My experience as Indian ( punjabi ) is that I might have faced about 50-60% of what my friends faced ( not sure why but lets leave that). They ways to improve chances for jobs that worked as 1st generation immigrant with no relatives: 1. Norewegian language skills which sometimes I mention it in my summary (indirectly) 2. Have norwegian references. 3. I had a global NGO ( Data Science ) experience where members were from Europe and USA 4. Projects that do not show you skills but are in norwegian context. e.g. Instead of showing my ranks and scores in top 99 percentile I showed a simple project of fish swarm detection. Also if you have to upload a profile pic I would suggest having a norwegian background like Bryggen or some known landmarks. Tldr . Save some money and get referral from a Norwegian or someone who can vouch for you at senior position. This is hard but works quite well as I have seen with my friend circle.
Thank you so much for making our video so much better through your story and advice. I think many who watch this video will find your comment very useful. We certainly do. God jul from Mads and Ronald
I'm an expad living in norway and I had some trouble finding a job but got lucky and I am from western europe so I was sort of privilaged. I can verify that my colleagues and bosses were all very sceptical to hire a man from Iran the last time we were hiring and in the end he wasn't hired cause he was "too qualified" just to not let it show that they didn't want to risk the cultural differences. It's sad in my opinion to not let qualified people in due to fear and prejudice but go with people who have a familiar name and might not be qualified at all.
@@YOURWAY2NORWAY du er klar over at det er flere og flere ungdommer med riktig navn som havner utenfor arbeidslivet og som ikke får hjelp i det hele tatt. Mens politikere og andre maser om at det er forlate arbeidskraft i Norge! Lag ein video om det, nei det gjør du aldrig fordi det er ikke like populært til og med diskriminerende ovenfor invandrere ikke sant?! Du er ein uærlig liten råtte!
The problem ends when employers realize most people aren't relatives to politicians of any country in the world, and so this means we are all different. Just being from and living in X country don't make us do evil things this country may do. It is pretty obvious that employers may look at people through lens of bureaucracy and treat them as if all lead the country and decide what it does, when in reality it's not so for the most part. Government, even a lot of times, culture, and people are two different entities.
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Having the problem and the level on which you have the problem is a different IMHO.
It is not a problem, and it is not a shame. In the US the Indian hiring managers in software engineering hire only other Indians. In effects they eliminated all the Americans from the software engineering job market. So if the Indians do that in the US, what makes you think they would not do it in Netherlands or in Norway? Do you think in India they would hire any of us before hiring one of their own caste?
@YOURWAY2NORWAY from my point of view its not sad. I'm happy. Of course I still have some friends there who I miss and think about them. But its not the end of the world. I can visit them sometime and we send some pictures or short videos sms et cetera.
@@mirka tak przez te 20 lat mieszkalem troche w N a troche w PL Tak ze mialem kontakt z jednym i drugim krajem. Za kazdym razem jak przyjezdzalem do Polski widzialem cos nowego w Norwegii też. Raz bylo to na plus a raz na minus. Ale ostatnio w N raczej tylko na minus.
I'm a muslim man from Egypt living in Norway, and sadly I've experienced this more times than I can remember. It's really sad to see how we, as humans, dehumanize each other all the time. I really appreciate your videos, you really describe living in Norway from an insider perspective that's more realistic and true compared to other creators on UA-cam. But more importantly, you also opened my eyes to the dark sides of Norway as a state by talking about the Sami. Appreciate the hard work 🙌
This is sooooo effing true, I'm a UK expat in Norway and racism is rife across the board, I can only imagine for how it is with people from further afar...... Someone I know born and brought up in Norway, 100% Norwegian mother but a father from the Baltics... Same for him, with his father's surname, never got a job, all applications dead ended, so he took his wife's surname and got a job immediately... Edited to add my wife knows several of your lowest tier people 2nd / 3rd generation, Doctors, that have changed their names to a Norwegian name to get a job, then once established, change their name back again...
Nice to see that someone is not afraid to talk about the reality, not some PC bullshit. In order to change first you need to face the reality. It's definetely not a Norwegian problem.
Many Sami people, like me have a Norwegian sounding name. But I would not mention my background. If it was not related to the job. Love your engagement :)
I’m second generation Norwegian American. I spent a lot of time in Norway back in the 80’s. The things that you talk about here are nothing new. These issues exist in certain ares of the US too., but not in the big cities. Ethnocentrism is basic to almost all cultures. Their going to agree with you on this over there unless you disrupt to tourist industry. I’m amused by your videos. Unfortunately I can’t share them with my relatives over there.
I would imagine it's the same way in my home state of North Dakota, a bit isolated and out of touch. Of course, anyone from the Dakotas or Minnesota would likely disagree with me, but going back for summer vacations (I now live in California, and lived in New Mexico for a long time as well), northerners take a while to warm up to strangers.
I don't know how people in the USA feel towards North Dakota. The point is, however, that in a European context, Norway and other Nordic countries have managed to advertise themselves as open minded, inclusive, and forward looking, while they are often they are more closed minded than many other European countries with a 'worse' reputation.
Always l laugh, I cry, I space each half matpakke whenever watching your old and new videos. Love you both Ron and Mads! May you bask in the beautiful lights this holiday season!
Your advice is absolute gold Ronald. We moved to Norway one year ago, and my wife constantly seeks a job. She may have applied for hundreds of engineering positions. Finally, she managed to have two face-to-face interviews last month and went well. They said that they would call her, but we are still waiting, and there is no callback. But we have still hope for 2025. God Jul. :)
So pleased to see you. You had disappeared off my radar, although I have been a subscriber for a long time.
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Good that my parents gave me a nordic first name as a German xD EDIT: I like that you are open about discrimination, this is something that Finns have really have trouble admitting.
In my experience all Scandinavians have huge trouble admitting it which is why this channel is such a breath of fresh air!
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@@themeltedchocolate Might be I only lived in Finland so far. For Finland the problem is related to the blind trust in authorities. Also I noticed people don't like to talk about politics as openly as elsewhere.
Yup that's how it works over there. People don't talk about a lot of things as to appear tolerant etc but their actions such as the ones described in the video show their discrimination more than their words do
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@@themeltedchocolate Well they do talk abut blame something else instead, like it's your fault that you are so loud.
My grandfather came to uth USA from Norway about1900 and settled in northern Minnesota. 124 years later my relatives in Minnesota are very much like Norwegians of today. They want change but not so they can see the change.
Jeg har bodd i Norge siden 2013, jeg kommer fra Polen og snakker og skriver norsk. I begynnelsen var det ikke lett, for markedet var i krise, og det var ikke arbeid for sveisere. Jeg sendte mange jobbsøknader, og da jeg endret polsk til norsk i CV-en min, fikk jeg faktisk svar fra bedriftene. Det var litt absurd, men jo før man innser det, jo bedre er det. For sånn er verden, det er ikke rettferdig. Barna mine er født her, og de har "riktige" navn. Det er mye å skrive om... Jeg elsker dette landet, det er fullt av absurditeter, men hvilket sted i verden er ikke det?
I have to admit. I've been SUPER LUCKY with jobs in my life. Even at 67, I have a full-time job. I have to say that I am 1/4 Norwegian and 3/4 Irish. I am super white with a shocking tuft of white Norwegian hair! I have an MA from a very good school and I've worked for some very powerful firms. I interview well. I have been very lucky.
Popatrzmy na to z odwrotnej strony. Zależy kogo szukamy i na jakie stanowisko. Ale np. jako właściciel restauracji na stanowisko kucharza szukalbym kogos z Meksyku lub z Tajlandii. Bez wzgledu na to czy był by to mezczyzna czy kobieta wiem że mialbym najwieksze szanse znalezc kogos odpowiedniego. W drugiej kolejnosci byli by Grecy I inni z poludniowej Europy. Norwegowie i Anglicy. Byliby na ostatnim miejscu. Nie bez powodu trudno znalezc norweska i angielską restaurację. Nawet w Norwegi i Anglii.
I suppose it is common sense that an English or Norwegian person lacks a discerning palate and therefore can not be trained in the culinary arts. As a Mexican who does not cook. I'm grateful for the job security since Norwegians know nothing about good food. That's just common sense.
All I care about is qualifications. In the US Noone cares about name but once you get the job, you only get up the hierarchy based on your boss' background.
Unfortunately, this isn't true about the US. They have done numerous studies about names and job interviews. Those with names that appeared to be minority people were often discarded, even with the same or better qualifications. We do have problems with this.
When I was in my 20's I applied for hundreds of jobs, I got to interview in just one for jobs in shops, and I applied for jobs in schools and kindergarten and it was not unusual to be one of 130 people that applied for the same job. I once got to an interview in a kindergarten, I was one of 4 that got to the interview. When I was going in to the interview there was this kid standing outside the door and he asked me who I was and what I was going to do there. I stopped and answered him that I was going to speak with the boss in the kindergarten and maybe begin to work there if they liked me. He was pleased with my answer and ran away. I had not noticed that the window in the room that the interview was going to be was open and that the people that was going to interview me actually heard my conversation with this kid. I was asked a lot of questions and one of them was if I knew everything about kids, and my answer took them by surprise as I said "No, the day I think I know everything about kids I will have to stop working with kids". I actually got the job based on the conversation with the kid outside and the answer about not knowing everything about kids. The other persons that had been there already had said that they off course knew everything about kids and they had not stopped to speak with any of the kids outside either, as this kid I had a conversation with was a curious little kid and had been there when the three other people had been there too and had asked them the same questions but they had not stoped, probably as they were nervous, whitch I for some reason was not. I worked there for the year the job was as it was a temporary job for a woman that had a baby and took her year of maternity leave. I had actually worked with her sibling in another kindergarden. I liked the job. I have a name that is very Norwegian, but I got the job because of qualifications not my name or looks. In all the kindergardens and scools I have worked there have been several persons with foreign background, only one of them was a problem to work with because they said yes to everything, and it was not always good for the kids. I was the one that spoke a lot with the foreign persons and got to know them well and became friends with them, I thought it was very interesting to hear about their country and learn how to make food from their country. I don't understand why people are so afraid of speaking with them. I actually had a fun time teasing them (in a friendly way) about some words they pronounced wrong and got a very different meaning, one of them became a naughty word instead of the good word and I had to tell the person and they thanked me for telling them and was also a little frustrated that no one else had told them. You can tease people from other countries to as long as it's just in a nice way. When they laugh and ask you to say it right and they clearly say it wrong and almost pee themselves from laughing it's just fun, not discrimination. You should off course know their sense of humour before teasing anyone, it's a difference between friendly teasing and bullying. We actually had a lot of fun about skin color as well, they had a lighter brown skin and mine is light pink, and they teased me for wanting to get a tan when they put on a long sleeve shirt and tried to stay away from the sun to not get a tan, we had a lot of fun, we off course also watched the kids always and could run a way mid sentence to help a kid, it's what you have to do. We always stood so we could see in opposite directions so we could keep an eye on all the kids. I really liked working as a kindergarten teacher, but unfortunately had to stop working due to health issues, I really miss all the fun and the kids that always was happy to see you, and I was happy to see them too and not two days were the same even though the routine was always the same. I think the people that hire people should take in more people to an interview and pick them from qualifications not their name or anything else, the only thing that they would had to have as an absolute demand is that they actually understand the language well enough to speak and that they can understand what you tell them. It doesn't matter if they don't speak fluently, but they will need to not get offended if they get correction of their pronunciation, like my earlier colleagues that had a fun time but also learned how to speak Norwegian fluently after a while. I always asked the foreign people to learn me how to pronounce their name correctly, they tried to do the same with mine but it was impossible for them so it had to be somewhere in between😊
British expat with a Norwegian name here (thanks to marriage). Definitely hasn't given me any advantages (yet?). The main issue is the language barrier (most employers want B2 level) and also the fact that most jobs aren't even advertised - and those that are probably already have a hire in mind. Building a network here is so important, but that also has its challenges! NAV and employment agencies are also comparatively useless here - or maybe that's again due to the language barriers and general discrimination against expats.
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I honestly never felt welcomed by any Norwegian colleagues...I always get along with other countries from the rest of the world....except people from Poland 😅
That’s all right, I’m Swedish anyway. DNA a little over 1/3 Swedish. I’m only about 7% +/- Norwegian. I have quite a bit of German….. but apparently my German ancestors are actually Swiss. Because most of them are from the area near Switzerla. And then I have just a peppering of a few other nationalities. My mother is a Swiss German side … and where the Italian Alps come in and a few other nationalities in that area. My dad side has less variety. Finland, Swedish and Norwegian… there is also an English component no idea how that happened.
What seems to my "untrained" eye to be the case is that many, many countries in the world are very willing to open their employment doors to people from virtually any country as long as the potential job applicant can speak the employer's language reasonably well.(or at least is willing to humbly apologize for any occasional lapses in that department), and as long as the applicant is skilled, kindly and willing to take care of elderly, and or chronically ill people for long hours at low pay... 19 hours/day, seven days a week. You also might be able to find a position caring for very badly behaved children, as long as you don't expect to have any days off --- ever. And as long as you're completely okay with "free meals" that involve the consumption of pounds and pounds of peanut butter and/or sugary cereals at the same table and time as Junior dines.Oh... and it helps if you're able to teach the little darlings French and Algebra as well. Easily worth another fifty cents per day!
in canada, teachers used to just assign english names or suggest english sounding nick names if your name was foreign and hard to pronounce, even 10 years ago, though i imagine this is much less common now! i know many people that have kept these names and use them with friends/family/coworkers, very common here even if it's not their "legal name"
What about mentioning where you live? If I mention my Eastern European country on the CV, but using a Norwegian name, isn't it the same? Should the location be omitted?
Jako kierowca minicaba często pracowałem na nocnej zmianie i rozwozilem np. pracownikow hotelu Groosvenoor do domów. Bo konczyli oni pracę, kiedy metro bylo już nie czynne. Nie mialem wplywu na to kto wsiadzie do mojego samochodu. A byli to ludzie z przeroznych krajow. Tacy najlepsi pasażerowie, przy których się relaksowalem. Z ktorymi zawsze milo się gadało to zdecydowanie latino. Zarowno ci z poludniowej Europy jak i Ameryki Południowej. Inni byli po prostu ok. Byla tez grupa pasazerow z krajow na poludnie od Europy ktorzy czesto mieli pretensję o cokolwiek. Ale na szczescie nie zdarzalo sie to często. Oprócz pochodzenia geograficznego podzielilbym pasazerow na grupy ze wzgledu na wiek. Najmilsi byli ci 60 lat i wiecej. Zawsze spokojni i nigdy się nie spieszyli. 25-30 lat wyluzowani. Najgorsza grupa to 35-55 lat. Oni nawet nie spojrzeli mi w oczy. Przez caly czas rozmawiali przez telefon. A wypowiadając nie mieli czasu zamknac drzwi. Bylo to co prawda w Londynie. Ale tam jest chyba najbardziej mieszane towarzystwo jakie widziałem.
@@mirka Wiem ze tu troche odbieglem od tematu. Ale chcialem podkreslic, ze latynosi to bardzo fajni ludzie. To byla przewaznie godzina 1am lub 2am. Każdy jest wtedy zmęczony i chce żeby jak najszybciej zawieźć go do domu. A oni nigdy nie narzekali ze trzeba jeszcze na kogoś poczekać. Rozmowa z nimi to byl dla mnie relaks. Ja przy nich odpoczywalem.
Given that Norway has one of the largest public sectors in the world, is there a difference in the discrimination for workers in the public vs. private sectors? I live and work in the public sector in the UK (NHS) and much as some people and even political parties would like it to be otherwise, our health service would literally collapse if we discriminated against candidates on the basis of race, religion or name.
Yes there is. We have the same situation in our health care. Totally depending on all sorts of foreigners. Many of them with much more respect for older patients. And we are not getting younger either ;) Totally agree with you absc
This is a very interesting video. 😂😂😊😊 I don't feel strongly angry about a society wanting to hire their 'own'. It is just human perception. I am non-'white' if we are going by colour scheme and am not saying if it is right or what. Was listening to this African French lady who used to be an actress on French TV and she said that she was only given roles where she was a gangster and.was given the role of spitting on others. Naturally over time, people have the perception that certain races are such and such. For example, a couple of years ago, this English professor with a Korean wife. Their video went viral and the wife was thought to be the babysitter coz she is Asian. Even in news articles and clips, for gig economies jobs advert, u get an Asian model often and maybe for other industries like delivery, u get an Indian model. It is just media and perceptions. Very light-hearted interesting video. Thanks and have a koseligt Christmas both of you. 😊😊😊😊 XO
I really dont know where to incluse myself as a spaniard... Cause my name sounds pretty Latin, but im theorically souther western european... where to include spanish, italian and greek people?😅
Merry Christmas to you guys !!!! Good to hear from you. Low birth rate???? $69 question has to be WHY !!!! I would think people would be having large families with all the great Norwegian social benefits. All the best , and all that is holding me back from immigrating is qualifications and age , other than that it is a go.
NOT ONLY IN JOBS BUT DEALING WITH LIFE IN HOSPITAL AS PATIENT ALSO . DANGEROUS !! LIFE THREATNING !! FORGET ABOUT JOB EVEN FOR SURVIVAL OR GETTING PRIORITY IN HOSPITAL DURING EMERGENCY NAME PLAY A HUGE ROLE.
I experienced this much of my life in the USA though I was born here... I think my name scares people off.. also employers want to hire wealthy people that don't need the salary... and also there are not really good jobs out there that are advertised... everything seems to be hidden and jobs are given to friends and family?
This is unfortunately true and not news either. Discrimination based on ethnicity, where people with dark skin and people with Arabic names are definitely at the back of the queue or at the bottom of the application list, has been publicly known for a few years in Norway. The problem is that no one seems to care, at least not the average Norwegian. Norwegian municipalities, taxi companies and bus companies are the exceptions, they have been very good at hiring these groups. The truth about Norwegian society today is that racism is rampant, both among ordinary people, employers and not least politicians from right-wing parties. According to a survey this fall, about 50% of all Norwegian boys aged 18-25 would vote for DT. The far-right party FRP is now the largest party in Norway according to the latest opinion poll. The country of the Peace Prize has become a rich, selfish and racist society.
Haha and here I am with a South American name with heavy religious connotations. I'm not religious (for a long time) or attached to it soooo it's nice to know this is a thing!
Very nice video and also a very interesting point. I had seen similar problems in Denmark, where the government try to push put inmigrants but there is no danosh people working in that areas, so they are making a big problem from the future, many danish married a foreign person and they leave the country because the government don't want inmigrants, so they lost people from every corner. Os a little sad because they cannot see that thry are gona have a very big problem in the future because that
Men skulle du søkt om å jobbe med ungdom, Hadde du ikke fått jobben! Men har du vert gjengkriminell og sonet 10 år da hadde du få jobben.Søkte en sån jobb dem bare lo av meg.Jeg hadde blankt rulle blad.. GOD JUL.🤣😂
@@sophiacariad5870 Oh dear, good thing I am patient enough to explain basics to my kids every day. Names are quite obviously a giveaway that you come from a certain culture, and different cultures have different reputations, often for a good reason(although not always). Not all cultures are equal. We all know companies are obsessed with culture fit and will hire a Norwegian ENTJ over an ENTP, so it is hardly surprising that they will be even more cautious when the culture between people is way more different than between an ENTJ and ENTP. For example I work fully remotely in E-commerce and anyone with an ounce of honesty in this industry will tell you that Filipinos work a certain way, while Ahmed's are exactly the opposite. One group tends to be hardworking but very insecure about their abilities, other group can be hard working, but will often be super confident to the point of arrogance. One day they will tell you that they can build a nuclear reactor, 3 days later they won't show up at work. In general, the main reason why eastern Europeans are preferred over everyone else is direct communication. All other cultures around the world have this thing where they won't communicate a problem for some reason. Maybe it's because they are afraid of dealing with the consequences, or maybe they just prefer to keep things under the rug as long as they can handle it. For example we had a great person from the Philippines who did her work well, until she made a big mistake and instead of owning it decided to cover it up hoping no one would notice. 6 months later Amazon strikes down our listing and thousands of $ in sales are lost in the following months till that was fixed. The poor soul never showed up again. And that is the crazy thing about it. It is not bad people who do this, it is just that they communicate in mysterious ways and this can lead to big issues when working with westerners. Almost every company that hires globally understands this very well.
The problem is the lie that is told publicly to propogate the appearance that this does not happen and to falsely make Norwegians appear they do not discriminate against other people rather than base hiring on education, competence, experience and qualifications. Democracy requires equal opportunity not discrimination, favoritism, nepotism and even racism.
there are more immigrants opening businesses in norway every year so if this keeps up.....they wont want to hire the Norwegians ......this will backfire on Norwegians .....theres not enough of them.
@@sophiacariad5870 i need people that share the same culture, values and I can communicate with for work. Outside of work i couldn't give a shit where you're from.
That doesn't make sense. Don't you want the most qualified person? Are you saying you think the people from your group can't compete without favoritism?
@@darthhell4234 yup western and Northern European countries looove to go on and on about how tolerant towards immigrants outside of western and northern Europe they are. It's a big lie, it's just great PR
Nice to see a Norwegian who's being honest about the fact that polish people are discriminated against in Norway
Yeah, the natives like being Norwegian, a big crime....
About Norwegian employers: "They want to have change, without changing." (9:01) What a great line!
Any Nordic employer? Finnish employers are not much different I'd say.
My experience as Indian ( punjabi ) is that I might have faced about 50-60% of what my friends faced ( not sure why but lets leave that). They ways to improve chances for jobs that worked as 1st generation immigrant with no relatives:
1. Norewegian language skills which sometimes I mention it in my summary (indirectly)
2. Have norwegian references.
3. I had a global NGO ( Data Science ) experience where members were from Europe and USA
4. Projects that do not show you skills but are in norwegian context. e.g. Instead of showing my ranks and scores in top 99 percentile I showed a simple project of fish swarm detection.
Also if you have to upload a profile pic I would suggest having a norwegian background like Bryggen or some known landmarks.
Tldr . Save some money and get referral from a Norwegian or someone who can vouch for you at senior position. This is hard but works quite well as I have seen with my friend circle.
Thank you so much for making our video so much better through your story and advice. I think many who watch this video will find your comment very useful. We certainly do. God jul from Mads and Ronald
Or, like your Indian colleges, change your last and first name to Norwegian one without the picture,
Finding ways to make it easier to catch fish will always get you extra points with Norwegians. 🤔🤣
I'm an expad living in norway and I had some trouble finding a job but got lucky and I am from western europe so I was sort of privilaged. I can verify that my colleagues and bosses were all very sceptical to hire a man from Iran the last time we were hiring and in the end he wasn't hired cause he was "too qualified" just to not let it show that they didn't want to risk the cultural differences. It's sad in my opinion to not let qualified people in due to fear and prejudice but go with people who have a familiar name and might not be qualified at all.
Thanks for sharing your important story!
@@YOURWAY2NORWAY du er klar over at det er flere og flere ungdommer med riktig navn som havner utenfor arbeidslivet og som ikke får hjelp i det hele tatt. Mens politikere og andre maser om at det er forlate arbeidskraft i Norge! Lag ein video om det, nei det gjør du aldrig fordi det er ikke like populært til og med diskriminerende ovenfor invandrere ikke sant?! Du er ein uærlig liten råtte!
Takk for at du deler dine meninger med oss. Godt å få motstand også. I tillegg er jeg faktisk født i rottas år, så du er ikke helt på jordet der ;)
Not only Norway has this problem, also here in the Netherlands, and many other countries. It is a shame!!
The problem ends when employers realize most people aren't relatives to politicians of any country in the world, and so this means we are all different. Just being from and living in X country don't make us do evil things this country may do. It is pretty obvious that employers may look at people through lens of bureaucracy and treat them as if all lead the country and decide what it does, when in reality it's not so for the most part. Government, even a lot of times, culture, and people are two different entities.
Having the problem and the level on which you have the problem is a different IMHO.
I always thought this issue is much softer (less of a problem) in the Netherlands, being a much more diverse and international country than Norway.
It is not a problem, and it is not a shame. In the US the Indian hiring managers in software engineering hire only other Indians. In effects they eliminated all the Americans from the software engineering job market. So if the Indians do that in the US, what makes you think they would not do it in Netherlands or in Norway? Do you think in India they would hire any of us before hiring one of their own caste?
@@wrestlingterrier8366 Norway have one of the highest share immigrant population in Europe.
After 20 years in Norway as a foreigner worker. I know Norway need my skills.
But I don't need Norway anymore.
Sad. Thanks for sharing.
@YOURWAY2NORWAY from my point of view its not sad. I'm happy.
Of course I still have some friends there who I miss and think about them.
But its not the end of the world. I can visit them sometime and we send some pictures or short videos sms et cetera.
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I understand you are Polish ?
@@mirka tak przez te 20 lat mieszkalem troche w N a troche w PL
Tak ze mialem kontakt z jednym i drugim krajem.
Za kazdym razem jak przyjezdzalem do Polski widzialem cos nowego w Norwegii też. Raz bylo to na plus a raz na minus.
Ale ostatnio w N raczej tylko na minus.
You’ve made enough money in Norway?
I'm a muslim man from Egypt living in Norway, and sadly I've experienced this more times than I can remember. It's really sad to see how we, as humans, dehumanize each other all the time.
I really appreciate your videos, you really describe living in Norway from an insider perspective that's more realistic and true compared to other creators on UA-cam. But more importantly, you also opened my eyes to the dark sides of Norway as a state by talking about the Sami. Appreciate the hard work 🙌
If a Christian European moves to Egypt, do you think he will get a job before a native Muslim Egyptian?
@@noway8563 this prespective also has some validity! - it's just who needs the other the most, and anything comes with upsides and downsides
Thanks for being honest, you are the BEST..
This is sooooo effing true, I'm a UK expat in Norway and racism is rife across the board, I can only imagine for how it is with people from further afar...... Someone I know born and brought up in Norway, 100% Norwegian mother but a father from the Baltics... Same for him, with his father's surname, never got a job, all applications dead ended, so he took his wife's surname and got a job immediately...
Edited to add my wife knows several of your lowest tier people 2nd / 3rd generation, Doctors, that have changed their names to a Norwegian name to get a job, then once established, change their name back again...
The endless struggles of Dr. Thordradas Patelsen. 🤔😄
Nice to see that someone is not afraid to talk about the reality, not some PC bullshit. In order to change first you need to face the reality. It's definetely not a Norwegian problem.
Good to see you Ronald :) if you don't post before the 25th or the first, have a great christmas and new year. Great content as always!
Sorry for so many comments, but what about the Sami? Or is there an affirmative-action type program to promote their hiring?
Many Sami people, like me have a Norwegian sounding name. But I would not mention my background. If it was not related to the job. Love your engagement :)
I’m second generation Norwegian American. I spent a lot of time in Norway back in the 80’s. The things that you talk about here are nothing new. These issues exist in certain ares of the US too., but not in the big cities. Ethnocentrism is basic to almost all cultures. Their going to agree with you on this over there unless you disrupt to tourist industry. I’m amused by your videos. Unfortunately I can’t share them with my relatives over there.
I love this guy!!!!
I would imagine it's the same way in my home state of North Dakota, a bit isolated and out of touch. Of course, anyone from the Dakotas or Minnesota would likely disagree with me, but going back for summer vacations (I now live in California, and lived in New Mexico for a long time as well), northerners take a while to warm up to strangers.
I don't know how people in the USA feel towards North Dakota. The point is, however, that in a European context, Norway and other Nordic countries have managed to advertise themselves as open minded, inclusive, and forward looking, while they are often they are more closed minded than many other European countries with a 'worse' reputation.
@@vins1979 Not at all.
Always l laugh, I cry, I space each half matpakke whenever watching your old and new videos. Love you both Ron and Mads! May you bask in the beautiful lights this holiday season!
Thanks for being awesome. Big hugs from us :):)
Your advice is absolute gold Ronald. We moved to Norway one year ago, and my wife constantly seeks a job. She may have applied for hundreds of engineering positions. Finally, she managed to have two face-to-face interviews last month and went well. They said that they would call her, but we are still waiting, and there is no callback. But we have still hope for 2025. God Jul. :)
🤞🤞🤞! Thanks for sharing with us. God jul to both of you
Good to see you Ronald and hearing you Mads
So pleased to see you. You had disappeared off my radar, although I have been a subscriber for a long time.
Good that my parents gave me a nordic first name as a German xD
EDIT: I like that you are open about discrimination, this is something that Finns have really have trouble admitting.
In my experience all Scandinavians have huge trouble admitting it which is why this channel is such a breath of fresh air!
@@themeltedchocolate Might be I only lived in Finland so far. For Finland the problem is related to the blind trust in authorities. Also I noticed people don't like to talk about politics as openly as elsewhere.
Yup that's how it works over there. People don't talk about a lot of things as to appear tolerant etc but their actions such as the ones described in the video show their discrimination more than their words do
@@themeltedchocolate Well they do talk abut blame something else instead, like it's your fault that you are so loud.
@@themeltedchocolate You find just as much discrimination in other countries. Where do you live if I may ask?
Thanks for posting! Both informative and entertaining! Merry Christmas, Mads and Ron!
Same to you!
My grandfather came to uth USA from Norway about1900 and settled in northern Minnesota. 124 years later my relatives in Minnesota are very much like Norwegians of today. They want change but not so they can see the change.
Jeg har bodd i Norge siden 2013, jeg kommer fra Polen og snakker og skriver norsk. I begynnelsen var det ikke lett, for markedet var i krise, og det var ikke arbeid for sveisere. Jeg sendte mange jobbsøknader, og da jeg endret polsk til norsk i CV-en min, fikk jeg faktisk svar fra bedriftene. Det var litt absurd, men jo før man innser det, jo bedre er det. For sånn er verden, det er ikke rettferdig. Barna mine er født her, og de har "riktige" navn. Det er mye å skrive om... Jeg elsker dette landet, det er fullt av absurditeter, men hvilket sted i verden er ikke det?
Hehe, det er sant. Takk for at du deler med oss!
I think this is most common in Nordic countries. In Finland they discriminate against Gypsies. They take note of your surname.
I have to admit. I've been SUPER LUCKY with jobs in my life. Even at 67, I have a full-time job. I have to say that I am 1/4 Norwegian and 3/4 Irish. I am super white with a shocking tuft of white Norwegian hair! I have an MA from a very good school and I've worked for some very powerful firms. I interview well. I have been very lucky.
Stå på du, du gjør mye bra i disse videoene!
Takk. Og selv takk for at du følger med :)
Popatrzmy na to z odwrotnej strony. Zależy kogo szukamy i na jakie stanowisko. Ale np. jako właściciel restauracji na stanowisko kucharza szukalbym kogos z Meksyku lub z Tajlandii.
Bez wzgledu na to czy był by to mezczyzna czy kobieta wiem że mialbym najwieksze szanse znalezc kogos odpowiedniego. W drugiej kolejnosci byli by Grecy I inni z poludniowej Europy.
Norwegowie i Anglicy. Byliby na ostatnim miejscu.
Nie bez powodu trudno znalezc norweska i angielską restaurację. Nawet w Norwegi i Anglii.
to samo pomyslalam, to nie jest dyskryminacja tylko zdrowe myslenie, pracodawca szuka najlepszego pracownika,
I suppose it is common sense that an English or Norwegian person lacks a discerning palate and therefore can not be trained in the culinary arts.
As a Mexican who does not cook. I'm grateful for the job security since Norwegians know nothing about good food. That's just common sense.
Where have you been? Nice to see you again.
All I care about is qualifications.
In the US Noone cares about name but once you get the job, you only get up the hierarchy based on your boss' background.
Unfortunately, this isn't true about the US. They have done numerous studies about names and job interviews. Those with names that appeared to be minority people were often discarded, even with the same or better qualifications.
We do have problems with this.
You Are a Norwegian gem, nobody Else does this
Your comment means a lot to us. Thanks!
When I was in my 20's I applied for hundreds of jobs, I got to interview in just one for jobs in shops, and I applied for jobs in schools and kindergarten and it was not unusual to be one of 130 people that applied for the same job. I once got to an interview in a kindergarten, I was one of 4 that got to the interview. When I was going in to the interview there was this kid standing outside the door and he asked me who I was and what I was going to do there. I stopped and answered him that I was going to speak with the boss in the kindergarten and maybe begin to work there if they liked me. He was pleased with my answer and ran away. I had not noticed that the window in the room that the interview was going to be was open and that the people that was going to interview me actually heard my conversation with this kid. I was asked a lot of questions and one of them was if I knew everything about kids, and my answer took them by surprise as I said "No, the day I think I know everything about kids I will have to stop working with kids". I actually got the job based on the conversation with the kid outside and the answer about not knowing everything about kids. The other persons that had been there already had said that they off course knew everything about kids and they had not stopped to speak with any of the kids outside either, as this kid I had a conversation with was a curious little kid and had been there when the three other people had been there too and had asked them the same questions but they had not stoped, probably as they were nervous, whitch I for some reason was not. I worked there for the year the job was as it was a temporary job for a woman that had a baby and took her year of maternity leave. I had actually worked with her sibling in another kindergarden. I liked the job. I have a name that is very Norwegian, but I got the job because of qualifications not my name or looks. In all the kindergardens and scools I have worked there have been several persons with foreign background, only one of them was a problem to work with because they said yes to everything, and it was not always good for the kids. I was the one that spoke a lot with the foreign persons and got to know them well and became friends with them, I thought it was very interesting to hear about their country and learn how to make food from their country. I don't understand why people are so afraid of speaking with them. I actually had a fun time teasing them (in a friendly way) about some words they pronounced wrong and got a very different meaning, one of them became a naughty word instead of the good word and I had to tell the person and they thanked me for telling them and was also a little frustrated that no one else had told them. You can tease people from other countries to as long as it's just in a nice way. When they laugh and ask you to say it right and they clearly say it wrong and almost pee themselves from laughing it's just fun, not discrimination. You should off course know their sense of humour before teasing anyone, it's a difference between friendly teasing and bullying. We actually had a lot of fun about skin color as well, they had a lighter brown skin and mine is light pink, and they teased me for wanting to get a tan when they put on a long sleeve shirt and tried to stay away from the sun to not get a tan, we had a lot of fun, we off course also watched the kids always and could run a way mid sentence to help a kid, it's what you have to do. We always stood so we could see in opposite directions so we could keep an eye on all the kids. I really liked working as a kindergarten teacher, but unfortunately had to stop working due to health issues, I really miss all the fun and the kids that always was happy to see you, and I was happy to see them too and not two days were the same even though the routine was always the same. I think the people that hire people should take in more people to an interview and pick them from qualifications not their name or anything else, the only thing that they would had to have as an absolute demand is that they actually understand the language well enough to speak and that they can understand what you tell them. It doesn't matter if they don't speak fluently, but they will need to not get offended if they get correction of their pronunciation, like my earlier colleagues that had a fun time but also learned how to speak Norwegian fluently after a while. I always asked the foreign people to learn me how to pronounce their name correctly, they tried to do the same with mine but it was impossible for them so it had to be somewhere in between😊
YOUR VIDEOS ARE VERY INFORMATIVE AND TO THE POINT . THEY PROVIDE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS .
At the same time that they're very funny!
I totally get it! Each country has its social cultural traditions and habits.
British expat with a Norwegian name here (thanks to marriage). Definitely hasn't given me any advantages (yet?). The main issue is the language barrier (most employers want B2 level) and also the fact that most jobs aren't even advertised - and those that are probably already have a hire in mind. Building a network here is so important, but that also has its challenges! NAV and employment agencies are also comparatively useless here - or maybe that's again due to the language barriers and general discrimination against expats.
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I honestly never felt welcomed by any Norwegian colleagues...I always get along with other countries from the rest of the world....except people from Poland 😅
That’s all right, I’m Swedish anyway. DNA a little over 1/3 Swedish. I’m only about 7% +/- Norwegian. I have quite a bit of German….. but apparently my German ancestors are actually Swiss. Because most of them are from the area near Switzerla. And then I have just a peppering of a few other nationalities.
My mother is a Swiss German side … and where the Italian Alps come in and a few other nationalities in that area. My dad side has less variety. Finland, Swedish and Norwegian… there is also an English component no idea how that happened.
Awesome video. Great insights on a funny note. I'm from Netherlands and thinking about working in Norway so I'm glad I probably have decent chances :)
What seems to my "untrained" eye to be the case is that many, many countries in the world are very willing to open their employment doors to people from virtually any country as long as the potential job applicant can speak the employer's language reasonably well.(or at least is willing to humbly apologize for any occasional lapses in that department), and as long as the applicant is skilled, kindly and willing to take care of elderly, and or chronically ill people for long hours at low pay... 19 hours/day, seven days a week. You also might be able to find a position caring for very badly behaved children, as long as you don't expect to have any days off --- ever. And as long as you're completely okay with "free meals" that involve the consumption of pounds and pounds of peanut butter and/or sugary cereals at the same table and time as Junior dines.Oh... and it helps if you're able to teach the little darlings French and Algebra as well. Easily worth another fifty cents per day!
This also happens in USA, but they will not call you back if your name sounds hispanic.. or if your first name sounds from another country...
Thank you for your new video, I've been waiting for it, best regards from Mexico, I hope you make more videos. Bye.
❤❤ I love you both and also your videos 😂. I’m an atheist so I don’t believe in any cult.
i missed ur videos!!
in canada, teachers used to just assign english names or suggest english sounding nick names if your name was foreign and hard to pronounce, even 10 years ago, though i imagine this is much less common now! i know many people that have kept these names and use them with friends/family/coworkers, very common here even if it's not their "legal name"
Interesting story. Thanks for sharing:)
What about mentioning where you live? If I mention my Eastern European country on the CV, but using a Norwegian name, isn't it the same? Should the location be omitted?
Jako kierowca minicaba często pracowałem na nocnej zmianie i rozwozilem np. pracownikow hotelu Groosvenoor do domów. Bo konczyli oni pracę, kiedy metro bylo już nie czynne.
Nie mialem wplywu na to kto wsiadzie do mojego samochodu. A byli to ludzie z przeroznych krajow.
Tacy najlepsi pasażerowie, przy których się relaksowalem. Z ktorymi zawsze milo się gadało to zdecydowanie latino. Zarowno ci z poludniowej Europy jak i Ameryki Południowej.
Inni byli po prostu ok.
Byla tez grupa pasazerow z krajow na poludnie od Europy ktorzy czesto mieli pretensję o cokolwiek. Ale na szczescie nie zdarzalo sie to często.
Oprócz pochodzenia geograficznego podzielilbym pasazerow na grupy ze wzgledu na wiek.
Najmilsi byli ci 60 lat i wiecej. Zawsze spokojni i nigdy się nie spieszyli. 25-30 lat wyluzowani.
Najgorsza grupa to 35-55 lat.
Oni nawet nie spojrzeli mi w oczy. Przez caly czas rozmawiali przez telefon. A wypowiadając nie mieli czasu zamknac drzwi.
Bylo to co prawda w Londynie. Ale tam jest chyba najbardziej mieszane towarzystwo jakie widziałem.
pracodawca szuka najbardziej efektywnego pracownika, latynosi moga byc mili, ale pracuja wg zasady "manana".
@@mirka
Wiem ze tu troche odbieglem od tematu. Ale chcialem podkreslic, ze latynosi to bardzo fajni ludzie.
To byla przewaznie godzina 1am lub 2am. Każdy jest wtedy zmęczony i chce żeby jak najszybciej zawieźć go do domu.
A oni nigdy nie narzekali ze trzeba jeszcze na kogoś poczekać.
Rozmowa z nimi to byl dla mnie relaks. Ja przy nich odpoczywalem.
Thank you. I enjoy reading the engagement.
Given that Norway has one of the largest public sectors in the world, is there a difference in the discrimination for workers in the public vs. private sectors? I live and work in the public sector in the UK (NHS) and much as some people and even political parties would like it to be otherwise, our health service would literally collapse if we discriminated against candidates on the basis of race, religion or name.
Yes there is. We have the same situation in our health care. Totally depending on all sorts of foreigners. Many of them with much more respect for older patients. And we are not getting younger either ;) Totally agree with you absc
Norway is for Norwegians and so of course it makes sense that Norwegians are preferred by employers.
This is a very interesting video. 😂😂😊😊 I don't feel strongly angry about a society wanting to hire their 'own'. It is just human perception. I am non-'white' if we are going by colour scheme and am not saying if it is right or what. Was listening to this African French lady who used to be an actress on French TV and she said that she was only given roles where she was a gangster and.was given the role of spitting on others. Naturally over time, people have the perception that certain races are such and such. For example, a couple of years ago, this English professor with a Korean wife. Their video went viral and the wife was thought to be the babysitter coz she is Asian. Even in news articles and clips, for gig economies jobs advert, u get an Asian model often and maybe for other industries like delivery, u get an Indian model. It is just media and perceptions. Very light-hearted interesting video. Thanks and have a koseligt Christmas both of you. 😊😊😊😊 XO
Instead of Trailer Trish I will be Trailer Tiril when applying for a job in Norway.
I really dont know where to incluse myself as a spaniard... Cause my name sounds pretty Latin, but im theorically souther western european... where to include spanish, italian and greek people?😅
Merry Christmas to you guys !!!! Good to hear from you.
Low birth rate???? $69 question has to be WHY !!!! I would think people would be having large families with all the great Norwegian social benefits.
All the best , and all that is holding me back from immigrating is qualifications and age , other than that it is a go.
NOT ONLY IN JOBS BUT DEALING WITH LIFE IN HOSPITAL AS PATIENT ALSO . DANGEROUS !! LIFE THREATNING !! FORGET ABOUT JOB EVEN FOR SURVIVAL OR GETTING PRIORITY IN HOSPITAL DURING EMERGENCY NAME PLAY A HUGE ROLE.
What about Jews? Whether local or from Israel or from Western Europe/USA?
Like all religions. Should not mention it..
I experienced this much of my life in the USA though I was born here... I think my name scares people off.. also employers want to hire wealthy people that don't need the salary... and also there are not really good jobs out there that are advertised... everything seems to be hidden and jobs are given to friends and family?
The people who think this is fine are the same people who accuse immigrants of not working.
This is unfortunately true and not news either. Discrimination based on ethnicity, where people with dark skin and people with Arabic names are definitely at the back of the queue or at the bottom of the application list, has been publicly known for a few years in Norway. The problem is that no one seems to care, at least not the average Norwegian. Norwegian municipalities, taxi companies and bus companies are the exceptions, they have been very good at hiring these groups. The truth about Norwegian society today is that racism is rampant, both among ordinary people, employers and not least politicians from right-wing parties. According to a survey this fall, about 50% of all Norwegian boys aged 18-25 would vote for DT. The far-right party FRP is now the largest party in Norway according to the latest opinion poll. The country of the Peace Prize has become a rich, selfish and racist society.
Only 10% of Norwegians would vote for Trump vs 52% in the US. What is the racist country again???
Great food for thought here Ronald!
Haha and here I am with a South American name with heavy religious connotations. I'm not religious (for a long time) or attached to it soooo it's nice to know this is a thing!
This is just sounds like a list based on likelihood they have good relevant language skills
Very nice video and also a very interesting point.
I had seen similar problems in Denmark, where the government try to push put inmigrants but there is no danosh people working in that areas, so they are making a big problem from the future, many danish married a foreign person and they leave the country because the government don't want inmigrants, so they lost people from every corner. Os a little sad because they cannot see that thry are gona have a very big problem in the future because that
Explain the name Ronald in Norwegian?
how is there disadvantage for arabs when they are such a big part (and growing) of norway?
Jeg er tysk og jeg heter Max. Vad betyder det i Norge?
I’ve got the wrong where I live!
Indeed
Hire local! Yes!
Welcome to Runaway 😁
I am a white male from Minnesota and my grandparents moved here from Norway. Am I hired?
I stads tandby norge as a sverige!, From india! Sallbac JOKE
Haha
So misogyny is a worldwide problem. Disgusting.
god jul
God jul Huda :):)
Men skulle du søkt om å jobbe med ungdom, Hadde du ikke fått jobben! Men har du vert gjengkriminell og sonet 10 år da hadde du få jobben.Søkte en sån jobb dem bare lo av meg.Jeg hadde blankt rulle blad.. GOD JUL.🤣😂
Almost like they prefer whoever is easier to work with.
You think everyone not white is hard to work with? That's racist.
Why would your name, nationality or religion make you easier or more difficult to work with?
@@sophiacariad5870 Oh dear, good thing I am patient enough to explain basics to my kids every day.
Names are quite obviously a giveaway that you come from a certain culture, and different cultures have different reputations, often for a good reason(although not always). Not all cultures are equal.
We all know companies are obsessed with culture fit and will hire a Norwegian ENTJ over an ENTP, so it is hardly surprising that they will be even more cautious when the culture between people is way more different than between an ENTJ and ENTP.
For example I work fully remotely in E-commerce and anyone with an ounce of honesty in this industry will tell you that Filipinos work a certain way, while Ahmed's are exactly the opposite. One group tends to be hardworking but very insecure about their abilities, other group can be hard working, but will often be super confident to the point of arrogance. One day they will tell you that they can build a nuclear reactor, 3 days later they won't show up at work.
In general, the main reason why eastern Europeans are preferred over everyone else is direct communication. All other cultures around the world have this thing where they won't communicate a problem for some reason. Maybe it's because they are afraid of dealing with the consequences, or maybe they just prefer to keep things under the rug as long as they can handle it.
For example we had a great person from the Philippines who did her work well, until she made a big mistake and instead of owning it decided to cover it up hoping no one would notice. 6 months later Amazon strikes down our listing and thousands of $ in sales are lost in the following months till that was fixed. The poor soul never showed up again.
And that is the crazy thing about it. It is not bad people who do this, it is just that they communicate in mysterious ways and this can lead to big issues when working with westerners.
Almost every company that hires globally understands this very well.
Culture, language, ethics? People with same background generally easier getting along.
So, what if they're second- or third generation immigrants who are born in Norway and have spent their whole lives here?
There’s nothing wrong with favoring Norwegian men in hiring in Norway over everyone else. Why is it even controversial to say so?
Discriminating against Muslims and Jews is just a common sense way to avoid trouble
Because there are qualified women and non white people who are getting passed over just because you white men are racist .
Being smug about how nice you are while doing it is what sucks
There is something inherently wrong in not hiring the best person for the job or not hiring someone based on their name, religion or nationality.
@sophiacariad5870 I'd go for qualifications. But I'm not blonde and oh so much better than everyone, so maybe I don't know what's right
What is wrong with giving your own countrymen jobs above others ? Norway is for the Norwegians. Why is this even a topic of discussion ?
The discussion is on "who is norwegian"
The problem is the lie that is told publicly to propogate the appearance that this does not happen and to falsely make Norwegians appear they do not discriminate against other people rather than base hiring on education, competence, experience and qualifications. Democracy requires equal opportunity not discrimination, favoritism, nepotism and even racism.
there are more immigrants opening businesses in norway every year so if this keeps up.....they wont want to hire the Norwegians ......this will backfire on Norwegians .....theres not enough of them.
I'd hire someone from my own country first! Next would be someone from a similar country as mine. 3rd world immigrant would be last on my list
makes sense!
@@goldenretriever6261 not golden retriever energies for sure
i hope you always get to work with people who are just like you in every single way to save the rest of us from having to endure your bigotry.
@@sophiacariad5870 i need people that share the same culture, values and I can communicate with for work. Outside of work i couldn't give a shit where you're from.
That doesn't make sense. Don't you want the most qualified person? Are you saying you think the people from your group can't compete without favoritism?
i am an immigrant and i think it's absolutely ok for norwegians to have a preference for their own people
15:00, So, essentially none of them are racist, but are just cautious lol
Iam a big fan of your videos.
But, Iam going to sit this one out and not comment. It’s just too profound and too much for me to sort out.
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hahahaha all European countries are like this and they say they are not dicriminating peop[le what a lie hahahaha
@@darthhell4234 yup western and Northern European countries looove to go on and on about how tolerant towards immigrants outside of western and northern Europe they are. It's a big lie, it's just great PR