Yaay! RedStagg is back with a tier list!~ Letting you know, that this wont change my starting build, and why should it? When you rated my starter build S tier urself :D
I started and mainly play my druid summoner. It is probably the top easiest class to level up and farm pre-hell Still wearing aldur's set since a week ago My mercenary act5 used to wear full IK set but i found out that act1 with wrath bow is much better with the constant amplify damage curse
Interesting, I heard that wrath is the BiS, with vigor merc it's sexy. Wouldn't a beast on you be a great upgrade with fanat for your adds too? None the less, summoner is a great, safe choice for farming, there's definitely just faster builds!
I want to play poisin/plague java but this list makes me think I should start with frozen arrow. I love that build too lol so I'm glad either way. spent most of my time the last two seasons with a summon druid (I only really play 1-2 charactgers to about 90 and then I'm done for the season, I don't quite go as hard as some folks) and I may end up spending a lot of time with amazon this season. Thanks so much for the list.
You are welcome John! Yes well the voice of reason runeword makes cold arrow so good, and its buffs to single target damage it's really strong, so definitely sounds like a plan!
Thanks for the testing. Interesting how youtubers differ in their perception of some of the builds (e.g. Frrost Nova). I'd probably do a necro for start this time (CE, yay).
Agreed - after seeing theirs I was rather underwhelmed when I tried it myself. I guess some of this can be constrewed with how we felt about it too... partially subjective partially from testing. Tried to keep as even as possible. Forb etc is just much safer than nova and you lack single target dmg is why its placed there.
My starter isnt here - If I do end up playing :D Good list regardless, Although those lists are really hard to make as you could make an early ladder build jump a whole tier if you just kept farming the same area over and over. Like if you just teleport to bosses with a sorc, Hyda easily jumps to S tier along with meteor. But if you want to clear the way through, I feel like those are good tier to be in as you put them already. (just 1 exemple among many)
Very good explaination , Do you have got also the guides for the builds that you represent ?? ( maybe from A to S rank ) . Also , they all can do all the games in solo ? I love to have a character that can do everythink in solo ( like the necro summoner with physical and magical skeletrons ) thanks for everythink , I joined your discord also sanyways
Hey mate, I don't have guides for them all actually, certainly could if it was of interest! Yes they can do everything solo, every character can with the right gear! Great man, then speak there :)
Hey mate, welcome to the best version of D2 you will play. :-) How you enjoying it so far? Nothing in particular you "should" know. As long as you are familiar with maps, what they are, the key changes to ubers and clone etc you are fine. Main thing is pick a class you like and enjoy the process!
Honestly cant believe it's as active as it is. It's been great. The community is great. Ripped on HC once rerolled Paladin foh build now I'm back lvl 51 and it's going well. When do you transition to mapping?
You know what's insane? I JUST remembered the Season 2 Tier List and went to UA-cam to check if there is one out for S3 already and was about to type "pd2 s2 tier list" when youtube recommended this to me and it was uploaded 3 hours ago !!!! WTFFF
You're welcome Cryptonaire... I think I am not very technically good at the WC barb, and wasn't blown away with it.... It's definitely one of the debatable ones but no way near outperforms the S tier builds. :D
Also now that I have actually watched the whole video haha. I'll be starting with an enchantress for fun and also will have melee friends to help. Will probably switch that to blizz or ice barrage for hell farming. Also probably will start a javazon second who will hopefully be my uber killer once I get the right gear!
Thanks for sharing this. I'm planning to start as blizz and token later once enough currency. What will be the best late sorc build this season? Lightning sorc?
This is a starter build tier list, late game throw barb is very strong, but until you have a few basic items it's a struggle... Same with phys Bowazon.
Very cool video, imo tho it's not necessary to leave the list on screen the entire video, really hard to see the tiny screen of gameplay in the corner.
ww is not a "starter". starters are characters to get you going, do some mf runs until u find some mandatory uniques/sets for your actual build. if u find an eth gavel of pain you can probably start mapping with a leap barb
Max foh and synergies, rest in holy shield and whatever aura you use most. Builds are pretty straight forward in pd2, it's the gearing that's sometimes tricky.
For me yes, if you go to B tier discussion you'll hear why... It was ok, but fire druid was significantly better that they had to be separate Tiers and I could only put fire druid to A so it had to be B. I knew this would be a controversial one. Ultimately though, play what you prefer and find most fun!
Hi Moon - yes assassin got some heavy nerfs. It was literally insane last season, this season it's a bit more niche with MA sin coming out as one of the more popular builds. Traps are a little dead in the water. It's ashame, cant even sell assa torch for gul. :D We will likely see them getting revived a little next season, because I agree, it sucks...
Did you hear my discussion as why? Fire druid was clearly > wind druid, it had to be separate tiers... with Fire druid in A the highest I could put it in was B. Also Meteor outperformed Wind too at cows and A85 farming speed.... I knew that might be a controversial one with windy, but it's how it really felt for me.
@@ImMalevolent Hmm fair enough, it perhaps could be bumped up a tier, it just felt so underwhelming compared to the fire druid tested before it wouldn't have been fair to keep them together, but maybe the fact that was the main comparison makes it unfair. Appreciate your input, definitely some degree of wiggle with some of the placements.
I'm curious what FCR breakpoint you were testing them on? Sorry if I missed it. I tested both budget builds at the 99 breakpoint in similar areas and Wind seemed to perform slightly better / faster. It also just felt better, but that's likely my bias speaking. Anyway, thanks for the great content!
This tier list is crap tbh. All of the other youtubers say to not use meteor at any costs coz its bad as hell now. And You put it in "A" tier... Hydra is like no brainer easy to play skill and You put it on "B" tier... Lightning nova + lightning storm is very viable now and You put it in "C" tier...
Sheeniq, you can watch the vods if you like... lightning sucks early. Ofc it will be great late game, but this is a starter build. Lightning isnt built for early game. Meteor > hydra, And nerfs to hydra, in comparison to its other fire builds is definitely slower. Appreciate your input though, it's always up for discussion this was how i felt with my testing.
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I might even start playing diablo after watching this video!
Just don’t forget to dl the project d2 client
Yaay! RedStagg is back with a tier list!~
Letting you know, that this wont change my starting build, and why should it? When you rated my starter build S tier urself :D
Came here to comment the same haha.
Hahaha so good!
In s1 and s2 i always went for CE but now im happy about the changes its where it should've been in tier list
I started and mainly play my druid summoner. It is probably the top easiest class to level up and farm pre-hell
Still wearing aldur's set since a week ago
My mercenary act5 used to wear full IK set but i found out that act1 with wrath bow is much better with the constant amplify damage curse
Interesting, I heard that wrath is the BiS, with vigor merc it's sexy. Wouldn't a beast on you be a great upgrade with fanat for your adds too? None the less, summoner is a great, safe choice for farming, there's definitely just faster builds!
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I want to play poisin/plague java but this list makes me think I should start with frozen arrow. I love that build too lol so I'm glad either way. spent most of my time the last two seasons with a summon druid (I only really play 1-2 charactgers to about 90 and then I'm done for the season, I don't quite go as hard as some folks) and I may end up spending a lot of time with amazon this season. Thanks so much for the list.
You are welcome John! Yes well the voice of reason runeword makes cold arrow so good, and its buffs to single target damage it's really strong, so definitely sounds like a plan!
Thanks for the testing. Interesting how youtubers differ in their perception of some of the builds (e.g. Frrost Nova). I'd probably do a necro for start this time (CE, yay).
Agreed - after seeing theirs I was rather underwhelmed when I tried it myself. I guess some of this can be constrewed with how we felt about it too... partially subjective partially from testing. Tried to keep as even as possible. Forb etc is just much safer than nova and you lack single target dmg is why its placed there.
Love the "travinsal" part :-)
My starter isnt here - If I do end up playing :D
Good list regardless, Although those lists are really hard to make as you could make an early ladder build jump a whole tier if you just kept farming the same area over and over.
Like if you just teleport to bosses with a sorc, Hyda easily jumps to S tier along with meteor.
But if you want to clear the way through, I feel like those are good tier to be in as you put them already.
(just 1 exemple among many)
will you play this ladder? there is so much balance now and build options this season
Thanks for the test.
You are welcome Augusto!
Very good explaination ,
Do you have got also the guides for the builds that you represent ?? ( maybe from A to S rank ) .
Also , they all can do all the games in solo ? I love to have a character that can do everythink in solo ( like the necro summoner with physical and magical skeletrons )
thanks for everythink , I joined your discord also sanyways
Hey mate, I don't have guides for them all actually, certainly could if it was of interest! Yes they can do everything solo, every character can with the right gear! Great man, then speak there :)
I just started PD2 for something to do til d2r.. Anything I should know ?
Hey mate, welcome to the best version of D2 you will play. :-) How you enjoying it so far? Nothing in particular you "should" know. As long as you are familiar with maps, what they are, the key changes to ubers and clone etc you are fine. Main thing is pick a class you like and enjoy the process!
Honestly cant believe it's as active as it is. It's been great. The community is great. Ripped on HC once rerolled Paladin foh build now I'm back lvl 51 and it's going well. When do you transition to mapping?
You know what's insane? I JUST remembered the Season 2 Tier List and went to UA-cam to check if there is one out for S3 already and was about to type "pd2 s2 tier list" when youtube recommended this to me and it was uploaded 3 hours ago !!!! WTFFF
Hahaha, the algorithm knows you better than you think! ;-)
I rate double throw and lightstrike javazon ++S By testing all the builds in single player using plugy and s3 updated item pack.
Thank you for the video. Warcry is op honestly
You're welcome Cryptonaire... I think I am not very technically good at the WC barb, and wasn't blown away with it.... It's definitely one of the debatable ones but no way near outperforms the S tier builds. :D
Also now that I have actually watched the whole video haha. I'll be starting with an enchantress for fun and also will have melee friends to help. Will probably switch that to blizz or ice barrage for hell farming. Also probably will start a javazon second who will hopefully be my uber killer once I get the right gear!
Sounds like a plan! Hope to do something similar I think. :D
I’ve played paladin many times but never the piladin he keeps mentioning
Haha damn you got me.
Is poison javazon garbage?
Thanks for this Video mate, very usefull content 👌 is corpse necro able to run chaos quick? And how about Single target with corpse?
Thanks for sharing this. I'm planning to start as blizz and token later once enough currency. What will be the best late sorc build this season? Lightning sorc?
Top video dude !
Cool test!!!!
Just picked up PD2. Trying to run a werebear build. Not on the list... starts sweating
저번시즌도 도움받았는데 꿀정보 감사합니다. ㅎ
same bro same
First! As always love the content, good to see a new video!
Thanks dude - appreciate it! :D
This video prove that i should not start as a zealer paladin although I'm still not sure.
what about fury druid?
I cannot believe you've put Throwbarb in C tier.
This is a starter build tier list, late game throw barb is very strong, but until you have a few basic items it's a struggle... Same with phys Bowazon.
I tried Fire druid, but I die a lot, alost so much gold
how is lightning trap c tier. it has the highest base damage you can reach with literally zero investment.
Where is holy bolt?
Do you see doom as a good one hand or two hand option for a cold sorc?
Doom will never compare to deaths fathom. Plus staff runewords just make you a squishy pleb imo
Very cool video, imo tho it's not necessary to leave the list on screen the entire video, really hard to see the tiny screen of gameplay in the corner.
The way you say paladin is too much for me to handle lol pal ahdin lolol
But stagg, where’s my build? Pog
No whirlwind barb on the list?
Hi, nice list. I’m wondering where is WW in the lists ? Did they forgot to buff it ?
ww is not a "starter". starters are characters to get you going, do some mf runs until u find some mandatory uniques/sets for your actual build. if u find an eth gavel of pain you can probably start mapping with a leap barb
what is skill tree for fist of heavens?
Max foh and synergies, rest in holy shield and whatever aura you use most.
Builds are pretty straight forward in pd2, it's the gearing that's sometimes tricky.
kinda weird everyone else rate cold druid s/s+
Most rate builds in more developed state, and in cows map. Here he rates starting builds in hell cows.
Is the psn nova in such bad shape that its not even on your list? :D
What happend to ww bab? No good anymore? So bad didn't make the list? This saddens me
No love for zealer bro?:(
wind druid really only B tier?
For me yes, if you go to B tier discussion you'll hear why... It was ok, but fire druid was significantly better that they had to be separate Tiers and I could only put fire druid to A so it had to be B. I knew this would be a controversial one. Ultimately though, play what you prefer and find most fun!
I am sorry but I strongly disagree with your list.
Combustin isnt even in there which is still a supreme skill
It’s listed as A-tier 7:45
Assassin is probably the worst class to play in pd2 -.-. After 1 month i do not even much assassin players in hell or maps anymore
Hi Moon - yes assassin got some heavy nerfs. It was literally insane last season, this season it's a bit more niche with MA sin coming out as one of the more popular builds. Traps are a little dead in the water. It's ashame, cant even sell assa torch for gul. :D We will likely see them getting revived a little next season, because I agree, it sucks...
Mate.. really don't appreciate the message coming through in the audio at 8:07
its not puh-la-din, its pal-uh-din
lmao like trav-in-sil
instead of trav-in-call
This guy has meteor in A and wind Druid in b so I know this list is bogged
Did you hear my discussion as why? Fire druid was clearly > wind druid, it had to be separate tiers... with Fire druid in A the highest I could put it in was B. Also Meteor outperformed Wind too at cows and A85 farming speed.... I knew that might be a controversial one with windy, but it's how it really felt for me.
@@RedStaggGaming wind Druid is performing exceptionally well lmao
@@RedStaggGaming wind Druid outperformed over half of a tier, and you have multiple
Specs in the same tiers btw
@@ImMalevolent Hmm fair enough, it perhaps could be bumped up a tier, it just felt so underwhelming compared to the fire druid tested before it wouldn't have been fair to keep them together, but maybe the fact that was the main comparison makes it unfair. Appreciate your input, definitely some degree of wiggle with some of the placements.
I'm curious what FCR breakpoint you were testing them on? Sorry if I missed it. I tested both budget builds at the 99 breakpoint in similar areas and Wind seemed to perform slightly better / faster. It also just felt better, but that's likely my bias speaking. Anyway, thanks for the great content!
This tier list is crap tbh.
All of the other youtubers say to not use meteor at any costs coz its bad as hell now. And You put it in "A" tier...
Hydra is like no brainer easy to play skill and You put it on "B" tier...
Lightning nova + lightning storm is very viable now and You put it in "C" tier...
Sheeniq, you can watch the vods if you like... lightning sucks early. Ofc it will be great late game, but this is a starter build. Lightning isnt built for early game. Meteor > hydra, And nerfs to hydra, in comparison to its other fire builds is definitely slower.
Appreciate your input though, it's always up for discussion this was how i felt with my testing.