I like that. It reminds me of an exercise I did in a seminar "Be a walking Yes to everything." It helped me see how much my default answer was always no and I was missing out on living.
Is there any way I can help an avoidant? I was in a relationship with a loving, caring, considerate man for a year before he abruptly broke up with me in such a cold and heartless way. It was an abrupt discard which caused me indescribable emotional pain and heartache. My love for him has never faded and we now coexist in this half hearted friendship I initiated because I couldnt bear to lose him. This frequently results in physical intimacy between us (including affection and the closeness that only exists between a loving couple) but as soon as I'm no longer in his presence he goes back to being cold, distant and avoidant. I know I'm basically accepting breadcrumbs of affection off him which is a pitiful situation to be in but I've tried everything over the last six months to heal things and nothing has worked. I'd appreciate any advice besides the obvious statements such as "Let him go." "Run away and don't look back." I appreciate the good intentions but that's not going to happen. I gave my heart to this man and even though he's rejected it countless times... I truly can't let him go. I wish I could.
Thank you for giving us advice and compassion instead of demonizing us or calling us narcissists. A lot of us used to be anxious attachment style types and then one day got tired of other ppl being in control of us. I really wish anxious style types could understand this. We're not out to get you, we are trying to heal in peace.
I feel so seen in this comment. I see so much misinformation and misunderstanding of our motivations. I'm not emotionless. I'm not cold. I have deep strong emotions that I feel the need to protect. I want to connect with people but other people feel inherently dangerous to me. I need a lot of time and patience and consistency before I start feeling safe with someone. The same things that anxious people need but for some reason I get called a narcissist for it
Yup I used to be anxious and swung the pendulum to the other side. But even as an anxious person, I never *really* expressed my emotions, I just people pleased, suppressed, and fantasized relationships and always thought the best in others. I think I'm fearful avoidant now.
I love and adore an avoidant woman and I just wish her the best and hope she finds happiness. If by some miracle, she could heal, I would love to love her. But she’s like a ghost. So heart breaking. Thanks for putting this information out there
It's a matter of trust. And the betrayal of trust. And not having a safe place to be ourselves, resulting in a lack of self. A ghost can change, and solidify. A zombie (hurt people, unknowingly hurting others) or a vampire, draining your energy...can not.
Huge hugs to you.... This is ouchy stuff. It's traumatizing. You love her unconditionally. It's amazing that you love and trust yourself enough to had been real about it. That is of great value. You are of great value. I'm sorry she ghosted you in the end... it can be difficult when blame cannot be placed anywhere or on anyone.
Yeah I fell in love with an avoidant and we had the most amazing time together, not so much as a cross word. Just that it was too good, clearly. Too much love, too much intimacy, too much of all the good stuff, she just had to sabotage it. I’m pretty secure and emotionally very strong, I ended the relationship after her first emotional shutdown. Heart breaking stuff but I have zero tolerance for emotional unavailability in relationships. I’m here to learn how to avoid the avoidants in future, they are very hard to spot at the start. Now I would simply ask them right at the start.
@@cspace1234nz Same here. As an earned secure (originally anxious), it was hard for me to spot the avoidant in him. After both of us falling hard and having some genuinely good time together, he had to shut down and sabotage it. While initially my anxious self protested out of fear of abandonment, his neglect forced me to heal and become secure. Now, I have zero tolerance for emotional unavailability and have immeasurable empathy, compassion, and even a little bit of pity for him. I am ready for attracting secure energy in my life, and look at that as a learning experience. However, the way he treated me was surely a tough pill to swallow. Guess some lessons need to be learned the hard way.
I've realized I'm avoidant attachment. When things get tough I tend to run away. I worry about my autonomy being taken away and losing myself. Im trying to work on it now
This is one of the best and kindest videos on avoidants. Thank you❤ I’m in a longterm relationship and I’ve always known I’m an avoidant. I really do my absolute best to try and connect with my emotions, but I’m so so so so NUMB. I constantly keep trying over and over again thru meditation breathwork excercise etc etc. I see my wife’s beautiful qualities and all the lovely things she does for me but there’s no emotional component to that recognition. It kills me. It’s like being in paradise but not having the feelings to enjoy it. I just feel a strong need to be alone all the time and it’s fucking killing me, I am so tired. I am good with holding space for her emotions though, and I always do my best to be vulnerable, but telling your partner you don’t feel anything at all doesn’t really help with bonding or create a better connection lol… It’s so fucked, I know where this pattern came from but i just can not break it no matter how hard i try 😢
Emotions are so all over the place it’s draining enough to have that deep connection with one person but were excited to do it with dozens. Wish we could treat emotions like a professional setting. Let’s show up do what we have to do be curious with one another and leave
Thanks, i’m 38 and also late to realise i’m DA..only managed one 4 year relationship in my late 20’s and avoided heavily since but now on a healing journey and will keep working until secure. The realisation and my past making sense is both enlightening and difficult to accept as I’ve hurt others and myself with this and ended up with a life i don’t want. Healing seems complex but hopeful I can beat this.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I, like many others am very avoidant & just got out of a very painful break up (with an anxious). So many things on UA-cam attack avoidants & makes it seem like we’re cruel & hopeless. Thank you for this wonderful video, your great understanding, knowledge, & compassion toward us. & thank you for showing us there is hope to heal to secure attachment styles. I am so grateful for this video ❤️❤️❤️
"Healing from avoidant to secure attachment ".. It's greatly worthy. . Do thank you Doctor. . Everyone need to hear that. . May Jesus surrounds you with His endless love. .You consoled our hearts &;your messege is light & hope . .God bless you. .❤
Thank you, Dr. Maika. I've been exploring the world of Attachment Theory for about 9 months in an effort to get closer to a woman whom I am very deeply attached to but who seems to be of the Avoidant Attachment style. I've seen hundreds of videos on the subject and attended many hours of therapy 1:1 to try to help me learn more about myself and how I relate to those around me. Your video is one of the best. Factual and clearly explained without extraneous flourishes. Concise and helpful. Thanks.
Thank you so so much for this video ! It helped me understand why and how I am like that, realise that deep down I hate it. And gave me hope. Now I feel I can heal this avoidant part that no longer serve me. Even if I'm just starting this journey, you've already changed my life in such a beautiful and positive way. Thank you
7:49 I suspect that one of my unhelpful beliefs is "I won't get what I ask for". This comes not from being denied things, as might seem obvious, but from being told one actually wants something else, or one can only have what's on offer, or one can have what everyone else is having, or one must be grateful for what one gets. Or, perhaps, in other words, I don't know that it's possible to negotiate for what one needs.
I've been finding your content to be very helpful and thought provoking. At times good to watch a video twice, a week apart, to give time to process. I value your use of simple camera framing you use for focusing the viewer on what you are conveying. Finally the familiar transition at the end during wrap up is nice. I like the style you've developed. I am looking forward to continuing to grow myself and learn how others think along with your videos.
I hope healing for all the guys on here, but feels weird I don’t see other women here as avoidants. I always feel like an expectation that I should be better at emotion stuff. Only recently with therapy realized this applies to me. Explains so much. Took so long to find a good therapist. If you haven’t found one yet, don’t give up.
Statistically, more men are avoidants than women, so it makes sense you‘d see more men identifying with being avoidant in the comment section than women…
I'm 50 years old, found out about being a DA three, four years ago (apparently taking so long is quite typical). Now that I understand the mechanism, so much in my life finally makes sense, and I try to embrace the opportunity. But the thing is that I'm scared shitless about the amount of my denial, about losing the security of trusting my brain, about the constant prospect of self-sabotage. And the regret - or more the horror - of having wasted most of my life. I never had a long term relationship, and I miss it badly, but I also know how difficult it would be not to destroy it. I'm glad I'm over my denial, but it also shattered my self-image, my whole reality, and it makes me feel overwhelmed. It's hard not to drown in self-pity when feeling my feelings is a big part of making progress, and self-pity being one of the strongest of these emotions.
Hello Doctor, thank you sm for this Video. I never could form a long term relationship in my 23years, and I always worked on the reasons for what I believed were the causes for it I.e. money, looks, charisma, achievements . Even now after feeling relatively comfortable in those areas and things still wouldn’t work out, I realized there has to happen a change within myself. Thank you for covering this problem, I am hopeful and inspired that I can learn the tools to be more emotional and less avoidant to find a great partner.
So insightful! And so true on so many levels ! This video channel is so helpful and good at guiding through the trials and tribulations of trying to get a beloved avoidance partner to love and respect them selves as they said they didn’t respect themselves leading to him breaking up the most love and respect filled 3.5 month relationship we had last summer. Which set me off on a journey to make sense of the breakup as the relationship was free of any drama, criticism , fights and issues
I found my mind wandering when things were starting to make sense. I'll try watching again tomorrow. One thing that I do a lot to justify my detachment is constant rationalizing. I desire and crave interaction, affection, full self expression, acknowledgement, and love; but rationalize that it's not worth the risk of being hurt, or what's the point if everyone is going to go extinct within a couple decades from Climate Change or WWIII anyway..
Heck I have more from the betrayal side between manufactured consent, psychological warfare, contained opposition and counter insurgency strategy. Like humans are messed up. And lots of things done to not help. It is useful to know your core wounds and sometimes look at the things you learn and repreat easily that stick without effort, and kinda place those in categories of core wounds and what they are.
What if rather than rationalize you try to stay with your body? Feelings are always registered in the body: a racing heart, sweaty palms, muscle tension somewhere. You just stay with your body and notice what you feel instead of allowing your mind to spin stories about humanity heading nowhere. To be fair we are heading nowhere but delving in that is disempowering. Mindfulness and meditation really helps with rationalization. If you really wanna change then you really gotta help yourself and do the work necessary to create new neural pathways that'll change your attachment style. Good luck, friend. I wish you all the best because you deserve all the things you desire.
Oooooh, now I get it. And here I was thinking I have social anxiety, being an introvert. I've just had an "Aha" moment and I want to thank you very much!
i know now thats why i divorced three times and still was ladled either a Fearful of commitment or just careless. my ooh my all that time i was just and Avoidant hapless and unaware. your input is greatly appreciated and i hope you get healed sharpish
At this point, I feel like I'm giving up on ever be different, that I'll ever trust anyone. Any time someone comes into my life, I ask myself "how long until I mess this up?" I have no friends. It just seems safer that way. I don't like it, but I struggle to really understand how to change. It's almost like an addiction... pushing people away.
Could you do a video over anything to do with drug addictions? Either addicts themselves or people who care for addicts. Id love to hear what you think about that subject. Big fan of your videos and what you do!
Oh, by the way, have you seen this one yet: How To Stop Numbing / Repressing Feelings &Emotions With Busyness, Alcohol, Drugs, Sugar Or Worrying ua-cam.com/video/SZDg7gMCp7g/v-deo.html
I luv you😊❤,wished i met you sooner😁you do really care and i feel it, nice to meet you😊🌹🌻🌹🌻you re a sun flower in my life😊.i felt so much better watching this thank you😁.
I learned I was avoidant attachment when I was 25. I had been in therapy since I was 20 I am now almost 60 and I’ve lived alone since I was 15 years old. I don’t see myself changing I don’t see that there’s really any way to change and when I have tried to get close to people they’ve almost always been the same kind of sociopaths as my parents. My mother loved to tell the story of how I never cried in my crib I just lay there and she never knew when I was awake. She thought it was awesome I never cried.
That is awful. It really is true though, that predatory types of people can tell who they can manipulate easier, and then do so. It's not like they show their true colours from the start either, so can't easily just avoid them.
I've noticed for myself the biggest area of change is learning to express myself so I can set boundaries and consequences for others. It's the hardest part because I hate feeling emotions or being vulnerable especially with narcissists or abusive/toxic people. But it's sort of become a litmus test of whether or not the person will be like my childhood family or not. Do they respect the boundary or do they guilt trip?
I think that one of my unhelpful beliefs is that I can't get what I want. This belief does not stem from the child being denied things, but from being told one actually wants something else. One never learns that it's possible to negotiate for what one wants.
Great question. Any change does start with observation and awareness. I explain how to do that in this video: ua-cam.com/video/iFVOahSFvAw/v-deo.html and this one ua-cam.com/video/2hCgh0uhzj4/v-deo.html
I've got two videos coming on anxious attachment in the next few weeks. I'll take note of your interest in disorganized attachment, too. It's relatively rare compared to the others, but probably also good to share information on it nevertheless...
How do these traits fall in with ADHD as well? Meaning could ADHD be utilized as a perfect block to further avoid? ADHD people can be sweetly ADHD quirky… but still be securely attached right? Can one get mistaken for the other? Such as justifying and rejection sensitivity? Thank you. You’re videos are so concise and clear and enjoyed!
Excellent Question, well Rounded and comprehensive? I'm adhded and wish the Dr can help us in this regard with your important dynamic with ADHD in respect
Yes people with ADHD can be securely attached. They can have any kind of attachment. They often struggle more with certain aspects of secure attachment like staying in contact even when someone isn’t physically present, but they can be securely attached. I think the two can get confused or mistaken for the other 💯.
@@DrMaikaSteinborn thank you so much for answering Maika. So appreciated. I’ve been binge watching your content. You are excellent! I love the way you explain. Thank you for these videos. A great help to my life and others! Have a great day. 🤗
@@DrMaikaSteinborn Thank you Dr Maika. i certainly struggle with aspects of secure attachment like staying in contact even when someone isn't physically present -- I certainly behave this way because I have this blindness as if though i have all the time I will be in contact again. so sometimes i confuse it with Avoidant Attachment. I'm learning fast and I'm glad and grateful to you because i am going deep as far as to healing my inner child and you are sooo soothing my soul in many good ways. Thank you😅
Yes, that's a very common backstory for avoidant attachment - a child feeling overwhelmed by the misplaced expectations and high demands of a parent and then withdrawing/avoiding as a coping mechanism.
I just broke up with my boyfriend because all of this as I express my feelings and frustration to him as how he was been pushing me away and distancing himself from me and the relationship. I want to be with him and not just give up but he needs to work on himself and do what it takes to overcome this issue of avoiding his feelings. I want to help him and be by his side even though I was hurt by him and the lack of communication. Idk what to do or if I should just stay away from him and let it be.
I have seen so much material on avoidant attachment. This one comes across as the most sensible and sensitive. But one thing the partners of avoidants need to be aware is not lose themselves trying to save an avoidant partner. Coz avoidants are too good at logic and thinking ahead without any emotions they unknowingly or knowing tend to take advantage of our kindness and empathy towards their situation. And before we know the avoidant would have taken away our identity self worth drained us emotionally and financially and disappeared ghosting us. Bottom line if you are with an avoidant be more aware of your boundaries than meeting their needs.
I'd like to add to that: when someone is "just" avoidant, they're not narcissitic or antisocial or sociopathic... My impression is a lot of people who made experiences with the latter throw these experiences into the same pot as "avoidant attachment" which makes avoidants seem a lot more dangerous than they are when they're "just" avoidant...
The Affirmations completely broke my dam, im slowly deconstructing this filter. After my brake up, only recently i began to Understand what was missing, now i completely Understand what went wrong in our Relationship, Its so unfortunate, i didnt know better,I was such a prick, she is now with someone else, and i really hope they find Happiness.
The thing I hate about all of these 'heal your avoidant attachment style' is that they always relate to being in a relationship, how to relate to your partner better. I haven't been on a date in 10 years. I'm a middle aged man and the longest relationship I've ever been in was about 4 months. I would say that if someone is already in a relationship, then they probably aren't very avoidant in the first place. Make videos for those of us who chronically lonely and don't know how to get out.
Good video topic idea, this is very relevant. Would it be possible for you to share your perspective on how come you're stuck in loneliness/not been on dates?
Are there any other relationships in your life that might allow you to practice things like emotional vulnerability or expressing needs? I struggle with a similar situation and somewhat agree with your assessment. Tbh, these videos really helped me understand my thoughts and feelings in situations including friends, family or coworkers. While a partnership is probably where attachment wounds show up the most, working on relational issues is possible outside of it as well. Therapy can be exceptionally helpful as well, i can't recommend it enough. Dr. K of "HealthyGamer" has also published lots of content that might be interesting to people struggling with similar issues. His relatively recent collaboration with Dr. Honda of "Psychology in Seattle " on the topic of AvPD has been quite interesting to me.
Avoidants PLEASE get therapy. You traumatize people that fall for you. You ruin their lifes You damage their ability to trust and love for life. PLEASE heal yourself. It saves your life and everyone you connect with.
Avoidants don’t break you. Your fear of abandonment broke you. Your wound got hit. You should go to therapy and heal. Stop blaming others when a secure person wouldn’t be hurt like you are. From a fellow AP
I agree with above comment. You ruin your own life. Have healthy boundaries, and you won't need to blame others for your own decisions. You cannot send the whole world to therapy. You would still have to discern
I never learned anything about relationships, my mother never wanted kids but had me because of society. She lived her life like a single woman, I was left alone like 98% of the time, when my mother was home, she wanted nothing to do with me. She was very hypersexual and when she did have a relationship, it lasted no more than 6 months. I was never allowed to have feelings, and I was often called a whore for just having a crush on a boy. I learned to be as small and quiet as possible just to survive. I never learned how to just be a human, so here I am in my 40s only having 1 relationship with an interested in dating but having no interest in dating, mostly because I don't know how.
I definitely lean into the avoidant/ independent side and identified with many of the traits in the ‘are you avoidant’ video. I wonder how difficult this will be to resolve if also dealing with common neurodivergent related issues such as alexithymia. If you don’t even know how you feel about xyz then you can’t process it, share it and may struggle to empathise with others?
Neurodivergence and alexithymia can definitely make it more of a challenge, and it would be necessary to find tools to help there as well. I've seen and worked with neurodiverent people that were able to shift into a secure attachment stlye, though, I don't think it's impossible.
Why should I want to “heal” it anyway? I prefer solitude and a few good relationships by my standards while swerving any romantic attachment, which is stultifying and intrusive while offering nothing other than having my life hijacked. Nor do I feel empty or unfulfilled, it’s too much closeness which irritates the life out of me.
As long as you're happy, why even bother with a video like this? As long as you're up front with anyone you might want to date, so you keep it shallow and explain you don't want to meet any need for interdependence they might have, then that's exemplary behaviour. If you do all that, then you're an exemplary being because you don't get into situations that cause emotional attachment to lead to heartbreak.
No Contact Question: Am I breaking no contact if I open a text from him and it shows that I read it? I don't plan to respond but the parameters of our 6-month break and no contact are below. 1. I believe he's a fearful avoidant 2. We discussed our break and no contact before starting it. 3. We agreed to 6 months no contact - I have since learned that three months would have been a better start but I have not said anything to him. 4. We agreed to contact in an emergency and I agreed that I would be willing to talk to the therapist if the therapist wanted to talk to me. 5. It's already been a week and he has texted me this morning texted me this afternoon and has just tried to call me.
Did you talk about how you'd contact each other in case of an emergency (text, call, voice message)? ... If you agree to be availbe for emergencies or the therapist, that means you agreed to continue reading his texts or taking his calls to see if it's either of these cases, isn't it? ... Perhaps it would help to read the text and respond something like “This isn't the kind of emergency I had in mind and as I see it this text doesn't align with our decision to take a break and go no contact for that time. Please respect our decision, otherwise our break won't have the positive effect we're aiming for.” (If that's the case...)
As a licensed psychotherapist I can tell you: Therapeutic progress with severely avoidant attached patients can work ONLY WHEN: - they commit to 3-5 years of weekly psychotherapy - the psychotherapist is experienced and can detect and deactivate all their detachment related defenses and can also provides imagery rescripting focused on childhood emotional neglect If there are also narcissistic personality traits or NPD the progress will be SUPERFICIAL AT BEST - cognitive empathy can be enhanced BUT that also makes them more dangerous to manipulate and charm you YOU ARE WARNED SAVE PRECIOUS TIME AND LEAVE THEM ON TIME YOU ARE TOO BEAUTIFUL TO STAY AND ENDURE THIS
Pretty Depressing. what ever happened to humanistic sympathies you make it look like we are all doomed and unfixable. sorry i disagree and I'm good cause I have awareness and courage and Empathy. I'M AN EMPATH YOU HEAR THAT. I HAVE POTENTIAL. YOU GET THAT. I CAN LOVE AND BE LOVED - YOU COMPREHEND THAT?
The same for people with autism Asperger’s, because most of them live a single life, and are not married or live in a loving relationship, and they don’t seem to feel their feelings as I had a relationship with one who sometimes said: I don’t know what is good for me. I can’t feel it. They seem to have alexythimia emotional blindness. If you think the other people are crazy, and you can’t understand them, maybe you could have Asperger’s because these people don’t understand the Neurotypical. Probably there are more men which are not diagnosed and they don’t know they have it. But avoidant people can be also married, but keep their partners at distance by working too long or having hobbies they spent outside with other friends or alone or having other obligations trust not to feel the closeness and intimacy with their partner, so it is like being lonely together in a relationship/marriage
How do these traits fall in with ADHD as well? Meaning could ADHD be utilized as a perfect block to further avoid? ADHD people can be sweetly ADHD quirky… but still be securely attached right? Can one get mistaken for the other? Such as justifying and rejection sensitivity? Thank you. You’re videos are so concise and clear and enjoyed!
Yes people with ADHD can be securely attached. They can have any kind of attachment. They often struggle more with certain aspects of secure attachment like staying in contact even when someone isn’t physically present, but they can be securely attached. I think the two can get confused or mistaken for the other 💯.
The last line is the best line. "Before Avoidants can meet their partner emotionally, they first have to meet themselves emotionally."
Yes, that was interesting. If only we knew how.
True.
"Love means not burdening others with your needs and problems." That really hit close to home for me.
I feel like I could and should watch this every morning as a sort of mantra and reminder that every moment is an opportunity.
“Every moment is an opportunity." - love that!
"Every moment is an opportunity" - Jeffrey Dahmer
I like that. It reminds me of an exercise I did in a seminar "Be a walking Yes to everything." It helped me see how much my default answer was always no and I was missing out on living.
Same!
Is there any way I can help an avoidant? I was in a relationship with a loving, caring, considerate man for a year before he abruptly broke up with me in such a cold and heartless way. It was an abrupt discard which caused me indescribable emotional pain and heartache. My love for him has never faded and we now coexist in this half hearted friendship I initiated because I couldnt bear to lose him. This frequently results in physical intimacy between us (including affection and the closeness that only exists between a loving couple) but as soon as I'm no longer in his presence he goes back to being cold, distant and avoidant. I know I'm basically accepting breadcrumbs of affection off him which is a pitiful situation to be in but I've tried everything over the last six months to heal things and nothing has worked. I'd appreciate any advice besides the obvious statements such as "Let him go." "Run away and don't look back." I appreciate the good intentions but that's not going to happen. I gave my heart to this man and even though he's rejected it countless times... I truly can't let him go. I wish I could.
Thank you for giving us advice and compassion instead of demonizing us or calling us narcissists. A lot of us used to be anxious attachment style types and then one day got tired of other ppl being in control of us. I really wish anxious style types could understand this. We're not out to get you, we are trying to heal in peace.
I feel so seen in this comment. I see so much misinformation and misunderstanding of our motivations. I'm not emotionless. I'm not cold. I have deep strong emotions that I feel the need to protect. I want to connect with people but other people feel inherently dangerous to me. I need a lot of time and patience and consistency before I start feeling safe with someone. The same things that anxious people need but for some reason I get called a narcissist for it
Yup I used to be anxious and swung the pendulum to the other side. But even as an anxious person, I never *really* expressed my emotions, I just people pleased, suppressed, and fantasized relationships and always thought the best in others. I think I'm fearful avoidant now.
I love and adore an avoidant woman and I just wish her the best and hope she finds happiness. If by some miracle, she could heal, I would love to love her. But she’s like a ghost. So heart breaking. Thanks for putting this information out there
It's a matter of trust. And the betrayal of trust. And not having a safe place to be ourselves, resulting in a lack of self. A ghost can change, and solidify. A zombie (hurt people, unknowingly hurting others) or a vampire, draining your energy...can not.
Huge hugs to you.... This is ouchy stuff. It's traumatizing. You love her unconditionally. It's amazing that you love and trust yourself enough to had been real about it. That is of great value. You are of great value. I'm sorry she ghosted you in the end... it can be difficult when blame cannot be placed anywhere or on anyone.
Yeah I fell in love with an avoidant and we had the most amazing time together, not so much as a cross word. Just that it was too good, clearly. Too much love, too much intimacy, too much of all the good stuff, she just had to sabotage it.
I’m pretty secure and emotionally very strong, I ended the relationship after her first emotional shutdown. Heart breaking stuff but I have zero tolerance for emotional unavailability in relationships.
I’m here to learn how to avoid the avoidants in future, they are very hard to spot at the start. Now I would simply ask them right at the start.
@@cspace1234nz Same here. As an earned secure (originally anxious), it was hard for me to spot the avoidant in him. After both of us falling hard and having some genuinely good time together, he had to shut down and sabotage it. While initially my anxious self protested out of fear of abandonment, his neglect forced me to heal and become secure. Now, I have zero tolerance for emotional unavailability and have immeasurable empathy, compassion, and even a little bit of pity for him. I am ready for attracting secure energy in my life, and look at that as a learning experience. However, the way he treated me was surely a tough pill to swallow. Guess some lessons need to be learned the hard way.
Unfortunately, from my experience, they don't change. Thank God that I got out while I still have a few good years left!
I've realized I'm avoidant attachment. When things get tough I tend to run away. I worry about my autonomy being taken away and losing myself. Im trying to work on it now
This is a very brave comment
This video explains everything so clearly, thank you!
*Key point: Healing for the avoidant starts when he/she gains awareness of their condition.*
Realizing that not every child is encouraged to identify how they feel, and process those emotions..... "Teach your children well"...... ❤
This is one of the best and kindest videos on avoidants. Thank you❤ I’m in a longterm relationship and I’ve always known I’m an avoidant. I really do my absolute best to try and connect with my emotions, but I’m so so so so NUMB. I constantly keep trying over and over again thru meditation breathwork excercise etc etc. I see my wife’s beautiful qualities and all the lovely things she does for me but there’s no emotional component to that recognition. It kills me. It’s like being in paradise but not having the feelings to enjoy it. I just feel a strong need to be alone all the time and it’s fucking killing me, I am so tired. I am good with holding space for her emotions though, and I always do my best to be vulnerable, but telling your partner you don’t feel anything at all doesn’t really help with bonding or create a better connection lol… It’s so fucked, I know where this pattern came from but i just can not break it no matter how hard i try 😢
Emotions are so all over the place it’s draining enough to have that deep connection with one person but were excited to do it with dozens.
Wish we could treat emotions like a professional setting. Let’s show up do what we have to do be curious with one another and leave
Thanks, i’m 38 and also late to realise i’m DA..only managed one 4 year relationship in my late 20’s and avoided heavily since but now on a healing journey and will keep working until secure. The realisation and my past making sense is both enlightening and difficult to accept as I’ve hurt others and myself with this and ended up with a life i don’t want. Healing seems complex but hopeful I can beat this.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I, like many others am very avoidant & just got out of a very painful break up (with an anxious). So many things on UA-cam attack avoidants & makes it seem like we’re cruel & hopeless. Thank you for this wonderful video, your great understanding, knowledge, & compassion toward us. & thank you for showing us there is hope to heal to secure attachment styles. I am so grateful for this video ❤️❤️❤️
"Healing from avoidant to secure attachment "..
It's greatly worthy. . Do thank you Doctor. .
Everyone need to hear that. .
May Jesus surrounds you with His endless love. .You consoled our hearts &;your messege is light & hope . .God bless you. .❤
This made me balance tears.After realizing i do not have any emotional memory from my childhood.😢.
felt the same …tears came running
This really shined the light on my current problem, this is me. Thank you so much in making me realize what i am currently experiencing
Thank you, Dr. Maika. I've been exploring the world of Attachment Theory for about 9 months in an effort to get closer to a woman whom I am very deeply attached to but who seems to be of the Avoidant Attachment style. I've seen hundreds of videos on the subject and attended many hours of therapy 1:1 to try to help me learn more about myself and how I relate to those around me. Your video is one of the best. Factual and clearly explained without extraneous flourishes. Concise and helpful. Thanks.
Thank you so so much for this video ! It helped me understand why and how I am like that, realise that deep down I hate it. And gave me hope. Now I feel I can heal this avoidant part that no longer serve me. Even if I'm just starting this journey, you've already changed my life in such a beautiful and positive way. Thank you
🙏🏻 and 👏🏻🙂🙋♀️
7:49 I suspect that one of my unhelpful beliefs is "I won't get what I ask for". This comes not from being denied things, as might seem obvious, but from being told one actually wants something else, or one can only have what's on offer, or one can have what everyone else is having, or one must be grateful for what one gets.
Or, perhaps, in other words, I don't know that it's possible to negotiate for what one needs.
I've been finding your content to be very helpful and thought provoking. At times good to watch a video twice, a week apart, to give time to process. I value your use of simple camera framing you use for focusing the viewer on what you are conveying. Finally the familiar transition at the end during wrap up is nice. I like the style you've developed. I am looking forward to continuing to grow myself and learn how others think along with your videos.
Thank you for the feedback and glad to have you here!
I hope healing for all the guys on here, but feels weird I don’t see other women here as avoidants. I always feel like an expectation that I should be better at emotion stuff.
Only recently with therapy realized this applies to me. Explains so much. Took so long to find a good therapist. If you haven’t found one yet, don’t give up.
Statistically, more men are avoidants than women, so it makes sense you‘d see more men identifying with being avoidant in the comment section than women…
THATS THE SPIRIT...…..WOOHOO
This was exceptional. Thank you for speaking so clearly and concisely on this topic. Super helpful x
Would love this video series broken down a bit further into dismissive and fearful avoidants
Maika, you are a delight to look at and listen to.
u are one of the best therapist believe me!!
I'm 50 years old, found out about being a DA three, four years ago (apparently taking so long is quite typical). Now that I understand the mechanism, so much in my life finally makes sense, and I try to embrace the opportunity. But the thing is that I'm scared shitless about the amount of my denial, about losing the security of trusting my brain, about the constant prospect of self-sabotage. And the regret - or more the horror - of having wasted most of my life. I never had a long term relationship, and I miss it badly, but I also know how difficult it would be not to destroy it. I'm glad I'm over my denial, but it also shattered my self-image, my whole reality, and it makes me feel overwhelmed. It's hard not to drown in self-pity when feeling my feelings is a big part of making progress, and self-pity being one of the strongest of these emotions.
you’re only going go up from here this is your first life and you’re already making progress 🫶🏽
Thank you so much for the clear and cogent explanation. Also, the tempo of your explanation makes it easier to understand and digest.
Your voice sounds like angel ❤
Your video is very helpful for insight and your voice is very calm and soothing, thank you 🙏
Hello Doctor, thank you sm for this Video. I never could form a long term relationship in my 23years, and I always worked on the reasons for what I believed were the causes for it I.e. money, looks, charisma, achievements . Even now after feeling relatively comfortable in those areas and things still wouldn’t work out, I realized there has to happen a change within myself. Thank you for covering this problem, I am hopeful and inspired that I can learn the tools to be more emotional and less avoidant to find a great partner.
So insightful! And so true on so many levels ! This video channel is so helpful and good at guiding through the trials and tribulations of trying to get a beloved avoidance partner to love and respect them selves as they said they didn’t respect themselves leading to him breaking up the most love and respect filled 3.5 month relationship we had last summer. Which set me off on a journey to make sense of the breakup as the relationship was free of any drama, criticism , fights and issues
I found my mind wandering when things were starting to make sense. I'll try watching again tomorrow.
One thing that I do a lot to justify my detachment is constant rationalizing. I desire and crave interaction, affection, full self expression, acknowledgement, and love; but rationalize that it's not worth the risk of being hurt, or what's the point if everyone is going to go extinct within a couple decades from Climate Change or WWIII anyway..
Heck I have more from the betrayal side between manufactured consent, psychological warfare, contained opposition and counter insurgency strategy. Like humans are messed up. And lots of things done to not help. It is useful to know your core wounds and sometimes look at the things you learn and repreat easily that stick without effort, and kinda place those in categories of core wounds and what they are.
What if rather than rationalize you try to stay with your body? Feelings are always registered in the body: a racing heart, sweaty palms, muscle tension somewhere. You just stay with your body and notice what you feel instead of allowing your mind to spin stories about humanity heading nowhere. To be fair we are heading nowhere but delving in that is disempowering. Mindfulness and meditation really helps with rationalization. If you really wanna change then you really gotta help yourself and do the work necessary to create new neural pathways that'll change your attachment style. Good luck, friend. I wish you all the best because you deserve all the things you desire.
Clear, comprehensive and concise - liked and subbed.
Oooooh, now I get it. And here I was thinking I have social anxiety, being an introvert. I've just had an "Aha" moment and I want to thank you very much!
top man - i agree with you i was in the same boat.
You're a good speaker!
Thank you!
Wow I needed this more than you know. Thank you.
Wow! Kept me attached the entire video, wanting more .. not avoiding- watching from afar
Your content is always so practical and helpful! Thank you ❤
Glad it resonates with you 💛
Like others here said it I too think this is one of the best videos I have seen on this subject. Thank you! New follower here🎉
Welcome to the channel :)
I have been married & divorced 5 times. This video explains so much! I knew there was something there, but I didn't know what it was.
i know now thats why i divorced three times and still was ladled either a Fearful of commitment or just careless. my ooh my all that time i was just and Avoidant hapless and unaware. your input is greatly appreciated and i hope you get healed sharpish
Thank you for this helpful and easy to digest video.
At this point, I feel like I'm giving up on ever be different, that I'll ever trust anyone. Any time someone comes into my life, I ask myself "how long until I mess this up?"
I have no friends. It just seems safer that way. I don't like it, but I struggle to really understand how to change. It's almost like an addiction... pushing people away.
Could you do a video over anything to do with drug addictions? Either addicts themselves or people who care for addicts. Id love to hear what you think about that subject. Big fan of your videos and what you do!
I'm glad my videos resonate with you! I've noted down your request, although I get a lot of them and can't make any promises 💖
Oh, by the way, have you seen this one yet: How To Stop Numbing / Repressing Feelings &Emotions With Busyness, Alcohol, Drugs, Sugar Or Worrying ua-cam.com/video/SZDg7gMCp7g/v-deo.html
@@DrMaikaSteinbornall those things I do! Perfect, thank you so much for the recommendation
@@DrMaikaSteinborn PLEASE DO THOUGH. WE ( I ) APPRECITAE IT DR
I luv you😊❤,wished i met you sooner😁you do really care and i feel it, nice to meet you😊🌹🌻🌹🌻you re a sun flower in my life😊.i felt so much better watching this thank you😁.
Always very helpful 🙌
Very well explained 🙏
Can you do one on anxious attachment
Yes - already filmed it 🙂. I'll post one more on avoidant attachment next week, then two weeks for anxious attachment.
Avoidant attachment is also on a scale or continuum so it varies depending on the unique environment you have been raised in 🙏
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I learned I was avoidant attachment when I was 25. I had been in therapy since I was 20 I am now almost 60 and I’ve lived alone since I was 15 years old. I don’t see myself changing I don’t see that there’s really any way to change and when I have tried to get close to people they’ve almost always been the same kind of sociopaths as my parents. My mother loved to tell the story of how I never cried in my crib I just lay there and she never knew when I was awake. She thought it was awesome I never cried.
That is awful. It really is true though, that predatory types of people can tell who they can manipulate easier, and then do so. It's not like they show their true colours from the start either, so can't easily just avoid them.
Very sad. Your mother was "checked out". Never too late to change things around with your healing journey ❤
My mother would always brag about how easy me and my brother were to raise. Really we were emotionally neglected and just went inside ourselves
I've noticed for myself the biggest area of change is learning to express myself so I can set boundaries and consequences for others. It's the hardest part because I hate feeling emotions or being vulnerable especially with narcissists or abusive/toxic people. But it's sort of become a litmus test of whether or not the person will be like my childhood family or not.
Do they respect the boundary or do they guilt trip?
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Thank you.
Bravo. Thank you.
I think that one of my unhelpful beliefs is that I can't get what I want. This belief does not stem from the child being denied things, but from being told one actually wants something else. One never learns that it's possible to negotiate for what one wants.
well done as usual
Well done, this is brilliant. Well researched. Thank you.
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You give me Miss Honey vibes from Matilda. 🥺💓
aw, thanks :-)
I learned that I have the avoidance attachment a lt 43! 😮
How am I supposed to change that! phew!😢
Excellent presentation! I wonder how the avoidant can feel and observe himself, when he begins to lower his defensiveness?
Great question. Any change does start with observation and awareness. I explain how to do that in this video: ua-cam.com/video/iFVOahSFvAw/v-deo.html and this one ua-cam.com/video/2hCgh0uhzj4/v-deo.html
Can you explain all three, please? 😊
I've got two videos coming on anxious attachment in the next few weeks. I'll take note of your interest in disorganized attachment, too. It's relatively rare compared to the others, but probably also good to share information on it nevertheless...
@@DrMaikaSteinborn Thank you ❤️🇮🇹
How do these traits fall in with ADHD as well? Meaning could ADHD be utilized as a perfect block to further avoid?
ADHD people can be sweetly ADHD quirky… but still be securely attached right?
Can one get mistaken for the other? Such as justifying and rejection sensitivity?
Thank you. You’re videos are so concise and clear and enjoyed!
Excellent Question, well Rounded and comprehensive? I'm adhded and wish the Dr can help us in this regard with your important dynamic with ADHD in respect
Yes people with ADHD can be securely attached. They can have any kind of attachment. They often struggle more with certain aspects of secure attachment like staying in contact even when someone isn’t physically present, but they can be securely attached. I think the two can get confused or mistaken for the other 💯.
@@DrMaikaSteinborn thank you so much for answering Maika. So appreciated. I’ve been binge watching your content. You are excellent! I love the way you explain. Thank you for these videos. A great help to my life and others! Have a great day. 🤗
@@DrMaikaSteinborn Thank you Dr Maika. i certainly struggle with aspects of secure attachment like staying in contact even when someone isn't physically present -- I certainly behave this way because I have this blindness as if though i have all the time I will be in contact again. so sometimes i confuse it with Avoidant Attachment. I'm learning fast and I'm glad and grateful to you because i am going deep as far as to healing my inner child and you are sooo soothing my soul in many good ways. Thank you😅
You have a great style of talking
Can one become avoidant an emitionally distant father and a mother who got emotional needs through their son
Yes, that's a very common backstory for avoidant attachment - a child feeling overwhelmed by the misplaced expectations and high demands of a parent and then withdrawing/avoiding as a coping mechanism.
I just broke up with my boyfriend because all of this as I express my feelings and frustration to him as how he was been pushing me away and distancing himself from me and the relationship. I want to be with him and not just give up but he needs to work on himself and do what it takes to overcome this issue of avoiding his feelings. I want to help him and be by his side even though I was hurt by him and the lack of communication. Idk what to do or if I should just stay away from him and let it be.
Piękne słoneczniki w tle.
Epic content
It's a fleeting world - can you do something about it Maika
I‘m not sure I understand what you mean 🤔
@@DrMaikaSteinborn you cannot get hold of time - the moment - so how can one do his best living in the moment (a good topic to discuss)
I have seen so much material on avoidant attachment. This one comes across as the most sensible and sensitive. But one thing the partners of avoidants need to be aware is not lose themselves trying to save an avoidant partner. Coz avoidants are too good at logic and thinking ahead without any emotions they unknowingly or knowing tend to take advantage of our kindness and empathy towards their situation. And before we know the avoidant would have taken away our identity self worth drained us emotionally and financially and disappeared ghosting us.
Bottom line if you are with an avoidant be more aware of your boundaries than meeting their needs.
I'd like to add to that: when someone is "just" avoidant, they're not narcissitic or antisocial or sociopathic... My impression is a lot of people who made experiences with the latter throw these experiences into the same pot as "avoidant attachment" which makes avoidants seem a lot more dangerous than they are when they're "just" avoidant...
It's very hard for me, because especially feeling and showing unregulated negative emotions makes me very weak (in my own and others eyes)
It’s ok (often necessary) to regulate yourself before interacting…
This is an exact description of my ex boyfriend
I am still mourning the breakup!
The Affirmations completely broke my dam, im slowly deconstructing this filter. After my brake up, only recently i began to Understand what was missing, now i completely Understand what went wrong in our Relationship, Its so unfortunate, i didnt know better,I was such a prick, she is now with someone else, and i really hope they find Happiness.
All the best to you, too!
The thing I hate about all of these 'heal your avoidant attachment style' is that they always relate to being in a relationship, how to relate to your partner better. I haven't been on a date in 10 years. I'm a middle aged man and the longest relationship I've ever been in was about 4 months. I would say that if someone is already in a relationship, then they probably aren't very avoidant in the first place. Make videos for those of us who chronically lonely and don't know how to get out.
Good video topic idea, this is very relevant. Would it be possible for you to share your perspective on how come you're stuck in loneliness/not been on dates?
Are there any other relationships in your life that might allow you to practice things like emotional vulnerability or expressing needs? I struggle with a similar situation and somewhat agree with your assessment. Tbh, these videos really helped me understand my thoughts and feelings in situations including friends, family or coworkers. While a partnership is probably where attachment wounds show up the most, working on relational issues is possible outside of it as well. Therapy can be exceptionally helpful as well, i can't recommend it enough.
Dr. K of "HealthyGamer" has also published lots of content that might be interesting to people struggling with similar issues. His relatively recent collaboration with Dr. Honda of "Psychology in Seattle " on the topic of AvPD has been quite interesting to me.
Hi there! I created a video in response to your (and similar) requests - hope it helps! ua-cam.com/video/HqEGX9dVG6E/v-deo.html
Avoidants PLEASE get therapy. You traumatize people that fall for you. You ruin their lifes
You damage their ability to trust and love for life. PLEASE heal yourself. It saves your life and everyone you connect with.
Avoidants don’t break you. Your fear of abandonment broke you. Your wound got hit. You should go to therapy and heal. Stop blaming others when a secure person wouldn’t be hurt like you are. From a fellow AP
I agree with above comment. You ruin your own life. Have healthy boundaries, and you won't need to blame others for your own decisions. You cannot send the whole world to therapy. You would still have to discern
@@pumukkli ok but if i could make everyone go to therapy i would. But that's a different discussion lmao
I never learned anything about relationships, my mother never wanted kids but had me because of society. She lived her life like a single woman, I was left alone like 98% of the time, when my mother was home, she wanted nothing to do with me. She was very hypersexual and when she did have a relationship, it lasted no more than 6 months. I was never allowed to have feelings, and I was often called a whore for just having a crush on a boy. I learned to be as small and quiet as possible just to survive. I never learned how to just be a human, so here I am in my 40s only having 1 relationship with an interested in dating but having no interest in dating, mostly because I don't know how.
its easier to be alone as an avoidant, its been a long road
I hope you find someone to love and are able to heal enough to understand that love is a blessing and not a burden. All the best
@@johnarchluleta thanks, me too
@@Daneiladams555 you’re worth it and you’re enough just as you are.
@@johnarchluleta yes I know this, but in relationship I forget
Not easier really...but avoidants need love and kindness...they are worthy but were made to feel they were not
This is me! It only took one minute and 44 seconds. I am so screwed
So intuitive!
Will my suffering ever end?
I definitely lean into the avoidant/ independent side and identified with many of the traits in the ‘are you avoidant’ video.
I wonder how difficult this will be to resolve if also dealing with common neurodivergent related issues such as alexithymia. If you don’t even know how you feel about xyz then you can’t process it, share it and may struggle to empathise with others?
Neurodivergence and alexithymia can definitely make it more of a challenge, and it would be necessary to find tools to help there as well. I've seen and worked with neurodiverent people that were able to shift into a secure attachment stlye, though, I don't think it's impossible.
Generational curses.....Heal and reclaim your soul. ❤
Beautiful comment. Accurate poetry.
Fuck, that is me.
Stoicism matters.
I can't see secure as a worth while goal. So why would I work towards it.
Secure = less frustration, stress, anxiety, loneliness etc.
@DrMaikaSteinborn humans don't equal less frustration,stress, anxiety.
@@theresejames8826 But less loneliness for you?
@@DrMaikaSteinborn yes less lonely. Introvert. I will still need alone time.
@@theresejames8826 that's ok
Take care everyone 😂❤
Why should I want to “heal” it anyway? I prefer solitude and a few good relationships by my standards while swerving any romantic attachment, which is stultifying and intrusive while offering nothing other than having my life hijacked.
Nor do I feel empty or unfulfilled, it’s too much closeness which irritates the life out of me.
Spoken like a true avoidant. That's all good then, just stay the way you are, it's ok as long as you don't date/hurt anyone :)
As long as you're happy, why even bother with a video like this? As long as you're up front with anyone you might want to date, so you keep it shallow and explain you don't want to meet any need for interdependence they might have, then that's exemplary behaviour. If you do all that, then you're an exemplary being because you don't get into situations that cause emotional attachment to lead to heartbreak.
No Contact Question: Am I breaking no contact if I open a text from him and it shows that I read it? I don't plan to respond but the parameters of our 6-month break and no contact are below.
1. I believe he's a fearful avoidant
2. We discussed our break and no contact before starting it.
3. We agreed to 6 months no contact - I have since learned that three months would have been a better start but I have not said anything to him.
4. We agreed to contact in an emergency and I agreed that I would be willing to talk to the therapist if the therapist wanted to talk to me.
5. It's already been a week and he has texted me this morning texted me this afternoon and has just tried to call me.
Did you talk about how you'd contact each other in case of an emergency (text, call, voice message)? ... If you agree to be availbe for emergencies or the therapist, that means you agreed to continue reading his texts or taking his calls to see if it's either of these cases, isn't it? ... Perhaps it would help to read the text and respond something like “This isn't the kind of emergency I had in mind and as I see it this text doesn't align with our decision to take a break and go no contact for that time. Please respect our decision, otherwise our break won't have the positive effect we're aiming for.” (If that's the case...)
@@DrMaikaSteinborn Thank you so much!!
As a licensed psychotherapist I can tell you:
Therapeutic progress with severely avoidant attached patients can work ONLY WHEN:
- they commit to 3-5 years of weekly psychotherapy
- the psychotherapist is experienced and can detect and deactivate all their detachment related defenses and can also provides imagery rescripting focused on childhood emotional neglect
If there are also narcissistic personality traits or NPD the progress will be SUPERFICIAL AT BEST - cognitive empathy can be enhanced BUT that also makes them more dangerous to manipulate and charm you
YOU ARE WARNED
SAVE PRECIOUS TIME AND LEAVE THEM ON TIME YOU ARE TOO BEAUTIFUL TO STAY AND ENDURE THIS
Pretty Depressing. what ever happened to humanistic sympathies you make it look like we are all doomed and unfixable. sorry i disagree and I'm good cause I have awareness and courage and Empathy.
I'M AN EMPATH YOU HEAR THAT. I HAVE POTENTIAL. YOU GET THAT. I CAN LOVE AND BE LOVED - YOU COMPREHEND THAT?
Can you talk about if it's okay for an avoidant to yell at me. And mostly not hit me but just playing
Verbal aggression is not ok.
Can you tell more on what you meant by “not hit me but just playing”, please? Asking out of generous curiosity
Heal? Just need to protect ourselves from those crazy others. -spoken by one with an avoidance attachment style.
The same for people with autism Asperger’s, because most of them live a single life, and are not married or live in a loving relationship, and they don’t seem to feel their feelings as I had a relationship with one who sometimes said: I don’t know what is good for me. I can’t feel it. They seem to have alexythimia emotional blindness.
If you think the other people are crazy, and you can’t understand them, maybe you could have Asperger’s because these people don’t understand the Neurotypical.
Probably there are more men which are not diagnosed and they don’t know they have it.
But avoidant people can be also married, but keep their partners at distance by working too long or having hobbies they spent outside with other friends or alone or having other obligations trust not to feel the closeness and intimacy with their partner, so it is like being lonely together in a relationship/marriage
@@oliverabrajanovska9610 quick Dx there
Are players avoidants coz they lack feelings too?
Yes, many players are avoidants. (But not all avoidants are players!) It’s not that they lack feelings, though, they’ve just buried them far away…
As an avoidant I’m not gonna watch this video 😂
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We live in a Society. To survive, we have to rely on Duality for there to be room for emotional needs. Seems like they're a luxury.
It’s funny because I have this attachment style but I’m an infp 2w3
Same
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This is an exact description of my ex boyfriend
1:29
I don’t “feel safe”.
TY Narcissists
7:55 these days, if a man acts in line with these maxims it give women The Ick
...not all women 🙂
Even though the content is good, there's something really weird about this video. Someone please tell me it isn't AI.
Her delivery is stable and warm. If she is a robot, I like her humanity a lot ☺️❤
I think it is just choppy amateur editing, I notice it too.
maybe its her left (no, HER right eye) that's a bit droopy and not perfect for your highness. But that's what makes it real and perfect.
How do these traits fall in with ADHD as well? Meaning could ADHD be utilized as a perfect block to further avoid?
ADHD people can be sweetly ADHD quirky… but still be securely attached right?
Can one get mistaken for the other? Such as justifying and rejection sensitivity?
Thank you. You’re videos are so concise and clear and enjoyed!
Yes people with ADHD can be securely attached. They can have any kind of attachment. They often struggle more with certain aspects of secure attachment like staying in contact even when someone isn’t physically present, but they can be securely attached. I think the two can get confused or mistaken for the other 💯.