What I got Wrong About Decaf
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- Опубліковано 25 лют 2024
- Corrections and addendums to add to my previous video explaining the world of decaf.
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Fussy and nitpicky about coffee is exactly why I'm here. Please don't stop being both.
100%
Agreed.
This. Seconded.
Could not have said this better myself
THIS
Corrections and andendums are exactly what a make a great enthusiast channel.
Corrections and addenda what science does when we learn something new. Kudos to James for his honesty and dedication to the truth!
Better to do than to not, thats for sure. But a massive channel like James Hoff should have the mind to reach out to the reasearchers during the intial video planning and discovery stage.
Info over ego. Big ups.
Also big ups to Dr Samo Smrke
@@HariSeldon. Corrections and addenda *ARE* what science does....
Thank you so much for reading, and I hope you have a great day.
@@ThunderGoatz In an ideal world with infinite time and resource, I'm sure the video would be higher quality and more accurate. But in reality, it may have taken much longer for James and in turn ourselves to learn the truth if the intial video wasn't made. Who knows how long it would have taken for James to be in contact with Dr Samo if the initial video wasn't published. Science is trial and error, and while we can do our best to plan and discover there will always be errors and more trials.
This is why I love scientific communities like this because an essay that essentially boils down to "You're wrong" is accepted, appreciated, and celebrated instead of leading to petty online fights. The more information we know, the better, thanks for putting this video out to continue the knowledge that's out there about decaf!
Hear, hear.
That's just how normal, educated adults are. Even in normal life. The internet has just perpetuated the "angry kid" vibe that if you tell they're wrong its a fight.
For full effect, the online fight would lead with "your wrong". But otherwise in agreement.
That’s assuming this other scientist is right. Which… who knows. Using information on the basis of one scientist’s research is pretty flawed.
@@conorfurlonga scientist having knowledge and having studied a topic, which is not really publivally available is still a great source of information and should be value more than a random reddit post. But yes, nothing should be blindly trusted.
It’s a real shame that 99% of the other UA-cam posters don’t hold themselves to this level of honesty, accuracy and self-scrutiny.
That’s for sure!
I don't watch 99% of UA-cam channels, most of the ones I follow will be this meticulous.
Accuracy?
I'd say the vast majority of people don't.
Tom Scott was another one who used to often do this.
As a decaf drinker I’m so glad you are focussing on decaf and it’s amazing to see you talking about this and making these amendments and addenda is a huge part of why we are all here 😊
Seriously! I love coffee, but the caffeine hits me harder than most folks. I need to go decaf a couple weeks out of every few months, to reset. And taper off of standard coffee by mixing in more and more decaf. Getting quality info on making delicious decaf is priceless.
Having a heart condition I am told I should avoid caffeine 😕. I haven’t had caffeine for several years but still”
Sorry, still love my coffee, thank you James. I am still looking for that perfect espresso but I’m getting there and quite by chance I tried a finer bring and guess what? I am getting closer ❤
*grind. (Having a bad day!)
@@SamBrownBaudot I drank about 2 litres of coffee a day back in the mid 2000's whilst at work...about 2010 I started getting heart palpitations every time I had a coffee, gave up the caffeine and it all stopped. Not had caffeine since and all ok....hoping these videos will help me find better coffee. Currently using the 'Decadent Decaf Coffee Company' that use the Swiss Water Method, which is really good, but would like to try others
A UA-camr who admits their mistakes. A gem to be treasured!
The CGPGrey of coffee!!
Admitting errors and addressing them is absolutely the right thing to do. As a scientist in industry, I and my peers (should) hold ourselves to high standards but mistakes do get made.
It happens and there's a temptation to continually berate ourselves over it.
Providing there are no serious outcomes from that error then it's a learning experience, we correct and we move on, hopefully improved.
There were no serious outcomes here.
Thank you (and the team) for these videos.
Even if there are serious consequences, still a learning experience.
Something I was taught in college when doing research papers was "There's nothing wrong about being wrong" (within reason, obviously). Being wrong like this lets someone else who is more educated step in and teach you information you were missing, which should ALWAYS be the goal. We're all here to be super nit-picky about hot brown bean juice, and this furthers that knowledge quest and I for one am here for it
@@apocalypse487 true, just it's more difficult to process
Perhaps the Post Office should read this!
@@jace75It's part of the process of learning. There's no such thing as the home run in learning. You can't get it right first time unless you already have the knowledge to do so. So you have to get things wrong to identify the gaps in your knowledge. If you can accept that, it will give you back the joy in experimenting. Allow yourself the room to learn more by embracing the second best teacher after a good storyteller, and that's failure. If you don't fail, if you don't ask questions of your failures, you're not going anywhere. You're actually not growing. You become stuck. Don't let fear or ego cheat you of the joy of being surprised in a nice way. Stay curious. Stay open to constructive critique It will keep you young.
You have my respect as a man who not only admits when he got it wrong, but does so publicly, calling attention to your "mistakes", and thanking the person who corrected you. Imagine how much better our world would be if everyone took this approach!
As someone who can no longer have caffeine, I’m so happy to see decaf content on your channel. I still love coffee and look forward to seeing your segments on the decaf process.
not sure he has been publishing for that long :) (minor typo)
@@tomdupree2758 haha. That was a good typo! Thanks for noticing.
I'm excited to see the factory tours!!
No harm, no foul. We are just glad you are making more videos.
yes!
And he is glad we watch, as it's more revenue!
VERY excited about the 3 decaf method tours
I've actually found myself drinking more decaf since watching your video. Keep up the great work!
Same here
Same
I been switching to decaf at noon for some time now so I can't say that my consumption has gone up. But I can say that my enjoyment has.
Me too. I didn’t know what the “swiss water french roast decaf” beans at my local grocery store meant until the decaf video.
Same here
Based in your last video I bought my first pack of decaf. A pretty good one at that. All I can say: It grinds exactly the same as regular (in a Uniform) and brews exactly like regular (in a V60) - it’s among the best coffees I’ve ever had and I thank you for expanding my coffee horizon.
Would love to know which roaster/ decaf coffee you are praising!!
@@elliez7269 It's Hermetic Coffee in Hamburg, Germany. I got their regular filter coffe. I don't know to where they ship though.
@@chrismarquardt thanks so much !!
Can't wait for the decaf tours...! Thank you!
As a decaf drinker, medically required, these few videos have been nice. I've had a similar experience in having to grind a bit finer to get best results, but only a tiny bit finer. Can not wait for the process plant video(s)!
This is why we trust you---you care about accuracy and truth.
As a coffee nerd and former academic I love how you dealt with this! Yeah I think more people should admit where they made mistakes. Absolutely love this video and all of your content!
Yet another demonstration of how deserving you, James, are of the respect you have garnered from your audience-myself included. Looking forward to the decaf tours!
It is nice that you went back and added the correction information to the decaf video, with it below the fold, not as many people are going to notice it on both desktop and mobile. Perhaps a pinned comment might be helpful in showing greater transparency. Otherwise love the work and the channel, all of you put a lot of love and effort into it and it shows! :D
Thank you! Since I recently had to switch to decaf because of some medication I need to take, I am very very grateful for every video you make about it. Even more so in times where it's becoming harder to trust online sources and search engines by the day.
The fact that James is so open about making mistakes only makes me love his work more. Thank you for always being so honest and transparent!
Hey James, after your positive decaf video I went and bought some good quality decaf green beans, gave them a nice and light roast in my home setup, and the result was a very sweet, chocolatey and smooth cup.
A lot better than I had imagined.
Now I can enjoy coffee in the evenings as well!
The decaf video will forever have a special place in my heart because it was the one that started me on my coffee journey. ❤
(Thanks to YT realising that I would be totally into coffee even though I never watch anything related to food or drink 😂).
The level at which you care about transparency and information is just outstanding and amazing. I truly admire you for it, and hopefully it affects just a little part of the world. Stay strong!
Really interesting in learning more about decaf and I hope it gains more popularity so roasters put more effort in creating interesting decafs!
I love making a good coffee in the evening without worrying about having trouble getting to sleep.
My regular cafe here in Melbourne Australia just closed down so I went to a new one today. Ordered my decaf latte and watched as the barista fossicked around in the shelf above the grinder and eventually found the Tupperware container full of pre-ground decaf coffee. A little part of me just dies whenever I witness that...anyone else with me?
And yes the coffee was banal to put it nicely. Keep up the good work @James Hoffman ... we need a quiet revolution...
Awesome that we're finally getting more decaf stuff
Thank you for being serious about journalistic integrity. So many channels would add a "corrections" at the bottom of the description in a video.
Doing corrections in the description comments, is still a lot better than ignoring mistakes entirely.
But yeah a follow up vid is even better.
More videos from James Hoffmann are always welcome and a blessing.
I've recently returned to home espresso after a long spell with just a moka pot (which I've learned from James I was using very wrongly, hey ho) and I found the decaf video really interesting because as a side effect of cancer treatment I seem to have become extremely sensitive to caffeine.
I'm therefore going through the triple challenge of relearning espresso brewing, learning about all the things that have been invented since I was last paying attention (WDT tools, levellers, puck screens, weighing to 0.1g etc etc etc) AND getting to grips with decaf.
It's been great fun, much to the bemusement of my non-coffee-drinking wife, but I'm still not very happy with the shots I'm pulling, so I'm really keen to hear more about decaf and especially decaf brewing techniques.
Props for the corrections. It's a sign of a true seeker and propagator of knowledge to admit and correct your mistakes.
One of (the many) things I love about this channel is the commitment to integrity and clarity about the subject. It’s increasingly rare to find sources of information that aren’t solely driven by ‘creating content’.
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common James Hoffman W. As a half-caf drinker, I'm looking forward to more decaf videos! I just got into coffee a few years ago and love it, but I want to enjoy it without making my brain buzzy every time and developing a reliance on caffeine.
My dad is in a similar boat, half caf, he had always wondered why there aren't Roasters making blends for custom caffeine levels.
Although now that I think about it I suspect you would get mechanical layering/separation in the bag as well as the challenge of two different extraction profiles. Maybe a relatively darker roast on the caffeinated beans and relatively lighter roast on the decaf?
As a decaf drinking I'm super excited for the decaf production tours! I'll be keeping and eye out for those videos!
Me too!
Awesome about the decaf factory tours! So excited!
I found a local roaster that roasts light, medium, and dark roasts. They invite people to watch their roasting process every Thursday and they sell beans by the pound. They had a light medium decaf and because I no longer have a grinder had him grind it for me. He asked how I was going to brew it so he could choose the right grind size. He obviously took many factors into consideration: the fact that it was decaf, light medium roast, and would brew pour over because when I got home I was shocked to see that it was much finer than I thought it should be, but it brewed perfectly. So what you said about grinding decaf finer is my experience as well.
Kudos to James for having this level of accountability and for his thrive for excellence, on a level that even the companies that manufacture these products don't have
Absolutely mad respect for how you respond to being alerted about mistakes/criticisms. As a decaf drinker, I really appreciated the original video and I can't wait to see the tours of the various decaffeination processes!
Same!
How lovely it is that this channel brings together passionate people with friendly intentions from around the world for us all to learn more and understand better. ❤
Super excited for the decaf tours! I'm transitioning away from caffeinated drinks to reduce general anxiety, so I'd love to learn more about how decaf works to get the best out of those cups.
I can't wait to see your next decaf videos! I just recovered from covid and it attacked my heart, so I have had to switch to decaf. I still love my coffee and I really want to learn as much as I can from someone who I can trust to do the right thing!
And this is why we love your channel! Thank you so much for making the coffee nerd community so much brighter and more informed!
Appreciate the transparency and definitely appreciate bringing the positives of decaf to light.
Thanks for taking seriously expert's feedbacks! The previous video was extremely precious to me for a single point: storing decaf in the freezer! Game changer.
Oh I am excited about the manufacturers agreeing to tour their facility! 🤩
Very well done. It’s not easy to apologise but all credit to you for having the courage and humility to do so. Your honesty and integrity is part of what makes your channel so successful. Keep up the great work!😊
The humility involved in the way you address those mistakes is what coffe lovers and/or professionals love about your work. Thank you for your videos and for all effort, James. Regards from Chile!
Interesting. I grind my decaff beans at exactly the same fineness as full fat beans. Both give good shots. Looking forward to learning more about the different processes.
To commit a mistake in the channel like this is a sign of its strenght! Well done, do the great job, make mistakes and let us know where they happened! Good luck!
Thank you for your transparency and willingness to admit that you got things wrong- a seemingly rare character quality these days! Also, I still love my decaf!
i WAS not a coffee drinker, we went to Switzerland and Italy, when we came back, I finally learned how to use the french presses we already owned, then bought a breville bambino; my wife can only drink decaf, i never drink or eat caffeine products so WE do only decaf. I have joined a club that sends me a pound of decaf from different sources every 1.5 weeks. I thoroughly enjoyed your decaf info and your ' i don't like coffee' episodel that was me before europe. I try most of these beans in the french press as well as the expresso maker. I usually prefer a cappuccino over an expresso, but try to try new coffees all 3 ways; french drip, expresso and cappuccino. Thank you for your videos, they have helped me and been very entertaining. Some day i probably will have 15-20 coffees, set out in a double blind taste test......
Man, I absolutely can't wait to see the decaf tours. It's something I've long been interested in. I'd honestly love to see James go further into coffee processing in general by going to the farms, coops, etc.
Yes, thank you. I drink Swiss Water decaf about 20% of the time. I am really hoping to perfect my decaf brewing. Cheers!
I love seeing correction videos, it's nice to get a fuller picture.
UA-cam should really have a feature to attach corrections to a video. I get the argument for not allowing wholesale replacement, but it'd be entirely viable to offer room for corrections in a way that was integrated more tightly with the original video, but I guess that's not how UA-cam wants people to engage, just watch what the algorithm feeds you I guess.
It's always great to see when people admit errors. Can't wait for the decaf tours!
Thanks for the detailed correction James.
Would love to see an interview with Samo in the future!
I’m not really into decaf, but I’ve found the process of how it’s made immensely interesting to learn about while watching your prior video. Who would’ve thought it’s the future decaf processing tours that I’m most excited about.
James your a coffee hero. Spent a few days catching up on the science of coffee brewing. I know its cheeky but could you please do a decaf aeropress video? For the more budget home brewer, especially considering the beans are damaged in the process and effectively different to normal caffeinated coffee beans.
Keep up the great work. To you and the team I salute you.
I wish you were able to name this video. I've learned a lot more about the decaf process and I'm excited about the things that's coming up. It's too bad that you had to call it an apology video. Your stuff's awesome.
I really did enjoy the other decaf video. I'd been interested to try decaf after realising how late in the day I was consuming coffee and the video inspired me to go out to one of my local roasters and pick up one of their decaf offerings. Thankfully the brewing process was very forgiving and the result still tasted really good. Highly recommend people shop local as you can get some fresh and interesting options 😊
Funny. I roast my own with an air popper type machine. Now that you mention it, I do settle on 10%-20% finer grind setting for my decaf than my regular coffee. All beans sourced from the same packager on Amazon. Since I don't grind more than one regular and one decaf at a time, I just thought that was bean variation, not thinking it might be process variation. So your observation is interesting and helpful.
And then, to put it all in perspective. My coffee tuning is on hold because my grouphead gasket doesn't seat my new bottomless portafilter tightly enough. There is so much that has to be right before we get to the grind settings of decaf.
I loved the original and value the correction. Brewing is very hard to get right and it’s hard to find information. The original helped me get it closer to correct. Can’t wait for more decaf content. Seems to be a great opportunity for deeper info.
Updates are good! Thanks for the update
Barriers of entry for decaf drinkers are high,
1) stigma
2) limited brewing info specifically for decaf (it brews differently, in my limited experience, but limited experience is where we start).
3) availability of specialty decaf (most local roasters make decaf to appeal to dark roast coffee drinkers, finding anything else is difficult, requires postage costs etc)
4) freshness issues exacerbating the problems
... a lot of this leads to offputting experience... but decaf is all we have.
Thank you for the follow up! Loved the other decaf video as well. I've pretty much given up on most caffeine for health reasons so decaf is all I got. Can't wait to see the in-depth videos on the different decaf processes. That sounds awesome!
I love decaf for those late night latte craves. One really useful tip from a barista friend was to thoroughly stir and mix the espresso shot before pouring the milk and trying latte art. I could not for the life of me get anything decent before that and just stirring it up a lot was a game changer for my latte art practicing. Cheers James for the corrections :)
Thanks, and looking forward to the factory tours!
I would also add that I like the flavour of coffee so much that I drink decaf after midday, so this video is very encouraging.
I’m excited about industrial tours of decaf processes. And good for those companies for being savvy enough to reach out.
Representatives of the Press could learn a bit from James. Usually it's a big "first page" material (UA-cam recommended) with errors, followed by an excuse, published on some remote website and in fine print. Here we have a whole video, correcting what has been stated erroneously. I truly must say: wow. And I bow my hat to you, noble Sir Hoffmann!
I think keeping the process explanations to the basics was totally fine for the basic decaf video, but very interested to hear more about the in-depth science behind some of the processes in those factory tours!
Yes, I listened to your original and thought “my decaf tastes nothing like normal bean coffee”. Glad others thought the same. So glad you area “details man”. Keep it up please! Looking forward to your factory tours!
Big compliment to you guys to stand behind mistakes and actually making an dedicated correction video then just pin an comment under the original video.
Didn't see that often nowadays ❤
Nice greetings from Taiwan
I love highly detailed content you have always strived to provide. Quite frankly, didn't watch the decaf video due to me just not liking the taste of it and it serves me purpose. But! I appreciate it. never expected Coffee-Tube to experience a LinusTechTips moment, but anything for fussiness.
You truly are UA-cam's favourite mad coffee scientist (I feel you may refute the last word, but video's like this make it clear that you are)
This is like the Gamers Nexus of Coffee channels, that is willing to share these company tours. I'm constantly learning more and more about a drink I thought was relatively the same, until I started trying out different brands and flavors. Thank you for what you do.
Super excited for those tours. On-location examination provides a lot of context to presented information.
"We will do a better job"
But like posting a video with corrected information is already doing a really incredible job. And also gives me something to watch this morning
So excited for the factory tours!!
James, I’m just grateful you haven’t now given up on coffee and decided to defect to drinking tea only.
As always, love your work. Proper nerd stuff…just my thing.
Everyone appreciating the mea culpa but I'm just over here excited as heckfire hearing there's going to be decaf factory walkthroughs coming!
I bought my first bag of decaf after your video. I always needed something to drink at 9pm at night and not feel bad about it. I took the plunge and for that I thank you!
On a positive note, I want to let you know that decaf made it possible for me to enjoy coffee while I struggle with an autoimmune disease, after watching your first video about decaf I went to my local roaster, got freshly roasted decaf beans and tried them and it was great. I would recommend to anyone struggling with digestive problems to have a go at decaf beans. Thanks for all your great, information rich videos. Best regards
Watching James is fascinating, I drink cheap folgers out of a 20 dollar mister coffee standardly, otherwise I go to a coffee and get a dark espresso, learning about coffee that, plainly I may never truly appreciate, is, fascinating.
Being humble and admitting mistakes and corrections is great, and I look forward to the tours of the decaf processing facilities, sounds fascinating.
Learning is always fun.
Glad you’re going into depth about decaf so we can learn from others trial and error.
I do want to point out that despite the corrections, your video on decaf gave me the confidence to buy some so I could enjoy coffee in the evenings without the issues associated with late night caffeine consumption.
Been trying and drinking way more Decaf since the last video. Keep it up - great to learn about new things.
I am beyond thrilled to see you talking about decaf! Thank you for including those of us who also drink decaf in your content.
Very mich looking forward to those factory tours!!! That's going to be amazing!!!
It shows how serious people are about coffee. In this case, which is very rare, it wasn't trolls who criticised him but people with a genuine concern for the facts and did it with respect. It restores my hope! This seems like a great win because now we get to see the process in a video. To be honest I have never understood decaf coffee and have steered clear of it. Being informed is one of the reasons I watch UA-cam. This chennel is excellent and so committed to the wonderful world of coffee - the best legal addictive drug in the world!
The beauty of making a mistake is that you get to show everyone (inc yourself) how good you are at accepting and correcting your errors. In this you have excelled.
How great is it that the original decaf video is going to lead to three full in depth factory tours! I have a family member who can only drink decaf now due to serious health issues and I want to show her it can still be good, as her experience ordering it at coffee shops is often weak and disappointing.
In James Hoffmann we trust. Irrespective of right and wrong, love your work!
The only acceptable and perfect UA-cam apology video
I really appreciate the commitment to integrity. As far as what else I want to see: more coverage of different brewing methods. Let's have a video covering and comparing a range of them. Turkish coffee, pour over, French press, etc.
This was a great follow-up to a genuinely informative video. I've always kind of avoided decaf, mostly out of not having a need to investigate it further, since I'm fortunate enough to be able to drink coffee well into the night with no adverse effects. I know the point of the last video and this video wasn't to pick a best method, but I think it would be informative and dare I say, fun to see a comparison of how each method of decaffeination brews and tastes; ultimately exploring which method yields the best decaffeinated coffee at home, with the least amount of faff. Also, of course, thanks for putting out consistently delightful and informative coffee videos!
This is how a true professional handles feedback, with grace.
Some of us don't have the option of regular coffee (muscle spasms, nerve damage, etc), so we appreciate this. I have mostly made decaf espresso and noticed tha the shots would run much more quickly that what I had seen with regular coffee on various videos.
I don’t drink coffee, but I find it interesting and appreciate your dedication to getting it right!
If you where wrong, didn't find complete information about decaffeinated coffee, with all your background, then how not informed are we. Your first video was big step forward. This situation now only brings even more knowledge towards all of us. GREAT JOB James!
As everyone else has said, corrections are a necessary part of great coverage of a topic, so thank you for doing this!
My experience with grinding decaf was also mostly positive. It grinds differently, but not outside of what I'd consider the normal variation between different coffees, roasts and levels of freshness. But I mostly buy one kind of decaf from my local roaster so I don't exactly have a lot of data points.