Books by professor Israel Knohl (affiliated links) The Messiah Confrontation: Pharisees versus Sadducees and the Death of Jesus Kindle amzn.to/3vMDMHi Paperback amzn.to/3WStBwI === The Messiah before Jesus: The Suffering Servant of the Dead Sea Scrolls Kindle amzn.to/3X9TLe0 Paperback amzn.to/3GXuNtf ===
Yet another extremely interesting and useful discussion. For students of the roots of Christian religion, it is hugely valuable to get these insights from eminent Israeli scholars like Prof. Knohl. Christianity was reified into something very particular and precise in the 3rd and 4th centuries CE; especially at the Councils of Nicea and Chalcedon. But those decisions and choices, made centuries after the life of Jesus, took the Christian religion away (in many cases, a long way away) from its roots in the Israelite religion of the 2nd Temple perod. The current task of scholarship in Christian history is to uncover, or rediscover those lost or semi-obscured themes in early Christianity when it was part of the diversity of belief in 2nd Temple Judaism, alongside Pharisees, Saducees, Essenes, Zealots, etc. Anyway, great work! I look forward to more videos in this series! שָׁלוֹם
Professor Knohl's talk is very fascinating and informative. He is very knowledgeable. I find his thesis to be quite persuasive. His use of sources from both the Hebrew Bible and from the New Testament is well-informed and illuminative. Previous to this talk I had never understood the tension between the messianic and non-messianic camps of ancient Judaism. With this perspective we can make much sense of the debate between the Sadducees and Pharisees and how it resulted in the crucifixion of Jesus. the professor's explanation of why the Pharisees were not present at the trial of Jesus makes complete sense. According to the synoptics, the trial was at night after Passover Sader. The gospel of John gives a different time frame but is dated much after the gospels of mark and Matthew, which must be closer to the original accounts. So going with Mark's account is wise.. Thank you for posting this. This history channel has a new fan from USA.
@@KEDEMChannel It brings up some questions now that I have considered the interview with Professor Knohl. If we look at the Gospel of Mark , early in the gospel the writer casts the Pharisees as plotting with the Herodians to destroy Jesus, due to his breaking of Sabbath laws (healing etc.). Despite this, as Professor Knohl points out, the death of Jesus is blamed on the Sadducees. However, in the gospel of Luke, the Pharisees are rather friendly to Jesus and even invite him to dinner a number of times. This is carried on in Acts as the professor has noted in the interview. These are very different views of the Pharisees being offered by the two gospel writers. I wonder if the professor has a comment on that. Also, why would the Pharisees in Mark want to destroy Jesus because he is offering a different interpretation of Sabbath laws? Is this truly characteristic of the sectarian rivalry of the time? Were things so deadly serious as to involve the destruction of teachers of other points of view? And as for the Sadducees at the trial of Jesus in Mark. Would the death penalty be a realistic penalty for blasphemy such as that offered by Jesus? Is this typical of the kind of action that might be taken by the Sanhedrin to silence those in opposition to their views? I wonder if the professor might comment on that as well. Wishing all of you a very Happy 2023.
Fascinating interview, thank you very much - I love these videos, and hope you produce more. Particularly the issues regarding the evolution of Judaism in the Persian/Hellenistic era, and the relationship between the early followers of Jesus and the Jewish community are wonderful.
This is the fourth of your presentations that I have listened to this evening!! Riveting stuff and i was so pleased to wait to hear discussion about the different timings of the Passover calendar. The links with Jesus and the Pharisee is clear throughout the synoptic gospels. The comment about the absence of Pharisees at the night trial was illuminating - i know the trial at night was irregular but had not connected it with the make up of the council and the suggested absence of the Pharisees. When the material from Acts was added it strengthens the interpretation. While the term 'Son of God' gets a lot of discussion - it is worth noting how little Jesus used the title, he made much greater use in the Synoptics of 'Son of Man'. This is much more mysterious and it would be good to hear the professor on this title. It obviously mystified the Pharisees in John. I cannot remember where I read it, but a wise rabbi commented on the use of Ps 22 in the Passion story - as a good Jew, Jesus was reciting the psalms - starting form the beginning and this was where he reached at the point of death.
After Jesus was crucified His disciples hid themselves in doors perplexed and disillusioned. They had though Jesus powerful in deeds and word was the one to redeem Israel. Then suddenly with great energy of movement they were found in the temple area teaching the people the meaning of this new life found in Christ despite threats from the authorities not to speak any more about Jesus. What caused such a radical change among those timid fearful disciples. Jesus had risen. He lives!
The Spirit of the Father gave them the power, wisdom, and strength just like it has since day 1. Not a man setting in the temple claiming to be the great "I AM". John 8, 2 Thess. 2:4.
Hometown of David: Bethlehem. Some descendants moved North and established a small village named Netser (Netseret) (Nazareth) (Isaiah 11:1; Matthew 2:23). (Branch from the same root: Netser) Yeshua: born in Bethlehem, grew up in Nazareth --- a true descendant of David.
Does the idea of a divine messiah king conflict with the Davidic covenant idea? It seems like the latter stresses more what a king does over what he is.
Jesus was the 1st sacrifice of Lev 16, the Day of Atonement. There is another sacrifice. Hardly any Christian comprehends this. Even Luke chapter 2 talks of 2 sacrifices, the arc of the covenant has 2 cherubs, there are 2 witnesses and 2 beasts in Revelation. Good luck getting anywhere with these facts while talking with a christian. They fell for the one written of in 2 Thess 2. I am revealing it to you now, 2 Thess 2 is about Jesus. Look how Christians acted towards women, Jews and other cultures and nations since they gained power.
There is no reason to think the anointing meant the king was immediately installed to power. David was around 15 years old when Samuel anointed him king in the midst of his brothers. He would be much older when he took the throne. There is every reason to believe this precedence is there just for a moment such as this concerning Messiah
Sam Arnow talked about this during his episode on Jesus. He even suggested that Saul of Tarsus was a member of the Sanhedrin who voted to convict and was more of a Zealot than just a Pharisee.
I think the "son" concept is not just metaphorical. If we are indeed created then it's not a far jump to talk of a nation being a son nor the ruler of that nation being a son.....without being immortal. There is also the credible thought of an afterlife.
Jesus spoke beforehand of His being lifted up which was according to Gods set purpose and foreknowledge. He never backed down from any testifying to the truth. At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.” 32He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 33In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day-for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem! 34“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, "how often" I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were "not willing". 35Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’
I still do not understand how can king Cyrus become the Jewish Messiah? To the best of my knowledge, Cyrus had liberated all the prisoners in Babylon and not ONLY the Jews. Not to mention that, IMO, he did it to gain the political/military allegiance of these different nations and not because he was so good.
Olive oil was a high value trade good at the time, they (the syroanatolians) used to mix expensive herbs into. The oil was a replacement for the authority granted by Assyria and babylon, petty kings gifted oils in order to give each other authority.
I´ve watched most of the videos on the channel by now. While knowing parts of the informations shown it comes together in a different way here due to the Jewish perspective. I am horrifyed by now. I was before but now even more. Hundreds of millions died for ideas that were compiled in a certain way. And many more will likely die because of this. And not only Christianity but with all likelihood Islam too. At least by the things I´ve learned about it. Worse, a lot of the global civilization(s) is based on this (I don´t want to use the approiate word now). And the foundations are built on sand. I don´t know where to start but something has to change. And that very fast.And religion is the rather small part of it. "Two half-truths do not make a truth, and two half-cultures do not make a culture." - never was Arthur Koestler´s quote more fitting when applied of this whole mess. Even if he meant it not in this way.
Many words were put in “Jesus’s” mouth. He did not say most, if any, of them. Honest words are softly spoken and rarely heard. There are no “chosen” people of God. There are people who choose to acknowledge, respect and love God. 🙏🏼
Books by professor Israel Knohl (affiliated links)
The Messiah Confrontation: Pharisees versus Sadducees and the Death of Jesus
Kindle
amzn.to/3vMDMHi
Paperback
amzn.to/3WStBwI
===
The Messiah before Jesus: The Suffering Servant of the Dead Sea Scrolls
Kindle
amzn.to/3X9TLe0
Paperback
amzn.to/3GXuNtf
===
Yet another extremely interesting and useful discussion. For students of the roots of Christian religion, it is hugely valuable to get these insights from eminent Israeli scholars like Prof. Knohl. Christianity was reified into something very particular and precise in the 3rd and 4th centuries CE; especially at the Councils of Nicea and Chalcedon. But those decisions and choices, made centuries after the life of Jesus, took the Christian religion away (in many cases, a long way away) from its roots in the Israelite religion of the 2nd Temple perod. The current task of scholarship in Christian history is to uncover, or rediscover those lost or semi-obscured themes in early Christianity when it was part of the diversity of belief in 2nd Temple Judaism, alongside Pharisees, Saducees, Essenes, Zealots, etc. Anyway, great work! I look forward to more videos in this series! שָׁלוֹם
Thank you, much appreciated!
The influence of platonism removed the christian message from it's core meaning.
You're right to an extent but the wider Hellenistic context is also super important
you are wrong - you should read Christian sources from the second century... you will find catholic Christianity there
Professor Knohl's talk is very fascinating and informative. He is very knowledgeable. I find his thesis to be quite persuasive. His use of sources from both the Hebrew Bible and from the New Testament is well-informed and illuminative. Previous to this talk I had never understood the tension between the messianic and non-messianic camps of ancient Judaism. With this perspective we can make much sense of the debate between the Sadducees and Pharisees and how it resulted in the crucifixion of Jesus. the professor's explanation of why the Pharisees were not present at the trial of Jesus makes complete sense. According to the synoptics, the trial was at night after Passover Sader. The gospel of John gives a different time frame but is dated much after the gospels of mark and Matthew, which must be closer to the original accounts. So going with Mark's account is wise.. Thank you for posting this. This history channel has a new fan from USA.
Indeed, glad you enjoyed it!
@@KEDEMChannel It brings up some questions now that I have considered the interview with Professor Knohl.
If we look at the Gospel of Mark , early in the gospel the writer casts the Pharisees as plotting with the Herodians to destroy Jesus, due to his breaking of Sabbath laws (healing etc.). Despite this, as Professor Knohl points out, the death of Jesus is blamed on the Sadducees.
However, in the gospel of Luke, the Pharisees are rather friendly to Jesus and even invite him to dinner a number of times. This is carried on in Acts as the professor has noted in the interview. These are very different views of the Pharisees being offered by the two gospel writers.
I wonder if the professor has a comment on that.
Also, why would the Pharisees in Mark want to destroy Jesus because he is offering a different interpretation of Sabbath laws? Is this truly characteristic of the sectarian rivalry of the time? Were things so deadly serious as to involve the destruction of teachers of other points of view?
And as for the Sadducees at the trial of Jesus in Mark. Would the death penalty be a realistic penalty for blasphemy such as that offered by Jesus? Is this typical of the kind of action that might be taken by the Sanhedrin to silence those in opposition to their views?
I wonder if the professor might comment on that as well.
Wishing all of you a very Happy 2023.
@@markjohnson543 Good questions.
Fascinating interview, thank you very much - I love these videos, and hope you produce more. Particularly the issues regarding the evolution of Judaism in the Persian/Hellenistic era, and the relationship between the early followers of Jesus and the Jewish community are wonderful.
Thank you, so glad that you enjoyed it. We'll bring much more interesting interviews soon, stay tuned :)
Israel Knohl has expanded my understanding of early Judaism. I've read many of his fascinating books.
This is the fourth of your presentations that I have listened to this evening!! Riveting stuff and i was so pleased to wait to hear discussion about the different timings of the Passover calendar. The links with Jesus and the Pharisee is clear throughout the synoptic gospels. The comment about the absence of Pharisees at the night trial was illuminating - i know the trial at night was irregular but had not connected it with the make up of the council and the suggested absence of the Pharisees. When the material from Acts was added it strengthens the interpretation. While the term 'Son of God' gets a lot of discussion - it is worth noting how little Jesus used the title, he made much greater use in the Synoptics of 'Son of Man'. This is much more mysterious and it would be good to hear the professor on this title. It obviously mystified the Pharisees in John. I cannot remember where I read it, but a wise rabbi commented on the use of Ps 22 in the Passion story - as a good Jew, Jesus was reciting the psalms - starting form the beginning and this was where he reached at the point of death.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it :)
After Jesus was crucified His disciples hid themselves in doors perplexed and disillusioned. They had though Jesus powerful in deeds and word was the one to redeem Israel. Then suddenly with great energy of movement they were found in the temple area teaching the people the meaning of this new life found in Christ despite threats from the authorities not to speak any more about Jesus. What caused such a radical change among those timid fearful disciples. Jesus had risen. He lives!
The Spirit of the Father gave them the power, wisdom, and strength just like it has since day 1. Not a man setting in the temple claiming to be the great "I AM". John 8, 2 Thess. 2:4.
Toda Raba for the great series. It is wonderful to hear from a range of academics talking about matters within their field of expertise. Awesome.
Thank you 😊 🙏
What an amazing and outstanding understanding and insight. I’ve just ordered his book. Many thanks 🙏
You are very welcome 🙏
Hometown of David: Bethlehem. Some descendants moved North and established a small village named Netser (Netseret) (Nazareth) (Isaiah 11:1; Matthew 2:23). (Branch from the same root: Netser)
Yeshua: born in Bethlehem, grew up in Nazareth --- a true descendant of David.
This was very interesting. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a man of incite and learning, such light shone on the beginnings of a new religion. Thanks Prof.
you ate this !!
Thank you for the excellent content
Thanks for watching!
Remarkable insights! Thank you!
Does the idea of a divine messiah king conflict with the Davidic covenant idea? It seems like the latter stresses more what a king does over what he is.
Jesus was the 1st sacrifice of Lev 16, the Day of Atonement. There is another sacrifice. Hardly any Christian comprehends this. Even Luke chapter 2 talks of 2 sacrifices, the arc of the covenant has 2 cherubs, there are 2 witnesses and 2 beasts in Revelation. Good luck getting anywhere with these facts while talking with a christian. They fell for the one written of in 2 Thess 2. I am revealing it to you now, 2 Thess 2 is about Jesus. Look how Christians acted towards women, Jews and other cultures and nations since they gained power.
@@briannielson1221
how they acted? not harsh enough imho.
Excelent video!! Congratulation.
Thank you very much!
Sorry I can't hear it! Fix the sound!
I do not hear a problem with the sound
Which Bible is being referenced?
There is no reason to think the anointing meant the king was immediately installed to power.
David was around 15 years old when Samuel anointed him king in the midst of his brothers. He would be much older when he took the throne.
There is every reason to believe this precedence is there just for a moment such as this concerning Messiah
Sam Arnow talked about this during his episode on Jesus.
He even suggested that Saul of Tarsus was a member of the Sanhedrin who voted to convict and was more of a Zealot than just a Pharisee.
Todah chaverim....... Tov Meod
Thanks!
A link to purchase Prof. Knohl's new book (affiliated): amzn.to/3Yo8O5k
I think the "son" concept is not just metaphorical. If we are indeed created then it's not a far jump to talk of a nation being a son nor the ruler of that nation being a son.....without being immortal. There is also the credible thought of an afterlife.
Jesus spoke beforehand of His being lifted up which was according to Gods set purpose and foreknowledge.
He never backed down from any testifying to the truth.
At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”
32He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 33In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day-for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!
34“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, "how often" I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were "not willing". 35Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’
I still do not understand how can king Cyrus become the Jewish Messiah?
To the best of my knowledge, Cyrus had liberated all the prisoners in Babylon and not ONLY the Jews. Not to mention that, IMO, he did it to gain the political/military allegiance of these different nations and not because he was so good.
He was the meshiah of those time...there is a "saviour" in every generation..according to jewish misticism..
High Priest rendering his own garments? Just symbolism?
I think olives oil is a code word for Manna.
Olive oil was a high value trade good at the time, they (the syroanatolians) used to mix expensive herbs into. The oil was a replacement for the authority granted by Assyria and babylon, petty kings gifted oils in order to give each other authority.
slay king😁😁😁
the man
I´ve watched most of the videos on the channel by now. While knowing parts of the informations shown it comes together in a different way here due to the Jewish perspective.
I am horrifyed by now. I was before but now even more.
Hundreds of millions died for ideas that were compiled in a certain way. And many more will likely die because of this.
And not only Christianity but with all likelihood Islam too. At least by the things I´ve learned about it.
Worse, a lot of the global civilization(s) is based on this (I don´t want to use the approiate word now).
And the foundations are built on sand.
I don´t know where to start but something has to change. And that very fast.And religion is the rather small part of it.
"Two half-truths do not make a truth, and two half-cultures do not make a culture." - never was Arthur Koestler´s quote more fitting when applied of this whole mess. Even if he meant it not in this way.
He has literally no historical basis for this view
Many words were put in “Jesus’s” mouth. He did not say most, if any, of them. Honest words are softly spoken and rarely heard. There are no “chosen” people of God. There are people who choose to acknowledge, respect and love God. 🙏🏼
The term " Son of God" is not the attestation to the divinity of Jesus. The term " Son of man" is.
So the son of a tiger is a lamb
@@iparipaitegianiparipaitegi4643, tell us you don't study the Bible without telling us you don't study the Bible.
@@iparipaitegianiparipaitegi4643
Read Daniel.
Alex has a marvelously funny Hollywood B-movie Russian accent.
Is it a good thing? 😊
@@KEDEMChannel You're being you so it's perfect!
The term " Son of God" is not the attestation to the divinity of Jesus. The term " Son of man" is.