Shipping Wars in Cartoons (And Why They Suck)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Shipping wars is a blanket term I came up with for the headscratching love triangles and crack ships that we all love to fuel and hate all the same. Here are some moments where some very popular cartoons dropped the ball with romance.
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Tracks in order of appearance (Repeats not counted):
Persona 5 OST - Wicked Plan
Mario & Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story + Bowser Jr.’s Journey OST - Toad Town
UNBEATABLE [white label] OST - Title Screen
Deltarune OST - Hip Shop
Komi Can’t Communicate OST - Lively way back home
Persona 3 FES OST - Mass Destruction
Self - Out with a Bang (Outro Song)
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as far as your korra relationships analysis i just want to say thank you. (want to preface that im gay) i never got into this show and i kind of hate the lgbtq rep because of how awful the interpersonal character relationships are.
because i couldn't even IMAGINE a 4 person friend group not completely dissolving after what korra did. korra dated bolin, cheated right in front of him with a taken man as bolin is holding a bouquet, caused mako and asami to break up and then ended with asami? im sorry but if that happened in real life bolin would forever have a grudge toward his brother mako for being a dick and not respecting his relationship, asami would hate korra for ruining what was a good relationship for her (basically shes a homewrecker) and asami would never want to see mako again for being a cheating douchebag. if this were REAL LIFE melodrama korra would be exiled and forced to find a new friend group. if they really wanted to have this be realistic korra would have been shunned by asami, shunned by mako & bolin (mako & bolin would be ok because they're brothers but bolin would hold it over makos head forever), and asami would not want to see mako or korra again unless she had to. the show if it were realistic and these 4 were forced to interact after the drama would be awkwardly formal and cordial with a deep underlying dislike forc eachother, so much so that every character besides the brothers interactions would look like "being forced to do a group project with your ex who cheated on you and made your life shitty at that time". (it would feel like pushing two opposing magnets together as they desperately push away from eachother- but like in people)
MLP tried shipping once, and it backfired SO badly, they never tried it again, and so every time the love interest character has to show up, you can just tell they have no bloody idea what to do with him
This is something
What is a liberal
I don't know why the 2010's were OBSESSED with love triangles & romantic subplots but it's absolutely killed the investment I had for a lot of cartoons in the decade. Fun Fact: the finales of Game of Thrones & Star VS aired the same day, so both adults AND kids got to be deprived of satisfying endings in 2019.
Weren’t they released on the same day? (then again I could be wrong)
Edit: I was correct both finales released on the same day! (May 19th is the day for horrible series finales)
I remember when total drama did this in it’s third season it was poorly written
I don't recall love triangles in Milo Murphy's Law or DuckTales 2017. Those are from the 2010s too.
This is a common trope in every generation, sometimes only relegated in romcoms but it's always there. Most cartoons never had it as a main focus but you can see some hints of it.
@@ArendAlphaEagle he wasn't saying every show from the 2010s had love triangles, he said there were a lot that had them
Imagine if Aang started the series dating Katara, and in season 2 started dating Toph out of no where, and in the Final Minute of Sozins Comet decided to Kiss Sokka, and every Avatar comic afterwards was focused on explaining why them Dating is a good thing
That’s the Best I could explain The romance in Korra
Oh boi Korra was a crap storm when it comes to romance.
Nah, Suko. And then they take down Osai with the power of love
@@PancakemonsterFO4 Now that would be Star VS level of Bad
Korra is hugely overrated, I like the artstyle but the world building is whack and Korra is a horrible, entitled and frankly unlikeable character. Her being bi just seems like quite literal fanservice
@@BuggingonBeeroids i mean she DOES get much better in seasons 3 & 4, unfortunately season 2 was so god awfully written most people still have that image of season 1 & 2 korra and can’t see how much she developed in the later seasons (also the villains in s3&4 are sooo much better).
I remember shipping starco in 3rd and hated Jackie with a burning passion but watching the show again, her and Marco would’ve been way better together and so would Tomstar. The two ships could’ve been great if the writers actually cared. And if Starco was gonna happen why did they keep dragging the ship to the very end it was a waste of everyone’s time.
Edit: And don’t even get me started on Kellco
I was always more into Jarco than Starco. It was the first ship truly shown in Star vs, and that, alongside Star's crush on Oskar, made me realize it's a breath of fresh air that the main characters were NOT being paired together at all... until Blood Moon Ball ruined that idea, that is. Turns out that breath of fresh air was in Milo Murphy's Law instead, in which Milo actually gets to start a romance with his crush Amanda, and NOT his best friend Melissa, and I LOVE IT.
But I digress. Regardless of Blood Moon Ball, Jackie Lynn Thomas still remained one of the coolest characters, and her relationship with Marco actually WORKS. Really, it's baffling that the show writers didn't _just_ break up Marco and Jackie in Season 3, but went the extra mile and just _wrote her out of the show almost entirely,_ with the exception of two Season 4 episodes, in which she is now with this Chloe girl who appeared absolutely out of NOWHERE. Really, even if they HAD to break up, I think writing Jackie out of the show was uncalled for. Why not let her travel to Mewni from time to time too? Janna does it, why not Jackie?
...then again, with how poor the writing went in the later seasons, Jackie may have dodged a bullet... although, Tom became one of the best characters since Season 3, so uh...
@@ArendAlphaEagle Honestly, I was amazed with Tom's turn around. I only watched Star vs after it ended, so I heard a lot of praise for Tom. But my exposure to him in the first two seasons weren't great, and made me wonder why he was so popular. Then Season 3 came along and he actually showed growth, amd stayed likable till the end. Heck, I think he's the only character I ended up feeling entirely positive towards once I reached the end.
Nah TomStar sucks because Star is an actual god damn terrible girlfriend. She outoxiced the character trope of toxic ex, thats how bad their season 3 relationship was
@@rodrigofigueiredo8597 true, if she had developed rather than being an asshole whole chooses when she wants to be responsible or not and be a hypocrite (aka not suffer the writing of the later seasons) that ship could have worked. But as it is despite seeing it as a better option for them to be together compared to starco cuz the writing issues, star did a 180 and became the toxic one in the relationship rather than Tom who tried his damn hardest to change for himself and her.
also pissed me off more that after Tom broke up with star and gave Marco the heads up, i honestly started to feel bad, like he knew he can't save a relationship with star obviously liking Marco and how she acts. And wouldn't cha know it, a day or 2 later when she was SUPPOSE to save her injured citizens, she goes out to kiss and confess with Marco while completely forgetting about leaving Tom in the magic dimension
The more I look into it the more she seems like a selfish psychopath rather than a teen that does dumb things
Like they should have just gotten together in season 3 or had Star and Marco get together in season 2 and maybe have Marco relise that Jackie wasn't as good as he thought soo. Or even just keep Jackie and Marco and Tom and Star because they where actually pretty good relationships. Even Kelly and Marco could have been interesting as they support each other throughout there feelings.
Shipping wars? CRINGE!!! 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
War crimes? Real shit 🔥🔥💯💯💯
Shhh don’t talk about war crimes, I’m already being investigated for enough shit.
This is a certified serbian momment
Nuclear Holocaust: Best shit
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this was the comment I clicked on the video for.
The thing that will forever tick me off when Asami confronted Mako about the kiss was that she only got mad at him for it. That type of heat was never once directed at Korra. Since she was the one who started it by kissing him first.
Mako was in the wrong for kissing back and/or not pulling away the moment Korra kissed him. And Korra being in the wrong for initiating the kiss in the first place. Knowing full well he was already with Asami.
Realistically, Asami should've been upset on both sides. But the writers made it out to seem that it was only Mako's fault for that happening.
The writes hated Mako, and so does the fans. Lol
That's just so typical for some reason. The partner 'cheats' and all the anger goes at them even if they were not initiating anything and the other person knew about their relatioship.
Mako was (or may have been) too surprised by the kiss to (actively) resist it at the time. Don't put the blame on him. Blame Korra.
Honestly I don't think it's truly fair to blame Mako for not pulling back. Some people are more passive than others and might not be able to immediately assert themselves in situations like this. Plus I think that blaming him in this specific instance is problematic since contextually, Korra *forced herself onto him,* saying that "its their fault for not moving away" when the person in question never consented to that encounter feels like victim blaming to me.
I get they wanted the teen romance to be volition (at least that’s what I heard) but they could’ve handled the confrontation and improving personality in terms of dating parts better. But then again Nickelodeon was fckin with the team working on the LoK
Honestly I am a huge starco shipper but the way they handled it in the show was absolutely horrible wish they could’ve done it much better like Lumity has
I stopped watching because of it
I'm not really a huge Starco shipper and think they should've staid friends BUT I can see how it could've worked really well yet they handled it abysmal
Your pfp reminds me of my time in the shipping wars & I find it funny.
It was bad only because it was forced for the 4 season limit rule, and they forced them two to declare their love too early...
And i really hate this...
There had to be a season 5 and we deserve a season 5! They have to do it.
I will never forgive Disney for what they have done...
@@the_impossible_gamer ...Didn't Daron Nefcy say that she _knew_ beforehand that they were gonna get no more than four seasons?
You explained *exactly* why I don’t like the ship Korrasami. I’m so tired of people being called homophobic whenever they call out a gay ship for being poorly written. I have absolutely no problem with a gay ship, as long as it’s written well. For example, Luz and Amity. Sure, it was pretty rushed at the start, but it found its footing, and is much better now. Korra and Asami, on the other hand, felt forced and kinda just came out of nowhere, not to mention the other problems you mentioned. And I’m sorry, but representation doesn’t mean much when the relationship itself isn’t good. Problematic is still problematic. As much as I might piss some people off by saying this, I’ll take a straight ship that’s healthy over a gay ship that’s toxic any day.
Coming from second-hand experience, lesbian relationships can get hella toxic: the equivalent of a drunkard pounding away at his dead-inside and Stockholm Syndrome wife kinda toxic.
First, I am so glad I wasn't the only one who thought it came out of nowhere. Like I was like "when where they a couple" but yet, it's another fan driven ship and those have a bad reputation for not being good or handled well.
2: if you think korrasami is bad, don't forget about catdora. That's way worse and more toxic.
Me with catdora
Rigby and Eileen is one of the best couples I've seen in modern cartoons and I hate so much how little episodes Regular Show dedicates for these two and how many many many it dedicates to Mordecai shipping stuff, why is the best couple the background couple???? They are insanely cute I just wanted to see more of them!
I never saw a single person that thinks Rigby and Eileen are bad, most regular show fans love these two together, it may not have much drama or commedy but man... they are too cute man I just can't stop loving whenever they do something cute on screen
Me too and I agree
Muscle Man and Starla were good too. They genuinely loved and cared about each other.
@@myeeeeeh Muscle Man and Starla are one of those couples that just work.
The episode that broke up Finn and Flame Princess will always hold a place of pure hate in my heart. I dropped the show after that.
It took until like season 7 for Finn to apologise too.
At least Finn managed to be on better terms with Flame Princess at the end, Mordecai and CJ's relationship is broken beyond repair
Shout outs to the Owl House, the only recent cartoon that I can think of, to just completely nail a romantic relationship perfectly, and also Regular Show for doing it really well with the boi Rigby.
As a writer myself, a relationship really has to mean something, and you have to really plan it out in advance. It can’t be something lazily thrown in, or written just to satisfy viewers. Writing a relationship has to be, as Luz from
The Owl House said, “emotional and real”.
I thought that Milo Murphy's Law did romantic relationships pretty well too (or at least, much better than Star vs did with Starco)
@@ArendAlphaEagle Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-6] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)].
Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF
@@ArendAlphaEagle Kinda Unrelated but what do you think of Shipping in FNAF? You know the Hit Horror Game Series that has Animatronics possessed by the Souls of Dead Kids, A Purple man that killed said kids who also refuses to die, and has convoluted lore that made MatPat go insane?
Wait a minute this isn’t a video about naval conflict portrayed in animation
I really hate when a show puts focus on the shipping because of the fanbase. Especially when they ruin the characters by making them be out of character or mistreating them in some way.
Flame Princess and Finn broke my heart as well. I love Flame Princess and her and Finn were so cute together and had great chemistry. And then there's Star Vs comes in and just ruins every character lol.
With Miraculous Ladybug, I can't watch it because of Marionette. She is literally a crazy stalker that is being told she's not doing anything creepy or bad. And then Chat Noir's "M'lady" line sends me into the cringe realm every time lol.
Why does Cat noir sound like a neck beard?
The virgin 'spend an entire show teasing a ship only to make it happen at the end and have them break up off-screen' Nefcy
vs
The Chad 'have characters hook up early in the season and develop them on-screen' Dana
@@ThisIsAshley41 I sounds more like they are talking about Star and Marco....but those two didn't break up. 🤔
@@johannesseyfried7933 What if they broke up AFTER the series finale??? 😱
@@ArendAlphaEagle Well, this would make me even more angry. I already fell out of love with Starco, but if these two Idiots broke up after *finally* getting together......then this ship was the biggest waste of time in history!
Freaking Lars x Sadie vs. Luz x Amity (ok, not that early on)
@@ArendAlphaEagle IIRC Nefcy said in an AMA after the finale that Star and Marco might break up in the future because that's how teenagers are or some shit, so Star murdered countless magical beings and fused Earth with Mewni for a fling.
Something else that grinds my gears about Korra is the fact that the narrative and the characters just decide to blame all of the relationship issues on Mako? Which is insane given that Korra (if you ask me) was worse than him? Now granted, he still was pretty bad at several points, but to be fair a lot of it was him trying his best to react to situations Korra inadvertently put him into with her shitty behavior? So the plot siding with her is just bizarre?
Also Korra dragged Mako down, only to backstab him later! How is Mako the root problem here? Mako was the fall guy, hence why his personality is meant to be "love to hate". Yeah, no... he and his brother should have just got with other people off screen and stayed far away from Korra's delusional drama.
Can we give props to a show that handled romance great? That being Kim Possible. Kim and Ron was naturally developed and was pulled off well with a great payoff. More shows should be like Kim Possible.
I started watching Star Vs. *specifically because* they had such a good friend dynamic. It was so rare to have a show based on a boy and a girl where they weren't romantic!! Then... Starco. And I stopped watching after that 🙁
I started watching it for the plot and the friend-slow-buildup of their relationship. Then season 3 happened and literally the blood moon took over the show.
Wow, same, kinda. With Marco having a crush on Jackie, and Star having a crush on Oskar, it would mean that Star and Marco would be best friends of opposite genders that AREN'T dating each other, which would've been _such_ a breath of fresh air when it seems like every pair of main characters would eventually end up dating each other JUST because they're the main characters. _Such_ an overdone cliché, and kind of makes the whole thing an expected norm among fellow shippers, which this dynamic absolutely should NOT be. Of course, that whole thing gets thrown out of the window with Blood Moon Ball, sadly.
Turns out it's _Milo Murphy's Law_ that has the best friends dynamic between main characters Milo and Melissa WITHOUT making them a romantic couple EVER.
True. I hate how kids shows feel the need to shove romance into everything when most kids aren't interested in that. Not saying you shouldn't do it, I just think it's weird that romance is in any show for kids aged 8+
Same. Loved season one BECAUSE their relationship was platonic. As soon as the show hinted at romance I bailed tf out.
@@ArendAlphaEagle Honestly I'm glad that I left the shipping community since 1. It was toxic AF. 2. Some of the ships don't make any sense. 3. The Fanfics and Fanart are pretty bad especially the R34 ones💀. 4. Its basically a F**king warzone. 5. They treat Criticism of their pathetic ship like it's a F**king warcrime. Honestly I could write a F**king essay of how bad the shipping community is and Thank God I left that community. I'm never going back there ever again. And Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)].
Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF
Look, I haven't seen all the Phineas and Ferb episodes, but I think it's safe to say Phinabella (Phineas + Isabella) was kind of the "one person doesn't notice person crushing them", but taken to a (laughable) extreme. Phineas doesn't already know Isabella has a crush on him. He literally DOESN'T. (Until Act Your Age came around and made the ship canon). While it does seem clichéd, it's also played around with quite a bit. It's not just "lovey-dovey" and awkward fanfiction stuff (no offense) because that's not relatable. That's not real life. Setting the tone and going slow in a relationship is just as important in media as it is in the real world.
I hate how Milo Murphy's Law also undoes the Phineas and Isabella ship by having them be kids forever.
@@YujiUedaFan I mean, it hasn't been 10 years later yet, as Act Your Age was set 10 years into the (canonical) future. Their future was already written for them (literally!), so don't worry.
@@siyahseeker MML SHOULD take place 10 years later though because the technology is different to the start of P&F. Additionally, when Phineas, Milo and Ferb make that de-unlickifier robot thing, Linda is RIGHT THERE! She doesn't care and Candace isn't saying a thing! Only way this would have made sense if it TOOK PLACE 10 years later!
Don't get me started on the Doof's character downgrade. What, he couldn't last more than 2 months in a school? In the future he hasn't committed a crime for 10 years, yet according to MML, he just... keeps on being a criminal. Once again, only making sense (kinda?) if it took place 10 years later.
@@YujiUedaFan it should, but it doesn't. The show canonically takes place in the fall after phineas and ferbs summer
@@christosdoesthings I know, but it makes less sense that way.
Shipping wars in general just suck. If you're so obsessed with a pairing that you can't allow any others, you might have a few problems at minimum.
yes
shipping wars are funny to me, as a multi-shipper. ive never cared having an otp so i never understood having such passionate arguments about something so inconsequential. as long as there are good fics about it on ao3 and it isnt inherently problematic, ill take what I can get ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I would like to see a show with the two main leads a boy and a girl either getting together early and staying with normal issues for the rest of the series or just never getting together with no romantic hints whatsoever
Media REALLY needs to start normalizing platonic relationships between a guy and a girl without them being related.
So far the only show that has that is the Inside Job. I haven’t watched all of it but from what I have seen it’s has that. I just hope it stays that way 😅
wander over yonder has an extremely strong friendship between the two main characters (wander and sylvia) and it isnt romantic at all. great show super funny too
Seeing the downfall of Star vs the Forces of Shipping was just really sad, in the disappointing sense. The second season was not as fun as season 1, and it had some problems but it was pretty solid and the finale was pretty cool at the time, if not taking into account how anti-climaticly overpowered the defeat of Toffee was, leaving really no sense of danger for the later seasons worsened by the aforementioned shipping to add that missing toffee-sized hole that spicened the show.
Melodramatic Ladybug on the other hand couldn't even be disappointing as it started out as a train slowly moving onward on its unstable dialogue and character writing from day one. You can just watch the first episode and move to the last one and fill in everything that happened in the episodes you didn't see because it is all just to tease a ship without any character development inbetween episodes, which is a fault Star vs the Forces of Shipping fell into but here it is the entire show.
Starco sounds like some fictional company from a comic book
Aaaaaaand now it (and Jarco) sound like Grizzco from Splatoon. Thanks.
@@ArendAlphaEagle Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife or His Son, Mike Schmidt [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary Schmidt [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)].
Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF
I was a HUGE starco shipper in the past, I used to live for that shit. Now I just cringe at who I used to be
Regular Show and Adventure Time will always have the best representation of awkward romance and not being able to control your feelings, leading into depression and doing stupid things
10:34 Props to Adventure time for actually going on to fix a terrible episode and bring something really good out of it. At least that’s how I see it.
Omg I love when people create videos about shipping in shows. The problematic ones are especially tea worthy ☕️
Why are you using tea in 2022 bro
Cyrus the great makes good miraculous ladybug videos you can check him out on yt
@@hutek4202 cause there’s no law sayin I can’t use tea ☕️ :0
@@khaliyahjefferson832 u know I actually have checked him out! I really like his commentary
Ooh, tea!
I’ve been waiting for a video like this for quite a while now. Every point you made was entirely accurate. Thank you!
Thank goodness I’m not the only Starco fan who likes Tom. I try not to think of the INFINITE ways they could have ended this SO much better by dropping the fourth season and about half of the drama and enjoy the fun stuff.
The Virgin Mordecai versus the Chad Rigby and muscle man
I want to know why some people care so much about a fictional character getting in a relationship with another fictional character
Apparently it's a psychology and. Beliefs thing
i feel like shipping hits it's downfall when the source material itself starts acknowledging it outside of subtext, which detracts from any actual romantic development in favor to paying lipservice to fans.
Thanks to you warning me on God awful Starco became all these years later but Adrienette Is still gonna overthrow them soon enough once their show Is over.
PLEASE do a full video on Miraculous Ladybug somewhere in the future, I'd LOVE to see you tear into that show.
Adventure Time fell off around S5 when they started doing my man’s Finn dirty with that Frost and Fire episode, also I thought Mordecai and CJ were honestly nice together but how they broke up because of Margret showing up again in their lives was aggravating.
I remember catching the rare episode of SVTFOE when watching my little cousins in season one. Saw one random episode in a later season and almost swapped channels it was so bad. I really hope that show isnt the basis for relationships that kids learn off of.
I Created a ship between Otis the Cow from Barnyard and Ellyvan the Blue Elephant van from Jungle Junction and I love it
I would of said Harley Quinn season 2 was really bad. Where they had Harley act extremely toxic, and continue pushing Ivy to end her relationship with kiteman for her. And didn’t accept ivy’s choice until she got what she wanted
Shipping is fine if they're treated as headcanon and NOT taken seriously. Shipping taken seriously is when it turns annoying as heck.
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I just want to read my fanfics and watch others shank each other on the internet for their ships
The Regular Show shipping war is so stupidly hilarious
yess that the reason was gone crash and burned
The fact that adults wrote and Disney okayed two 14 year olds (Starco) leaving their families behind in order to die together in a wasteland of magic still haunts me.
There's also Rule 34 of them
Personally, I feel that, due to how deconstructive Star vs. is, it should have been a subversion on the cliche that A girl and a boy should always be together. Let them be with other people, and for them to be good friends, not the predictable mess we had in the final season
I honestly thought that's what Star vs was going for back in Season 1, when Marco had a crush on Jackie, and Star had a crush on Oskar. Then "Blood Moon Ball" came around and decided that Starco was supposed to be fate (and then they realized in Season 4 that the Blood Moon Curse was nonconsensual and broke it, yet they still wanted Starco still but for some reason waited until the 9-part finale event to then rush it AND retcon the curse AND Marco's feelings for Jackie in two poorly-worded sentences... blech).
Good thing Milo Murphy's Law DID avert the "boy best friend x girl best friend"/"main character x main character" ships: Melissa is Milo's best friend and remains Milo's best friend, and does NOT become his love interest: Milo's love interest is Amanda instead, and Melissa is with Zack.
@@ArendAlphaEagle There are Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)].
Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF
@@ArendAlphaEagle Kinda Unrelated but what do you think of Shipping in FNAF? You know the Hit Horror Game Series that has Animatronics possessed by the Souls of Dead Kids, A Purple man that killed said kids who also refuses to die, and has convoluted lore that made MatPat go insane?
Show writers need to learn that if they can’t write a good relationship, then they shouldn’t try to.
Bro I'm so happy you're talking about MLB. It's the dumpster fire that keeps on giving. Can't wait for your video on it!
anyone finds it strange that flame princess went with Cinnamon bun who's been confirmed to be thirty?
As someone who watches MLB (it's a fucking car crash but ive been here since S1 and it's too late to abandon ship now, especially since the show's taking me hostage and it's literally the show i most watch and consume fandom content of, despite said show being a garbage fire) you have no idea how much of a reaction 16:01 got from me, to the point where I spat out what I was eating while watching the vid and nearly choked.
PS: Please make a miraculous video I'd love to hear you rant about it
Never heard someone abbreviate Miraculous like MLB before. For a hot minute I thought you were talking about Major League Baseball.
@@ArendAlphaEagle Within the fandom, MLB is a very common abbreviation for the show. Outside the fandom, I tend to see just ML or Miraculous.
Heck, even "Miraculous Ladybug" is a nickname. The show is technically called "Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and Chat Noir" which does not roll off the tongue at all
@@ArendAlphaEagle LOL
@@ArendAlphaEagle Major League Baseball is better than Miraculous
The romance in Korra is forced and her girlfriend literally has no reason to like her/want to be with her. Korra is a terrible, extremely selfish person, willing to destroy others relationships and ends up with a woman who she did this to.
Adventure time relationships were just pure trash by the end, it also became way too fucking pretentious for what it was.
Honestly, it was entertaining how SVTFOE mishandled its shipping. It was like you took the Edward/Jacob schism with the Twihards, made it into a 20 player battle royale and gave it Jerry Springer mechanics.
I cried when Marco and Jackie broke up.
khora dated all of her friends........ i liked fin's writing he was a stupid kid in his first real relationship we all knew it wouldn't work out with rebound fire girl
4:54 one thing im fairly certain of is that in modern shows, each writer gets their turn, and all the other writers just have to deal with it. Im guessing there's little to no communication, and just a general mentality of "no i'd rather do this, so with my turn im just going to undo what you wrote"
And that's what's happening here, someone was like "oh im gonna make this ship happen" then the next person to get their turn was like "no that's stupid, im going to have them break up off screen"
which just seems like an unbelievably stupid way to write a show, but that seems to be how a lot of these shows operate.
Love the thumbnail!!
As far as shipping goes, I only ship characters that I think have potential in my POV. I don't care about what is the most popular shipping since I don't follow the popular crowd. I only ship characters that I think have a lot of potential and ideas. Sometimes, I even ship characters with OCs because I find them more intriguing than the ones people often ship them with.
you're so real for this tbh
Rebecca Sugar hated Finn. When she joined the writing team it was shown increasingly after.
shipping wars?
what people fight over what's the best boat and anchor ships?
Have you been living under a EXTREMELY dense rock.
In my opinion, SVTFOE has the worst shipping war ever made to this day.
It was executed horribly, to the point where the other relationships would of been better and actually wanted by fans
14:40...
Korrasami shippers are BLINDER THAN GRIMLOCKS!
That's why I'm not bothered to watch SVTFOE or Korra again, since their romance on their is just too much.
Shipping is pretty much what ruined _Star vs the Forces of Evil._ Everything went into a declined when Star x Marco became the most important thing to the show's creator.
Sounds like what's going on in Owl House with Luz and Aminity.
im so glad you brought up THAT adventure time episode-- genuinely, without hyperbole, i think it's what killed my enjoyment of the show for a VERY long time when the episode aired. my kid-brain was PISSED OFF and WEIRDED OUT and i just Gravitated to other cartoons like gravity falls afterwards
gravity falls is cringe too bro
14:12 "Anyone ever acknowledge that season 1 Korra is a pretty terrible person?" * E;R has entered the chat *
I still imagine a future where Tomco happens
💀💀💀
Star VS is the reason why I hate shipping.
Thanks for reminding me why Wubbzy x Daizy is my only ship.
Ship wars are the bane of every single piece of entertainment.
Atleast in games it's not as prevalent (Thank God) but fanbases still want to make that garbage relevant...
Don't they have a partner? Do they want to project themselves on those ships? Why make it a war?
I myself am lonely AF, but i won't go to do ship warfare in these communities.
Man, Nickelodeon shipping is really cringy. I love 2012 Ninja Turtles, but man, Donatello's crush on April was played out so much that it got creepy and annoying really fast, with the only worthwhile payoff really being The Power Inside Her episode. Other than that, it lead to sometimes annoying Casey-Donnie bickering and A Foot Too Big, where the April-Tello ship finally seems to end only for April to kiss Donnie and start the whole nonsense over again.
Ok im glad someone finally says this and yes i also love this show but first off i have no problem with donnie and april being a couple as long its developt right but like you said it was rushed and annoying and leaves you quistioning who did april choose casey or donnie?, secondly i wish casey actually got more development in the series rather than just be a rival to donnie
All of the points you listed about Adventure Time and Regular Show are the reasons I stopped watching those shows, and have yet to try and rewatch them
The problem with Regular Show is that the finale is supposedly really good but because the shipping practically took over season 6 people stopped watching it and then Cartoon Network buried the finale under Teen Titans Go reruns.
So if you wanted to binge the show again, you'd need to sludge through all the continuity you missed and the shipping bullshit only to find out that Mordecai marries this kind of annoying bat girl (if you checked out the comics) and Pops dies.
@@eatatjoes6751 Wait!Regular Show comics?Since when?
Ok hear me out, what if
Miraculous got even more ridiculous and bad, BUT on PURPOSE!
It just evolves into satire and comedy and completely changes from what it once was.
You have no idea how giddy I got when you were gonna talk about Miraculous.
Also wtf was wrong with Korra in season 1-
I don't mind if two main characters (even if they were childhood friends) evolve into a romantic relationship, as long as the writers just don't start a shipping war with love triangles and cause debates! Also I find it ironic that Rigby started as a little ****, but eventually grew and managed to have a healthy relationship with Eileen, why couldn't they do the same with Mordecai and CJ? I don't care if CJ had a short temper, they could've gone somewhere new with her. Also the Finn and Flame Princess romance from what I remember, they barely had enough episodes to cement their chemistry, so it makes the Fire and Ice thing worse!
Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)].
Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF
In my opinion, the development of the couple or the ship should only be in the background. Or at the VERY least should be made with a good plot
tfw talking about AppleDash was completely ruined by the MLP finale. Now whenever the ship is brought up the conversation has to involve it being canon rather than talking about the ship itself
I’m glad I’m not the only one that feels this way.
I swear it’s like some AppleDash fans defend the ship like their lives depend on it.
I like how he used the Nostalgia Critic explosion at 3:06. If you pause just in time, you'll see NC make a quick cameo
In my eyes, shipping isn’t cringe as long as it is done in moderation.
It has the potential of hooking someone to a show and to absolutely ruin it.
Sadly, the latter happens far too often.
When regular show and adventure time ended up ignoring shipping, the over all quality got better.
Shipping should happen naturally as a side product of character interaction. The moment the creators made shipping an objective in of itself it has already failed.
@@ThisIsAshley41 but isn’t romance directly playing into shipping?
@@julianmartinez4719 indeed
@@ThisIsAshley41 yes thank you, implying that shipping = romantic storyline is simply in correct, i’d say the vast majority of ships in fandom have little to no genuine romantic storyline in relation to the actual show, story, book, etc. it’s really up to the fans imagination. that’s not to say that all ships have no romantic storyline to them, canon relationships do tend to be quite popular ships in fandom, it’s just that shipping a non-canon ship is more about what could’ve been. or maybe it’s just about seeing what it would be like if two characters got together (even if they only had like 2 seconds of scene time together). i personally don’t really go out of my way to consume fancontent about canon relationships in any of the series i’m interested in, the exception probably being asheiji (depending on who you ask anyway).
the way Marco confessed his crush to Jackie was pretty cool actually. he mentions how he doesn't know If he likes her for her looks or personality. but what he knows that she deserves someone who wants to get to know her and wants to be that guy. that hit home with me.
it's too bad the show shat the bed so hard
The first half of Star Vs. was good. It all at least felt like it was flowing fairly naturally. But after the Battle for Mewnii movie, it all went off the rails. I can't help but think something happened mid development that might cause such a drastic shift.
@@A88mph The way they tried to hype up the Blood Moon into being something epic and having it turn out to be a total nothingburger fucked everything up.
I won't waste too much time here but they tried to make it where Marco had been in love with Star from Day 1 when anyone with half a brain cell knew that wasn't the case. And frankly, Marco's character arc only works IF HE DOESN'T FALL FOR HER AT FIRST. HIs relationship with Jackie helped him grow and realize what we really wants, but if they did that they'd they have the "OMG THE BLOOD MOON REALLY IS FORCING THE RELATIONSHIP" crap.
Lesson here: the Blood Moon was a mistake
@@AnimatedIdiotGuide yeah no, they never should have done that, it ruined every chance of Starco developing organically
@@A88mph they changed like half of the writers, and the show went from a show wide arc to a seasonal arc, which didn't give the "villains" enough time to develop
Viewer : Wow this show is really neat!
Forced romance, ship pandering and love triangles : Allow us to introduce ourselves
If not that
Power scalers, retarded edge, plot armor, and forced deaths: I am inevitable.
The sad thing is that love triangles(and most concepts like it) can be and have been done really well. But it's usually done so poorly that the "drama" you're supposed to be interested and invested in is just an chore that becomes a boring, infuriating mess that isn't fun to navigate.
@@Sillypersondrawing danny phantom is the best example of how not to do it.
It was worse since the show never developt as to why sam fell for danny and Danny for sam. While seeing the show, i never liked their romance, now that i'm older and developt as a person i came to learn to despise it with passion, and i'm unable to understand why is so popular.
@@Sillypersondrawing What is your version of a love triangle done well? They're dramatic by nature
@@Sillypersondrawing That’s true, Ninjago’s an example (Jya and Coya an example of an annoying love triangle)
I actually never knew what it meant to ship characters until Starco became a thing and don't get me wrong, I really wanted them to become a thing and while I always knew they would end up together, the ending of SvsE was hands down one of the worst I have ever had the displeasure of seeing in my entire life. Doesn't ruin my overall love for the show, but I see no excuse as to why it couldn't have been handled better.
They would've been better off as friends like partners in crime
@@aayy9540 true tho starco felt forced
Starco as close friends would have worked so much better.
Me and my sister were just talking about this the other day, I believe iirc they were being cancelled after their last season so they had to rush the whole plot yet somehow managed to put in so much filer because of trying to fit in romance and other story lines. If they had been given at least one more season they *might* have been able to flesh out the transition to Starco better AND focus on the whole Earth/Mewni thing plus some.
Personally overall many ships are good or had the potential to be good in the show, but the ending definitely feels cheap and unexplained. 😕
Well as their friendship was developed I also think they're ship suddenly was there 🤨
I always hated the way Starco was handled and just the ship in general. Trying to have the two main characters have romantic drama ends up being the most awkward thing ever. I remember being told to end myself because I didnt ship Starco 💀 the Star vs fanbase was probably the most toxic and disgusting fandom Ive ever taken part in.
It was full of young girls/boys who didn’t really understand that if they actually got up and made an effort to find a partner instead of inserting themselves as said character, they’d be pretty good. But alas, they were too obsess and lonely.
Fr. They should have stayed friends
@@rennn6698 I was HOPING for them to stay friends after the first several episodes of Season 1. But nope! Couldn't even have that.
I loved the first season because it was fun and refreshing to see two main characters of opposite gender being close without any romantic feelings in the way. One reason why so many people don't believe in man/woman platonic friendship is that you rarely find that kind of chemistry in media, especially stuff aimed at children.
I shipped it a bit but, gradually started to really ship it... in the end, I walked out disgusted by it, and wanting to smite Star & Marco for treating all their other partners like dirt.
_Watching Kelly deal with her issues of bad relationships only for Marco to immediately break up with her, Tom breaking things up himself because he could tell he was just a "placeholder" for Marco, Tom not believing that Marco kissed Star until Marco says that he really did which is sad because he came back to defend Marco & still did after the confirmation, etc._ it was honestly pretty heartbreaking.
The closer the end drew the more I feared they would be confirmed, and the more I knew it'd be true but, that didn't stop me from feeling the embarrassment, and cringe throughout the whole thing, goodness there's no way I'll ever forget the cereal conversation, the live performance singing about how much Star loves Marco, the photo booth, and many more, I wish I could.
You hit the nail right on the head with Frost and Fire. Having Finn screw up his relationship with Flame Princess is a good idea in theory and it sets up some great development for him later down the line but they took it way too extreme. Also didn’t help that Finn and FP’s relationship was so underdeveloped. A lot of it happens off screen so when Finn messes it up it feels like it ended too quickly
I think Frost and Fire was among the last couple episodes before I stopped watching Adventure Time. I kind of gradually lost interest when it turned out this season was _double the length_ of previous seasons and was only at the halfway point
@@ArendAlphaEagle I highly recommend you keep watching. Seasons 5 and 6 are rocky but have some good stuff in them, and 7-10 are genuinely great and possibly better than the first 4 seasons
@@ArendAlphaEagle I encourage you to pick it back up, Adventure Time is a masterpiece
agreed
@@squill9446 its not difficult to be better than the first two or even 3 seasons considering they re not really very well regarded.
Shipping isn’t a bad thing but it’s incredible how out of control things can get.
Remember to steer it carefully or else it might sink or crash
It's scary how people can take shipping so seriously, the 'My Hero Acadamia' fandom is an absolute nightmare because of shipping
@@blackdrag0nfish fr I’m not in the fandom I’m a enjoyer of the plot not a fan I can’t be a fan I’m not entering that hell scape
Tell that to RoosterTeeth.
This is why I don't like fan driven ships since they basically ruin it.
Mordecai always didn't know what he wanted. As a kid I thought he was like 16 but now I searched it and realised he's 23.
Man he made 23 look good
@TheGlassesPro, I remember viewing Rigby as immature, and Mordecai as the cooler & more mature one but, as the show went on the two completely swapped, and it really shocked me.
He said he and Rigby were 23 from the first episode
@@DDarkestKnight I'm not gonna judge
no WAY he's a grown adult he always acts like he's 15
Shipping isn't honestly a bad thing, if done right and not just because fans want it. I only find it irksome if the connection to characters is often based off one small thing and not because they built up the relationship through the series. Overall, I don't mind if ships happens, but the writers do need to learn how to do it in a more natural and engaging way.
Wubbzy x Daizy for life.
Alfur x Adeline rep
@@definitelynotapervert5602
I didn't know Hilda ships even existed....
But they definitely fit together tho.
Does David x Frida exist?
Rule of thumb, if ya reverse the genders and you think it's super creepy... dont, dont do it. Lol
Imagine a male Korra saying "When youre with him youre thinking about me" to a female Mako on top of that dating her sister lol
Sweet shit when you actually explain that scene in its entirety it really sounds fucked up goddamn…
Ah a fello E;R enjoyer, I salute thee my brother.
@@georgethompson1460 same here!🙋🏽♀️
actually doesn't that bad either
It hurts my soul that a show like Star Vs went down the way it did. Especially when it had a great villan like Toffee and the solid character development that Ludo and even Tom had to a degree. It sucks that the writters ended up slacking off the last two seasons instead of actually giving a damn to finish what could have been a great show.
Later seasons were only worth watching for Eclipsa's development
It also doesn’t help that the creator of the show rudely dismissed any criticism of the finale in a Reddit AMA by saying that she was HAPPY with the ending and those who hated the ending for feeling it was rushed were merely “unhappy” that it was ending which just shows how she cannot take any criticism whatsoever.
I don't hate S3 and S4. I'm of the belief that even at its worst the show would still watchable, but it was never too amazing in the first place
And Disney getting flack for "SvtfoE was suppose to have an extra season but got cancelled!" rumours going around, like regardless if Disney cut Star short or not, what was the show's excuse for having SO MUCH filter going on? I hate that Disney went out and cut TOH short (for not "fitting the brand", like WHAT), but Star, if the rumours were true, DID NOT deserve another season, they'd just add more mind-numbing nonsense (did we REALLY need a whole episode of Janna and Tom goofing around with A BOOT?) instead of using the time to really dive into depth with the lore and characters, a waste to a show that had so much potential.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Voltron: Legendary Defenders. That fandom was a nightmare.
Dear God that fanbase was a godforsaken trainwreck from Hell.
I once heard it said that everything that fanbase touched turned to ash.
that problem would have been too easy tho lol, almost low- hanging fruit at that point
He about shipping in show not the fandom itself
While VLD was a Category 7 nuclear disaster of a fandom, the ships within the canon itself took up very little real estate. If anything, Allura/Lance was not set up nearly as much for anyone to really root for it, even if one wasn’t a delusional Klance fan who believed the sun revolved around that ship.
The less said about Shiro, the better but suffice it to say everyone on the show’s staff was way too terminally online with this fan base. No one deserved death threats but the constant interaction w this horrid fandom made things a lot worse.
The last thing you want in a relationship is for the reception to go from
“They deserve each other 🥰”
to
“They deserve each other 😒”
This was basically my reaction when Ben 10 started dating Kai lmao 💀
@@error-try-again-later ugh don't remind me of that, hated that aspect of the later seasons of OV, that and the whole spanner thing. not helping is the whole petty arguments between them and the writers try pass it as "they like each other" hate that trope (if it even is one)
Romance? What romance? It's always two angsty parties passive-aggressively deciding not to date until they do at the very end of a show.
Exactly. You just summed up the main problem with the “romance” in some of these shows.
And if they do date in in the middle of the show, they'll break up at some point over something that could have been solved in 5 minutes if they just talked to each other.
@@myeeeeeh Looking at you, SAGE.
If you think about it, a ship is basically just a fan theory. And just like fan theories , they aren't inherently bad, but can become a problem if the creator has to appeal to them too much.
Not has to. They decide to appeal to them. No one is forcing them.
@@theautumnwind8437 Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)].
Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF. Also People need to respect each other's headcanons as long those headcanons don't Include disgusting things (Like R@pe, P3DOPHILIA, Z00PHILIA, etc...)
But Hey that's just a theory...
A GAME THEORY
As much as I joke about them, I don't hate ships in of themselves. Lord knows I've shipped a few characters myself. However, when you're a fan of series like Sonic, RWBY, and Genshin, you tend to get annoyed and sometimes scared with how seriously people take their ships.
Yep
Unless you're someone like me.
Who has only two ships they like-
Katara X Aang From Avatar
And Izuku Midoriya From Boku No Hero Academia X Yang Xiao Long From RWBY
Since for me. Both ships make sense. Are super adorable/wholesome. And are fun to watch.
And really doesn't care about shipping at all.
But hey. What do I know?
Virgin obsessive shipper vs Chad Average Plot/Character Development Enjoyer
@@dylansmith5206 When I was a kid I thought Katara was too old for Aang, must have been the height difference or something.
Always thought she was more sisterly.
Ah, the "good" ol' days of Sonamy. The time where I learned that yes, people can be super engrossed in a fictional romance between anthro rodents. Thankfully, I feel like things have toned down even in the actual series to where Amy's less "Sonic crazed fangirl who can track him like a bloodhound" and more "Sonic's loyal friend who has a massive crush she can subdue (especially in IDW)". Then again, I haven't really kept tabs on Sonamy so maybe they still feel personally attacked by a teenage chipmunk.
Honestly, even as an 8 year old I always get second hand cringe simply from watching Mordecai's relationship status go so high for one moment and then crash and burn litterally the next episode.
Fucking same man.
Honestly ..
That’s the only major thing I didn’t like about Regular Show
@@Cosmologyelle Yeah because that was the only thing I hated about Reguoar Show.
Yeah, I remember getting genuinely annoyed at that crap.
As an aromantic person, the obsession with romance and treating it like a superior form or relationship that happens in media and sometimes fandoms is annoying and exhausting. Some stories just do not need romance, and can even be made worse by forcing it
Aromantic person? Well aren’t you lucky
I agree
im not aromantic myself but i strongly agree with what you said- some movies also add unnecessary romance- it completely ruins the whole story for me
X2 I'm not aro but I 100% agree with you, romance is so overused and some stories shouldn't or don't need to have it
I like romance the most if it serves as a sub-plot. Giving the characters enough moments and I will accept it. But literally forcing it (let it ruin the storyline and create confusions) and writing it like a first-sight love Disney romance is a no for me.
I’ve never watched Ladybug but the love square seems like it’s insanely convoluted. How have neither of them figured out Marionette is Ladybug and Adrian is Cat Noir especially with how much they interact? Even in Invincible (great show, definitely recommend) William figured out pretty easily that it was Mark behind the mask and so does Amber (though that comes with it own set of problems).
The crazy part, if I remember this correctly, is that Marinette's best friend (Ayla) and Adrien's best friend (Nino) not only BOTH know each other's secret identity (Rena Rouge and Carapace, respectively), but have _also_ been dating each other. _Marinette and Adrien could've been that as well!_
The crazy part is that the show is more famous for the Olympic love whatchamacallit and how completely stupid Hawk/Shadow/Moth is as a villain/the pushover Adrian is/the serial killer Marinette is - all barely constrained by what can only be described as a Saturday Morning cartoon framing device.
I hope to reach that level of infamy when I write.
The whole love triangle is basically the main reason to why the show is still going the plot and the story are a complete medd at this point i just watch people's thoughts on the show instead
@@ArendAlphaEagle Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)].
Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF
@@eatatjoes6751 Bro William Afton [FNAF] feels like a better villian than Hawkmoth at times
They had so many ways to make starco official without ruining it
Agreed
Jarco was always the show's best ship
@Shatho Ntabeni I prefer Jarco more but I feel Starco could have worked if the writers weren't so focused on their bias and actually built up the relationship
Kellco ngl was robbed though
@@roo1014 to be honest, youre right
@@roo1014 omg same
"Had turned into a mushy teen melodrama consisting of the writers smashing their toys together until the debris created something resembling a story hook" is such a perfect line
What you describe Finn’s character makes a lot sense. Even if I agree what he did is sadistic, doesn’t automatically mean I’m completely against his character since it was out of character for him to do.
I think it’s a good lesson on how not to be toxic
@@typicalghost6930
But why not build up a new character that was ALREADY toxic to teach that?
@@felixdaniels37 mmm. Finn hasn't learned that lesson, Finn is a kid, a kid who doesn't always have the best moral paragon, he's still a kid.
@@baboin1851
But that's not a lesson Finn even needs to learn, because it's not even believable that he'd DO something like that to begin with. It's not about being moral, it's about consistency.
@@felixdaniels37 To be fair, that kind of happened? Jake's wise but he constantly gets gassed up with affirmation, Tiffany's a rare sight but would be what Finn could have been at his worse, and his first crush of the show Bubblegum had ALOT under the hood. Finn has that toxicity all around him, and it's what led him with his spiral down with Flame Princess. It's just, it never went to Tier 15-
Honestly relationships/romance in the western media should just do the Fire Emblem type approach of character relationship building.
C Rank: First Interaction
B Rank: Getting to know each other
A Rank: The bonds of the two characters have gotten stronger
S Rank: They fall in love and gets married
Fair enough. If you can't do romantic drama well, but still want lovers in your story, then you can at least build up to them tying the knot in a timely manner and NOT drag it out... at all!
If by Fire Emblem approach, you just mean real life
My brother in Christ FE forces almost every possible couple into a shotgun marriage after only three conversations with each other (or if you're Chrom, one is enough)
Aka the most boring thing ever. There needs to be conflict, something to hook the viewer, otherwise the romance is as bland as a piece of white bread dipped in water.
Horror as a genre doesn't fucking compare to how scary it is to write romance.
A good romance subplot can make something average feel great and wholesome, while a mediocre romance can make any great show unbearable.
Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them) and same can be applied to the other kids, y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-6] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)].
Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF
There is romance that is so bad it becomes a psychological thriller
I'm surprised you didn't talk about Total Drama. The romance there can get interesting and sometimes good, but then, you get to the elephant in the room, the trashiest and most exhausting character/relationship assassination because the network said so.
I'm surprised he didn't bring up the worst mlm ships ever: Shiro and his off-screen relationships.
Rip Trent. Cool based music dude that don't care about nothing turned to insecure cringe soy. 😔🙏
@Franst he went German
(Get it? Nine? Nein? OK I'll see myself out
@@YujiUedaFanMLM?
@@SpartanJoe193 Gay relationship basically.
I've been on the internet since 2008 and the amount of fandoms that have gone down in flames because of shipping drama is concerning.
These are fictional characters, never take shipping seriously or as the absolute most important thing a story can give (that absolutely goes for writers as well).
Also NEVER ship real people, it's cringe.
Not to mention creepy. Remember the Septiplier craze. It almost destroyed Sean and Marks friendship
Honestly I'm glad that I left the shipping community since 1. It was toxic AF. 2. Some of the ships don't make any sense. 3. The Fanfics and Fanart are pretty bad especially the R34 ones💀. 4. Its basically a F**king warzone. 5. They treat Criticism of their pathetic ship like it's a F**king warcrime. Honestly I could write a F**king essay of how bad the shipping community is and Thank God I left that community. I'm never going back there ever again. And Some things don't need shipping at all, like FNAF. Why would you have shipping in a series that includes dead kids, broken adults, and Animatronics that are powered by souls or agony, and Honestly to me the only instances where shipping make sense is with William Afton and his wife [also something like Evan and Cassidy, I only really see them as friends and to me Evan x Cassidy would only really work properly is if it's in an AU where both of them never died (and if there's no NSFW of them), y'know?] or His Son, Mike [the nightguard from FNAF 1-3] and Mary [the Nightguard from a FNAF fan game called Five Nights at Candy's (FNAC)].
Other than those examples I don't really see a need for ships in FNAF
@@ntfoperative9432 excuse me the WHAT!?
@@jimskywaker4345 about a decade or so ago, someone I guess jokingly shipped Jacksepticeye and Markiplier. Then people started taking it way to seriously, to the point that both Sean and Mark were getting sent fan art. It got so bad that when Sean and Mark got the opportunity to meet up, they actually felt uncomfortable next to each other, and it almost destroyed their friendship, but luckily before that happened Septiplier left the public conscious
It's the Lateralus guy