Infinity Train Season 3 Sarcastic Summary
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2021
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Simon:
A great character, a terrible human being
The physical embodiment of "you hate to see it"
honestly simon was bad grace was worse in my opinon she manipulated every one around her to get what she wanted and then when she decided to do a 180 to be a better person fully expected simon to be on board when he wasn't because of years of her feeding into all his biases he snapped and was killed at the end not saying he didnt deserve his death but definitely wasn't the only one responsible
@@wander1139 to be utterly fair, this all goes back to Amelia. If she hadn't torn away 1-1, grace wouldnt have gotten it into her head that raising numbers was the goal.
@@LilOleTinyMe that is true but grace had already shown extremely manipulative behavior before that and also its not like Amelia purposefully led her down that path
grace led the apex to were they ended up the only difference between were they were at the end of the season and were they started was that grace wanted them to leave the train at the end
@@wander1139 didn't both Simon and grace started the apex?
Honestly Simon deserved to be stopped but I think this also shows how the train isn’t very healthy to people with dependent or weak mental stability. Simon needed to confront his issues head on and while the train does do that it also throws in a lot of high risk scenarios with little to no human people that to a young mind like Simon can obviously duck them up even more.
remember that at this time Emilia was in control of the train, so none of the passengers had an introduction which the pod that deposits them in their starting cars during season 2 (when one-one was in control) provides ( it tells people to work on getting their number down after they wake up, except for that old guy MT/Lake stole the pod from, that guy is dead.
Also F the cat
@@virginiafernandez6846 nah the cat is alright.
Amelia messed up
@@gerbenvanessen Fair point. An idea like the train only has a prayer of working if properly supervised. It does beg the question though of how Emilia was allowed to usurp One One in the first place. Not the best security where it matters!
For everyone who needs it
It's confirmed by the creator that Simon got on the train because he lost a spelling bee✨
I've been there, traumatic definitely XD
So he couldn't handle that he was wrong? Checks out
I literally spent many sleepless nights thinking about why he was on the train! Thank you so much!
@Keith Pillsbury true, maybe he had uptight, narcissistic parents that wanted perfection, much like Grace's.
@Keith Pillsbury That is a good point. We tend to be our worst critics at times. And sometimes we subconsciously make choices we think are good, but are just making things harder. I probably would have ended up on the train as a teen, myself. Fortunately I figured it out when I was 22.
The thing that really got to me was that after Simon's last talk with The Cat I believe that he understood how the numbers worked, he understood that someone with as high a number as Amelia was dangerous, and yet he still wanted his own number to go up. Of all of his phycological problems that... that scares me the most.
oh shit ur right
@DiaKorrus 18 cause when you're the scariest, nothing can scare you anymore
@@dragonheart1236 yet those people tend to be terrified of everyone, terrified of the day one won't be scared enough anymore.
@@dragonheart1236 they be scared of themselves
He never grew up properly, always had this childish feeling of having to be better than others. Control gave him a feeling of superiority, so he wanted to be the worst person on the Train, so that everyone would fear him.
The most disturbing scene in this season for me was Grace pulling the tape out of her head.
For me, it still was and always will be Simon's death.
that shit literally made me nauseous, while with Simon's death I was just "damn :/"
It was gross, looked like it was covered in puss.
@@derpstudios7500 That was probably grey matter.
I think that Grace's fakeout death was the scariest, since that caught me severely off guard. Simon's death wasn't as bad, because I'd already seen pictures of it while searching for the episode. I agree with Flarky that the tape pulling was the most disturbing
"And what can we say about him except -"
*cuts to cell block tango*
Me: Bold, yet accurate.
Honestly he could have been redeemed if he didnt push grace off the train.
@Mystic Digi I mean so is Amelia; like I think Simon's end is decently fitting if also deeply upsetting.
@Mystic Digi Scar (an actual serial killer) from Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood got a redemption arc. In fiction, all that's needed to get a redemption arc is a willingness to change. Which was why Simon didn't get one, and Grace (who was arguably worse at the beginning) did.
i got a na na na surprise ad before that so that was funny
Just like the song says "He only had himself to blame"
Ah yes, the season where two cult leaders and a were-turtle learn how to ballroom dance.
That's a great summary! XD
Don’t forget monke
I think the difference between Simon’s and Grace’s arcs was brilliant- they were both kids that encountered the train very young and lived on it for most of their formative years. They both became horrible people and rulers of a child cult- but Grace had more empathy than Simon. Due to the course of events, she could be redeemed. Simon, however, despite getting chance after chance, just got worse. The creators of Infinity Train were able to recognize that some people just can’t be redeemed, and Simon was one of them
Simon did get chances, but he didn't get NEARLY as many as Grace. He had chances, but those chances came too late for him to make the right choice. By the time they came, he was already warped beyond rescue.
@@dragonheart1236 It wasn't just his number of chances (and I'm pretty sure he did get close to the same amount, but he ignored them), it was how he reacted that got to me. He got violent and cruel and was refusing any chances he got, refusing to see anything past his own reasoning. Grace was shown to have tiny hints of empathy from the 1st episode of the season though. I think part of the reason Simon ended the way he did was his own personality. It's also partially Grace's fault, but ultimately it's his own because of the choices he made because he just COULDN'T be wrong. Even when he is told the truth straight to his face.
@@joyc.e.7511 Simon starts off as a kid with issues, who gets abandoned by the cat. He refers to the cat as "his Tuba" which implies they were very close. This likely gives him abandonment issues. Then enters Grace, a kid who doesn't know any more then Simon, but pretends she does. There's a very clear power dynamic between the two, in Grace's favor. She's the one in control, she's the leader. She's Simon's friend, the person he can look up to. She tells him what they're doing is ok. But then, after a while, it's suddenly not ok anymore, and Grace gets more and more upset for continuing to behave in the way they have always behaved.
Then, Grace lies to Simon. Grace, the person he trusts more then anyone, shows him that she doesn't trust him. The person he looks up to calls him a monster for doing the things she likely taught him to do. His mental state continues to deteriorate, and instead of trying to help, at each and every turn Grace does the exact thing to make the issues worse, until Simon snaps.
Is Simon responsible for his actions? Of course. But to deny the fact that Grace played a very large part in crafting his mental state is just wacky. She was more then just a little bit in the wrong. She was in almost just the same amount of wrong as Simon. The difference is, Grace, the one with the power in the dynamic, was able to change in time. Where as Simon, didn't, and for that, he got the Raiders of the Lost Ark treatment.
@@dragonheart1236 I didn't deny Grace's responsibility though. Her behavior, although also understandable because of her own issues, made his worse. She was being a horrible friend, though she didn't realize she was exacerbating his issues.
But it's not that Grace changed in time compared to Simon. Simon chose not to even consider changing. And also stooped to murder. That's the biggest thing about him that is irredeemable.
Grace slowly starts to understand denizens are people, primarily through Hazel, but Simon doubles down on his cruelty and belief, despite also seeing how human Hazel is and doesn't really show remorse? That's what separates him from Grace to me and I don't know how much that has to do with their power dynamic. Even if their dynamic was reversed (but not their personalities) , I don't think Grace would have gotten to Simon's point. I can't know for sure, of course. And I'm not trying to say that Simon's fate was unavoidable, but I am saying his personality (and subsequent personality disorder) played a part in how he ultimately ended up.
@@joyc.e.7511 you are correct, Grace probably would not end up as bad as Simon if roles were reversed. However Simon is an evil character that, didn't need to be evil. Right up to the end of his life, he was a scared child looking for control. A scared child, that when the chips were down, had only the Cat as his ally. The cat, who was the one who served as the first stepping stone in the road to his madness. Grace would seemingly know about Simon's issues with the Cat, but chose to ignore that. She does realize this later, to her credit.
All in all, Simon is responsible for what Simon does. But equally, Grace is responsible for what Grace does. And Grace's choices magnify Simon's issues to the point it leads to his demise. Simon lived and died, a scared child. And sometimes, scared children are the worst villains.
I’m not sure you realized this but this was Jesse’s song When I look at you I see me. When you enter the car you actually see his name on the sign. I just binged all three seasons so I remembered him singing it in episode two of season two.
Omg I know I always get annoyed by this but this is the most amount of likes I have ever gotten ever! I mean I’ve got like one or two before but wow! I just want to check and see if maybe like that one or two symbol but 61! Wow just wow! Thank you so much! I apologize for rhapsodizing.Have an excellent rest of the day!
Where's the timestamp?
3:57 "future kindergarten teacher"
now that's a scary thought
I mean, she’s great with kids and has a natural teaching ability. It’s just that her values are totally fucked up
I mean the season literally ends with her becoming exactly that
My girlfriend cries when the corgi died, when Metal girl didn’t get to go to the real world, and when tuba died, but when Simon died she was just like “eh”
I mean I practically cheered when Simon died.
So? I was OVERJOYED when Simon died.
Appropriate response
I LOVE the empathy you treat Simon with while still holding him responsible for his actions.
this. my exact thoughts summed up into one sentence
It's the best option. He is a tragic figure, with clear mental issues shoved into a terrifying and dangerous setting at a young age, abandoned, then shown a terrible world view that he internalized because it was from the one person he grew dependent on. Even at the very end he's not entirely evil and clearly very conflicted. He's also a bigoted mass murderer, a narcissist who can't stand being wrong about anything and doubles down when he's easily disproven about things. He is possessive, controlling, and entitled. He lacks empathy and has clear mental health issues. And while still young he is old enough to be held accountable for his actions, especially murder. It's good to acknowledge that he's not pure evil and he wasn't just born evil but brought up to be that way from his environment. But in the end he is still responsible for his actions and is undeniably an awful person.
Wow last time I was this early tulip still had a reflection
good one
I don't get the joke, would you please care to explain?
@@bluehairedemon for most of the first season tulip (the main character of season 1) had a reflection but after a certain episode she lost it and now she doesn't have a reflection
@@omarmoore5000 Basically she's a vampire now 😂
@@bluehairedemon and her reflection has an identity of its own called Lake 💃💃
I really loved that Grace disbanded the Apex and took herself off from power. If she just guided the kids to lower their numbers, she wouldn't really let them grow on their own, since they all had their own issues. Also, it would be weird if the cult leader and the one responsible for all the crap that happened STILL gave orders and was still in power by the end. Which is also why the story and particularly the ending of No Straight Roads pissed me the hell off.
Being helped to deal with your problems is a thing, therapists exist, but grace is not one, and that's why it's good she didnt try to be one
didn't she stay i charge at the end and just guided the apex to being better
But in NSR specifically the issue was Tatiana’s stubborness against rock, which got solved. NSR was effective aside from Tatiana’s EDM obsession, which again got fixed.
NSR's ending was more of Tatiana just needing to allow all music. It all basically means that everyone was wrong because if you really think of it, Mayday would have ruined everything from impulse. So it makes since as to why NSR stayed in business
@@PeeperSnail The problem with that is that it relies solely on Tatiana keeping her word and embracing other forms of music. Who's to say she's not going to go back on her word the next day and bring back her EDM-only empire the next day? Especially since Mayday and Zuke won't be there to stop her. That's why she needed to restructure NSR and concede from power to someone else.
I can imagine simon singing "I was meant to be yours, you were meant to be mine" to grace while going insane.
I love simon (as character not as a person), there where times I thought he would be the good guy while grace the bad guy. It was hell well written I was like "what a twist".
I'm not sure if he was redeemable tho
Someone made an AMV with that song for Simon.
@@rosykindbunny1313 omg really?
@@verdeamarillo4979 ua-cam.com/video/gnNTf0KrIpc/v-deo.html
@@olaolech5438 Wow that's exactly the one I was talking about... I thought there would be more than one.
He also adresses the big problem of "when is someone no longer redeemable?"
I think that Simon could have redeemed himself, but he choose not to, which marked him as unredeemable, at least not without outside help
Me: No character is beyond redemption! After watching shows like avatar and She-Ra i sincerely believe that everyone has the capacity for self improvement.
Infinity train season 3: exists
Me: *sits quietly regretting earlier comment*
Your still mostly right, everyone can be redeemed. Infinity train seasons 3's point is that not everyone is willing to do so.
I would say everyone deserves the chance to be redeemed and it is impossible to know if someone will be irredeemable until you try. This doesn't mean that someone can't double down a hundred times over and fail to be redeemed.
Everyone deserves a second chance, but Simon never wanted to accept the weight of his actions to even consider redeeming himself. He put himself deeper and deeper. And the way I see it, if YOU don't even want to change for the better, if YOU don't want to try making yourself improvements, and be willing to take in new information, the world will get you sooner or later.
@@Kiku91 Yeah I think the key word here is "second chance" not a freebe. You should get the chance to get better but that doesn't mean you will.
I mean they gave simon chance after chance to change. I thought grace was irredemable as well and they managed to redeem her.
"A term made up by a white dude to strip a black woman of her personhood." Ouch. That's far too accurate for comfort.
it's only technically accurate cause it was made for discrediting grace, who happens to be black, so not really
@@EkoBahamut "Technically" accurate is the best kind of accurate, to paraphrase Futurama. The facts are true, even if the story is far deeper.
If Grace was white skinned or a boy, Simon would still do the same thing.
@@DeathKitta but that doesn't mean that there aren't parallels to be drawn here specifically because of the races of both characters
Lol
I was legit burned of excitement for your jokes about the confirmation of season 4, I'm not disappointed
I love how they had to be edited in in like 24 hours
But it seams to be about two boys maybe even brothers.
So maybe we don't get Hazel and Emilia :(
@@Kino_Cartoon we won't I'm sad
@@verdeamarillo4979 well maybe they are people they meet. A group of 4?
@@Kino_Cartoon a group of 4 again would be nice. They also sound like adults?
So this is just Catra’s alternative bad ending
Underrated comment 🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Shit, you right. If Catra never had the moment where she decided to do something good and apologizes, she would absolutely die at some point.
damn.. you’re not wrong 😹
10:04 blaming everything on your shitty past can only go so far. At one point or another, you have to admit you are responsible for your own actions, regardless of it
Preview: I’m sold
Season 1: I SAID I WAS SOLD YOU DONT GOTTA BE THIS PERFECT
Season 2: JEEZ STOP BEING SO PERFECT PLS I LOVE THIS TO MUCH
Season 3: I- I- I CANT HANDLE HOW GOOD THIS STUFF IS
Now a season 4
I liked season 1
Careful. If you start to form a complex, the train might come and pick you up. And you'll never get off because Infinity Train is just that good.
@@verdeamarillo4979 great for you
Wow my comment has never got this many likes
"Redeeming cult leaders is a difficult task"
That's why just one of them survived
“Redeeming cult leaders is a difficult task”
Hey, a show about ponies managed to do it.
Edit: Dear God all I did was make one offhand comment about an MLP character, how did such a lively debate get started?!
My little pony did WHAT
Starlight is one of my favourite characters and among the reformed villains one of the most interesting in the show. (Her backstory was really dumb though).
kids shows amirite
Yeah except one show said you don’t have to actually work through your problems or prove that you’re capable of change to achieve redemption and the other is Infinity Train
@@sjstronghold9238
My problem is that starlight still uses her power to "solve" issues instead of working through it by emotional honest confrontation.
Just think about the two sister Episode or the episode in which she brainwashes all of the main six except for twilight.
She still uses force and only sloooowly started to change a tiny bit *after* people forgave her.
When you did something terrible and effected a lot of people, your fear of not being forgiven is not the only payment you have to go through.
You have to recognize *what* and not *why* you did something wrong and put in the effort to guarantee it won't happen again.
Starlight only learned about the "why" she was doing something wrong but she didn't really understand what of the things she did was wrong: forcefully controlling people to keep them close so they don't leave and do what she says. She admitted that she did something wrong but never truly learned what was wrong.
I actually really like Simon as a character. He's the best kind of villain. One who isn't evil for evil's sake, but rather the grown result of his environment. This allows viewers to empathize with him, and understand his motivations. However, he still becomes the villain because he still CHOOSES to double down and actively be cruel to others in an attempt to keep control. This makes viewers dislike him, and want him to fail, but at the same time we can understand he very likely developed a narcissistic personality disorder from BEING LEFT TO DIE AS A CHILD ON A CRAZY REALITY-SHIFTING TRAIN! We hate what he has become, because he allowed himself to become what he is. But we can still understand him and feel empathy. THAT, is excellent character development and writing. GOD DAMMIT WHY WOULD YOU CANCEL THIS AWESOME SHOW!!!???
last season: "I trust him with my life"
and how exactly did that go for you?
One thing I went over is that when Grace asks what she'd do without Hazel, Hazel replies "You'd die until you were dead". At first it was just Hazel, but after episode 10, she was right.
Without Hazel, Grace doesn't learn empathy towards denizens. Without Hazel, Grace must confront that she was a bitch and used others to keep herself happy and with other people. Without Hazel, Grace must confront what she did by herself and how she was horrible to the Apex, to Simon to probably all the denizens she injured and murdered over the years, and ultimately, herself. Without Hazel, Grace would not have shown sympathy to the origami cranes. Without Hazel, Grace might as well have been dead.
Yes, Hazel is right. Without the little girl's presence, Grace would've ended up dying because of the lies she spread.
Simon's story becomes even more tragic when you don't even know about his past life.
I hope he gets more development somehow in season 3
he had a really low number when he entered the train, the reason was that he lost in a speeling bee
@@anyavillanueva1137 How do you know it was because he lost a spelling bee?
@@cartooncottage2024 the Creators twitter
@Keith Pillsbury it was a joke ;w;
You'd think finding out Amelia was their so called conductor would've messed them up more.
"De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt."
Well, it did. Especially with Simon. So much so that he doubled down on everything he thought to be the truth and accepted no other perspective so that he could be right about everything; and was one of the factors that made him go full dictator
actually there is a real phenomenon in people that accurse when there world view is challenged its a defense mechanism it makes them get angry and switch to defense around the things they understand to be true
@@wander1139 Yeah, it means they're objectively horrible people.
19:48 which is ironic, because the train is supposed to be a metaphor for therapy and helping you deal with the emotional issues in your life. Heck, the train is supposed your free, extended therapy session that may or may not take place in a different dimension where time moves slower (< this is the "may or may not" part), seeing how Tulip at the end of her season got to go back home without despite spending months stuck inside the train with no signs of getting an earful from her worrying parents. You don't just get to vanish for months in the real world and get to return to your ordinary life just like that, even with a timeskip of a few months between when the leaves the train and her being with her parents. There's also Jesse who's safe to assume he's also been spending a significant amount of time on the train, days if not weeks, yet his family acts like he's only been gone for an afternoon. The clues are there
I don't believe the train is a metaphor for purgatory because purgatory is for those who are already dead and it's a place where you have the opportunity to be purified of your sins
But it has been confirmed (word of god and all that) that that's not true. Time moves at the same rythm in the train as it moves on Earth, so I don't see the reason to make up this theory
Tulips reflection is missing. Im pretty sure her parents would understand if she dealt with a literal magic train. As for Jesse correct me if im wrong but jesse only talks to his brother. When jesse boards the train again and disembarks again you can see his brother was extremely worried because he thought jesse would disappear again.
@@dallama2616 yes, he did cry, but immediately afterwards they were having casual conversation. As for Tulip, no, I don't think her parents would understand or believe their down to Earth, logical daughter went missing on a magical train
@@EkoBahamut when has it been confirmed?
@@floricel_112 Tulip literally does not reflect in mirrors. There's no scientific explanation for it. They'd have to believe her
you got a lot of mileage out of Simon's death. good lad.
You should've seen the subreddit when the finale came out.
I haven't seen that many jokes about a man being turned into dust since Infinity War.
19:30 "This isn't doubling down on bad decisions or running from guilt. This is a Narcissistic Personality Disorder; he *needs* to be right."
I can't tell if you read up on the shows writing staff on Twitter or if you're just really good at guessing right. Either way, I applaud you nodding to this little fact about Simon :D most other reviewers fail to bring this up.
who knows, maybe that's why he got on the train in the first place
@@floricel_112 he lost spelling bee which for person with NPD could be a problem.
Unfortunately not too many people are empathic enough to see things out of their own perspective
there is a LOT of stigma about personality disorders, and im always glad to see when people can acknowledge them as reasons (not excuses) that characters do what they do. book three is a tragedy. and it points out that the train cannot help everyone, and can actually be more harmful to people who need help from professionals. not everyone can sort out their issues on their own, especially in such a dangerous and unpredictable environment.
I’m so used to having all of my favorite shows getting cancelled before their end. It’s difficult to react when at least one does. Also, shoutout to the Gumball fans who also got their movie finale.
I thought the season finale was supposed to be the finale. Also, what's with shows getting a movie finale?
@@floricel_112 No, that episode ended on a massive cliffhanger. They were planning on the movie to give the show a big farewell.
Don’t think that finale will happen anymore with the CN downfall smh
Here’s what I want to learn from season 4: the ghoms. They don’t just exist outside the train cars, but we’re rather a creation OF the train. How else do you explain how Amelia got a hold of a programming orb that we know creates things for the cars that was capable of turning Atticus into a ghom?? What are they? What purpose did they serve?? Why do they hunt down passengers????
I actually think that denizens become Gohms when they die.
My thought is ghoms serve as the clean up crew and deference for leaving the train. They go after those who leave and those whose numbers get too high. But not all follow this programming because Amelia has been going around turning denizens into them. Leading to corrupted ghoms
im thinking that gohms are turned into denizens by the orbs.
The problem with ghoms is that they are deadly. Simon had a low number when ghom was attacking him. Tulip was chased back to the train, sure, but they kept attacking her.
But then why is there a programming orb for pretty much everything from Amelia's memories? The Hu-mon shop (from memories of when Amelia proposed to Alrick), the turtles (off her handkerchief), Alrick's voice applied to Aloysius, Hazel's memories ... Amelia acquired all of that somehow. So I'm hoping Book 4 will reveal how orbs are created.
Depending on your definition I think the word "manipulation" could be a bit strong for what Grace does in this season. Manipulation is usually something that someone does for their own gain, at the cost of others. Grace and Simon genuinely believed that 1-1 was a false conductor, and were probably thinking that they were really helping Hazel when they convinced her to join their cult.
I also dont think that Simon deserved to be killed, simply for the reason that I'm against capital punishment. This could be seen as a meaningless detail, but I often see discussions of this season mentioning how Simon was killed because he was irredeemable. I think this take is inaccurate, since given the right treatment, Simon could probably improve. That being said I do think the writers made a good choice in killing him off, as it makes for a more engaging and interesting ending. Anyway those are my thoughts.
I agree! I wasn't cheering when Simon got his comeuppance but that doesnt mean he didn't have it coming, I believe if he had been treated better, if grace hadn't lied and kept things from him he could've grown along with grace but sadly that didn't happen and its not exactly grace's fault
Tbh, I don't know if he could be redeemed once he pushed her off, cause it looks like he went through a complete break down. There's always a possibility I suppose.
Nah. He could be redeemed. Just none if the characters gave a shit to do it. All to cover for Grace's pos self
Bless HBO for ordering another season of this amazing show, I’m so glad we’re gonna get the Hazel and Amelia story we all need
I don't think it's about Hazel and Amelia 😭
@@rosykindbunny1313 could be but it seems likely from the structure they set up so far. As of now the characters that appear in the 7th episode of each season have been the protagonists of the next season, Lake was the focus of episode 7 in season 1 and Grace and Simon were the focus of episode 7 in season 2. Amelia and Hazel were the focus of episode 7 in season 3 so it seems pretty likely, I’d love if they continued the trend to connect the seasons.
@DiaKorrus 18 yep this didn’t age well, goddamnit hbo you brought our hopes up just to cancel the show
16:16-16:20
Oh, how this aged so, so poorly...
The universe hates Simon, just like the fandom.
Also, I love the consistent amount of jokes about Simon dying. It may sound sarcastic, but I'm serious. It never feels repetitive. This guy knows comedy.
Also also, Grace would be an amazing Kindergarten teacher.
What's funny about the turtles is if you pay attention there's actually a turtle pattern on Amelia's handkerchief. I didn't notice that the first time I watched
"Simon's an incel" was not the summary I was warned about
Anyways RIP Simon
when you think about it; how many kids just wind up dead on this train that's trying to teach them life lessons lol
Well, that can be a lesson in on itself....of SURVIVAL: either you wise, man up, or you DIE
@@floricel_112 get over your issues of loss, or get lose yourself!
I like how they dont try to pull shitty redemption for Simon like for almost every bad guy in nowaday cartoons
*cough* White Diamond *cough*
I think he did deserve redempetion, because everyone deserves one, but not everyone gets one, real life just doesn't work like that, the end is not always good
Is it really that common? I know people like to say it happens everywhere, but the only one I can really think of is Steven Universe and even then it was for reasons outside their control.
@@Twiggierjet I think thay Catras redemtion was really rushed bacause everyone forgot that she wanted to destroy like everything and everyone
@@truefrog4599 Ah. I would kind of agree then, they should have started it a bit earlier, but I wasn't really watching that show for Catra or Adora so it didn't really bother me that much.
It’s funny how hazel kind of looks like a mix of Grace and Simon.
I didn't know the tweets, I thought her mother gave birth to hazel and she got left on the train. And the song really made me thinks I was right.
What tweets are you talking about?
@@bluehairedemon the tweet of hazel being human or not, he says it in the video. I should have timestamp it.
@@ultraversestudios5059 a tweet is a post on twitter. This isn't twitter
I thought that too!! I don't use Twitter.
I wholeheartedly agree with simons analysis, and just to take a very cynical perspective of how his character should have been handled (which I personally think the way the show handled it was correct) is that the train failed Simon, as it is stated the train is supposed to help you work through your problems, and yet the catalyst for his journey was all in the supposed control of the train, with the denizens being the factors that caused conflict and ultimately led to the interaction that grace got involved with. The train exacerbated simons problems with situations that the train supposedly has control over (as the train creates the cars and denizens), and in that sense the train failed it’s supposed #1 priority, which is to help its passengers (in this case Simon)
This show is getting darker with every season. I love it. Also its nice to follow different characters every season..I think a few shows could benefit from that concept.
The Goofy scream over Simon's death never fails to make me laugh
"The Snyder cut of the Conductor" lmfao
Simon and Grace are great examples of how characters can be rescued from the brink or left to fall on a razor's edge.
Grace was outwardly more inclined to choose bad decisions and encourage people to follow her down, but because she grew up seeking attention and building followers, she managed to befriend Grace and learn from her to undo her toxic mindset, but with how much she already lied, the truth meant nothing to convince Simon to join her
In contrast, Simon was more sensitive and inward, abandoned by the cat and following Grace for security. But because he always followed Grace and didn't seek out other relationships the way she did, he had no intrinsic motivation to follow the right path, only seeing his friend "stolen" from him and doubling down on everything that used to work until he died for it.
Very little actually separated Simon and Grace and that makes their opposing journeys all the more fascinating
I love how often you showed Simon's death, very satisfying
Not really dude had a pretty tragic life
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 Oh ffs, no he didn't. He got on the train because he lost a spelling bee. That's it. Yeah he was abandoned by the cat, but that's no justification whatsoever for being a monster!
I would say it is interesting how the train in an of itself often has the ability to cause problems as much as it solves them. The train is not a perfect system of solving people's problems, hell it is barely a good system. I think book 1 and the first half of book 2 showed the train at its best, helping someone work through their problems, but the second half of book 2 showed its limitations in regards to denizens and the relationships passengers form on the train and book 3 showed what the train can do at its worst.
the train itself did nothing, it just is. It doesn't have a will of its own. Maybe a programming, sure, but not a will. It's the passengers who mistook its purpose
@@floricel_112 i feel like its a metaphor for therapy their are good therapist who can help you and bad ones that can ruin your life or put you on the wrong medication
@@privatehere3324 I already said that in one of my comments. Minus the good and bad therapist difference, cause I didn't think of it
@@floricel_112 I would say the train is an environment that definitely is intended to fix people's problems (see one one for evidence) but you are right it doesn't have agency. I would say just like you can say an environment someone grew up in can help or harm them I think the train can in the same way.
@@privatehere3324 I personally am not as much a fan of this interpretation mostly because I think even this gives the train to much credit. I think a train is closer to a metaphor for general trials and tribulations someone goes through in their life. People can either grow from their experiences or they can go deeper into their problems. Often this happens with no fault of their own but from the people around them. I would say the lack of intent is what distances the train from being a therapy metaphor. I would say it is possible to treat the denizens as therapist metaphors with Lake or Atticus being good therapists while the Cat is a bad therapist might be a closer approximation, but again I am not as much a fan of this because of the lack of intent in their actions.
Does anyone else feel annoyed that Grace said to Simon "I don't owe you anything"? Cause like...Simon's a horrible person, but that doesn't mean years of manipulating and belittling him and being overall a shit friend should be overlooked. She owed him a proper apology.
Okay this. This is what I've been looking to see if anyone else thought after finally watching season 3, because it's the specific part of their back-and-forth during the finale that felt like it undercut a lot of my enjoyment of it. The entire first part of the finale was about Grace acknowledging exactly how much what happened was because of her own actions, including a lot of Simon's development into who he was. And then in her trying to talk him down, she dances around her own what guilt she does have in the only time she mentions it ("I've made a lot of mistakes, *but* that wasn't one of them."), and then says she isn't responsible for him and doesn't owe him anything. Which is fair, ultimately Simon's decisions were his own and not Grace's, and to a point I can understand why their dialogue goes down the way it does. Grace literally just started processing her own baggage, and she's spent her entire life up to this point not acknowledging her own failings to other people or even herself, so a full-on apology could be a bit of a leap in her character arc. But having one there could have made the whole scene more satisfying by making it even clearer that Simon at that point was beyond any help that she could give him. Imagine Grace legitimately apologizing for what wrong she did do, and Simon still responding with "Another hollow apology, Grace?" Or responding to it by fully putting the blame for everything wrong with him on her. It definitely feels like that was what they were going for in that scene ("You owe me EVERYTHING!") , but just a bit more in Grace's lines feels like it could have helped sell that Grace had said everything she could and Simon still would never listen, at least to me.
@@SirCowduck Yes!! Really good analysis. I agree with you, a proper apology would still be a huge leap for Grace, and Simon still wouldn't have accepted it. I think it was how the scene delivers in its message that definitely felt off to me. Like it was prioritizing "you're not responsible for the choices of others" without acknowledging the nature of Grace and Simon's friendship throughout. Which in some ways is fair. Simon's choices were his own. There was still a lot of deliberate clues put into the show that Grace was a terrible friend for the 5 or so years they knew each other which just felt glossed over toward the end. She's not responsible for his decisions to hurt and kill others, but she is responsible for years of emotional damage, which I'm sure given time she will have remorse for. The final confrontation just didn't have the chance to follow through on that buildup. Oh well, IT is amazing but no show is perfect.
Yeah the line felt off to me. Saying that he is still responsible for his actions could have been gotten across in a different way.
the Simon death scene clip gets funnier each time
Simon got what was coming but that doesn't mean I'm not sad about it. I really wanted to see him and Grace be confronted with all the bad things they did and struggle to make it right. I'm glad that we are getting another season. I'm weirdly hoping for more heartbreak and for things to be much harder for them to get off the train than in the previous seasons 😊
Simon taught us an important lesson: Not all people are capable of change. Sometimes, they're just...born bad. And I'm glad he's gone, because people like him do nothing but inflict pain onto others.
"The would be main characters" still applies, since Book 4 is supposedly bringing in completely new leads.
Ah yes, my favorite show Chronic Steam Engine.
So...
Tte s25?
21:33 Simon has become the ultimate numerical lifeform.
I honestly am a bit flabbergasted that the show never touched on the whole... "locking hormonal teenagers together inside a cart for years on end" ordeal...
I mean, I can see WHY they don't touch that with an 11 foot pole but... it makes a really weird narrative gap...
For some reason, I don't think Cartoon Network would like that very much
@@LilOleTinyMe As said: I can see WHY. But would still be nice with some half-assed fluff excuse xP Like "All hormones are suppressed while aboard the train."
@@Kattlarv i would hope not. That would be horrible therapy. Imagine going through the teenage years without hormones then stepping off the train
@@LilOleTinyMe It's not like they... stop producing hormones after the teens. They'd basically just resume puberty when they got off.
It'd still need some sort of child-friendly solution imo.
@@Kattlarv what would happen is they would be flooded by the hormones they are supposed to spend years getting used to. It would be worse than puberty.
I'm very empathetic towards Simon because I get him, I'm also very bad with words and social interaction.
When I was younger I would often end up using violence becuase of my innabillity to use words instead, sometimes my frustration from not being able to express myself would lead me to violence.
I remember my mom used to say that a violent person is a person who has no other options left, like a wounded animal, and it just stuck with me.
I'm not sure what my point was, maybe I just needed to vent
So in other words, you were an objectively bad person, who feels bad for another objectively bad person who got what he deserved in the end. You need therapy, but men like you rarely if ever change.
You gotta have to wonder why didn't Grace just tell Simon to screw off AFTER HE KILLED TUBA.
It's hard to let someone go who has been living with you as your best friend for over 7 years.
Because she's still a manipulative idiot who wants to control everyone at that point in the show.
Because at the beginning of the season she implies (at least) to Simon that they got to get rid of Tuba (although she may not explicitely say to kill her) to take control of Hazel. She is then still in her full "cult leader" role.
When he does, Grace has already started to grow, but it's too late...
0:15 accurate description of college. Except the turtle part, they aren't allowed in campus
*im enraged to learn about this.*
I was legitimately watching the other ones yesterday and was like,"Where's Book 3?" AND HERE IT IS. CALL ME A WIZARD HARRY.
I adore this show because it doesn't take the "magical train that helps people" concept and make it like narnia or something, having no real effect on the world or on people's mental health, but instead it takes everything about the concept and follows it to it's natural conclusion. People die on the train. People can become worse on the train. People can start cults full of the children on the train. Instead making some arbitrary magical rules to keep things positive and "child appropriate" (in quotes cause i think this is a fantastic cartoon for kids) it lets things be real and I love that.
Simon's decline was the fault of grace, the cat and himself, but most of all, he had himself to blame since he was too dependent on others to tell him what to do, he was close minded and I think deep inside he knew this yet he didn't show any attempts at working on these issues.
Bruh when I found out it wasn't cancelled I full on sreamed in excitement.
As much as horrible Simon is he still was put on a train at a young age and was nearly killed and abandoned, doesn’t make up for what he did but he definitely has more to him than him just being a bad person for the sake of it, I’d like to see what got him on there in the first place, also I’m surprised his death scene got through censors like that
At the beginning I was expecting Simon to be redeemed (until Tuba RIP)
Take a shot every time he cuts to Simon's death scene.
"The wheels on the train go..." *THE MOST TRAUMIC SCENE*
I want to see more of Amelia and Hazel together so much. Also, this may be a stretch, but a moment where One-One recognizes Hazel's humanity? This seems unrelated, but I'm think of it as a continuation from his conversation with Lake. I thought Book2 was beautifully executed, but it always kind of bugged me that One-One got away with just casually giving Lake their exit without really having to recognize them as a full person (like after psychologically torturing them, basically, One-One's just like "yeah sure, whatever").So if there were a moment where One-One was confronted with another denizen and maybe had to reflect on that, I think that'd be cool.
Well, at his essence, he is a machine, so using a technically to get out of a paradox seemed pretty on track
i feel like we need a book about the cat. like one about her life and showing us her life and where she came from.
Simon gave the cat control and got betrayed. he put his trust in the first "real" being he meats and after years together he gets third wealed and not understanding that other people can make selfish or protective choices fucked him so hard that he had only himself to talk to and that lead to him becoming the most narcissistic person he can be and he was most likely better of before the train
He got on it because of a spelling bee he didn't need the train whatsoever
I appreciate you acknowledging the shitty things Simon thinks and does while not completely writing him off as pure evil like some people do. and you point out that grace isnt exempt from in the things she did to denizens, the apex, and simon, just because she decided to learn from her mistakes and become a better person. some people are blind-sighted into thinking grace is the "good guy" and simon is the "bad guy," which ignores a lot of nuance in both of the characters.
i lost it at the end! And the edits on Simon's death scene throughout are top-quality content, fantastic summary!
The most tragic reason about Simon is because he refused, he stubborn, & he selfish. Those are the three reasons about Simon's abandonment.
The "what could have been season 4" Joke could still work because we know book 4 will focus on 2 new characters rather than Amelia and Hazel
@@sevendrills4326 how? We got book 4 and it didn't focus on Amelia or Hazel.
Yeah Amelia was in it but she was a background character
@@SquishMTR Oh sorry read your comment wrong
@@sevendrills4326 that's all good
Thanks for making this video man. It's fantastic in it's own right, and very well scripted and edited, but I'm rewatching the series before seeing Book 4 and I just couldn't bring myself to watch this whole Book again, it's too emotionally devastating.
I dont watch all the shows you review but after binging all 3 seasons today i'm happy i gave this one a watch :D
oh, dude i loved Simon... he is a great character and to be honest i kind enjoy seeing more of such type of characters being better understood or used as protagonists. He just screamed BPD and as much as i wanted to guess he is a sociopath and see him be more self aware and all... i have to admit narcissist suits him more.
Simon was literally consumed by his demons...
I wished Simon lived to be redeemed since the shows theme is pretty much you can improve and etc
Yeah but every show about redemption should always or eventually have at least one character that doesn't get redeemed. At least, that's what I think. Not everyone is going to want to change and not everyone is going to have done things that you can jusr, for lack of a better word, take back or make up for. I think if Simon stayed alive, it would've taken a really specific, really hard hitting event for him to realize that he needed to change. But I don't think IT would've done that because he was simply too far gone and consumed by his narcissism.
Fair but It kinda makes sense for Emelia to not be redeemed because she thinks she can't even when she does succeed
@@JetblackJay Well, let's not confuse redemption with getting off the train. I think Amelia is already on the path of redemption. I think it would be cool if she doesn't get off the train even if she's good which would be a nice juxtaposition to Simon not getting off because he was evil.
Simon wasn't evil he just couldn't accept change the same way as Amelia but it bit him in the ass because he had trust issues as well Amelia could have left the train earlier if she accepted her loved one being gone but both can't accept these things fully they are neutral at the end of the day
@@JetblackJay If we're ignoring that Simon refused to see reason and that Amelia originally refused to see reason, I could agree with them being neutral, but only one of those two characters was actually willing to not only admit they messed up but try to better themselves. Maybe calling Simon downright evil was an overstatement but he definitely let his narcissism consume him and getting help of some kind from Amelia and Grace was something he voluntarily rejected. If he didn't continue insisting he couldn't ever be wrong, he wouldn't have died. I think misguided and broken are better descriptors but it doesn't excuse his actions and that his demise comes down to his actions and his reactions to Grace's actions, things he could've controlled or gotten help with.
i finished this season today just in time for this video. and wow. it hit hard.
I was watching the infinity train finale during quarantine and for my school, we had a thing called "panic hour" where there was a zoom call in the middle of the day where you could just talk about anything really, and I was watching the finale and during the fight between simon and grace, I joined the call and I told my teacher about infinity train, he said the show sounded interesting so I offered to point the camera at the tv I was watching it on, and right when I unpaused it while the rest of the zoom call was watching, the fight ended and a bunch of freshman and my teacher all watched simon get disintegrated
Last time I was this early, Simon was alive
*oof*
I have waited for this.
21:27
Also, she stopped wearing her gloves, leaving her number clear for anyone to see.
I interpret it similarly to what her losing her literal mask foreshadowed, in that it represents how she's not hiding things anymore and is being more honest with both others and herself.
Simon every 5 seconds in this video:
*AAAAAA-dies*
Wow, you caught me off guard with that helluva boss opening
You know I figured hazel was a child Born on the train by a passenger who later left her. Because she was born there the number wouldn't work, and her mother probably drew it so she wouldn't be hurt. I had an idea she might be a train person but I figured the number had to mean something.
Ok so simon pushing her off and having a breakdown was so, so powerful. I mean he died which shocked me so much. But man you see him laugh, then realize what he did and cry, and then completely lose his mind and laugh again. He was beyond the point of no return by that moment which is probably why he died. Man...
Also remember what samantha said about amilia's number? Yeah... Simon definitely murdered at least one other human. Probably more, also imagine how long she had to have been in her tape, it could have been years! He grew up, and was clearly hurt, it's pretty scary.
I think one of the most interesting things about season 3 is that it shows how the train doesn't even work in some cases, Simon entered on the train as a child with some personal problems and died on the train a racist cult-leading mass murderer. He was worse when he died than when he first got on the train. Obviously it's Simon's fault that he's the way that he is but considering that the train is supposed to make you a *better* person and it seems to have blatantly failed with two major characters (the other one being Amelia) this is a pretty big deal. I think it would have been really interesting if the show got to explore the train's own failings and maybe even get a personal growth arc about One-One and how putting people in a train with the potential for life-long emotional scars and horrifying self-indulgence isn't a guaranteed method at personal growth.
I think the reason that Simon couldn't accept the fact he was wrong was because it was a good justification for his anger against the cat. His hatred for her allowed him to accept the misguided ideas and then weaponize them against the denizens. He couldn't be wrong because then he wouldn't have anything to weaponize against those people. He couldn't be wrong because it would force him to forgive to at least some degree. He wasn't able to change the core of what had become his life, so he couldn't give up the ideas that were his justification for his revenge. Frankly, I don't see anyone to be blamed for this instance. The train doesn't usually sick the roach monsters on people, that was related to the conductor. The conductor had her own issues and was in her own world, so she didn't intend to harm anyone. The cat was reasonable and running from a monster she could not stop and had no real means of helping Simon. And Simon was doing his best with his abilities. The train system works when its left to run. However, it can become destructive when careless people use it. TBH, what made Simon was really hurt people accidentally passing on their hurt in their misguided and delusional methods to avoid confronting their problems.
Goddamn, simons death was brutal. But hey there wasn’t any blood so it’s family friendly! Right?
Very excited on how you react to redemption.
Oh man i loved watching people reacting to those episodes
They crew really know how to write their characters. They made me feel bad for an incel.
"I dont care about the plight of (race) until i befriend one'
may i just say, that the ending to the video was beautiful :)
7:50
am I going crazy or does Simon sound like Steven Universe at this part? LOL
Oh damn you’re right kinda
I just feel bad for Samantha. 😔 BECAUSE WHO GONNA BE THE ONE TO TELL HER 😭😭😭😭😭😭
simon's story shows that the way amelia was controlling the train was bad and unhelpfull. this would never had happened if one one was the conductor, because they explained to the passengers what the train was for. simon is responsible for his actions, but amilia has a bit of guilt in this
It feel good to get more Infinity train content because I love season 3
I found it funny when you sarcasm with the race thing . I was like oh Snap 😂😂😂😂