Is it time to rethink democracy? | Head to Head
Вставка
- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- In this episode of Head to Head, Mehdi Hasan challenges the renowned economist and thinker Dambisa Moyo on why she believes liberal democracy is under siege and requires a radical overhaul.
The best-selling author first made waves with her book Dead Aid where she argued that foreign aid was preserving poverty in Africa instead of relieving it.
Now, the former Goldman Sachs banker and World Bank consultant is taking on an even bigger target: liberal democracy.
In recent years, the West has been said to be in crisis. The election of Donald Trump in the United States, the UK's Brexit vote and the rise of far-right parties across Europe have all been cited as evidence of the failures of the current political system.
In her new book, Edge of Chaos, Moyo provides her own diagnosis for the recent rise in populism and provides a radical blueprint for change.
"The notion that democracy is not a problem is mad. It's crazy".
Dambisa Moyo,
We challenge her on whether her plans to save it - by giving some voters more power than others - will end up killing democracy instead. We also ask if economic growth is more important than political freedom.
Speaking about China and its economic model, Moyo commented how "over 300 million people have been moved out of poverty in 30 years" and suggested that the West should be careful not to "point fingers" when commenting on the country's democratic record, which was on its own particular "path".
We are joined by a panel of three experts:
Jason Hickel, anthropologist at University of London and author of The Divide: A Brief Guide to Global Inequality and its Solutions.
Ann Pettifor, author of The Production of Money and one of only a handful of economists who correctly predicted the financial crisis.
Jamie Whyte, director of research at the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) and a former New Zealand politician and philosophy lecturer.
Is it time to rethink democracy? with Dambisa Moyo will be broadcast on August 3 at 20:00 GMT and will be repeated on August 4 at 12:00 GMT, August 5 at 01:00 GMT and August 6 at 06:00 GMT.
Head to Head is Al Jazeera's forum for ideas, a gladiatorial contest tackling the big issues such as faith, nationalism, democracy and foreign intervention in front of an opinionated audience at the Oxford Union.
More from Head to Head on:
UA-cam - aje.io/headtohe...
Facebook - / ajheadtohead
Twitter - / ajheadtohead
Website - aljazeera.com/h...
Subscribe to our channel: aje.io/AJSubscribe
Follow us on Twitter: / ajenglish
Find us on Facebook: / aljazeera
Check our website: www.aljazeera....
I keep on listening to this debate over and over again.
They is a pure flow of wisdom in this
the chaos, the drama of it all
I think these 2 fell in love when she is the first person to actually insult him while in a public tv debate.
Alex Leigh she came off as straight rude and irrational.. what are you on? 🤦🏽♂️
You cannot be more right!
I was thinking the same thing. She put him in his place. 😂🙃
@@Iwaxberrox ¹
@@samanthataylor1761 No she didn't ... she just seemed argumentative. The most unintelligent speaker I have heard brought on this show so far. In to the trash can.
i had her same views when i was young, now after 7 years in the work force i rethinked a lot of opinions, educated people are not always the solution and they tend to be opportunistic and lack empathy
educated people were not specificaly educated on taking good decisions in votes ! hence educated people are also broke or thieves imposters and and and ..., just like everybody else
passing a physics exam does not make you a good voter lol
@@OpiumBride What they fear most is the working class taking power from them. The Chinese Communist Party is no more communist than Norway is socialists.
@@skepticproof,
*Indeed!*
They tend to be *very classist* and *ableist* and often *racist* as well.
True, she literally said that she empathizes on growth versus emotional reaction from common people... 🙅🏽♂️
@@Iwaxberrox Growth of profits and privilege no doubt.
More of an argument than discussion. Not letting her finish, and just criticizing the author.
Exactly!! How can you get an answer when you don't even allow author finish answering your questions. Bad journalism.
Mehdi-"You were part of GoldmanSac, which is big part of problem. Are you right person to advocate any solution?"
Mayo-"I don't understand your question, You don't understand how economy works". Not surprised, in fact Banon & Scarmucci would have similar answer.
She was kind of rude, attacking him personally and not his views.
Thats what medhi does all the time
Straight out of Mehdi’s Win every argument book. Haha
Can't think of a more compelling talkshow. Great work
can't believe that I watch it in 2022 (being too late). this is one of the fiercest debates ever. Dambisa is boldly unappologetic which is deservedly so.
IN this case, the interviewer was acting like a _robot that was programmed to ask specific questions and required specif answers_ . This is what happens when you don't read the book of the person you are interviewing and have other people tell you to attack a guest on specific phrases that they think will keep her quiet.*He only chose sentences that he thought he would use to attack her without reading the entire chapter.*
"...I said 'what if', what if is a question, what if is not a statement" :D
This is episode probably had the most interesting questions, awesome job!
Mehdi, for all his flaws as an interviewer, was presenting facts in his arguments but she used ad hominem to attack him every time she did not have a response.
Ambuj Arind she had the answers but how could she respond if everytime she tried to explain herself she got cut off?
LeKuDz98 look at the debate again, i saw this "she gets cut off" argument in many comments, and I rewatched the first 20 minutes, she cuts mahdi on 4 occasions at least. She used ad hominem 2 times
She attacked him because of the way he interviews. She makes him squirm in his seat so she can better explain her point. Attacking isn’t always non effective almost everyone who deals with politics will attack their opposer, it’s a way to make them kinda squirm and cause you to get an upper ground. I’ve seen ted do it, milo do it, Ben does it, literally probably any politician you know have done it. Thats not an argument to make her seem dumb, she knows what she’s talking about, just like he interrupts his guess so he can try to make them get confused and say the wrong thing.
His facts are just that, his truths, they are ridiculous. It doesn't take much to double check his claim that the working class voted for Hillary or that rich people voted for Trump, those two are completely off. I'm sure that she knew that and from then on took his other "facts" with a grain of salt.
You are biased. This lady is under attack from all corners. See how she answers the questions from the floors, that is more objective.
That moment Mehdi told everybody she worked at Goldman Sachs for 10 years. Her credits dropped to 0.
@Adobo Those Because during her time there she worked on debt capital markets, hedge funds coverage, and global macroeconomics. Can you seriously tell me with a straight face that she had NO clue what Goldman Sachs (GS) were doing leading up to the global financial crisis of 08? She definitly lost all of her credability after she DENIED that GS was complicit AFTER they publicly admitted their wrongdoing and dishonest behavior which they even paid a huge fine for! Even if she did have no clue, then the answer would of been "I don't know", but to deny it after there's clear evidence and an admission of guilt? That's why I believe she lost her credability!
this black woman is so intellectual
am rwandan, i love how u silenced them about our country even though ur not rwandan
even though they were not even willing to understand u
She’s so intellectual. Why?Because she can parrot what the white man taught her? She a tool of her globalist masters used to impress people like you.
Slow down son
@@robroy7456 we need to think as Africans
@@kapambwekapambwe4131 no slowing down in Rwanda 🇷🇼
Stop interrupting the guest, Medhi!
I want to hear her defend her position - not you ragging on.
What a trash of an interviewer and host. If Al Jazeera wishes to be taken seriously, remove this moron and hire people who know how to conduct interviews that actually draw the guests to expand and not narrow their positions. He actually had the gall "so we are in agreement then". The guest is not there to agree with you or prove that you're right to soothe your very tiny ego!
Interruptions are meant to be as they should be. Mehdi has a sharp intellect and he wants a postmortem report from his audience. I think he does a good job . Asking only comfortable points is not the point of even the pragramme he is hosting.
The problem lies in her flying off on a tangent becoming hard to understand as the man has a show to host in which his guests must follow.
I recommend all of you to check Plato's views about democracy
Lol , indeed
We don't need to rethink democracy. We just need to beat fascism again.
Great interview, Ms. Moyo defended herself extremely well.
No she didn’t, she started acting like a child and disrespected the host right from the beginning. Her arguments are weak too.
No she didn't. She was just unnecessarily using disrespectful insults whenever he asked her a reasonable question.
U sure? 😅
Never knew about this black and beautiful strong woman I love the way she defend her self I love it she has some wisdom 👍
What wisdom? Hand even more power BACK to the people who oppress her own???
She seemed very loud, arrogant and ignorant.
I disagree with Dambisa, but also disappointed by Mehdi and the panelists.
1. I don't understand why Mehdi Hasan is so hostile to the guest (Dambisa), the tone and framing of his questions is clearly shows that he was biased against her. Ofc he's the type of journalist who like to ask difficult questions, which is good, but please don't frame your guest, we are here to get new knowledge and information, *not* to "prove" that your guest is wrong.
2. Ann Pettifor (the female panelist) is pretty good at dismantling Dambisa, she didn't intentionally "provoke" the author but explain her viewpoint with clarity. Yet she's unable to do discussion, she only make set of statements but did not asking questions or making inquiry. In short, she's good at explaining her own points, but she close her mind to Dambisa's view.
3. Jason Hickel is a terrible panelist, he's full of contempt toward Dambisa and couldn't even discuss or talk about something that didn't match his original viewpoint. He's the ultimate example of narrow-mindedness.
This talk is *useless,* they are unable to get anything from this discussion, just a group of people forcing their own view and *accusing* (instead of discussing with) Dambisa.
Immanuel Herman i guess m. Hassan was doing his job, a show like this is made to really challenge the guest with questions that mainstream people would ask, i think mahdi isn't the guy who would frame someone for their point of view on democracy, but he tries to see the problem as a typical person who will read mrs moyo's book and put her in that frame. By asking that framed question , he allows her to address the matter. The economist lady, has very strong arguments against mrs moyo book.
You shoul've mentioned the way Mrs. moyo looks down on the host using ad hominem je each time she gets stuck (you didn't read my book - you seems very ignorant of this so i will teach you...) and uses whataboutism to defend her point of view, which is very disappointing if not pathetic. Also by the end, she talks about visiting China in tourist mode, and claiming that she knows more about china just because she went there for few days.
Last, but also on china, she praises the political model of china "focused on the society" But then talks about how black people struggle to vote is a lesson of fighting for rights. Here where jason hickel had point this duality of viewing the same problem but he failed and instead looked like he didn't read her book.
Mohamed Nidabdella
I think Mehdi sour the interview by saying "just because you write it doesn't mean it's true" right in the beginning.
My reaction is like: Ofc sherlock, that's why you are there. He should ask her why and get more info about her view, not to trying to disprove her.
Mehdi also trying to frame her as "untrustworthy" because she was working for a big bank, which Mehdi believe as main perpetrator of 2008 housing bubble and financial crisis, therefore she's guilty by association. That's just stupid.
Immanuel Herman Exactly, the first point is a fair criticism of Mehdi's way of "challenging" the guest and i guess he could've been more professional. But the second part is as I mentioned Mehdi putting himself in the shoes of someone interested in economy who saw a best sller and read it only to discover that the writer is a GS former employee. But what I found more interesting is the weak way Mrs. Moyo answered that, she could've done better instead of adressing the association fallacy of Mehdi, she went on an ad Hominem one. I know that you may work with/for a company without agreeing to its different strategies, but other people don't see it that way, and Mrs. moyo had the chance to dismentle that idea and unfortunately missed it.
@Immanuel Herman What you describe as a flaw (in your first point) IS the very clear purpose and interest of the show. Did you see the success of past season? Mehdi was NOT less hostile to ideas he identified as false or dangerous, and that's what watchers of the show seem to actively want. You can have polite exchange of ideas ALL OVER the channels, but no no no this one ALSO must conform to the same all-too-known recipe? If you're here to take information you're at the wrong place. Get informed then come rewatch the debate, it'll be much more interesting.
Some day, people will complain that John Oliver always feels the need to joke about everything during his news flash...
Immanuel Herman I can’t agree with you more👍
Why she is angry and aggressive,
Don't write books if u can't explain it to ppl .
DUMB
I think she explains it very well when Mehdi allows her time to do so. She was very aggressive though
Angry and aggressive ? The lady simply won't let Mehdi bully her, period. Ms. Moyo handled herself well.
Millions of students took masters entry examination this year in China. Millions of people get educated and lifted from poverty. Families priorities education and culture. I agree there are problems just like any and every country in the world. The mistakes and problems in China now will be solved and addressed in the near future. China is heading in the right direction.
Sincerely Kenyan.
I really do wish speakers had second to explain academic material. The interruption helps get your perspective more than theirs
I LOVE this woman! What a fire show!!
We need courageous innovative thinkers like Dambisa to shake us out of our ideological blind spots. It's a pity that only one panelist (the NZ gentleman) is able to listen and discuss her ideas in a spirit of intellectual good faith.
IMHO, I thought Dambisa Moyo spoke very well and answered most questions fully. It seemed some questions were put out of context as she pointed out at one point. To me she is offering ideas/comparisons that MAY offer a solution and to do this a person must look at all sides the question concerns. At no time did I feel or hear her say that there was only one solution to the issues she spoke/wrote about, often giving both sides (good and bad) to the answer. Worth a Watch!! :)
Robert S. haha
in last thousand years, all countries is rules by the minority, democracy is also a Utopian
Why so few clicks?! this is like the best thing I've seen in a long time.
His hate for America makes him hard to watch. He calls America terrorists but then ignores all terrorism related to Islam.
@@danieldboyharper7414 wiki leaks
@Chuck Green of Green Drywall Solutions look, VICE worshiper, lol🤭
All she is doing is saying
You havent read the book properly
If shes saying that to everyone then maybe it wasnt written well enough it clearly didnt portray her ideas well enough
Think you need to watch the interview again, she was basically pointing out that he’s ignorant in the topic of global economics, which i would have to agree with. When he referenced her book, such as chapter seven, he tries to interpret her meaning is what she is saying no sorry but you’re way off, i suspect he didnt even read the book but instead had othger people read it for him. He was over his head and she destroyed him.
He is criticizing her book and giving snippets and not the whole story. How do you expect her to reply.
I never believe democracy can bring economical improvement - LKY
Think this guest is tougher than the previous 2 by far.. in terms of argument and resistance to Mehdis counter points
She definitely is. She gave as good as she got...well she gave better , although I'm not agreeing with her.
I couldn’t agree more, I felt like she owned Mehdis, he was punching above his weight class this time around.
Agreed. Enjoyed her hustle. He backed off in part 2.
No. The notion that she talked over everyone who criticized her is a sign of desperation. Which is how she come off and no one would take her seriously
To me, she came off as condescending and unknowledgeable. Maybe she does know what she is talking about, but her answers and the way she spoke made me think otherwise. You can be very knowledgeable and a very bad public speaker at the same time.
Emperor Scott Yee perhaps you just feel threatened by a well spoken, knowledgeable woman, who could defend herself when she is misquoted, and misinterpreted. She took her punches and hit back, i loved the jabs! End of the day this debate goes to the guest not the host.
@@sjive830 wow really?
Any critique against a woman is mansplaining and feeling threatened.
The jabs only showed how desperate she is which also shows when she Talks before thinking like when she said in the age of fake News urban Legende become facts
When she doesn't know the answers... all you do is insult mehdi accusing him of not knowing what he is discussing...seriously...how old is she?
and how old are you???????????
and you are 94 and wasting your time guessing her years instead of just watching
How it is she is slang mate😅
grace njeru its slang mate
grace njeru i aint guessing her age...m just putting foward this point: why is she insulting him instead of answering
If you have to explain every chapter of your book? It is Not worthy a Penny.
If I have to explain every chapter of this book
Means you belong in the warehouse stocking shelves.
She is a smart woman. It's so true what she said about China
This woman got something. Hate her or love her. What she is simply saying is that while pointing fingers to China, Russia etc., you should look around western Europe and see the problems nobody wants to talk about and she sees the Chinese model as much better. While most western country complains about China and Russia, they are their best business partners but kept talking nonsense about them and they will never respect anything that is not a western European ideology.
The host is very hostile, and disrespectful, you do not cut off your guess while she is trying to deliver her answer!
@Imran md, if you don't not think the host is hostile and disrespectful and love to cut her off while she was talking, you must hate women with intelligent! you sounds like a proud trumpest to me!
Are you talking about Arnab Goswami?
he is actually not a host, this show has always been a debate.
and thats why its better than almost all political shows in the world, the interviewer actually gives these people a freakin hard time as they deserve, proper interviewing this is.
She is pretty tough, but not that intellectual to be honest, when ever she was asked a tough question she just attacked mehdi instead of answering.
Dave Ton agreed. The same can be presented in a tone where instead of offending someone we he could work towards bringing them to his side by making them understand the inherent & underlying problem, if rethinking democracy is the topic i would want everyone on board to agree, understand & move forward.
PS: not at all a fan of Mehindi & the brigade of such journalist who earn their living just by degrading their guests in their show. Arnab Goswami & his cast of reporters, news readers & journalist are are disgrace to information media. I am not challenging their intelligence, but rather a presentation of themselves.
If the change in democracy is required. This type of behavior is of utmost importance to change as well, nexus this is actually the abuse of the very democracy that he advocates to change.
Come debate with me.
@Siddarth Sherpa We all often write "lol" to convey a certain amused perspective without actually laughing "out loud". But here your "Come debate with me." has achieved that :'-) Thank you.
Can this guy to shut up and ask question after she has finished her argument?
Rwanda and H.E Paul Kagame are currently doing an amazing economic work....Facts
She came prepared, put him in his place and took charge of the conversation. Also helps to be right.
Douglas Hurd she also ate a parrot 🦜😂🙅🏽♂️
U sure id***?
Medhi , this is one brilliant woman !!!!! I fully agree with her !
This lady is brilliant.
The lady insults with impunity with the assumption that she knows best and others need to be educated until they agree with her. Not trustworthy.
@MD Talha Ansari, have you any solution ?
@@dreday14 For the current flawed democratic model? Yes. Have a set of laws that cannot be changed by a human mandate of any size or magnitude at any time. Not just that, but also have a fixed method of interpreting the laws and a minimum set of social requirements to be fulfilled before implementing the laws.
Example
Laws - Quran
Method of interpretation - Sunnah
Social conditions to be fulfilled before implementing the laws - the Prophet Muhammad's (Peace be upon him) rule and the Rashidun Caliphate
Case in point - When Umar (May Allah be pleased with him) suspended the law of cutting a thief's hand when a man was caught stealing some necessities of life during a famine and the state couldn't provide for his basic needs.
@@mdtalhaansari1096 Quran as your law book? Will African rastaman like me also practice your Sunnah? You want to use an over 4000 years old book as your law guide as the case is in Saudi Arabia where a woman can drive a car since 2018? Where are you from pls?
@@dreday14 thie zio-pig and their western puppets have brought a" 5000 year old" spurious book to depopulate a native population.did u forget or just one of them?
I admire her assertiveness for pointing out some perspectives in an emerging market. The question remains, whether this idealized growth recommendations in the economy will be worth its implied cost in an actual society.
She isn’t assertive, she is immature
@Ismael barrera You are immature as you cant even understand her lack of maturity. For you it is normal. How obsessed are you?
@Ismael barrera You’re the one with the accusations you weirdo
@@JaKommenterar In an extend, quite true.
Brilliant! Kudos to Dambisa Moyo, a lady of vision, wisdom & knowledge, God bless! 👍👍👍🙏😇🌈✨
Wisdom? Litmus tests for voting? What are you a fascist?
I liked her but she seemed unsecure in many situations that's why she was insulting him on purpose , she looks like a victim of bullying !
the host is regularly interrupting the guest response. the show became an interrogation than a good discussion of ideas.
If you look at other stuff with Mehdi Hasan you soon realize that that's what he's about, not trying to understand and trying to make the guests look stupid and getting laughed at by playing around with words making invalid points. He's not a serious journalist
Dambisa talks about the perception of Africa, yet she worked for Goldman-Sachs, what is her experience working for an NGO focused in African aid, or dealing with any government in Africa. Corruption is a real problem here.
Corruption is a real snake..put in place by the West to assert CONTROL!!!!!
Dog文凯High Dambisa was also born in Zambia, pretty sure she would have witnessed corruption first hand.
LeKuDz, She grew up in Zambia, yet she can't seem to understand why bureaucracy, and working in those countries is so complicated. As soon as she got her degree she got out of there and left to the United States working for the World Bank & Goldman Sachs, she has lost perspective and growing up in a country doesn't give you first hand accounts of corruption.
Dog文凯High She worked as a consultant for the world bank as well. Yet, it doesnt matter because her thesis is centered on africa needing to develop itself rather than depending on foreign aid which, she points out, has exacerbated the problems there despite helping in terms of spurring economic growth and meaningfully reducing poverty.
Why should she work in for an NGO, how many roads, dams or railways have NGO finance. African needs smart fanancial experts that can secure investment for infrastructures developments.
I've love watching Mehdi Hasan so far, he always come ready. But he didnt seem prepared or well researched in this one. Many of his points, I feel, she had clear answers to, conceding in some areas but being firm where she had answers or had already spoke about in her book. She was frustrated but I feel rightfully so Imo
Socrates also warned us about some democratic elements... to stop politicians from manipulatingbthe ignorant, voters have to be better qualified to vote.
How to do that, no idea.
Your Presenter should allow his guest to answer the questions.
IF she answered the qurstion not play around
@@ms9771 she tries to give HER answers and he hates that, MCP muhamedan child rape fan
This guy can’t bear to allow he’s guests to answer 🙄he prefers to interrupt continuously and answer himself
I think this video is one of the most energetic and aggressive head to head.
I am always ready for a steamroller when Medhi Hasan is the presenter but he had his hands full with Dambisa Moyo. I wish they would have allowed each other to speak.
Agreed, Mehdi was challenged right at the start - and I am positive he personally didn't read the book.
@@amirkhusroohamid9705 why?
He backed up everything he said
She is far above the audience big up. You are making a lot of sense
Dambisa exposes a very uncomfortable tension in development: marrying development with human freedom with property rights and sustainable development. It is probably a trade-off between these different outcomes. A look thru economic history suggests that, it seems.
Reduction of poverty in China is not due to its political system but it's massive investment in health and education.
Dont write a book if you cant explain it simple
Talk about yourself only... We understand it.. Douche bag
Sorry but the author does. Not have an abligation to bring herself down to your level of comprehension, if you are going to pick up her book then it’s on you to elevate yourself and your comprehension.
@@rishiverma2432 yeah she is same what right anf easy to unterstand.
But funny this market Fundamentalist will not tell you that the greates part of the lifting out of poverty was done by the soviets and China.
thats all journalists do write a bunch of bullshit to flll a page
Thats called feeling.
By far this is the topic that cant be discussed and argued upon in 47 minutes
Mehdi can’t interview people like a judge in court by expecting only a YES OR NO answer only.
The problem is that people often start talking and talking and in the end the question isnt answered.
So he as a good host wants to get answers.
There is no problem in her elaborating afterwards.
Exactly right. Bad interview - always interrupting when the author is trying to answer his questions.
my god she's so patronizing.
She is making a firm statement that she is in decision making class on a global economic context. She is a globally respected economic scholar with a philosophy doctrate in economics. So she clearly has credentials, know how and information details to back her arguments up.
Can you blame her with Medhi deliberately distorting and misrepresenting statement and quotes.
kinda agree with her. great debates at head to head. always impressed specially with mehdi
It’s important to explore ideas even if they’re unpopular or potentially dangerous. Dr Moyo is excellent at questioning conventional wisdom and looking at things in new and incisive ways and they should’ve seized on that as an opportunity rather than freak out and try to get her to condemn the parts of her book they find controversial. In part due to apathy and poor education, but moreso because of the insane complexity of modern govt, trade, intl affairs, voters are mostly WILDLY unqualified to vote. This is a serious problem and the dogmatic responses to her idea of ranking vote power are just ideological fundamentalism and emotional shock
He met his match. In a good way.
I don't know exactly if democracy is the sole reason for economic failure but I do know Democracy is completely failed in India. M an indian. Democracy is good in paper and policies ,not in reality. Social schemes are the way to legitimate looting of people's taxes. We may have the worst corruption level in the world. No proper road ,public schools, and public hospitals even after 71 years of independent ,led by democracy.
Overall shes very well informed, host kind of pokes her with simple minded arguments.
bullshit. He calls out her b.s. She is only well informed in her own pre-fabricated view.
This is a perfect example of why giving to much power to economists would ruin society after society. Everything is up for sale for the sake of economical growth - resources, principles, prospects, generations, culture and ethics.
Why is she so angry though?
Either because she feels like no one on the panel has read her book, or it's because she is getting publicly eviscerated like all the other people who come on this show.
somefunification Globalism suppresses National growth and promotes exploitation of business by rich countries
Dunning-Kruger
She have to
Because she is a woman
I said Mehdi Hassan is the Bruce Lee in the media world and now he found his best match with Dambisa Moyo .
Have you seen the one with Asif Durrani, that was traumatizing
For the first time ... I see Mehdi being countered well and little disoriented..yet another great episode. Lot to learn from.
I beg to disagree, the guest was a bit arrogant, using ad homenim fallacy to twist the argument and make the host look ignorant, phrases like "I'm trying to teach you..." or "you seem ignorant of the subject" aren't used by people who call themselves intellectuals, and having a phd doesn't make anybody better than anyone. Let's see her argument about Clinton winning the vote of people earning 50k+ a year, she substracted two major cities and said see trump won. Anyone who is familiar with statistics would call this a p-hacking
Mohamed Nidabdella I agree with you on her choice words.. but it was evident that mehdi didn't do his homework well. I am great fan of medhi and have been watching all his debate , shows and admire him. .. But on this one he was not as his best... Which is usually not the case.
Thanks
That's not a choice of words, thats hands down a fallacy that a phd holder shouldnt use, i think Mahdi did his job well, but when you have a guest that goes on a slippery slope everytime he asks her about anything even when you quote her book. I dont think there's any better job you can do to catch her. She thinks government should be hold accountable, but also that China is a great political model because, according to her, it's model focuses on "society" very hard to challenge someone with that hypocricy level.
Mohamed Nidabdella I think you fail to understand her point with accountability of the government as she was talking about African nations who receive foreign aid.
Mohamed Nidabdella and with China she is talking about how the model of China focuses on society that's how it' managed to get 300 million people out of poverty. She is pretty well informed I just think you fail understand the message she's trying to convey
Two people debating only to defend rather than learn and improve.
wow Dambisa is amazing, she definitely has very detailed analysis of our current situations
"In a world of fake news, even urban legend becomes fact" 😲😳we as humans are in deep trouble.
Edit- this was a great episode though.
I listen to this interview once and am listening to it again, I think ( my own opinion) the presenter try to control Moyo, creat fear and manipulate the whole programme.
I think this conversation suppose to be friendly and educative.
she was the one throwing insults...
You are completly right! He's great but not enough to win over this smart Woman
You have a point! Such journalists need some one who responds with arrogant responses and make them look stupid in return. I always admire the way Paul Kagame does it.
Mehdi "won" in the first 5 minutes. He dismantled her thesis immediately
he makes his point assertively and sometimes too much but the content of his argument is usually solid and backed by research. The clue is in the name of the show, it is a head to head, not a friendly discussion at a bar.
I don’t know about that…..Clearly, he is not an Economist. There is no winer or looser here just good dialog.
She's fire!
No she is terrible and immature and not a great intellect
I can tell you've never had a chat with a smart woman
@@kapambwekapambwe4131 who?
@@JaKommenterar YOU
@@kapambwekapambwe4131 Yes I have while at LSE where many fellow grad students were U.S Harvard and Yale graduates etc as well, that’s how I know she isn’t truly intelligent. Respond directly next time if you are so superior
I had to stop watching after 10 minutes because Mehdi kept interrupting before Dambisa even finished making any points. What kind of an interview is this? Why would I ever want to listen to a journalist like Mehdi say anything?
It's not a interview. It's a debate ground - Oxford Union. This is a debate show called Head to Head.
Dambisa Moyo 💪🏿💪🏿
Is not the democracy per se rather it is the indirect democracy is causing all these problems. The direct democracy is the answer.
Queen-Somali Sheebah ya partially as democracy has still its flaws as of now. But offcourse direct democracy with vast improvements is the only alternative we've got
I am a big fan of MH and especially this Show! I hope there will be more and more episodes.
Thank you MH and AJ for this good content.
Why episodes are not consistent in every week? We love this so much that whole week we anxiously wait for it..
Some things seem to never change. Just as after the 1929 stock market crash once again the capitalist classes ideologues are questioning their own bourgeois democratic state's methods and ability to do what is necessary to keep up profit rates and maintain social control.
This has aged well gas prices through roof and electric prices through the roof and more people living in poverty
Mehdi got triggered thus interrupting his guest.
SnowflaKKKe
@@bazle64 I don't think you know what that word means if you're calling Chris a snowflake. I found Mehdi superficial and rude in his objections at times - and his 'objections' often did not relate to the point being made and sounded petty.
@@eclipsenow5431 well the colour of snow is white
As a Canadian who has spent some time in China, I gotta say that once Mehdi stopped cutting her off and she got a chance to speak, she did a good job of laying out the difficulties of democracy and our "Independent man" in the west vs the Chinese way of focusing on benefits for society.
Take the Three Gorges dam for instance. 1 000 000 people had to move to make enough power to grow the economy and lift many many people out of poverty. It offsets 32 coal or nuclear power plants. That is a sacrifice of individual rights to benefit society as a whole. The vision in that project is multigenerational, it is not based on votes in the short term.
I am glad that she did not say the Chinese system is perfect though because clearly just like the democratic system, it is not.
Gifted speaker and writer, wayyy ahead of her time. More listening, less criticism.
What needs to be reformed are corporations.
the interviewer is very rude
How is he rude?
She is the one interrupting and attacking him
I'm a bit disappointed with everybody not being able to understand that democracy is basically based on populism .
Dambisa's argument may sound controversial, however they are very similar to Socrates proposal to have a well functioning democracy.
It has become a reality that reducing greenhouse emissions has created new economic growth. It's not entirely contradicting between economic growth and saving Earth.
We need a system where every person including the elite is accountable for their actions by the Law Fully.
We live in a world which is corrupted and the elite look at the working class as sheep.
Too many educated people have no understanding of how the other half live.
Taking Akin Khoo's words down below: Democracy is irrelevant in promoting growth. The late Singapore Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew said that after he built up Singapore into a prosperous city state.
Because of her emotional and defensive way of responding to questions, I couldn't focus on the content of the arguments/ideas being discussed in the debate.
It seems like you're trying to echo (and help entrench) that implicit connection between females and over-emotionality which is pervading the media as they try to undermine anything a woman does in these important realms of public affairs. You're either a bot or an individual with an interest in cementing this idiotic stereotype that women are too emotional to be highly functional in the economic and political arena and I'd hazard to say that the likes are probably fake accounts.
She was highly articulate and if you couldn't understand it (if I'm even talking to an actual human being) then you have serious comprehension issues.
I would say her way of response is a perfect tactic to Mehdi's abusive style.
Im less qualified than this guy but he has no education. How can you have a conversation with this guy doesnt even let her speak. I wish Joe Rogan interviewed this woman so I could actually try to understand her points.
The only reason the U.S. stock markets continue to make new highs is because companies simply buy back their own stock
"You don't know about China, I spent few days there" Mrs Moyo visiting China is one thing, living in it is another.
I can't believe self proclaimed economist is usinh ad hommnim and whataboutism (what about Russia, what about Switzerland...) that's very worrying
She may have spent a few days in China, but she's made an effort to learn about thier culture.
She's not self proclaimed economist you pathetic hater
Phd economist at Oxford university
Something you'll never be
at least she visited China unlike the joker interviewer
THere are no levels of democracy that is the pretext of despots. The country either has a democracy or no.
I wish she wasn't so combative though. She is coming off as very defensive, nevertheless I enjoy listening to her views and find them interesting...
voiceOfUnreason yeah it was a bit stressful to watch her
She was confused..
She is really intelligent
Yea she’s got a temper but her points are on point. She’s a pistol though
I can not stop watching this
When I saw the title of the video I thought the debate would be with respect to the rise of right wing parties in the democratic country. And how the majority of people are taking the road to extreme right.
But I guess it's too early to discuss that.
Was of the same opinion.
She’s absolutely brilliant!
She is brilliant indeed. Her undergraduate is Chemistry major in American University.