Sad for me to say this today, but it takes a special type of person to not only admit they are wrong, but to identify exactly where, in detail, they were wrong, and provide proof that substantiates the other side's claim of how they were wrong. I appreciate this video for nothing more than that. I stumbled on this video, wanted to see what the deal was, got surprised, and I'm here to stay.
MUCH respect for being able and willing to admit a mistake and redo your work with the new information. Mistakes are a fantastic was to learn and being a man that can admit error will serve you well throughout your life. More people like this, please!
It is refreshing to have someone come back and admit they were wrong. I wanted to rage, but there were so many people after the SE dropped saying the same thing that I just dismissed it as misinformed. In the UI forums it is pretty frustrating too when people act like you can't use that switch. Throw in a few flex cameras, a hue hub, a caseta main repeater, etc. on that switch and it will work just fine as a perfect PoE switch solution, never saturating the switch bandwidth or uplink for that matter.
I appreciate you coming back and admitting you were wrong. I know my video was posted publicly, but I would have appreciated a heads up that you were going to use it and talk over it. It wasn’t 100% clear that it was my video as the way you talked over it, it sounded like it was you doing the testing. Other than that, I do agree with your other gripes about the UDMPro, forcing network and SSO is a bit frustrating for clients and even for us as managed service providers. I would like to be able to configure the device no matter where I am. Including without a current internet connection… Also, you didn’t butcher my last name like everyone else lol. Thanks Edit1: I now see your description where you posted the link to my video.
So, when we talk about the switch backplane capacity, this refers to the maximum throughput when the switch is fully in use. As such, begs the questions; a) What is the maximum throughput on the UDMpro/UDMproSE, when the switch is fully in use? b) Does the WAN port form part of the switch backplane ‘fabric’? Cheers :)
I noticed on the UDM-PRO it was 1Gb/s uplink but looking at the block diagram it is 2.5Gb/s on Rev3.1 between the switch chip and the CPU. Does anyone have information on the UDM-SE as to what revision and if it is 1Gb or 2.5 uplink?
it's basically a 8 port switch chip inside the udm pro,and it's basic job is doing at least 16 gig backplane 8gig uplink and 8 gig downlink between all 8 ports.for a 8 port switch, its a easy job nowadays.
You mentioned that UDM Pro's newer revisions have a 2.5GB Backplane. How can I check if mine is 1 or 2.5? (other than testing it, I want to know from model # or in the UI) Thanks!
The UDM Pro (not the SE) is 1Gb/s uplink, the only UDM Pro that had 2.5Gb/s uplink was the Early Access revision 3.1 but it also had the SPF ports linked in speed, so if one only ran 1Gb/s then the other was locked to the same speed. I hope we soon get info about the uplink speed of the UDM Pro SE
This video and admission caused to me to subscribe, because we all make mistakes. Despite that, few of us acknowledge that, and I respect your honesty.
Wow...I'd read this so much on reddit that I myself believed that as well. I bought a USW24 to go with my UDMP, and sounds like I probably could have done away with it.
Now how about the udm se? I read that all the speed is divided between the eight ports, kind of like you thought with the udm pro. I don't know what to read anymore. Reddit is becoming the new Craigslist lol.
I feel this is still wrong, or at least incomplete. Testing 4 ports is not enought to say that all ports have gigabit throughput. There are switches (though less common now) that when you fill up the ports and try to send 1 gb across all, that where they show the issues
So now I have a question. We have established concretely the 1 GB port on the back plate of the switch. My question is now. How are people achieving 1.2 gigs speed wired on UDM pro standard edition
They are using the SFP+ WAN port and forcing it to connect at 2.5GigE to a compatible 2.5GigE modem. Then they are able to get ~1.2Gbps download speeds. This is usually done with Comcast and Spectrum internet over coax cable. These providers overprovision by 20% to make sure the customer gets their rated speed to reduce complaints of not getting what they are paying for (and other reasons). It is not possible to get more than 1Gbps if using the 1Gbps WAN port or by using the built in switch. You would have to use the SFP+ ports for both LAN and WAN.
The biggest issue with the UDM Pro is that it cannot act as a controller for other networks / network locations. I have a company with 9 locations across the country, and basically if I want to upgrade and use Unifi Video, I have to upgrade all locations with their own UDM Pro. And thus, I will have to manually manage 9 configurations whereas before I could have one configuration with just 9 locations. Also, getting VPN setup between these locations is now.... well.... why use unifi? You have to do everything manually again. For professional network engineers no big deal probably. But managing my own company I feel Ubiquiti left me hanging. I'm stuck with all this old unifi gear, and cannot seem to be able to upgrade to video and access control without seriously damaging the functionality I already have.
If you have a company that has 9 locations you really should have them look at enterprise level gear. Ubiquiti really doesn't work well at scale, and the UDM pro can't do any high availability, something that is considered a basic requirement for enterprise level gear.
No NAT. So forget about assigning more than one public static ip. That means only one of the following. Email server, minecraft server, web server, dns server.....etc. what a waste of money. A 50 dollar asus router has better functionality. Not ready for market
Unifi is like the Apple of networking.. OooOo pretty.. colorful interface.. OOoO Ahhhaha... But.. Oh.. You're not gonna permit me to this.. Oh you're not gonna permit me to do that either.. Oh you've released a controller update where you killed off the features that I was using.. Oh you totally killed off support for a device... No thank you.. Been down the unifi path, been burned, won't trust them again. Offloaded my entire rack back to amazon at a loss and replaced it all with Mikrotik gear. The only piece of unifi gear I kept was the pro ap, but.. unifi's control over it had to go.. Trashed their firmware and tftp flashed openwrt. I control my devices now.... Not some corp pinhead at Ubiquiti. Same way with Cisco Meraki.. Stay away from that hot garbage too.
Sad for me to say this today, but it takes a special type of person to not only admit they are wrong, but to identify exactly where, in detail, they were wrong, and provide proof that substantiates the other side's claim of how they were wrong. I appreciate this video for nothing more than that. I stumbled on this video, wanted to see what the deal was, got surprised, and I'm here to stay.
agreed... I subscribed ! ;)
This is why I just subscribed to this channel
MUCH respect for being able and willing to admit a mistake and redo your work with the new information. Mistakes are a fantastic was to learn and being a man that can admit error will serve you well throughout your life. More people like this, please!
It is refreshing to have someone come back and admit they were wrong. I wanted to rage, but there were so many people after the SE dropped saying the same thing that I just dismissed it as misinformed. In the UI forums it is pretty frustrating too when people act like you can't use that switch. Throw in a few flex cameras, a hue hub, a caseta main repeater, etc. on that switch and it will work just fine as a perfect PoE switch solution, never saturating the switch bandwidth or uplink for that matter.
First video I saw of you. The way you owned up to your mistake and remedied the issue…instant sub
I'm just happy I can buy the UDM Pro SE guilt free thanks Jack
Whats the uplink on the SE?
No idea yet
@@blademan7671 2.5Gb
Much respect, THANK YOU for clearing this up! I had the same misunderstanding.
I have implemented UDP pro and with 500 client .. dies.
Doesnt support much users using DPI. :( HIGH cpu load.. and the network start failing
Huge props for admitting and then fixing a mistake ! ✌️🙂
I appreciate you coming back and admitting you were wrong. I know my video was posted publicly, but I would have appreciated a heads up that you were going to use it and talk over it. It wasn’t 100% clear that it was my video as the way you talked over it, it sounded like it was you doing the testing. Other than that, I do agree with your other gripes about the UDMPro, forcing network and SSO is a bit frustrating for clients and even for us as managed service providers. I would like to be able to configure the device no matter where I am. Including without a current internet connection…
Also, you didn’t butcher my last name like everyone else lol. Thanks
Edit1: I now see your description where you posted the link to my video.
I wanted to reach out but when you set a video to private, it removes all of the existing comments.
(Edit: I couldn’t get back to the comment to ask)
@@MillerTechnicalServices makes sense. I guess for the future I’d rather you had asked first. Not mad by any means just caught me off guard
I'm here for it. We all make mistakes and big props for getting the info out there. YOU DA MAN!!
what happen when you have 3 vlans and traffic has to flow between them on that switch? Does it bottle neck at 1G?
It bottlenecks at either 1 or 2.5 depending on which revision of the UDM pro you have. They quietly updated it shortly after it’s release.
So, when we talk about the switch backplane capacity, this refers to the maximum throughput when the switch is fully in use. As such, begs the questions;
a) What is the maximum throughput on the UDMpro/UDMproSE, when the switch is fully in use?
b) Does the WAN port form part of the switch backplane ‘fabric’?
Cheers :)
The switch can do full gigabit between all of the gigabit switch ports. It can do 2.5gb to the cpu (ie. connecting it to the router)
I noticed on the UDM-PRO it was 1Gb/s uplink but looking at the block diagram it is 2.5Gb/s on Rev3.1 between the switch chip and the CPU. Does anyone have information on the UDM-SE as to what revision and if it is 1Gb or 2.5 uplink?
The se model has 2.5gb wan
@@MillerTechnicalServicesSure, but that was not the question.
So the UDM Pro only has 1gig backplane and the SE can do more? Or they’re both good to go?
They’re the same.
@@MillerTechnicalServices both good to go for 1 gig for each port or 1 gig divided to each port? Sorry I was having trouble understanding
1gb port to port. 2.5gb all switch ports to the built in router. Except for the 10gb sfp+ ports.
it's basically a 8 port switch chip inside the udm pro,and it's basic job is doing at least 16 gig backplane 8gig uplink and 8 gig downlink between all 8 ports.for a 8 port switch, its a easy job nowadays.
You mentioned that UDM Pro's newer revisions have a 2.5GB Backplane. How can I check if mine is 1 or 2.5? (other than testing it, I want to know from model # or in the UI)
Thanks!
The UDM Pro (not the SE) is 1Gb/s uplink, the only UDM Pro that had 2.5Gb/s uplink was the Early Access revision 3.1 but it also had the SPF ports linked in speed, so if one only ran 1Gb/s then the other was locked to the same speed.
I hope we soon get info about the uplink speed of the UDM Pro SE
He's wrong. It *was* 2.5Gbps during EA, it's 1Gbps since release.
But I do believe there is only 1Gbit between that switch and the SFP+ ports?
Subscribed because I respect that you can own your mistakes. Well done!
Respect earned.
This video and admission caused to me to subscribe, because we all make mistakes. Despite that, few of us acknowledge that, and I respect your honesty.
Good video. Keep up the great work !!!!
In other news, when is movie night? 🤩
I might have to do a movie room tour...
Thanks for the clarification. I switched to pfSense and can’t see any reason to go back. Now, about that home theater…. :)
How will you be using pfSense? Whats the advantage over UDM Pro or SE
Wow...I'd read this so much on reddit that I myself believed that as well. I bought a USW24 to go with my UDMP, and sounds like I probably could have done away with it.
Now how about the udm se? I read that all the speed is divided between the eight ports, kind of like you thought with the udm pro. I don't know what to read anymore. Reddit is becoming the new Craigslist lol.
I feel this is still wrong, or at least incomplete. Testing 4 ports is not enought to say that all ports have gigabit throughput. There are switches (though less common now) that when you fill up the ports and try to send 1 gb across all, that where they show the issues
So now I have a question. We have established concretely the 1 GB port on the back plate of the switch. My question is now. How are people achieving 1.2 gigs speed wired on UDM pro standard edition
My guess would be the bits vs bytes conversion...
They are using the SFP+ WAN port and forcing it to connect at 2.5GigE to a compatible 2.5GigE modem. Then they are able to get ~1.2Gbps download speeds. This is usually done with Comcast and Spectrum internet over coax cable. These providers overprovision by 20% to make sure the customer gets their rated speed to reduce complaints of not getting what they are paying for (and other reasons). It is not possible to get more than 1Gbps if using the 1Gbps WAN port or by using the built in switch. You would have to use the SFP+ ports for both LAN and WAN.
Simple solution. Only use 1 of the 8 Gb ports on the UDMP and buy a dedicated Ubiquiti switch for everything else
Just get a sfp switch like a us-16 and you’ll have 16 10gbe ports
You’re not talking about the short you did for the udm pro se are you?
Yes he was talking about that short.
Yes I am.
The biggest issue with the UDM Pro is that it cannot act as a controller for other networks / network locations. I have a company with 9 locations across the country, and basically if I want to upgrade and use Unifi Video, I have to upgrade all locations with their own UDM Pro. And thus, I will have to manually manage 9 configurations whereas before I could have one configuration with just 9 locations.
Also, getting VPN setup between these locations is now.... well.... why use unifi? You have to do everything manually again. For professional network engineers no big deal probably. But managing my own company I feel Ubiquiti left me hanging. I'm stuck with all this old unifi gear, and cannot seem to be able to upgrade to video and access control without seriously damaging the functionality I already have.
If you have a company that has 9 locations you really should have them look at enterprise level gear. Ubiquiti really doesn't work well at scale, and the UDM pro can't do any high availability, something that is considered a basic requirement for enterprise level gear.
isn't backplane the new way of saying "fabric"? So it would be considered a fully non-blocking fabric....
Pretty much
SE should have come with 2 HDD slots
I'm curious about pulling that ssd and adding in a msata/nvme to sata adapter to do 2 hard drives.
That foam in the front corners are useless. Get something like GIKs Soffit Bass Traps, those work.
They’re helping cut down the reflections of the rear speakers in the back corners. It’s a night and day difference with/without them.
Switch* between the ports.
also allegedly UDM Pro cannot into IPv6. My friend was once furious about it. Changed to Ubiquiti USG because of it.
It is switching not routing
its forwarding when talking about a switch :)
Yes but it’s routing when you’re a 19 year old dipshit recording a video at 3am 😂
No NAT. So forget about assigning more than one public static ip. That means only one of the following. Email server, minecraft server, web server, dns server.....etc. what a waste of money. A 50 dollar asus router has better functionality. Not ready for market
Yeah that’s why no one really uses unifi for their routing
I had a UDM Pro, it went straight back to where I bought it from. I have UniFi AP's and they are good, but I am done with Ubiquiti in general.
Unifi is like the Apple of networking.. OooOo pretty.. colorful interface.. OOoO Ahhhaha... But.. Oh.. You're not gonna permit me to this.. Oh you're not gonna permit me to do that either.. Oh you've released a controller update where you killed off the features that I was using.. Oh you totally killed off support for a device... No thank you.. Been down the unifi path, been burned, won't trust them again. Offloaded my entire rack back to amazon at a loss and replaced it all with Mikrotik gear. The only piece of unifi gear I kept was the pro ap, but.. unifi's control over it had to go.. Trashed their firmware and tftp flashed openwrt. I control my devices now.... Not some corp pinhead at Ubiquiti. Same way with Cisco Meraki.. Stay away from that hot garbage too.
I don’t remember the last time I updated unifi. Too much crap
you do realize that Unifi was started by a former Apple engineer, haha.