The Science of OCD | Sci Guys Podcast
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- Опубліковано 3 кві 2021
- This week we chat about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), the commonly misunderstood condition that affects millions of people worldwide!
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listening to this as a person with ocd while i do my getting ready for bed routine and all the compulsions that came with it certainly felt like some kind of hilarious dramatic irony
I think Luke's point about Autistic symptoms and OCD symptoms overlapping a lot is really accurate, I've thought that myself about the two.
From what I've read (I have OCD and am being referred to autism and adhd services) people with ocd, autism or adhd often have some combination of them comorbid
Luke says a lot of really great stuff
I have ocd and Aspergers it’s very confusing
heyy yeah same. i have ocd and autism and ive wondered about this for very long and came to the conclusion that: if u are being threatened by anxiety due to some sort of thought aka an obsession which puts a gun to ur head and says 'recount how many of plastic beads u still have bc what if ur cat has eaten one and is choking and dying' aka compulsion then its ocd. any other reason for repetitive behaviour other than the threat of anxiety is not ocd. i have autistic rituals (which sounds.. interesting) like i tap some surfaces before engaging with them e.g. i tap flat surface things like laptops, boards etc when i wanna pick them up just cuz it feels right. if i dont do it, i wont panic abt it slipping and killing my newborn cousin or sm,, i just end up being uncomfortable and idk like a hard boiled egg lmfao. it feels way more sensory than cognitive. with ocd, its all abt the anxiety and thoughts attached to it, with autism its sensations and certain minor types of synesthesia u get from autism. for instance, if i dont do an autistic repetitive behaviour like touch textured surfaces with both hands for an even amount of time, then i just feel like someone is breathing down my neck or just an immediate gross sensory feeling. with ocd, if i had this compulsion, it would require it being to stop a stream of anxiety inducing worries and doubts.
another reason for autistic ppl having rituals is constancy and feeling like nothing is changing so it feels safe. i have things spaced out in my room in not the most intuitive way, but i will not change it for now bc it just feels like my room and my room is safe. if u get attached to the way things are, u can potentially avoid them changing and/or actively fight against it changing sort of like ocd sufferers do. lets have another quick example for this - mark and melissa have the same ritual. mark has ocd, melissa is autistic and they both make sure that their lucky charm is always with them. mark has assigned comfort and safety on the lucky charm and whenever he finds it in his chest pocket, he feels calmer, more focused and can be calmed down from meltdowns/sensory overload easier. its important that its there for him as its his constant. melissa is deathly afraid of accidentally going back in time as her ocd obsession (true story, i have this obsession! corry was right when he said it can be ANYTHING) and reminds herself every time she fishes out her lucky charm that theres no way she can be back to her 15 year old self decades ago because she only got this lucky charm 2 years ago. she checks on it to remind her panicky brain that shes not stuck in the past and shouldnt worry about time loops and paradoxes.
hope that helps people! and please tell me what you think.
"its not OCD if its something else"
- corry 2021
As someone with OCD, I really appreciate bringing up intrusive thoughts being ego-dystonic and that OCD has a large range of the types of thoughts and compulsions. It's so misunderstood by so many people as just liking being clean or organized, when it's way more than that and can be genuinely debilitating. I love your podcast, keep up the good work guys
It’s nice that existential ocd was brought up because this one is usually unheard of. I suffer from this and it can be very unsettling and even debilitating. Wish more people knew about it
my first concert was Little Mix at the o2 but I didn't realise that people stood up and sang at concerts so I spent the whole time complaining about the audience singing
Exactly me
my old psychologist called that exposure therapy "urge surfing". imagine having an itch on your arm and being told not to scratch it. it gets itchier and itchier by the second and you know scratching it will make it go away but you're not allowed to. that's what it's like trying to control the compulsions. and they come along more when you are forced to sit and think about not doing them. it's torture but did help somewhat in the long run. i should definitely go back to therapy eek
So late to the party 😂 binge watching old episodes. THANK YOU for talking about PANDAS. It’s a really under diagnosed and ignored condition. It would be amazing if you could do a full episode on it (I’m going to go check in case you already have). Love the show.
This was very useful. Ive been diagnosed w general anxiety, panic disorder, ptsd, and ocd. Ive dealt w anxiety and ocd for like as long as i can remember. But post trauma all my symptoms intensified, so on top of trauma flashback, everything else got much more troubling. I stopped being able to work, had to move back home out of state back to my mom and i start a new therapist on the 7th. Im super anxious about it but we're doing a phone call appt until i can see if i can feel okay enough to see her in person. It's taken such a huge toll on my life. I stopped seeing friends, stopped doing things i love and enjoy, stopped doing anything w family out of fear. It can take over at any time, and also no one can touch me nor can i touch anything outside of my room which has been clean and sanitized. Really hoping this therapist is good for me. Ive been through so many different therapists and medications. If anyone reads this please just wish me luck.
Good luck, friend! Hope the new therapist will help and your life will get easier!
I'm a bit late but I truly do wish you the best. You have probably already proved this to yourself but our capacity of strength in situations like these is truly infinite. Hope the universe finally brings you the ''normalcy'' and happiness you deserve. Best of luck!!
@@sky.ll8r163 thank you so much
Had ocd since I was seven or eight but had no clue it was ocd till I was sixteen and didn’t get any treatment that helped with it till I was seventeen
It was really debilitating and horrible
How on earth do you guys not have more followers? How is everyone in the world not watching???!!
Love the podcast so much
The first gig I went to was a Queen tribute concert called magic, they did a bit of comedy and it was amazing, they're also an ELO tribute.
57:34 I am so obsessed with what he's talking about! I remember when I was in onthology class and we were talking about how we construct objetctivity, which we do by comparing the subjective (individual) experiences. When one of those experiences differs from the objectivity that has been constructed by a group of individuals, it gets pathologized and excluded. Foucault talks a lot about this too!
also my first big gig was The cure!
I grew up going to small festivals but I think the first gig I chose to go to was an Emma Blackery:)
Also I have OCD and it's interesting how it changes and adapts with my age and who I am around. Like with my bf it's like he is immune to my compulsions.
At the time of my diagnosis I had a lot of obsessions around textures (just right ocd) and so my therapist was interested in also giving me an autism diagnosis which is interesting as another link to it not necessarily being an anxiety disorder but rather a result of neurodivergency (tho ofc that is not a mental health illness).
If you are interested in what it's like to live with OCD I would recommend Am I Normal Yet? By Holly Bourne, it is a YA novel but it perfectly describes the feelings (at least that I experience) of having OCD.
Great book! Really helped me when I got my OCD diagnosis
@@IndieAppleTreeVids yeah i love it, the representation was great when talking to my friends about diagnoses :)
I'm a musician, in a band and everything, but my first and ONLY gig was also the Wiggles ✌😔💔
You were talking about your grandma Corry and boy do I have a story. When my great-grandparents died in 2008(?) we cleared out their house and found piles upon piles of newspapers in their attic and my parents and my dads cousins ect started looking for newspapers from their birthday, which I should point out is the 70s!!!
my first gig i ever went to was in 2016 lol btw love the intro very catchy (not sure i spelt that right)
The first gig I went to was a band called Rend Collective in 2018. The support act was Guvnor B
my first gig was either the wiggles, hi-5 or play school. jamp knows what I'm talking bout
not lying i wrote this before jamp said his was the wiggles. love that twinsie
First gig I ever went to was a KT Tunstall concert!
Love these videos so much, they're so interesting to listen to and have helped me learn a lot and build a passion for science, I was even inspired to study science in university :)
The first concert I went to was the Taylor Swift RED tour. And I spent the whole thing reading Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoniex 😂
The first concert I went to was the Best of Both Worlds tour with Miley Cyrus & the Jonas Brothers
First gig? Wow! Mine was One Direction in Cardiff with McBusted as the support act! Such an incredible experience, I sobbed, screamed and sang along to every song. Very jealous of Corry seeing McFly (although I have O2 tix for them in November)!
Really looking forward to this episode! My mum has some traits of OCD so it’ll be nice to hopefully learn more about it. Thank you so much for doing this episode, really appreciate it.
I'm not diagnosed with OCD and I don't believe I have it, but it's interessting how you mentioned memory issues and not trusing your memory. I have ADHD and I didn't get diagnosed until I was 18, so shcool for me was a lot of missing assignments, homework and just being very unorganized all the time.
As an adult now, I realized that even though I feel like I have dates and deadlines under control, I still get this sneaking suspicion of ''well did I get the numbers right, maybe I read it wrong, maybe I misunderstod'' and it can get into a cycle og double, tripple, quatrouple checking phone numbers, adresses, dates because I know I've had problems with missing details, and it also doesn't help if for years people have just been telling you ''well clearly you aren't even trying''.
I guess the first gig I ever went to was the jazz mile at the Dixieland festival in my hometown, where different bands play on the big streets through the city center. I was probably 6 or 7 and I remember getting one of those slush ice creams
Never been to a gig before
Autistic person who also has OCD here! Autistic people do have compulsions that present similarly to intrusive thoughts but that doesn't necessarily mean they have OCD. However we are more preconditioned to developing OCD cause we are more hard-wired to these patterns of thinking.
My first concert was probably All Time Low which was great
i think the first one i went to was katy perry in 2014, it was really good tbf. also i don’t know why but it’s so entertaining reading everyone else’s answers to these questions ahh 💖
my first gig was florence and the machine when i was about 7 i think? it was great but i got so tired by the end haha still like her music though! also i’m pretty sure i have ocd lmao (doing a lot of researching) so i’m excited to watch this!
you should do an episode on pure ocd and you could have spencer freitas as a guest if they were down!
Honestly I think my first gig was the Wiggles too…but after that I don’t remember maybe Joan Jett and the Blackhearts? Either way as someone with OCD, tics, and skin picking disorder and a few others this episode made me feel really seen while still being educational for me too, I’m so glad you all made this episode :)
Are there mental health disorders that aren’t a cluster of symptoms? Like ocd, that is roughly when there are invasive thoughts and detrimental compulsions. But it isn’t super clear cut. For other things like losing a finger or having cancer, it is very much a specific “thing” are there mental health disorders that are a specific “thing” or are they all still a package of symptoms that are diagnosed as whatever label we have for it?
New found glory! Also i have this. Obsessive and complusion behaviour but bled into eating disorders too.
First gig was at a festival in a small town in Kerry in Ireland it was an ACDC tribute band
First arena gig was a solo concert by Eddie vedder from the band pearl jam
I had tickets for loads of gigs in 2020 but alas there was some small problems there
First gig I remember was the BBC Big Weekend. First time I ever heard Paramore!
First gig... teletubbies on ice
My first gig was a Danish band called the minds of 99
lets go old school youtube babie! first gig i ever went to was glee! live at the o2 rip
Mcfly was my first concert too!
I have not yet been to gig, was meant to go and see McFly but covid came along!
If gig is like pub/small show then all the local Aussie death metal and pop punk bands starting when I was 15. At my first one the singer of a band called Diamond Construct climbed onto the landing and jumped down onto the floor 'stage' area while screaming. The owner was pissed but we were cheering. No one can top that for me.
I think the first concert I went to might’ve been a Bruno Mars concert but I always hold the twenty one pilots concert I went to in 2016 in the highest regard
Do we remember “obsessive compulsive cleaners”🙃🙃🙃
The first gig I ever went to was Mc fly I think
also yea the cut off for diagnosis is really interesting - like a lot of the time the disorder needs to prevent you from being a 'productive member of society (it feels like they dont care until you are seriously ill) and if ur not u have to do everything in ur power (medication, therapy etc.) to try and make sure u can remain a productive member of society and manage it all urself - I'm not saying that seeking help is a bad thing ( i literally am so grateful and lucky to have professional support with everything I've got going on) but on the more medical side of things like in hospitals its not really about a long term, sustainable approach its more like okay so what can we do to make sure u can be a productive member of society tomorrow : / like it kinda sucks. so it very much feels like they don't care about you they just care that ur obsessions and compulsions are not preventing u from contributing to society : ( ,,, so um it would be kinda cool if they could look at the system as a whole ,, and be like hey maybe we ne need structural , systemic change inclusive of neurodivergent people because at this rate neurodivergent people so often burn themselves out trying to cope in a society not built for them , a society built by and for neurotypical people
Ive never been able to go to one but id love any kind of metal. Sorry i cant answer properly, love the show 💙
Can you do an episode on restless leg syndrome? It's absolutely bizarre. It feels really weird. It's super comorbid with ADHD, but a lot of people just have it. It's another one of those things that sits at the crossroads of neurological condition and mental condition, more so neurological though. Also can you please have Jamie on to talk about his research into trans people? He made a video on it, but I would really enjoy hearing him have a more in depth conversation about it! I know you already did an episode on trans people, but it would be super cool to have on someone who researches it.
The first concert I went to was an orchestra playing the music from doctor who! I think I was 12 at the time
The first (and only) gig I went to was a Sophie and the Giants gig in 2019 in Sheffield! It was absolutely amazing and I’d love to see them again once it’s allowed! They made me really want to go to more gigs but obviously that hasn’t happened :,)
The first gig I when to was a X factor tour looking back on it now it was ok but I would not go now if I had the chance
When I was very small my mom took me to see Bruce Springsteen at Gilette Stadium and it felt completely unreal, I'd never seen a place so big or heard anything so loud or been around so many people!! Great talk, guys, I learned a lot 🌱
Never been to one but I have tickets to a bears in trees concert that keeps getting postponed
my first concert was the Jonas Brothers i love them !
THERES ALSO LOTS OF CROSS OVERS WITH OCD AND EATING DISORDERS
My first gig was fairly recent it was the men who will not be blamed for nothing in 2019
First gig I ever went to was G-Dragon
My first concert was a church one there was a bunch of different bands there I went with my old youth group. I remember one of the bands was a rock band with fire that was cool. Also I have OCD myself and I really appreciate yall taking the time to talk about it since its so misunderstood widely.
My first gig was a rock festival with my mom as a toddler but then in 4th grade i saw Fall Out Boy with Cute Is What We Aim For and Gym Class Heroes
The first gig was madness and I was like 7 and it was super fun and at a horse racetrack. Is that weird? Idk
First concert I went to was Little mix and my mum probably enjoyed it more than I did - I had fun as well- but not as much as my mother or my two friends who were screaming.👍👍
The first gig I ever went to was Adele
Listening to this as a person with ocd is mad interesting
my first gig was probably like doodlebops as tiny child but idk if they count or not
My first gig was All time low, im sweden. The first thing they did was calling us finland 😅😂. Still one of my absolute favourite bands
My first gig Westlife because I was a really cool kid with lots of friends 😎 🤣.
I always panic that I've left the oven on to the point of where I've had to leave work, friends houses and get out bed to check that it's off. I get it even if I haven't used the oven its very annoying but I can't relax if don't check and sometimes I have to check more then once.
first gig was skillet the christian rock band
i havent been to a concert or anything yet, i have tickets to the 2020 mcr reunion thing but thats been postponed to this year and will probably be moved further lol
The first concert I went to was the black eyed peas but I was a baby and dont remember it but I heard it was a great concert :)
my first gig was an as it is show
I've never gone to a concertin my life but if I would have to choose I would go to a Set It Off concert
The first gig I went to was Busted in Manchester when I was 10 😂
ooooo, my first gig was also the wiggles
first gig was dodie!
I have actually never been to a concert but now I have friends so maybe it’s in my future
I don't exactly remember the first gig I went to i think it might have been hi-5...... Does anyone remember them ? When I think about it , it kinda feels like a fever dream lol
I went to see Katy Perry at summerfest in 2010, I’m there were other small things I had been to before her but they were all bar bands.
The one and only gig that I have attended is a bit of a story. So, I was in high school and there was this artistic event that was happening in my city. I can't remember what the function of it was, only that they needed performers and that there was going to be exhibitions and everything. So, the city recruits my high school (among others) to be part of the performance. Somehow I end up signing up for the experience. We do the rehearsals and then it is the day. We get there to the stage where the performances are happening to be told that Locnville (South African electronic boyband) was there and they were performing as well. We get to meet these people (I got my shirt signed - the most thrilling experience of it all) and we got to watch them backstage. Looking back today, it was such a wild sequence of events and I am glad I have those memories.
I haven't actually been to a gig yet, my first one is set to be Dodie, this year, in September (hopefully it still goes ahead), should be great!
Oooooo that sounds fun! Just listened to her for the first time today
first gig i ever went to was the 1975 in 2019 and it was incredible, saw them again the next year and whenever they come back to ireland i'm definitely going again!!!
Sclub 7 and sclub juniors together 🤣🤣
lovebox in 2012 was the first i can remember. and i distinctly remember being most excited to see mika but seeing grace jones was incredible
The first gig I saw was just a local band in a pub but I’m a really anxious person and always have been and since I was so young when I went I found it really overwhelming and started crying and left.
the first concert I went to was Barry Manilow. I went with my mom, her best friend, and my little sister and all three of them started crying at one point.
Was going to go to my first ever gig (seeing the Who) but it got cancelled due to the pandemic 😢
assuming "gig" means concert (not sure because english is not my main language), i haven't been to one because i don't like both music and buzy places
could you possibly do one on dyslexia
The first concert I went to I was 9 and it was a country music show in 93 or 94 with several artists but I remember Billy Ray Cyrus was a big deal. My grandparents won free tickets from the radio. The first concert that I chose who I wanted to see was when I was 14 and I saw Hanson in 98. I have now seen them in concert 39 times! I love them!
Never been to a gig. Live music is too loud for me. I can only listen to music, when it is a recording and I can turn the volume _REALLY_ low
Lololololol first gig was the wiggles too!! Had a Dorothy the Dinosaur detatchable tail and everything 😂😂
Also got diagnosed with OCD a few months back extra lololol, but hey, a thriving trans dude missing the good ol days where running around with a Dorothy tail was acceptable in public
The first gig I went to was a Carpeneters tribute band as I was Carpenters obsessed when I was younger (I obtained a Carpenters CD and played it loudly 24/7 and annoyed everyone in my house - but now they can all sing all the words to the songs on the Carpenters gold album)
I think the first gig I went to was a school talent contest... does that count? I was actually performing so maybe it doesnt?
The first proper concert I went to was to see the foo fighters,, I didn't know any of the words and i still went into school the next day even though I'd got home at 2 am
first gig - All Time Low in about 2014. Did not realise the Brixton O2 and the O2 arena were two different places - my parents were pissed
I’ve never been to a concert but I was supposed to go to an Ariana grande concert when I was quite young but it got cancelled because it f the Manchester bombing... I’m hoping to go to a yungblud concert later this year though if it’s ok with Covid...
Listening to this while doing my daily deap-clean of my house at 4.30 in the morning...
The first gig I ever went to was Warped Tour back in like 2012, but the first solo concert was Panic! At the Disco just after the Too Weird to Die album.
me during this "What if i dont have ocd"
guys with ocd will understand :)
I don't really know the definition of "gig" xddd but the only thing I could kinda call a gig that I went to was a Hollywood Undead concert with my dad when I was like 15😅 He asked me to translate some lyrics afterwards😂😂😂😂
Oh boy, I think my first gig was Lukas Graham when he released his very first album and was still pretty small and up and coming. It was great!