I just posted a video of my old Beretta 1301 Tactical. I just sold it to get this. There are some advantages to both, but for a serious use shotgun, this M4 is awesome. Not having to modify the rail, source an adjustable stock or tube extension is great. This is the full package right out of the box.
I am lucky enough to have the 1301LTT and the m4 LE. Both are outstanding in slightly different ways and you can't go wrong with either one or both! However, I do tend to favor the m4. The gun is just more solid and confidence-inspiring for me. Also, I find the m4 controls to be easier for me to manipulate to get the shotgun into action. I hope you can get an m4 soon and enjoy it as much as I do?
These Gen 2's have been out for far longer than the last 30 days. I've had my Titanium colored Gen 2 with the 5 position adjustable stock for about 2 Mos and when i bought it i bought it off Armslist Unfired/New in the box from a private individual for $1600 cash
That’s a hell of a deal!! Yeah, I think they’ve been out a full year now. Why Benelli only shows the old 1014 on their website is a mystery to me. This update has all the feature people want / add to their M4, so it’s nice to have it fully equipped right out of the box.
@WalterRitchey Yes was a great deal, What alot of people don't know is the later production 1st Gen M4's already have a Gen 2 5 position buffer tube beneath the fixed stock versions, But finding a 5 position stock is nearly unobtainable, The early 3 position stocks won't work with the 5 position buffer tube, So to use a earlier 3 position adjustable stock on the Gen 2's one must install a Gen 1 3 position buffer tube
I’ve been tempted to pick one up just to try it out. I’ve heard great things about many of the recent Benelli clones. Friend of mine had a M2 and M1014 that his dad (gunsmith) polished up the internals on. Then tried a variety of Walmart cheap ammo to heavier stuff and says the run flawlessly and now his brother also ordered one.
I’ve got right around 1k through mine and it’s been mostly buckshot and slugs. No issues other than the optics rail coming loose which I caught on my initial inspection and cleaning. Been a great shotgun so far.
@@Tap02 that would be nice if everyone could afford a real Benelli m4 at close to 2k each but I would say the Mac 1014 is 90% of the benelli for 30% of the cost. Sure it’s not as refined as an actual Benelli but it works and hasn’t had any issues and if a 350$ dollar shotgun puts over 10k rounds down range, then that’s not bad. And as far as parts compatibility goes, I’ve got multiple parts for a Benelli M4 put in it and everything fit perfectly and install was relatively easy.
@@roostershooter76 specifically on the gen 2? This was a LE model and came exactly like this. Shotgun suppressors are starting to get pretty good looking, but so far I’ve only seen ones that install via choke threads, so I’m bummed about that. But I did also choose it for the smooth bore, because from what testing I’ve seen, the pattern buckshot better than an open choke does.
Well I got one on order my friend thank you for sharing it was hard for me to find also but I found one at guncrew pretty nice guys the service is tbd we will see how timely it gets to me. I hope it is fast would like to see the up grades you do sir
Looks like they added common upgrades, making it look 922r compliant out of the box. So, if you have a Gen 1 modded to 922r already, there isn't a reason to change to Gen 2.
Agreed, they didn’t reinvented the wheel. Just a long overdue update of what people were already doing. Nice to have it all ready to go out of the box for first time Benelli owner like myself!
Have you used a shotgun before? Stock isn’t extended far enough for your frame and you don’t have it squared up to your body. That thing is just knocking you around.
The recoil wasn’t great. I learned the hunter blades stance as a kid when we used to shoot skeet in 4H and then didn’t touch a shotgun for many years. I’ll try lengthening the stock and see if that helps!
@1sonjohn44 yeah I like my briley forend. It has more space, and uses mlok. I think it would be better than this proprietary forend that benelli is putting on their M4
During your reload, you are looking at the ground too much. Try resting the buttstock on top of your shoulder, and hold the barrel up more parralell with the ground whilst you reload using the violin method, so that you can better keep the threat in your line of sight/peripherals.
@WalterRitchey You're doing fine for self-defense. Unless you're using a competition set up on a competition course, the "John Wick" competition style of reload isn't your best bet for an engagement. Reloading from cover or at least concealment with your non firing hand is more important, to get the weapon back in the fight as quickly as possible, even firing from the low ready mid reload, should a threat interrupt you. Topping off as you go, before you're empty, etc. No one active duty is reloading an M1014 Taran Tactical style in CQB. Ultimately, do what you want, but I wouldn't worry too much about how you reload, as long as its done safely, and reliably.
Side note that the Mesa Tactical side saddle doesn't work with the new forend. I picked one up to go with my new Benelli M4 (LE model 11729) and the side saddle keeps the forend from fully seating. I took it off rather than trying to modify the side saddle to fit. I use my left hand to close the bolt.
Thanks! And you may try the Esstac Velcro cards. I trimmed a piece of Velcro for the left side of the receiver and use the 7rd cards. I can hot swap them and the reload them all later at home.
I’ll have to check on the SKU, but these do not accept chokes. There’s some interesting testing of fixed open bore barrels vs barrels with an open bore choke in it and how they pattern buckshot. It seems like if you don’t need to tighten the choke that you’re better off with something fixed. The cons would be that you can’t thread in a door breach muzzle device or a shotgun suppressor that attaches that way.
They include some picatinny adapters, but it almost looks like mlok, so O feel like they should’ve just made it mlok. To my knowledge they don’t make any accessories that directly mount to it, so it kind of defeats the purpose. But at least I can mount a light on it out of the box.
It’s super secure and cowitness great with the ghost ring sights. The draw back of this model is the tritium inserts make the sights a little harder to catch your eye in the light. I’ve got an astigmatism, but can still manage with the RMR. Mount is super secure hasn’t loosened up at all and handguard doesn’t interfere with it.
@@WalterRitcheyActually what I was asking was On mine( I have the same model as yours). It looks like the upper handguard tabs sit against the picatinny at the top. I was wondering if the picatinny is gone or replaced with the scalarworks mount do those tabs need to index with it so the handguard doesn’t move? I don’t have my rmr mount yet but that is why I was asking
@@Terry-do7hp oh my bad, yes you take out the screws that hold the picatinny on. Scalerworks includes all the new screws you need to attach the rmr to their mount and to attach the mount to the receiver. It wasn’t bad at all. Use a good screw driver though. The middle screw on mine was crazy tight!
i find this argument between the M4 and 1301 to be utterly useless. The 1301 holds 8 rounds in total the M4 holds 9. With these guns being so close in recoil, weight, size, speed, and price that extra round is the tiebreaker, and it's not a small tiebreaker it's a massive one.
The 1301 can actually be ghost loaded as well! The weight difference is pretty substantial. For me the big difference is the M4 is literally built like a tank which is what I want in a shotgun. The 1301 is more fun to shoot, but it’s all plastics and an aluminum receiver. I’ve looked at the new 1301 Mod 2 in store and from factory the Stock was installed canted which tells me it’ll come loose under recoil and can’t further just like I was fighting on my old 1301. A simple issue, but it was annoying and it’s not an issue on the Benelli. Both great shotguns. 1301 has some kinks still. The Benelli is proven so I made the switch.
Hey Walter just found your videos and am enjoying them! What are your thoughts on this Benelli M4 vs. The Beretta 1301 Gen 2??? It seems like there is a about a $400 difference, which would you take if you can have only 1??? BTW A comparison video would be cool since there isn't much out on the newer stuff!
I had a Beretta 1301 prior to the mod 2 and liked it quite a bit! It was incredibly lightweight, soft shooting, and cycled everything from cheap birdshot, buck, and reloads. I didn’t like having to modify it, but the mod 2 fixes all of the things I changed on my old one in the first place! I do think the controls of the 1301 are easier to use and just more ergonomic overall. The M4 is heavier and recoils more especially with the telescoping stock. The controls on this updated one are better than the original M4, but I still prefer the 1301 controls. I did, however, buy this M4 for myself over the new 1301. Partly for the looks, history, and knowing the reliability has been tested to the extremes. I don’t doubt the 1301 reliability, but you are comparing an all metal Benelli to an aluminum and polymer gun. It’s really personal preference in the end, but I’d say its weight and better controls on Beretta vs nostalgia and tank-like build of Benelli. Sorry for the long winded reply!
I don’t believe so, at least not at any major retailers. However, I recently saw a Benelli Super Nova pump shotgun with this same stock! Now, I can’t say 100% but there may be a way to swap the stock to a M4. Then you could always put a fixed stock on the pump and keep it or sell it, but that pump model I want to say was $650, which really isn’t a bad way to acquire the stock.
It almost bushed me backwards by the looks of it 😂 It beats you up pretty good. I had a limbsaver pad on my 1301, but they don’t make a pad that first this stock yet.
Just curious why. This stock has more adjustment positions, doesn’t have to twist to move, and it came on the shotgun instead of paying sometimes $500 extra for one on the gen 1. I see that as a pro. I do like the aesthetic of the original more, but find this update to be more practical in every way.
I sold my 1301 to fund the M4, but here’s a breakdown. The 1301 caters to what people want in 2024. You can mount what you want, controls are all oversized, ergonomics well thought out, very low recoil, very fast, versatile, just looks and feels great. The M4 is built like a tank - not that the 1301 isn’t reliable in any way, but polymer gun with an aluminum receiver vs the Benelli is no contest. The updated model I have here helps bring the M4 up to modern day with optics mounting, a rail, etc. Some have commented saying this shotgun kicked me around like a little girls and honestly it kind of feels that way too… Maybe it’s just training and fundamentals, but my 1301 with the Mesa Tactical stock and Limbsaver pad had no recoil. You could mag dump buckshot and it was nothing. I’ve had second guessed about whether I made the right decision or if I should’ve bought the newest 1301 Mod 2. I saw one in person last week and I noticed that brand new the stock / pistol grip was slightly canted and didn’t line up with the trigger guard. That was one of my gripes with my 1301. I wanted a pistol grip stock, Mesa Tactical is kind of the go to and what Beretta is using on their factory Mod 2 now. Mine always was coming loose on me. Looks like they still have some kinks to work out. On the other hand, the Benelli has none. You either love it or hate it, but for the price you’re getting the world’s toughest semi auto. They even have two pistons so hypothetically if it got so dirty that one piston malfunctioned it would still run with just the other one. That’s hard to knock. If I bought a second tactical shotgun, I would buy a M3 which is semi auto / pump convertible or an old school 90s M1 Super just because of how smooth they are and the cool factor.
It's nice, but I still prefer the plain model with the non-adjustable stock. Bought a two-round tube and Wolff spring, and that's it. Still trying to find a sling that easily threads through the provided points tho. If I ever care to get all "Rifleman" with any firearm, particularly with a mess-maker like a 12-gauge, it'll be because I shot the hell out of it for a long while. Slick tactical moves are NOT what's important. In a SHTF situation, that crap will be the first to go. That's Hollywood bullshit. Learn to shoot a firearm well with lots of shooting. Handling expertise naturally develops in the process. YOUR expertise...not some ammo-wasting speed demon's idea of it. Here's a visual: Remember Indiana Jones being challenged by that sword-twirling Sheikh (Indian) in "Raiders of the Lost Ark"? All the fancy, pointless moves intended to intimidate an opponent, but, otherwise, worthless? What did Jones do with that? Be Jones...
I was talking to a friends Dad who is retired SWAT. He ran a M1 14” for a long time. He believes the telescoping stock models to have more felt recoil. I am a big fan of the ergonomics, but it does feel harsher than the 1014 I shot before buying this one. That’s probably also just me not managing recoil well yet! I know keeping the shotgun fed is important, and while it’s true the speed probably doesn’t matter, it does help build some muscle memory and familiarity with the weapon controls. I shot Remington pumps growing up and then owned a 1100 and later a Beretta 1301. Both had slightly different controls than this M4. It’s intuitive, but still a little getting used to.
I agree that a lot of drills that people come up with are a waste of time and ammo, but you should still drill hard on the basics. For instance, "up" drills from the low ready are essential for basic proficiency. Shoot-one and shoot-two drills against a timer are great for 12-gauge. You should be able to shoot two on target from low-ready in less than one second, especially with an auto. You should also run port-load and tube-load drills until its muscle-memory. Time-standards for loading is probably less important, but the goal is to reach a point where you never fumble or stutter-step like you see at 3:50 in the video (no offense to the presenter as he said he's still working out the correct form, so props to him for still presenting).
You’re doing fine, sir. Just keep at it. As a youngster, I frequently could be found in the woods, and along a river, with my .22 LR Remington semi, or a 12-gauge with a variety of loads. Over time, it all became pretty automatic for loading, fast shouldering, and hoofing it, carrying the gear, through the thick. Don’t have the same available outdoor access these days (yet), but that’s what it takes. Ranges are limiting and run into money if you shoot often, as one should. Birdshot, for awhile, is helpful getting used to a particular cannon, and less expensive to shoot. Easier on the anatomy too. As far as the telescoping stock is concerned, the basic butt stock is perfect for my length of pull, and quick draw on the front post. The adjustable stock is adjusted once for your fit, and unless you’re sharing the M4 with someone of a different size, or you’re often wearing armor, it isn’t adjusted again. I just don’t see the utility personally, but, lotsa owners do, and that’s cool. Great video sir, and would enjoy more of them too!
Agree the new mod 2 is now m4 prices. You just convinced me to go with the m4 over the 1301.
I just posted a video of my old Beretta 1301 Tactical. I just sold it to get this. There are some advantages to both, but for a serious use shotgun, this M4 is awesome. Not having to modify the rail, source an adjustable stock or tube extension is great. This is the full package right out of the box.
I am lucky enough to have the 1301LTT and the m4 LE.
Both are outstanding in slightly different ways and you can't go wrong with either one or both!
However, I do tend to favor the m4.
The gun is just more solid and confidence-inspiring for me.
Also, I find the m4 controls to be easier for me to manipulate to get the shotgun into action.
I hope you can get an m4 soon and enjoy it as much as I do?
Great choice.
Never to dis a well-made Italian blaster, I added the M3.
That thing is special, AND versatile.
Nix on the 1301T for now…
Every legal citizen should be awarded one by the federal government for free
These Gen 2's have been out for far longer than the last 30 days. I've had my Titanium colored Gen 2 with the 5 position adjustable stock for about 2 Mos and when i bought it i bought it off Armslist Unfired/New in the box from a private individual for $1600 cash
That’s a hell of a deal!! Yeah, I think they’ve been out a full year now. Why Benelli only shows the old 1014 on their website is a mystery to me. This update has all the feature people want / add to their M4, so it’s nice to have it fully equipped right out of the box.
@WalterRitchey Yes was a great deal, What alot of people don't know is the later production 1st Gen M4's already have a Gen 2 5 position buffer tube beneath the fixed stock versions, But finding a 5 position stock is nearly unobtainable, The early 3 position stocks won't work with the 5 position buffer tube, So to use a earlier 3 position adjustable stock on the Gen 2's one must install a Gen 1 3 position buffer tube
Yeah.....suuuuure you did. 🙄
I got the Military Armament M1014 Benelli clone and have ran 10k rounds through it so far and it runs like a dream at a fraction of the price.
I’ve been tempted to pick one up just to try it out. I’ve heard great things about many of the recent Benelli clones. Friend of mine had a M2 and M1014 that his dad (gunsmith) polished up the internals on. Then tried a variety of Walmart cheap ammo to heavier stuff and says the run flawlessly and now his brother also ordered one.
I’ve got right around 1k through mine and it’s been mostly buckshot and slugs. No issues other than the optics rail coming loose which I caught on my initial inspection and cleaning. Been a great shotgun so far.
Save the money and buy a Benelli.
@@Tap02 that would be nice if everyone could afford a real Benelli m4 at close to 2k each but I would say the Mac 1014 is 90% of the benelli for 30% of the cost. Sure it’s not as refined as an actual Benelli but it works and hasn’t had any issues and if a 350$ dollar shotgun puts over 10k rounds down range, then that’s not bad. And as far as parts compatibility goes, I’ve got multiple parts for a Benelli M4 put in it and everything fit perfectly and install was relatively easy.
I’ll take one.
Does the Gen 2 accept chokes, or is it a straight cylinder bore barrel?
It’s a straight cyl bore - no chokes.
@@WalterRitchey I'm wondering why some people are showing theirs with the Breaching Choke installed?
@@roostershooter76 specifically on the gen 2? This was a LE model and came exactly like this. Shotgun suppressors are starting to get pretty good looking, but so far I’ve only seen ones that install via choke threads, so I’m bummed about that. But I did also choose it for the smooth bore, because from what testing I’ve seen, the pattern buckshot better than an open choke does.
Its better than a divorce lawyer in a marriage with a Karen 😢
Am looking for one right now I really like it calling my dealer tomorrow my friend
Well I got one on order my friend thank you for sharing it was hard for me to find also but I found one at guncrew pretty nice guys the service is tbd we will see how timely it gets to me. I hope it is fast would like to see the up grades you do sir
Am wanting a side saddle that has the Pettini rail am thinking and a good sling got a recommendation by chance
Looks like they added common upgrades, making it look 922r compliant out of the box. So, if you have a Gen 1 modded to 922r already, there isn't a reason to change to Gen 2.
Agreed, they didn’t reinvented the wheel. Just a long overdue update of what people were already doing. Nice to have it all ready to go out of the box for first time Benelli owner like myself!
922r is a fraud.
Have you used a shotgun before? Stock isn’t extended far enough for your frame and you don’t have it squared up to your body. That thing is just knocking you around.
The recoil wasn’t great. I learned the hunter blades stance as a kid when we used to shoot skeet in 4H and then didn’t touch a shotgun for many years. I’ll try lengthening the stock and see if that helps!
@@WalterRitchey just sub'd cause I like your attitude bro.
Briley makes a mlok forend for the M4 and it's more or less the same. I like it a lot.
@1sonjohn44 yeah I like my briley forend. It has more space, and uses mlok. I think it would be better than this proprietary forend that benelli is putting on their M4
I have the 13” Briley 3gun Mloc forend for mine and it’s sweet! I love this shotgun
During your reload, you are looking at the ground too much. Try resting the buttstock on top of your shoulder, and hold the barrel up more parralell with the ground whilst you reload using the violin method, so that you can better keep the threat in your line of sight/peripherals.
Great feedback, appreciate this!
@WalterRitchey You're doing fine for self-defense. Unless you're using a competition set up on a competition course, the "John Wick" competition style of reload isn't your best bet for an engagement. Reloading from cover or at least concealment with your non firing hand is more important, to get the weapon back in the fight as quickly as possible, even firing from the low ready mid reload, should a threat interrupt you. Topping off as you go, before you're empty, etc. No one active duty is reloading an M1014 Taran Tactical style in CQB.
Ultimately, do what you want, but I wouldn't worry too much about how you reload, as long as its done safely, and reliably.
Side note that the Mesa Tactical side saddle doesn't work with the new forend. I picked one up to go with my new Benelli M4 (LE model 11729) and the side saddle keeps the forend from fully seating. I took it off rather than trying to modify the side saddle to fit.
I use my left hand to close the bolt.
Thanks! And you may try the Esstac Velcro cards. I trimmed a piece of Velcro for the left side of the receiver and use the 7rd cards. I can hot swap them and the reload them all later at home.
What model# did you get? Can the choke tubes be swapped?
I’ll have to check on the SKU, but these do not accept chokes. There’s some interesting testing of fixed open bore barrels vs barrels with an open bore choke in it and how they pattern buckshot. It seems like if you don’t need to tighten the choke that you’re better off with something fixed. The cons would be that you can’t thread in a door breach muzzle device or a shotgun suppressor that attaches that way.
I didn’t know that the rail is proprietary, that sucks! I have a shorty gen 2
They include some picatinny adapters, but it almost looks like mlok, so O feel like they should’ve just made it mlok. To my knowledge they don’t make any accessories that directly mount to it, so it kind of defeats the purpose. But at least I can mount a light on it out of the box.
Is that scalarwork RMT mount pretty good? Does the handguard have to index with it to keep from moving?
It’s super secure and cowitness great with the ghost ring sights. The draw back of this model is the tritium inserts make the sights a little harder to catch your eye in the light. I’ve got an astigmatism, but can still manage with the RMR. Mount is super secure hasn’t loosened up at all and handguard doesn’t interfere with it.
My Scalarworks RMR mount has been great and cowitnesses really well.
@@WalterRitcheyActually what I was asking was On mine( I have the same model as yours). It looks like the upper handguard tabs sit against the picatinny at the top. I was wondering if the picatinny is gone or replaced with the scalarworks mount do those tabs need to index with it so the handguard doesn’t move? I don’t have my rmr mount yet but that is why I was asking
@@Terry-do7hp oh my bad, yes you take out the screws that hold the picatinny on. Scalerworks includes all the new screws you need to attach the rmr to their mount and to attach the mount to the receiver. It wasn’t bad at all. Use a good screw driver though. The middle screw on mine was crazy tight!
@@WalterRitcheySo o got mine on. Does your handguard move around a bit? Did it before?
i find this argument between the M4 and 1301 to be utterly useless. The 1301 holds 8 rounds in total the M4 holds 9. With these guns being so close in recoil, weight, size, speed, and price that extra round is the tiebreaker, and it's not a small tiebreaker it's a massive one.
The 1301 can actually be ghost loaded as well! The weight difference is pretty substantial. For me the big difference is the M4 is literally built like a tank which is what I want in a shotgun. The 1301 is more fun to shoot, but it’s all plastics and an aluminum receiver. I’ve looked at the new 1301 Mod 2 in store and from factory the Stock was installed canted which tells me it’ll come loose under recoil and can’t further just like I was fighting on my old 1301. A simple issue, but it was annoying and it’s not an issue on the Benelli. Both great shotguns. 1301 has some kinks still. The Benelli is proven so I made the switch.
Hey Walter just found your videos and am enjoying them! What are your thoughts on this Benelli M4 vs. The Beretta 1301 Gen 2??? It seems like there is a about a $400 difference, which would you take if you can have only 1??? BTW A comparison video would be cool since there isn't much out on the newer stuff!
I had a Beretta 1301 prior to the mod 2 and liked it quite a bit! It was incredibly lightweight, soft shooting, and cycled everything from cheap birdshot, buck, and reloads. I didn’t like having to modify it, but the mod 2 fixes all of the things I changed on my old one in the first place! I do think the controls of the 1301 are easier to use and just more ergonomic overall. The M4 is heavier and recoils more especially with the telescoping stock. The controls on this updated one are better than the original M4, but I still prefer the 1301 controls. I did, however, buy this M4 for myself over the new 1301. Partly for the looks, history, and knowing the reliability has been tested to the extremes. I don’t doubt the 1301 reliability, but you are comparing an all metal Benelli to an aluminum and polymer gun. It’s really personal preference in the end, but I’d say its weight and better controls on Beretta vs nostalgia and tank-like build of Benelli. Sorry for the long winded reply!
Are the stocks available for sale by themselves anywhere?
I don’t believe so, at least not at any major retailers. However, I recently saw a Benelli Super Nova pump shotgun with this same stock! Now, I can’t say 100% but there may be a way to swap the stock to a M4. Then you could always put a fixed stock on the pump and keep it or sell it, but that pump model I want to say was $650, which really isn’t a bad way to acquire the stock.
Dude, I gotta ask. What the hell is up at 0:45?
It almost bushed me backwards by the looks of it 😂 It beats you up pretty good. I had a limbsaver pad on my 1301, but they don’t make a pad that first this stock yet.
There’s no way in hell I’d buy the gen 2 over the gen 1. The stock swap was enough for me to say nope I’m going for the original
Just curious why. This stock has more adjustment positions, doesn’t have to twist to move, and it came on the shotgun instead of paying sometimes $500 extra for one on the gen 1. I see that as a pro. I do like the aesthetic of the original more, but find this update to be more practical in every way.
if i have the og version can i get the rail system separately
Yes, if you can find one of the rails, you can put it on an OG and you can put the OG handguard on the new one too.
Briley makes a very nice one. 3 Gun Mloc forend comes in 8” and 13”…
I have the second GEN H2O model. Great gun, but the finish on the barrel sucks!
M4 vs 1301 pls
I sold my 1301 to fund the M4, but here’s a breakdown. The 1301 caters to what people want in 2024. You can mount what you want, controls are all oversized, ergonomics well thought out, very low recoil, very fast, versatile, just looks and feels great. The M4 is built like a tank - not that the 1301 isn’t reliable in any way, but polymer gun with an aluminum receiver vs the Benelli is no contest. The updated model I have here helps bring the M4 up to modern day with optics mounting, a rail, etc. Some have commented saying this shotgun kicked me around like a little girls and honestly it kind of feels that way too… Maybe it’s just training and fundamentals, but my 1301 with the Mesa Tactical stock and Limbsaver pad had no recoil. You could mag dump buckshot and it was nothing. I’ve had second guessed about whether I made the right decision or if I should’ve bought the newest 1301 Mod 2. I saw one in person last week and I noticed that brand new the stock / pistol grip was slightly canted and didn’t line up with the trigger guard. That was one of my gripes with my 1301. I wanted a pistol grip stock, Mesa Tactical is kind of the go to and what Beretta is using on their factory Mod 2 now. Mine always was coming loose on me. Looks like they still have some kinks to work out. On the other hand, the Benelli has none. You either love it or hate it, but for the price you’re getting the world’s toughest semi auto. They even have two pistons so hypothetically if it got so dirty that one piston malfunctioned it would still run with just the other one. That’s hard to knock. If I bought a second tactical shotgun, I would buy a M3 which is semi auto / pump convertible or an old school 90s M1 Super just because of how smooth they are and the cool factor.
2 months later and i cant find this shotty anywhere
I bought the last one on primary arms last night haha
I bought mine from a seller on gunbroker. Just beware of any scalpers.
I just happened to walk into one of my local gun stores and saw it in the cabinet. Scooped it up instantly.
It's nice, but I still prefer the plain model with the non-adjustable stock.
Bought a two-round tube and Wolff spring, and that's it.
Still trying to find a sling that easily threads through the provided points tho.
If I ever care to get all "Rifleman" with any firearm, particularly with a mess-maker like a 12-gauge, it'll be because I shot the hell out of it for a long while.
Slick tactical moves are NOT what's important.
In a SHTF situation, that crap will be the first to go.
That's Hollywood bullshit.
Learn to shoot a firearm well with lots of shooting.
Handling expertise naturally develops in the process.
YOUR expertise...not some ammo-wasting speed demon's idea of it.
Here's a visual:
Remember Indiana Jones being challenged by that sword-twirling Sheikh (Indian) in "Raiders of the Lost Ark"?
All the fancy, pointless moves intended to intimidate an opponent, but, otherwise, worthless?
What did Jones do with that?
Be Jones...
I was talking to a friends Dad who is retired SWAT. He ran a M1 14” for a long time. He believes the telescoping stock models to have more felt recoil. I am a big fan of the ergonomics, but it does feel harsher than the 1014 I shot before buying this one. That’s probably also just me not managing recoil well yet! I know keeping the shotgun fed is important, and while it’s true the speed probably doesn’t matter, it does help build some muscle memory and familiarity with the weapon controls. I shot Remington pumps growing up and then owned a 1100 and later a Beretta 1301. Both had slightly different controls than this M4. It’s intuitive, but still a little getting used to.
I agree that a lot of drills that people come up with are a waste of time and ammo, but you should still drill hard on the basics. For instance, "up" drills from the low ready are essential for basic proficiency. Shoot-one and shoot-two drills against a timer are great for 12-gauge. You should be able to shoot two on target from low-ready in less than one second, especially with an auto. You should also run port-load and tube-load drills until its muscle-memory. Time-standards for loading is probably less important, but the goal is to reach a point where you never fumble or stutter-step like you see at 3:50 in the video (no offense to the presenter as he said he's still working out the correct form, so props to him for still presenting).
You’re doing fine, sir.
Just keep at it.
As a youngster, I frequently could be found in the woods, and along a river, with my .22 LR Remington semi, or a 12-gauge with a variety of loads.
Over time, it all became pretty automatic for loading, fast shouldering, and hoofing it, carrying the gear, through the thick.
Don’t have the same available outdoor access these days (yet), but that’s what it takes.
Ranges are limiting and run into money if you shoot often, as one should.
Birdshot, for awhile, is helpful getting used to a particular cannon, and less expensive to shoot.
Easier on the anatomy too.
As far as the telescoping stock is concerned, the basic butt stock is perfect for my length of pull, and quick draw on the front post. The adjustable stock is adjusted once for your fit, and unless you’re sharing the M4 with someone of a different size, or you’re often wearing armor, it isn’t adjusted again.
I just don’t see the utility personally, but, lotsa owners do, and that’s cool.
Great video sir, and would enjoy more of them too!
You flinch like a 7 year old girl.
Lol