if the applicant were male. These jumps in probability are large and statistically significant, as they equate to a 20% and 44% increase in the probability of admission, respectively.
If the applicant were treated like an African-American or Hispanic applicant in the baseline dataset, the jumps would be even greater. If treated like a Hispanic applicant, the probability of admission would increase to 74% (if the applicant were female) and 77% (if the applicant male). And if treated like an African-American applicant, the probability of admission would increase to 94% (if female) and 95% (if male)."
Case
Dude where did you get your statistics??
The quote is from pages 69-70 of the study released yesterday: samv91khoyt2i553a2t1s05i-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Doc-415-1-Arcidiacono-Expert-Report.pdf
Also of interest is Table B.5.5 (pg 118) which shows alumni interviewers (who sit down in face to face interviews to assess personal character) giving Asian American applicants the second highest personal ratings, yet the Admissions office (who never even meet the applicants) giving Asian American applicants the lowest personal ratings.
High ratings from teachers and guidance counselors are also seemingly ignored by the admissions office ONLY when it comes to Asian American applicants. From the study (pg 41): "Asian-American applicants are substantially stronger in other dimensions as well. Compared to white applicants, Asian-American applicants have better extracurricular ratings and overall alumni ratings, similar teacher 1 ratings, but slightly lower ratings than whites on counselor, teacher 2, and alumni personal ratings. Asian-American applicants are stronger than African-American and Hispanic applicantson all these dimensions except two: the athletic and personal ratings). As shown in Section 2.4., the athletic rating is relatively unimportant."
Mike Gilardino You should actually take a look at the information released by Harvard. They note that Asian applicants supersede other applicants in extracirriculars as well, and that Asians need to outscore white applicants by some 100 points to be seen as equal. So a more accurate way of looking at it is an Asian kid with a 1600 SAT who's CEO/founder of an LLC and he has been giving lectures on Astrophysics in 8 different countries, in 5 diffrent languages losing his spot to a Jewish kid with no extracirriculars and a 1500. (Yes, I go to an Ivy as well, and white students generally have less on their resumes)
"We want humans at Harvard, not human-bots."
Lmao, as a white guy at Harvard, its obvious the white students here are less qualified than the Asian students (though, it's somewhat because of the athletes)
Also, you realize this "we want people of good character" argument was created to keep Jews out of Harvard in the 1920s, right?
Ha.!! In the 1920’s jews were rejected on the same reason which are very subjective with reasons like ‘moral character’ and ‘bookishness’
And look how that turned out?
@Elena Lina look at Europa Man's comment
@Elena Lina OK
Alice Rodríguez. The first people to really inhabit the Americas were people who migrated from Russia across a land bridge, or so the theory goes, and you are correct in saying no one really owned the land as the natives didn’t see land as a thing you could own. They learned to correct this thinking once the Europeans came around however, cause those bastards just have to fuck everything up.
Notice how nobody comes right out & says what affirmative action actually is. It's lowering the standards for African Americans because colleges don't believe they're capable of performing at same level as others.
Zach - AA is not the issue. Harvard/ the ivies are keeping the Asian American numbers down under their "diversity" agenda ( it's not AA ).
@@tocrob Harvard is admitting unqualified blacks and hispanic because AA in disguise of diversity. Is there any diversity or AA for Asians in NFL and NBA. Can NBA change rules for Asians to score easy and Blacks difficult? Harvard is doing just that, making it harder for Asians and easier for Blacks
Not true. Failing to get the point. The majority of African Americans in this country come from underprivileged areas hence the lower academic scores. The bar has to be fair, it is MUCH harder for a low income child to get a 1500 SAT score than someone is high income.
Can we just eliminate the section asking our race? By that, admission officers can see us as person and take a better look into our personalities
agreed. On some applications I believe you can even write "prefer not to say" on the race section
@@jakeburri649 Can you do the same for the name? Also, how does that help me if when they see "Prefer not to say" it means Asian or White.
Agreed!
Asian doesn’t just mean Chinese. Asian is an extremely diverse group of people on its on. People and cultures vary extremely from Eastern Asia to the Indian subcontinent to Southeast Asia to the deserts/plains and to the mountains in the west
You mean the deserts and plains in western asia(middle east).
liberal diversity doesn't mean actual diversity. liberal diversity means the browner the better.
Physics Only Brown Asian Americans are also discriminated against
Fools do not know even Arabs are Asian Americans including Indians, Pakistanis, Afghanis etc.
Most Asian Americans are actually brown. They’re not Korean or Chinese like I guess you think
Unless you are Indian.
wouldn't say Indians and Pakistanis are Arabs tho...
I once said race and gender should be stopped in admissions, and a white girl said, "That would end diversity: The college would be like 70% asian, 25% white... Did you even think of that?" Like I wanted it to be 70% white instead or something. I don't care what it is if it's not racist or sexist.
There aren’t even enough Asians for colleges to be 70% Asian everywhere and at the same time lol. Maybe if they all flocked to one or two university
@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN Oh. 5% of population skewing heavily towards young age will be enough to take 70% in most of the top schools.
It is true that an extraordinarily attractive personality is of great importance in order to be distinctively successful in Chemistry, Mathematics, and Physics, .... , also Engineering.
@Mike Gilardino
Good perspective.
Mike Gilardino clearly you’ve never met an Asian. I know Asians who have internships with the state government, are ranked 20 best leaders in the country. have high SAT scores, are Class Presidents and their chances are decreased drastically. To think Asians are only good on standardized scores shows that you’re ignorant of the education landscape in the current times.
Mike Gilardino Too bad the facts are against your opinion. Goodluck with all that bullchit 🤗
mike gilardino you have no life you racist trash. a 1595 sat isn't even possible idiot hahahaha
Francis Draco the most creative you've ever been is spouting nonsense you racist trash.
This is why applications should not be evaluated on anything other then those elements that can be measered , the applications she be blind to race , gender, religion and economics !
How to get into Harvard
1. Be a liberal
2. Be dark
be a black, female, Islam, lesbian, then answer 1+1=?question got a correct answer, and receive a full scholarship from Harvard
best food y’all goofy as fuck. Trying to downplay people’s HARD WORK but it really doesn’t matter at the end of the day they win and you sit behind a keyboard miserable.
How will personality help to keep up in a very challenging academic environment? Or are they also going to lower the standard of education too?
Tell me that the sky is blue and the grass is green.
Come on this is so freaking obvious.
yes but now there is concrete evidence
It's obvious Harvard discriminate (requiring higher standardized testing and ranking the "personality" lower by admission officers who never met the applicants vs the high rating of the alumni who actually interviewed them). The issue is: should it be OK to discriminate one group for the benefit of another? If so, under what across-the-board criteria? Knowing that Asians were discriminate against due to the foreign looks, culture, and language when they first came to the U.S (and even now sadly), how did they become as successful as they are now and should they be further punished for it?
Lawsuit was filed in 2014 and then they finally talked about it publicly in 2018. Things sure do move fast
I’m a minority that goes to an Ivy League and I absolutely detest affirmative action. The only word that describes it is racist, and that’s that.
That being said, it still makes me sad when any time someone sees a minority at a prestigious school, they automatically disqualify the student for anything they’ve done. Yes, their admission was more probable, but you don’t know if they were valedictorian or won the Intel Research award. Argue on facts, not emotion (I’d recommend Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro as some of the best examples for that)
Chris Jacobson - both Shapiro and Peterson are tools that have difficulty using facts to cite their claims.
Pity the thousands of Asians Americans who slog through years of studying only to have their dreams crushed by the racist Harvard university.
With all the crap that keeps falling out there I would be embarrassed to say I went to Harvard.
I also suspect that Harvard/the ivies admit Asian American of lesser talents from the more talented Asian applications. The more ambitious/talented Asian American students should get an IB qualification while in high school and search internationally for their higher educations ( I think the costs would be about the same overall ) .
about time this issue was addressed
Why it doesn't surprise me lol
WOW! UA-cam took down lots of similar videos! I am outraged! since when Google started to become racism?
It reflects so poorly on Americans that this has become a conversation about Asians vs Affirmative action for African Americans and Hispanics while 15-20% of the acceptances at Harvard are going to Legacy students and children of ultra rich donors. Is that fair? What exactly did Legacy students do to deserve their spot? Why isn’t anyone talking about that too?
Angel S The study done on Harvard also revealed that 70% of all legacy applicants are white and that three quarters of them would not have been accepted through regular stringent filters. It also found that the chances of being accepted increased 5x if the student applicant had that special designation. I think that’s enough to conclude that Legacy is an affirmative action for the rich and white. These Unis are also getting grants from the government (our taxes), tuition from our kids, and yet seek donations and sizable endowment from ultra rich Americans and foreigners too in exchange for admission. My sources:
1. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-harvard-finds-43-percent-white-students-are-legacy-athletes-n1060361
2. www.npr.org/2020/02/13/805548681/harvard-yale-targets-of-education-department-probe-into-foreign-donations
@Carissa Wu Not entirely the full picture. Private institutions ALSO receive federal tax grants. In fact just rewind a few months ago to Harvard turning down the pandemic bailout check they got from Trump administration. Most of the endowments these universities are currently managing are already so big that they can be self sufficient for beyond the next 100 years. There is really no reason to feel “obliged” to admit legacy students to support the facilities. Let’s be honest in that these crazy sized endowments are really just about trading powers away from middle class and money away from taxes, not about education or creating a meritocracy. It’s definitely perverse when private school tuitions will soon become more affordable than excellent state universities that educate more of the population than any of these private schools - blogs.berkeley.edu/2014/10/13/why-elite-private-universities-get-more-per-pupil-government-money/
Because that wont get them a pat on the back
Just have a Harvard dad who donated £1 million+ !
Taeho Kim Thats literally bias.
Well it's an on-going thing for IVY Leagues if you didn't know. Legacy is common for almost all top private US universities.
Taeho Kim Im aware of that but its still bias non the less.
One of my friends said, If he suffered from cancer or other fatel dease he would like make big action in the campus of Harvard University. I don't know he means of the Big action. Can anyone tell me what that means?
Now I have to do acaedmic studies , Music classes, taekwondo and public work to get in Harvard for taking computer science .
Ok, I'm Asian and I can't do what other Asian kids does. I'm unique Asian, I know nothing. I drive no civic vtec or Nissan gtr. The only music I know in my ear was the mosquitoes that tortured me during hot summer nights in my one 10x10 bedroom apartment under constant 90 degrees temperature.
I came to a poor Asian family who constantly eat ramen 24-7-365. Tofu was a bonus and a few sprinkle of free packet of soy sauce in my steam rice is my usual desert. I love fortune cookies. When I applied for college, I based my college acceptance by relying on hope, luck and feng shui.
Make my college story acceptance short, I was not accepted at all in any school I applied. I never lost hope until I opened another fortune cookies that says.... "do what you got to do to better yourself or you eat shit"
I settled for community college. They tortured me there too. My white, BLACK
Latino classmates constantly bombarded me that I was the only Asian
Attending cheap school and questioned why da hell I was there. I hated that constant Asian stereotype that totally untrue.
I left the community college. So, what now?
1995 I saw Trump in one of the tv shows. He said, if you want to fulfill your dream just do it. He also said, America needs plumbers, welders, painter, machinist and the whole 9 yards of blue collar jobs. You can't always be like me. There are other ways.
I went to trade school and learned CNC CAD DESIGN (computer numerical control - computer aided design) The numbers can be considered to be the coordinates of a graph and they control the movement of the cutter.
I love my career, I remember ELON MUSK said, I don't give a shit with your diploma. That ring the bell.
I ended up the best CAD designer, people thinks I was a GENIE AND A GENIUS ASIAN. All of my friends from high school who attended higher education can't even compute nor can differentiate between AC & DC. Remember i said im unique asian? My trait is common sense.
Im now an owner of a company that sell 6 axis CNC machine. Each cnc machine cost between $150, to $220,000. My customers are big industrial companies that specializes in manufacturing. I hate to tell you how much I make because it's irrelevant and meaning less to me. Today, As I sit in a quite room, I always wondered, smile and uttered " I got the last laugh" 😁😁😁 fortune cookies so powerful than the color of a skin. You overcome and avoided the elites and political hacks. It does not discriminate even you eat shit. I still eat shit though, I never forget where I came from ... yes of course from the RAMEN!
I challenge all the evies who thinks they can do what I did and still be successful.
What Asian country are you from?! My family's from Thailand and I grew up eating plants we found in the woods near our little house and fish we caught from the river, and the occasional squirrel or rabbit shot with a pellet gun. Thai people don't go hungry if there's woods nearby. What's funny is people pay restaurants to eat the food we got for free!!
.....and frog legs. A shit load of frog legs.
I’m not understanding why BLACK is the only capitalized group. It’s like you’re saying how dare they harass me. However, I’m wondering how dare we not. All y’all do is come to our communities suck up all our resources, monopolize all the cosmetic industries and leave us high and dry. I hope black people take a page from you guy’s book though.
zzzzzsleeping I'm Asian and I'm gonna be doing the community college, and I'm going to be so afraid of getting discriminated there :(
@@kolokayla4899 keep spirit 👍
The title is misleading....
Lol who doesn’t know this
Many Asian-Americans or Students studying abroad from Asia subconsciously realized this fact ever since college admission became such a buzz. They still didn't complain or protest openly but rather worked harder to achieve their goals...unlike certain groups of people who block students from going to their class because "certain people have privilege over others"
이현서 So clearly you’re trying to get a black people when most likely a white student “took” whoever’s spot
Yes you moon, whites take your spots more, look it up. They take what would be 30 percent more Asians places.
Zero surprising wonders that the admissions process is dehumanizing nowadays. Admissions acceptance to top national universities, both public and private, are indisputably lotteries which automatically means that luck is the main factor in the process since most, if not almost all, applicants have extremely competitive applications regarding of grades, test scores, extracurriculars, etc.
Egg - not more competitive. The objective tests are not hard enough and are made to be accommodating. Actually, the tests are another possible bias against "Asians" because they would even be more over represented in the top 3% in harder tests.
its not a lottery for asians. there is an obvious artificial cap
Shouldn't you disclose that Patricia Hurtado went to Harvard and likely benefited from AA?
Did you watch the whole thing? She straight up said she benefited from AA 3:34
Don’t worry folks. The College Board came up with the “ diversity” score along with the SAT score to come up with the overall score. Does this mean Harvard class of 2025+ will be filled with low income Blacks and Hispanics? Don’t hold your breath.
Why would Asians get affirmative action that makes no sense to me what are you talking about
If I remember right they lose -50 points on sat
I once heard an Asian girl cried “… maybe I’m just still not good enough”
I saw her sacrificing her time in library everyday just to study and work.
She committed suicides when she was rejected by Harvard and found out someone with a 2.9 GPA was accepted.
She realize there’s no hope for her in the system. No matter how she tried because she is just not black or Latinos.
Sucks for her but the answer to your query is in your tale. Ya see, she spent all her time i the library looking to ace every test and get perfect grades but she offered very little else. Colleges want people from all backgrounds as to better reflect the world they are preparing them to lead in.
Filipinos are able to sneak past this with their Hispanic names.
Why can't a Private College admit whoever it wants? Is this a Federal Money issue?
Harvard can reject federal loan guarantee and all grants. Then, it can do whatever the hell it wants. If Harvard accepts these benefits from the government, it cannot discriminate against Asians. What do Asians do wrong to deserve the punishment?
This case will be a landmark judgement for not just Asians but also Jews and whites.
The ironic thing is if they do win the case then they will be subjected to the same stigma that a current black or Asian receives on campus: "you're only here because..." except now it will be "you're only here because of the lawsuit". Progress?
Lol wut?? Where does she get the courage and kindness graded low from the Asian kids??
Dougherty and Stuyvesant are the best schools in SF and NYC and have fully merit based acceptance and are 75% asian and 20% white. If Harvard was similarly merit based it would have similar demographics.
Affirmative action is very helpful to Asians. As long as your English is as broken as possible and are learning English.
Remove the race checkbox from applications across the board. Give everyone an ID number. That way people are accepted on merit not race.
Discrimination based on skin color IS RACIST, plain and simple, no matter what your intentions are. It is sad that we tolerate it today in our society and are becoming progressively more discriminatory... this is not what MLK and the other Civil Rights heroes envisioned, and we are disrespecting their legacy right now.
This problem is unsolvable. Affirmative action is necessary to address disparities, yet it creates new disparities. It doesn't matter. The good life we are all competing for is a sham. I sit by the creek, eat Doritos, and count myself a king of infinite space.
"Affirmative action is necessary to address disparities". Disparities of what? What they're doing to Asian students is truly wrong. They're smart enough to get in, but you'd rather let in more Black/Latino students because of "disparities?" We're all Homo Sapiens. We can interbreed and all of us are "intelligent" beings by virtue of consciousness. A society that truly doesn't see race is a society with many "disparities" along racial lines. Because IQ is 90% genetic for people above a college level education and all cultures are not equal.
theotormon
It can be solved by lowering Jewish numbers and raising non Jewish white numbers. Then discrimination is fairly applied across the board.
Rich91
That may not work because there are so many poor white/hispanic kids outnumbering black kids.
Agree with Bobby Fraze. What disparities? No one alive has ever owned a slave. No one alive participated in Jim Crow.
While we're talking about disparities, how about the Japanese Americans that were put in internment camps during WWII? How come those "wrongs" have not been righted?
Chris Yang, do me a favor and look up the word disparity in a dictionary before you get any more triggered. Then come on down to the creek. The water is fine, and it will do you some good.
We Asians have known this for years. Time for the rest of the country to wake up.
So harves study it is own discrimination?
This is the same country that said they are the greatest.
Is it is the Jewish people to in the 1920s because they said Juice
Discriminatein higher education all the time so they had to discriminate against them
This is comical. A subjective whole person score is massively exploitable, and the NAACP (while I understand their objection) is essentially asking asian students to take the bullet for affirmative action.
Forget about Harvard, Hollywood, Public transit, government jobs, the list goes on. Enough is enough, we as Asian must stand up, against this shit, if we're all paying taxes and working hard we should have equal rights and seniority, this is racists and discrimination shame on you America.
If people will stop looking at the race of the applications most good university will be fulfilled with Asians we need some seats for Arabs blacks Latinos and whites and the facts that Asians say that we are good at school and we should inter no some people are good in school and great at volunteering or what ever outside the school and they deserve a chance not everything is about studying people need to stop acting like thy are not bias to their own race
I don’t think the Ivy League really have bias on Asian American,just check their percentages in campus
What a dumb interpretation of data. The percentage of Asians in Harvard does not matter. It can be 100% as long as they are qualified to be admitted. Who predominates NFL and NBA? Blacks? Any complain?
That’s after discrimination, think about the amount of Asians that would be there if there wasn’t any.
Affirmative Action is descrimination. Do mot deceive yourself. That being said, it should be legal to desctiminate as long as it is a private institution that has no public funding. Just don't give any money to those institutions and let them go broke
When u are too op
*pretends to be shocked*
This is old news
Harvard has a wish to be average.
That is your definition of college. Justify everything with subjective personality test with no evidence whatsoever. NFL and NBA are supposed to prepare you for the life experience and entertainment? Gang personality is as important if not than the physical strength in the real life? Did you complain about too many blacks in NFL and NBA?
more then irish americans allowed
they should watch White Castle harold and kumar
FUCK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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University of Chicano has decided to drop SAT as an admission requirement. Other Ivy League universities are following suit. The argument about SAT score can finally comes to an end when that happens.
As long as SAT is an important admission requirement, there will always be this argument of reversed discrimination. Taking SAT score out of the admission process is a step in the right direction.
bs. just even easier for top schools to discriminate against asians so there's no proof to show that asians are more qualified. next, they can take away gpa as well and just admit based on "personality" hahaha.
The schools will not drop gpa as an requirement. SAT is just a standardized test. People can study, cram and memorize the old tests. The SAT scores reflect mainly on how well you take the test, not much more than that. Asian students can broaden their academic pursuit rather than focusing on being good test takers.
IslandBreeze you can’t just memorize it; its format is the same but you can’t just look at old tests and blindly memorize. Otherwise why wouldn’t everyone get a 2400?
Not every question in SAT is from the old tests. And not everyone can memorize every question. But the excessive preparation for the test definitely results in a better score. But the problem of a high SAT score as a result of excessive preparation only shows the willingness and effort in studying and preparing for a test. It discloses little about the applicant in other areas such as his or her personality, life experience, etc.
In today's world where AI and big data can solve many problems for humans, the ability of endless drilling and preparation for a test is not a valuable asset and definitely should not be a deciding factor in higher education admission.
Who care about t he Harvard
Pls remind some people that they are EUROPEAN-AMERICAN
American implys white. Only white americans are real Americans, before european conquest, our civilization of America would not exist, it would just be forests and mud huts. Nonwhites cannot be real Americans.
its not like the natives asked for it, did they? that makes ur european ancestors slavemakers, liars, thieves, Killers ... and Nothing more!
So What world history is always about conquer, killing, enslavement etc. Just ask the Turks and Mongols, europeans are not the only guilty ones.
true, but the thing is that america never stops destroying other countries for their own Profits, thats why the Terror attacks!
So What thats because jewisu zionists control America.
As an Asian, I think it's okay for a private college to admit whoever they want. even it's not fair. It's their property, I don't need to judge.
It’s wrong when these universities and the general public discriminate against Asians when Asians just do their best, work and study hard and are disciplined. Knocking a group of people just because they disciplined and hardworking is in itself wrong and contemptible. How ironic coming from the hallowed halls of higher learning! The administrators of Harvard should be ashamed of themselves. If they’re not, then they have no place at Harvard.
We’re is the hard evidence as an black-Asian . I don’t see this as racial discrimination. If you say it is point it out. As I really want to discuss this.
...and that is THE issue. Asian Americans excel at grades and test scores but bring very little else to the table. That singular focus and discipline is a drawback at a university that is preparing young people for a very diverse world.
Revenge of the nerds
They are not discriminated against. Harvard is not the only school in the world. Plus the only school I know of that rates you on your intelligence is MIT you have to be super smart to even be considered for MIT. There is no discrimination going on. The back population is small and it is not growing like other groups. If your acting smart you should know these facts.
When you're treated differently because of your race: require higher standardized test score and have admission officers who never even met you rate you as unlikeable (despite the high rating if the alumni who actually interviewed you), THAT.IS.DISCRIMINATION
So as an African American if I said that you are allowed a seat on a bus, but if the bus gets full and someone of another race needs a seat you need to stand up and give up your seat, that would be OK right. There is always the next bus that you can catch if it has some seats empty on it. Its not like you are always disallowed a seat or that this is the only bus in the world. Right.
I cannot condone the the admission process as being fair at the Harvard university, I must say that it must cater to Christian values in their students and and less to Paganism. But My nephew, an Asian American Christian , recently went to Harvard, for masters in public health, being a topper from his state . The result is that he adopted paganism and I am not happy.. .