Treyarch Are Finally Changing Zombies
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
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I feel like AI can be good depending on how it's used like if it's used for rewriting code or tasks like that to take of the shoulders of the devs a bit but not to make art, weapons, story, map, ect.
It could be great for art as well. Basically feed it all the zombie assets and ask it to create similar artwork, which could actually end up being the very thing zombies needs to go back to being original rather than generic crap
@@awwwwhhhyeahhhh I agree with this partly and I'm a huge supporter of AI in general, but here's how I see it-if you fed an AI all of the COD Zombies content pre-Origins, there's no way it would ever come up with Origins. The BO2 zombies maps and others like Shadows of Evil from BO3 were so new and different that you couldn't just create that from analyzing the zombies content prior to it
Completely agree, AI can be great for code writing specifically things like bug fixes come to mind, imagine a game breaking glitch and instead of waiting a week for humans to figure out the fix an AI goes in and fixes it immediately after it being found that sounds cool, but AI lacks the creativity of the human brain and don’t think AI artists are good
@@matthewbiggs8713 It comes back to exactly what BlackOpsAmazing said, it's the emotional aspect to the art, which most people aren't directly aware of. It's a vibe. Yes AI can do the same thing, but it's not cohesive, it has no concept of this "vibe", because we don't even really have a concept for it, aside from how it feels lol.
It's the SOUL of a game that was bled out by the developers and artists, you can FEEL the passion that went into it. Not the same with AI.
Something tells me they're just trying to avoid the investment that it took to make BO3 while hoping they have success like BO3.
As a game developer myself, we don't really get a say in what gets added unless its our own project / indie etc. Normally those shots get called by the higher ups, shareholders n wotnot. And yes 9 times out of 10 we get shafted
the 2D artists are likely for emblems/stickers etc. they’ve already been using AI, some of the Warzone stickers make it pretty obvious.
They’re probably using ai for the stories too 🥰🥰
McDonalds ass game franchise
They used ai to create maps and content as well. I’m a big MP player and zombies (mp s’more) and cod overall had focused most of its progressive bs into mp which they then bring to zombies . So if you wanna know a little on how they devilop zombies etc look at the MP controversy/news.
Love your video BOA and keep up the great work you are awesome
I'm not paying $70-$130 for something that barely had human help making.
Is it just me or does AI art feel soulless every time i look at it even if nobody tells me that this art is made by AI i can see the difference from art made by a human
Trust me you would not be able to tell difference as easily as you think.
@@TrulyLegitGamingnah he kinda gotta point AI frfr is off compared to original art u have to look good to tell what is AI and what isn’t it’s obvious still at this time but tbh ik there’s room for it to grow
@@TrulyLegitGamingit's super easy if you've done any art or photo manipulation tbh
AI doesn't fully understand dimension and form and it's always easy to see, the pictures almost always are flat, don't have consistent lighting and shadows, and dimension is lost most times unless there is a base frame to build from, but you can still see the seams
That’s why it’s worked in conjunction with AI
That's it, I'm not playing modern/future COD's anymore.
also ai will cause people to lose jobs
Will? It already has in some places
Well Microsoft did that,without the AI excuse 😢
That's the point.
they’re not replacing ppl w/ AI really tho, they’re hiring people to use generative ai tools. ai still needs a human guide and that’s still giving ppl jobs.
@@UKStudiosNEit hasn’t let’s be fr all it has done it swapped the position need instead of physical ppl u her ppl who can work with the ai
That title of video make me think changing zombies back to BO3 and back style of zombies
Same for a split second I had hope for cod but as soon as he said AI I was thinking welp there goes that cod is officially done for. 😢
They just need to put in "make the best COD game ever" and watch as the AI just produces Black Ops 2
Turns out it makes 4 others, WW2, IW, BO3, Ghost(Edit: not in any particular order)
@@nothingishere2837cuh wat ? I know u entitled to your own opinion but survival on dome back on the original MW3 is better than ghost and IW I played that map more then those titles you said outside of bo3
@@HuHefner-oc2ry Im going off all modes, MW3 one of the best campaigns out there, I wish I could've played it, but the games i picked had good campaigns(except BO3 in my opinion) and good multiplayer and 3rd mode and the graphics are also better
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Love your content
Suddenly my wish for a stand-alone cod zombies game is thrown out the window
You should check out that Sker Ritual game. Looks promising
@@That_0ne_Dev I saw it and yeah it’s pretty fun
The next Treyarch title better have something like zombies chronicles with them bringing back the classic and incredible maps they made like black ops 3 did
Achievement badges and on screen tags like health bars are 2d i think.
How to make everyone happy:
Make 3 Zombie Modes
Classic (for the people who want the classic type)
Newer (like cold war)
and the open world types
also allowing custom game modifiers would sell the game for me, like for example Power weapons only mode (everyone starts wih rayguns etc), the gum feature from bo3 but in cold war type of gameplay
Just give us LOTS of maps and Weapons more than any game before it, and ffs give us horror, different looking scary zombies..
If they don’t bring back the og theme song at the beginning of every zombie map I’m gonna lose it
3:29 the calling cards
The AI is a message from the leaders and it says “We don’t care if we ruin Zombies we have MP”
2D art is also the HUD, the menu’s, emblems, etc.
there's no way they'll make the ai do things like the hud or menus
It might even be certain textures, skins, etc.
I feel like the best use for this would be concept art, ai creates a template and someone touches it up to help the concept be more clear and concise
Haven’t played Zombies since Cold War and my first zombies experience was World at War. Round zombies is the best experience and I don’t like the direction they’ve gone in now.
Same I miss the older stuff Waw black ops black ops 2 and maybe and exception bo3 mainly for the remastered maps they actually did pretty good doing that. But now the concept has pretty much changed and any of the “remastered” maps like blood of the dead I personally definitely wasn’t a fan I was way more disappointed. They basically just ruined a super good map.
How has mp gone down hill? Mw3 has been the best cod in awhile for 6v6 enjoyers
They said to "polish 2D art made by humans" concerning, yes but it is used to assist already made artwork not replace it with ai.
Treyarch take risk for reward to the highest level. Bad business
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I hope they are changing round base has been stale for a long time now
EA do this to
I think people miss the part where this could be used alongside artists and developers to make the game more polished and look and feel better. To save so much time so they can make more content.
2D art is used in so many places in games. All the textures, emblems, calling cards, etc. are 2D art.
If treyarch plan on using A.I then I ain't even gonna bother with zombies at this point.
I thought it was doing well when cold war released, like it was trying to revive itself but then it butchered itself again with vanguard and then MW3 with the lack of any new content, the story was alright but I was not entirely interested in it.
If they end up using A.I then that is where I draw the line, some of you may think I'm being dramatic "Its just A.I art, it ain't gonna harm you." Yeah you're right but it harms the talent of real artists, people with actual talent will end up losing their jobs because companies want to create shortcuts in the worst way possible.
A.I isn't perfect either, I've seen plenty of A.I art that has major issues with body proportions being incorrect and such or the A.I not illustrating the characters correctly.
Artists don't suffer from this because they are aware of what they are making where as A.I just generate it.
I would guess they're using most of this 2d art stuff for concepts that they can use as a basis for 3d models and animations. The speed and volume you can achieve using ai is impossible to match. So they're probably try leverage it to get starting points for what will ultimately become 3d
i personally wouldn't about this 2D art problem, The reason being is because textures that you see are made from 2D images using AI would A: save time and B: The artist would end up polishing the image before being used as a 3D texture in game ( It would be disappointing if we see this used in any other way such as cutscenes) This also opens up to new camos and skins which could be pretty cool
They need 2d artists/animators for the Textures of the models. It doesn't mean the cutscenes will be 2d, it'll probably be just like Cold War cutscenes.
3:38 man stop saying "genetarive" lmfao
Generative generative generative
i miss your old intro
They’re probably using it for area ideas and stuff
I honestly think the 2D cutscenes are alright but had potential to be amazing, I wish they executed them better and spent money on better artists. But at least they get the story across
If the AI art is good enough it could be good for upcoming games.
It could allow devs to focus on tasks that were always beyond the scope of what x funding or an x sized team could produce. The plan has potential if the same amount of effort is put in. Prompt engineering is a relatively new and a growing career.
First I’ve heard of it though.
Im guessing this will mainly be used for bundles and some of the low effort art they need for events and other things. Im not really bothered by it until it actually starts to affect the quality of the game.
I definitely stand by the fact that we should have people who are passionate about these games work on them. Wouldn't that be a fun concept? Just hire people who have grown up with this game and have a passion for it and see what they can come up with.
I would say AI tools will get used in most of the new games in some way. Also to your point where you said you don't know why they are getting 2d artists/animators because you don't see it that much in the game. Calling cards are 2d art, and Camos are 2d art that gets put onto a 3d model. Emblems are 2d. Also, I would say the main focus on AI tools would be for MP maps getting remakes. Also, cod has had AI tools for the past 2 or 3 cods now but didn't say anything in dev applications
Bro is Mrbossftw but for cod zombies
Zombies will never be the same...
Well duh it’s because they keep doing the same stale round base formula yeh it’s cool but it’s boring now.As well everyone is too busy comparing the story to a 15 year old story like it took 15 years to finisg
wont be shocked if they use 2d zombie cutscenes like the later half of bo4 used after 300 people got let go
Why put "finally" in the title like this is what we wanted?
I mean if there will be primarily AI used, people will notice and the companies will receive even further backlash for it. Time will tell
I refuse to support a company that uses generative AI in their artistic pipeline
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Mean seeing as zombies has sucked since cw I tho k it’ll be fine
Why is no one covering the implications of the latest storyline update in MWZ?
Eva having a equal opposite side (shadow) in the Dark Aether mirrors the old Aether storyline of The Shadow Man and Dr Monty.
Could we finally get The Great War map (once round based finally returns) we should have gotten instead of Revelations?
AI is literally one of the worst things to happen to gaming after battle passes
It could honestly just be that they will use the AI art to get inspiration for the mqls and cutscenes and story
Its for emblems, calling cards and loading screens bro
I'm like you, about the game modes. Campaign and MP/WZ are eh to me. I quit MP in WaW. zombies all the way.
agreed! Even though I am 13, I could make A LOT of zombies maps if I had the skill. A.K.A. I got good zombie map ideas
Every thing is just AI now in days we can’t just do it ourselves anymore 😢
I’m still playing BO3 on steam
I enjoy the 2D cutscenes
sure the game is 3D, but all the textures are 2D prior to being wrapped to the 3D model. thats where 2D artists come in.
Ok, he finally fixed his mic lol
This will only be a good thing.
He doesn't know what he is talking about.
The last good zombie mode we had was back in BO3. CoD Zombies is long dead...
Using AI to make the game? Just another example of corporate greed and another reason to not buy it
we should not forget that gulf war / bo5/6 , was made under the lead of the evil himself .. "bobby kotic"..
"Treyarch Are Finally Changing Zombies" so we forgot about outbreak and vanguard zombies, and mw3 zombies which was made by treyarch?
AI is a tool we should use to help, but it only helps by integrating it in, even with that it could male people lose jobs bit also help people with thier work, i feel like if it was more the helper to basically in between the animation instead of being used for it, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal to people, but people would still complain about it being AI
People can protest ai all they want it’s not going anywhere. It’s just like people who protested against the internet they were fighting a losing battle.
I agree
Smart reply
This is a misguided take
Yep, ai’s gonna be here loooong after all of us are dead. As in the entire world, because it’s 100% going to end us in the far future. I give it like 50 years before we start fighting the loosing battle again. Just physically that time cuz the droids gon be conquering shit. 👀👀
The future will be AI slop
As long as we dont get a bo4 launch im fine with ai 😭
Well that game was forced to release early
@JulioHernandez-vi9to and that most likely will happen again as cold war crashed way more for me at the beginning than bo4 and ai might help with productivity and make the launch more stable
@@OmgAlphaDog dang I honestly never experienced any crashes in Cold War ,but hey we should embrace ai instead of hating it
It’s ok the embrace AI I just think since it changes the game so much it makes it more difficult in this situation to like AI because me personally I like the nostalgia feel when playing the old cods and it now just seems way to futurist. I guess it’s not bad but some people just like the simple way cod used to be since that’s what we had. Kinda sucks over time everything changes and seems way too futuristic. Almost like cod isn’t even cod anymore.
@@Shannonbryant605 the irony of all the futuristic stuff that only took place in bo3, i don’t see any futuristic things in Cold War and beyond unless i missed em explain though
We haven't even seen images of the game, and people are already hating...yall need to chill.
I dont mind ai. Ai has done some pretty amazing stuff. Even if the map isnt made by man. The map will still be new, as far as we are concerned random, and they can just fix up bugs. Like imagine walking around with a camera in brazil then getting ai to recreate the area you walked. so we can play in the actual slums or the streets of brisbane.
We should all hope for an even better game with new tools the devs are able to use. But the lack of knowledge people have on AI is understandable as it’s new and can cause big changes good/bad but it’s not going anywhere. It’s better to learn and use than to hide/suppress it and fear it. I know it is controversial but so are a lot of things.
"There's not too much going on in the zombies community..."
AHEM...Zombie Warfare? Hello?
honestly, I just want them to completely just rework how they may call of duty and just every five years release a new but make a year refresh but all the card developers work on the cod game together more then they do now but have Shrek only work on the zombies sledgehammer on the campaign every year they'll be replacing a new part of the campaign infinity on mp and Raven on the Warzone mode Because each one of the development teams excel, and one part of the game
No regrets just take it as a life learning experience I completely understand ya lol
They may as well start a whole new game or something. This don’t even seem like cod anymore I stopped playing after they released Cold War. I remember cod being something I would enjoy and be eager to play but now I could care less for it.
They turned zombies from it’s own story into a campaign side story, and it just feels less special and more formulaic. Weaver could have been a cool tie in character, but the gameplay and everything just got too cookie cutter
Ai rlly takes jobs…not just for video games but for a lot of companies. It takes jobs away from:/
Idk about AI taking over. Some good, bad and ugly can come from it. But in BO6? We’ll see what happens.
Treyarch *IS* changing zombies. Not “are”… Dont know why thats so infuriating 😭😂
TREYARCH, Please nail this one!!!
I mean the ai could be trianed on thier products which is entirely owned by them so if its based off of their previous work then I see no issue. If its taking from others work or ones they dont own/paid for then obviously its wrong.
Don't waste schooling in graphic design kids, it's dying
Last 2D work in Cod I saw was BO4, the primus end cutscene. Never bought another COD. Good riddance.
If anyone is not using AI now, they're going to be left in the dust.
so true cod lost it zombies
I curse the person who started ai it is not good. How many pieces of media need to exist to tell these tech bros and suits that?
shit dont matter lol, technology is gonna advance over time
@@heliqs_ it does matter, that’s my point
@@nman551 look at the world around you, computers are going to be the future, you might as well get used to it. “good artists borrow, great artists steal.” ~Pablo Picasso
Crybaby. AI is better than most humans.
bro istg cod has seriously fallen off i only play bo3
I will explain part of the situation as simple as possible... "Tryarch is a business." Like other businesses they gotta cut a lot of employees, because of the financial "crisis," America is facing as a whole now and has been for quite some time now. In short America financial stability is slowly getting outta wack and business like Tryarch is paying for it. (I'm NOT saying this as a whole of what Tryarch is going through, I'm certain that this is the main reason why though.
It sucks but AI is going to be everywhere. There's going to be much bigger things to worry about it taking over than COD graphics. Hopefully we just get a good game for once.🤷🏻♂
i wish the zombies ai was like it was back in bo1 and bo2. Where it actually took skill and not just good guns. Cw just made the zombies fast asf u cant even outrun them lol. and thats what i mean by skill. in cw you cant even survive without proper guns lol
you cant compare MWZ to BO2/BO3 maps, thats just silly
I stopped caring after Cold War, that was the last good zombies game, these new ones make exo zombies and WWII zombies look good
People using ai to make videos on tiktok yt and earning millions and now they getting crazy
Nobody seems to agree with me, but when they stopped doing season pass, and paid DLC, Treyarchs incentive to focus on making the DLC as interesting as possible, to get people to pay for it, is gone
Now its free, which sounds good, but now Treyarch only need the launch map to be good, then from that point, they can half ass everything in the free DLC
Id happily buy a season pass again if it meant the quality and excitment comes back, but now everyone will complain its no longer free, so they cant do that, i miss Jason Blundell
nope I totally agree cold war really showed that by the end of the day these companies will only do what brings in money we would have gotten better and more original maps because they needed to sell, what do we have now? stupid list of gun skins. It's very obvious what cod is prioritizing.
That’s because it didn’t affect much.season passes were $50 for 4 maps, on a op of a $60 game.and even down some of those maps were not original.gorod Krovi was taken from campaign therefore not making it a unique map.all of bo1 was re used assets from campaign and mp and people bought the pass,bo2 had maps that were also taken from campaign and mp. So original maps are very very low.id say the only original maps are shadows,derisen,zetsubo,mob and I transhit.so not a lot of original maps to buy.
Being free is fine because you also get free maps in mp as well .As far as quality they are good maps and even if they are re used assets that is fine as that’s what cod does.Shoot primis and ultimis aren’t even original to zombies they are from campaign.
So in other words season passes don’t matter on the content side
@@Audiatrix its sad, id rather buy a season pass, get 4 MP maps, and 1 epic zombie map every few months, rather than an MP map every now and then, when they feel like it, and a half baked zombie map, with no effort put in past the bare minimum
I dont get how people can think zombie maps are better now
The game mechanics in cold war zombies were fantastic, but the maps themselves were wafer thin in content
@@JulioHernandez-vi9to you missed the point, campaign assets or not, they tried harder when they had to entice people to buy it
Primis went from no named blink and you miss it campaign assets, to the 4 main zombie heads, asset flipping doesnt bother me at all, as long as its done right, like it has been since cod zombies started, until they made it free
@@gazwilliams-nc7jp the whole point is it doesn’t matter if it’s free or not they re use assets so not much is original the only original maps are the chaos maps.So even then when you paid for them you paid for re used assets
I cant stand the idea AI being purely whats used, i can understand it being applied to small things like polishing art as they said. Honestly I fucking hate what they've done to zombies and I think Activision has really fallen off and I'm sad to say the same about Treyarch. Everything past Bo4 and even Bo4 itself has been meh to garbage. All they do is resell the same shit and are greedy resulting in shitty content. They dont care to make us a good story anymore, they only want to show us shiny things in hopes of us buying their overpriced content.
😂if anything ai making stuff will make it feel more soulless
Impossiblu inevitableh
oh HELL NAH IM OUT
Good
This is bad tbh...and shows a real problem we have and will get even worse...and we unfortunately better get used to it very fast.
❤❤❤❤ I can't like the video enough, I almost exclusively buy CoD for the zombies. I've felt zombies have been going down since Bo4. I didn't even entertain the idea of buying vanguard and MW3. I had high hopes with how much time treyarc had to cook. This is not looking good for the zombies community