The dog lead / child reins issue I feel is more dangerous than lift surfing because people are oblivious to the risk and don't think to prevent the risk, due to their lack of awareness. Meanwhile with lift surfing, as for myself and the people I know, we all understand the hazards of lift surfing and make sure we are aware of our surroundings and keep safe. But if you look as some of the things that newspapers have written about me and my friends, they make it sound like we are crazy daredevils.
@@benolifts Yes that's scary. I'm sure lots of dogs have died from this that there's no video of. There was one video where someone put a heavy load in an elevator and the elevator fell (or maybe the brakes just failed) a split second after the person got out. And I've seen some of those gory elevator videos (and an escalator video) from China. But I enjoy your lift surfing videos, too.
I’ve seen a lift near where I live in Australia where you can practically force the landing doors open without a key. What’s confusing is the lifts have a Schindler plaque inside the cab with the capacity and everything, yet in the shaft they have a white box that looks like a router with the Otis logo on it. At least it does engage the safety circuit when you force the doors open.
My guess is that it was either an Otis lift originally or was upgraded by Otis at some point. But then subsequent to that, Schindler did further upgrade work and/or took over the maintenance contract which is why their logo is in there.
@@jfwfreo hm, it’s a very cheap lift. It has a panachrome beam sensor module. It was installed in 2019 and last serviced in 2021 but I honestly can’t tell who owned the lift or took over since when they were first installed it had both the Otis box and the Schindler plaque. I’m getting the Otis box is an IoT router.
On the topic of thin/narrow objects like leads getting trapped in lift doors: The lifts in the building where I live are Dover traction lifts, and I've tried breaking safety on them by pulling open the inner doors while the lift is moving. On one of the lifts, the inner doors can be forced open 4-5 centimeters and still the safety circuit doesn't disconnect and the lift keeps moving, which I find quite dangerous. On the other lift, for some reason the logic tells the door motor to continue "pushing" the doors closed while the lift is moving (you can hear the door motor running while the doors are fully closed and the lift is moving), which seems dangerous to me because it makes it nearly impossible to force the inner doors open to break safety should something like a dog lead be caught between the doors. In almost all of the dog lead clips you showed, it looks like what keeps the dog from getting crushed is the inner doors being forced open by the dog or a human, which breaks safety and stops the lift, and on the lift in my building, this is physically impossible because you're fighting against the door motor. Food for thought.
My Aunt was in an elevator crash, in Toronto, about 20 years ago in a Horn Elevator elevator that was not updated, and was epic to ride!~ The elevator accelerated oddly after a few floors, and kept accelerating until it reached the top, and did actually crash through the barrier at the top of the shaft, slightly, but stayed in place there, at the top of the shaft. A very good group of firemen helped my aunt out very carefully as there was quite a large drop underneath, and a slim opening to come out from. They were quite excellent to ride, and a few years later I moved into a building that still had them downtown in a very rare configuration where there's a button and lights over a stairwell, and the 2 elevators were operated separately, back - to - back - so if one was low and one high, you push the button around the stairwell, with the lights over the stairwell as if an elevator is coming there, and run around the back to catch it.
My work is to deliver mail, sometimes its to the "city house" or the city/town hall. Alot of elevator in there are old with no sliding doors of any kind. Only a regular swing door you have to manually pull/push (no door inside elevator). Sometimes the elevator is stuck because the person inside never realizes that they have to stay clear of the moving walls so the elevator can move. Plenty of warning signs but no brain cells.😅
The crazy thing is that most North American elevators (lifts) don’t have a safety lip. I’ve only seen one with a safety lip and that was on an old 60’s Dover.
I've been in one situation a couple weeks ago where the elevators that I were in got modernized three months before I filmed them and the door operators were retrofitted in, because of that, the door operators weren't strong enough to close the door all the way, somehow it still kept going despite not being closed all the way and once we got to the third floor it stopped like 7 inches below the floor, I pressed the door open button it continued leveling the rest of the way, so I don't understand how they got away with that but it is what it is, sorry for the long comment
I've seen this happen with an old Evans lift which would often stop about 30cm past the landing and slowly creep upwards - but only when it was raining outside! It turned out there was a leak in the roof of the motor-room directly above the brake!
I also think the reason they added light beams inside the doors is so you would know how far to put your hand to trip the sensors because some people dont know where the sensors are
I have been on lifts where the breaks are as useful as a broken down bus and some of those lifts that I have been on are super sketchy to the point where people are like "Nope I don't fancy dying"
There has been lots of incidents resulting in faulty lifts and people getting injured or killed in lifts. Makes you wonder why most lifts aren’t maintained properly.
5:12 I feel bad for that little dog he didnt look that old and he was probably very scared and he was very close to being screwed but luckely someone pressed a call button one floor below and saved his life
You'd think incidents like this would teach people to pay more attention to the animal they're with. You put it on that lead, you're responsible for it. I don't get people who don't look at things and consider what could possibly go wrong in that situation. But that's me.
Well that's their fucking problem then, isn't it. I've learned that lifts freefall upwards and how to spot lifts with fucked brakes so there's less fear now. Depends on how you approach it.
Bumpers are better as once when the elevator opened and I went to get my bag and get into the car the door closed on me it was lucky the sensor detected me
1:54 reminds me of how all the brands I've never heard of that revadge chinese and Turkish made TVs install built in dvd players and everything when the big brands just dont
Some of the lifts at Westfield Stratford are a bit weird if you try and safety break them even if is a relatively good gap in the door it won’t emergency break until it’s properly gapped mean if something was to get caught it’s quite likely the l lift will still connect safety typical gEN2’s
Electricity started in around the late 1870s to 1890s. Not sure if an exact date can be given as it was a gradual rollout starting in the large cities first. Also voltages were all over the place. In Chatham it was 250 volts, which can be seen on the historic equipment in the Dockyard. I estimate that the first electric lifts were around 1889. Before that water powered lifts were used using an upside down hydraulic ram with a balancing weight, connected to the cables, powered from a large pressured water tank in a water tower above the building. The lift was driven by pull the rope mechanism, with no electricity required. Water powered goods lifts, with electric controls were still built for many decades after electricity came, but I don't think any have survived. As for the electric traction lift, loads of these were installed in the years running up to the turn of the centaury (1900) as a posh luxury thing for rich people to celebrate what seemed like the new futurist era of the 1900s (very similar to what happened in the millennium with loads of futuristic designs being produced).
Hi Beno! If the governor cable breaks (due to bad luck) can the lift continue to move normally? Or is there some safety system that prevents the lift from moving in that case? Thank you!
Modern lifts have a governor cable tension switch that disables the lift is the governor cable is not tensioned correctly. Although I have found lifts with this bypassed and the governor cable not tensioned.
5:45 It’s like washing machines, some are designed to take 6 kg upwards but that doesn’t mean to say you could put 6 kg of laundry in it without overloading The motor
it really bothers me that in china the crap lifts have shit doors and uf something is pushing against them the dorr breaks and the object or person is falling in the shaft
Either that or the engineers spilt oil over the car top and didn't clean it up. It is a 60s Otis lift modernized by Asian generic, a very non standard lift in the UK, and the only place that has them that I know off.
You honestly don't like to view the big picture and I don't know why. About the Child Buggy thing, the idea still sounds horrible. First of all, do you expect all Average Joe's to have PhD's in Mechanical Systems or the like? Let's get that clear first. Don't just call everyone dumb, when was it a requirement for everyone to know the science of how every single aspect of what they use and do in a daily life basis. Secondary the idea of still using a child buggy for keeping the doors open still sounds like a bad idea. Talk to a Lift engineer, ask if this sounds "normal" enough to him. He would probably cringe at it still. This isn't just "OH NO, AKSHUALLY THE LIFT HAS 10000 safety modules!! The doors will never close and nobody is harmed", this is about a bit of common thinking too from people. Consider all viewpoints please. You are only commenting because you know the technicals of it, not everyone deserves to be called a "idiot" or "dumb people" for this.
See this demonstration of how door lips prevent accidents
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Fascinating video, Beno!
Not your usual "let's surf the lift" video.
The dog lead / child reins issue I feel is more dangerous than lift surfing because people are oblivious to the risk and don't think to prevent the risk, due to their lack of awareness. Meanwhile with lift surfing, as for myself and the people I know, we all understand the hazards of lift surfing and make sure we are aware of our surroundings and keep safe. But if you look as some of the things that newspapers have written about me and my friends, they make it sound like we are crazy daredevils.
@@benolifts Yes that's scary. I'm sure lots of dogs have died from this that there's no video of. There was one video where someone put a heavy load in an elevator and the elevator fell (or maybe the brakes just failed) a split second after the person got out. And I've seen some of those gory elevator videos (and an escalator video) from China. But I enjoy your lift surfing videos, too.
@@benoliftsI am a perfect example as to what nonsense the news writes about lift surfing!
@@benolifts Myself I don't see lift surfing as different from any other dangerous sport, such as skydiving.
@@benoliftsI just love the Kone elevators!!! I like the Schindler ones
Neutral on tK elevator
ok on Otis
I’ve seen a lift near where I live in Australia where you can practically force the landing doors open without a key. What’s confusing is the lifts have a Schindler plaque inside the cab with the capacity and everything, yet in the shaft they have a white box that looks like a router with the Otis logo on it. At least it does engage the safety circuit when you force the doors open.
My guess is that it was either an Otis lift originally or was upgraded by Otis at some point. But then subsequent to that, Schindler did further upgrade work and/or took over the maintenance contract which is why their logo is in there.
@@jfwfreo hm, it’s a very cheap lift. It has a panachrome beam sensor module. It was installed in 2019 and last serviced in 2021 but I honestly can’t tell who owned the lift or took over since when they were first installed it had both the Otis box and the Schindler plaque. I’m getting the Otis box is an IoT router.
Probably has very cheap Fermator doors, lot's of lifts here in Australia go for those horrid cheap doors @@theodeller
On the topic of thin/narrow objects like leads getting trapped in lift doors:
The lifts in the building where I live are Dover traction lifts, and I've tried breaking safety on them by pulling open the inner doors while the lift is moving. On one of the lifts, the inner doors can be forced open 4-5 centimeters and still the safety circuit doesn't disconnect and the lift keeps moving, which I find quite dangerous.
On the other lift, for some reason the logic tells the door motor to continue "pushing" the doors closed while the lift is moving (you can hear the door motor running while the doors are fully closed and the lift is moving), which seems dangerous to me because it makes it nearly impossible to force the inner doors open to break safety should something like a dog lead be caught between the doors. In almost all of the dog lead clips you showed, it looks like what keeps the dog from getting crushed is the inner doors being forced open by the dog or a human, which breaks safety and stops the lift, and on the lift in my building, this is physically impossible because you're fighting against the door motor. Food for thought.
My Aunt was in an elevator crash, in Toronto, about 20 years ago in a Horn Elevator elevator that was not updated, and was epic to ride!~
The elevator accelerated oddly after a few floors, and kept accelerating until it reached the top, and did actually crash through the barrier at the top of the shaft, slightly, but stayed in place there, at the top of the shaft. A very good group of firemen helped my aunt out very carefully as there was quite a large drop underneath, and a slim opening to come out from.
They were quite excellent to ride, and a few years later I moved into a building that still had them downtown in a very rare configuration where there's a button and lights over a stairwell, and the 2 elevators were operated separately, back - to - back - so if one was low and one high, you push the button around the stairwell, with the lights over the stairwell as if an elevator is coming there, and run around the back to catch it.
My work is to deliver mail, sometimes its to the "city house" or the city/town hall. Alot of elevator in there are old with no sliding doors of any kind. Only a regular swing door you have to manually pull/push (no door inside elevator). Sometimes the elevator is stuck because the person inside never realizes that they have to stay clear of the moving walls so the elevator can move. Plenty of warning signs but no brain cells.😅
The crazy thing is that most North American elevators (lifts) don’t have a safety lip. I’ve only seen one with a safety lip and that was on an old 60’s Dover.
interesting, the only one I've seen with a safety lip was a modern kone lift installed in the past 3 years. (I live in connecticut)
I've been in one situation a couple weeks ago where the elevators that I were in got modernized three months before I filmed them and the door operators were retrofitted in, because of that, the door operators weren't strong enough to close the door all the way, somehow it still kept going despite not being closed all the way and once we got to the third floor it stopped like 7 inches below the floor, I pressed the door open button it continued leveling the rest of the way, so I don't understand how they got away with that but it is what it is, sorry for the long comment
Beno, it would be a nice format if you comment videos about dangerous elevators or strange situations regarding elevators. Really good video.
7:29 I actually like how you said that too it was actually really funny but the backround about that brings the funnieness down
I've seen this happen with an old Evans lift which would often stop about 30cm past the landing and slowly creep upwards - but only when it was raining outside!
It turned out there was a leak in the roof of the motor-room directly above the brake!
I also think the reason they added light beams inside the doors is so you would know how far to put your hand to trip the sensors because some people dont know where the sensors are
I have been on lifts where the breaks are as useful as a broken down bus and some of those lifts that I have been on are super sketchy to the point where people are like "Nope I don't fancy dying"
Always love Beno's videos!
There has been lots of incidents resulting in faulty lifts and people getting injured or killed in lifts. Makes you wonder why most lifts aren’t maintained properly.
Excellent video , thanks for sharing that with people . I'll share it in a public playlist to educate people.
5:12 I feel bad for that little dog he didnt look that old and he was probably very scared and he was very close to being screwed but luckely someone pressed a call button one floor below and saved his life
You'd think incidents like this would teach people to pay more attention to the animal they're with.
You put it on that lead, you're responsible for it.
I don't get people who don't look at things and consider what could possibly go wrong in that situation.
But that's me.
I'm sure this video is going to give some people a new fear of elevators.
Well that's their fucking problem then, isn't it.
I've learned that lifts freefall upwards and how to spot lifts with fucked brakes so there's less fear now.
Depends on how you approach it.
Bumpers are better as once when the elevator opened and I went to get my bag and get into the car the door closed on me it was lucky the sensor detected me
The wedges on the emergency brakes can weld themselves to the rails and make a right mess!
10:40 - destroyed the Otis elevator POV
1:54 reminds me of how all the brands I've never heard of that revadge chinese and Turkish made TVs install built in dvd players and everything when the big brands just dont
My late Grandad had a dumbwaiter 🙂
Interesting video, it's quite an achievement how long this channel has been going.
Some of the lifts at Westfield Stratford are a bit weird if you try and safety break them even if is a relatively good gap in the door it won’t emergency break until it’s properly gapped mean if something was to get caught it’s quite likely the l lift will still connect safety typical gEN2’s
I didn't know the electric lift came in in 1889 😮 Interesting!
Electricity started in around the late 1870s to 1890s. Not sure if an exact date can be given as it was a gradual rollout starting in the large cities first. Also voltages were all over the place. In Chatham it was 250 volts, which can be seen on the historic equipment in the Dockyard. I estimate that the first electric lifts were around 1889. Before that water powered lifts were used using an upside down hydraulic ram with a balancing weight, connected to the cables, powered from a large pressured water tank in a water tower above the building. The lift was driven by pull the rope mechanism, with no electricity required. Water powered goods lifts, with electric controls were still built for many decades after electricity came, but I don't think any have survived. As for the electric traction lift, loads of these were installed in the years running up to the turn of the centaury (1900) as a posh luxury thing for rich people to celebrate what seemed like the new futurist era of the 1900s (very similar to what happened in the millennium with loads of futuristic designs being produced).
@@benolifts Cool 🙂
Hi Beno! If the governor cable breaks (due to bad luck) can the lift continue to move normally? Or is there some safety system that prevents the lift from moving in that case? Thank you!
Modern lifts have a governor cable tension switch that disables the lift is the governor cable is not tensioned correctly. Although I have found lifts with this bypassed and the governor cable not tensioned.
@@benolifts Very interesting! 👍
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ah the gate nice to see youve been in newcastle
Thank you for the free adrenaline 😮
5:45 It’s like washing machines, some are designed to take 6 kg upwards but that doesn’t mean to say you could put 6 kg of laundry in it without overloading The motor
10:41 holy cow when that finally fell down it probably didnt survive smashing into the bottom the cab doesnt look to have a proper chassis on it
it really bothers me that in china the crap lifts have shit doors and uf something is pushing against them the dorr breaks and the object or person is falling in the shaft
im sry if someone was thinking that i dint mean it too@@liftsurfer52
will you ever finish skyscrapersim building creator v2? also surf the lifts
Final Destination 5 : The Helevator
Excellent video
some idiot at 0:33: wow, i never knew elevators could go this fast! this is so coo... wait... i didn't push the button for 73...
Hey Austin this is guys
Please stop
Not sure if this counts as an accident but in my nans nursing home there was a MP lift that could run with the shaft doors open
Theres still no bi-directional governors in Turkey
Our apartment has a generic w bi-directional governor btw
With the last lift, any possibility that the lift motor had a reduction gear box and that was leaking oil down the ropes?
Either that or the engineers spilt oil over the car top and didn't clean it up. It is a 60s Otis lift modernized by Asian generic, a very non standard lift in the UK, and the only place that has them that I know off.
What are door lips even? Or did i hear that incorrectly because I can’t find anything about them and what they look like so I can be careful.
The CGTN part 3:44
So apparently one time someone broke the lift at my college by jumping in it, what happened here?
it feels so wrong watching a lift plummet because of a stick
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15:35 wouldn’t that eventually burn the motor out?
An AC motor on a VF drive has no issue running under load. Although it could wear out the brake if it was constantly doing this all the time.
8:31 wait was that kid trying to get a cow onto the elevator/lift what the ****
@@liftsurfer52 exactly
danger danger!!! 🛑🚫 (the digi lift logic in that one video should be renamed to dogi lift [dodgy lift])
Hmm
I feel second hand fustration for a lot of experiences you talk about!!!
🤣 6:30
Sent me link of video at 15:51 please :)
ua-cam.com/video/K7GHNpZlK7A/v-deo.html
Nom nom nom
Good Job Just Good Job Great video awesome.
1:24 this isn’t just a problem with politicians, this is also a problem with majority of the public… in the entire earth
You honestly don't like to view the big picture and I don't know why. About the Child Buggy thing, the idea still sounds horrible. First of all, do you expect all Average Joe's to have PhD's in Mechanical Systems or the like? Let's get that clear first. Don't just call everyone dumb, when was it a requirement for everyone to know the science of how every single aspect of what they use and do in a daily life basis. Secondary the idea of still using a child buggy for keeping the doors open still sounds like a bad idea. Talk to a Lift engineer, ask if this sounds "normal" enough to him. He would probably cringe at it still. This isn't just "OH NO, AKSHUALLY THE LIFT HAS 10000 safety modules!! The doors will never close and nobody is harmed", this is about a bit of common thinking too from people. Consider all viewpoints please. You are only commenting because you know the technicals of it, not everyone deserves to be called a "idiot" or "dumb people" for this.
Surfy
Very surfy
@@benolifts Veeeeeeeeeeeeeery surfy
@@minetest234Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrryyyy surfy
Very very veeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyy surfy.
Fifth
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will you finish skyscrapersim building creator v2?
Nah bruv that is a very old project by him
@@hariranormal5584 its not cancelled yk, it was never stated by him he would cancel that new version of BBC that he was working on
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