Twitch: www.twitch.tv/dbrunski125 Discord: discord.gg/xy3EynP The 5 Meta Builds 01:43 The Smiter 04:45 The Hammerdin 07:13 The Pitzerker 10:05 The Javazon 12:22 The Blizzard Sorceress
hey Dbrunski, i love watching you and MrLlamaSC. you both are indispensable faces for D2. sorry if asked before, why don't you do any speedruns? you have also very unique playing style and would love to see you try honestly.
@Ocular. i play bnet. No peasant i play Diablo since day 1. I dont have plugy to stuff 100 perfect rubys in my stash, so who is a peasant playing with mods? If i do 8 player games most likely the best items het snatched in front of my nose. U van change difficulty anytime. Peasant
I think there is 1 underrated starting build - bone necro (bs+ce). Just get White runeword on NM in plus 3 bs wand. And on hell farm countess for 2 um runes to make bone runeword.
Had this in my recommendations (praise the algorithm). I've been out of the loop for D2 for more than a decade. Totally hyped for D2 Ressurected, so this video is gold.
This is actually true. It is more than 15 years I played Diablo 2 last time and I too understood everything. Funny how you have so hard time to remember some important stuff sometimes, but things like these stay in your memory. Well only couple of months to Diablo II resurrected, here we go again!
I haven't played this since 2015... My brother last played this since 2008, and then he found WOW and he still plays it.... His coming back to play Diablo 2 after 13 years! The Paladin wasn't soo good back in the 2000's... There was an update that made him soo op years ago. When I touched this in 2015 there was nothing but Paladins and Sorceress everywhere...
Lol. The advertisement before this video says "I can give you this 100,000 dollars or I can teach you how to make this every month." I'm like, "Give me the 100k. I already know about how pyramid schemes work." To the video author, I love the content. I subscribed.
@@feardrinker I am totally in love with LoD again since like 2 weeks, playing with plugymod, no more out of stash, and can share my shit with other characters. Life is great!
i was 10 or 11 when I played D2 with all my friends. all we cared about was trying to level up doing cow level runs over and over, day in and day out. i dont even remember what kind of gear i was getting or going for. after watching all these d2 videos and how in depth everything is/was, i cant say i want to get into it this way when Resurrected comes out. i just want to left click and hack and slash. :D
Why would you get into it this way? just play the game like you want to enjoy it. As long as you don't mess up by just randomly skilling up weird skills and ending up not maxing any, your build will work. It won't be "the most effective" but for "pro" people, the 2-3% difference is huge. For you, it doesn't matter.
For less gear dependent, self found builds, I always liked Fury or Concentrate Barbs and Meteorb Sorcs. The Barb can do Ubers and the Sorc can mf anywhere.
I had a hybrid kicker/trapsin with a extra claw w/ dragon flight. I had enigma but with the teleport kick I could lock people up. So much fun! Can't wait for this game!!!
Hehe, the Summon necro really missing... Just full Raise Skeleton and Mastery, Corpse Explosion and Golem Mastery with the other basic skills, Eni+Infy merc+Insight Golem= fastest area cleaner hands done... I have all other builds, but man, necro is just the best! 😁
I was thinking Lightning sorc would make this list. Light Sorcs are in the top damage dealers in the game, and can clear massive areas with lightning and chain lightning. Granted very strong light sorcs are expensive, but they are one of the top damage dealers in game.
Yeah agreed - Summon necs FTW. Corpse Explosion and revives easily makes up for damage. YOu can also waste melee chars in pvp with iron maiden curse. You can also do insanee shit like making a metal golem out of runewords for extra auras. You just gotta be careful you don't let your golem die / accidentally summon a different golem LOL
These builds are based on the post 1.10 D2 patches which added synergies to skills and revamped the landscape of builds. These builds don't exist without that patch. I don't think Resurrected will implement that patch from the start but I haven't heard anything specific.
@@hunterbryant4454 yea I already found the answer and it wasn't stated or shown in any official videos. You can see the synergies in this video at 4:32 ua-cam.com/video/4vFgB0JLVYU/v-deo.html
I remember Hammerdin being so broken because he has no problems with immunes. If an enemy monster is magic immune but undead, it can still get damaged by blessed hammer. There are hardly any monster that are both magic immune AND not undead.
Some other builds which would make it into my top 10: - Summoner Necro with mega giant Skele Army, superfun to telebomb 40+ minions on a mob or boss. :) - (lightning / CE) Trapsin: great for quickly clearing open areas such as Cows I think a lot of people have a love/hate relationship with the Paladin, since it is the most overpowered class. As if being able to quickly kill almost any monster in the game isn't enough, it has super high survivability as well. When a character can solo 8 player Baal runs and doesn't need any other characters, you know something is wrong... With respect to gear: most characters benefit from having a Call to Arms (with Spirit for the skill boost) on switch. :)
I primaried a skellimancer for years. Best all around build IMO. You can stack some MF, rush other players very safely, lower res for all the javazons, trapsins and sorcs in party or amp damage if you are rolling with barbs/zealers, decrep + clay golem to slow bosses to a crawl or iron golem for some crushing blow. Revive Urdars and life tap for ubers, the list goes on and on...
I miss the glory days of PKing where runewords didnt exist yet. Every class had a counter. Only sorcs could tele unless someone had a charged item. Necros could bone trap melees and iron maiden them to death. zons sniped people. assassins could trap casters. Druids would fissure spam from town. Man it was fun! Shaftstop and vampgaze were god tier. Some great times
I played D2 religiously for years, but honestly haven't tried one minute of the LOD expansion. A few buddies and I stuck to classic, and absolutely wrecked at pvp. We had separate characters to counter every meta build. I think that's what made the PvP so fun, you couldn't really make a one trick Pony character and expect to win.
If I were you, I'd make videos like this a lot more in depth build guides. There's a lot of people that'll play D3 that haven't played in MANY years and dont know the acronyms and level req stuff like you mention, and they're also not going to necessarily go searching for old videos they want to see something new
A summoner necro wearing enigma crushes all content. Not that I have played this game in the last 10+ years but that was my go to. Also lightning trap assassin wearing enigma. I only ever used a javazon to farm cows. Again this was from well over a decade ago. Strange to see people still playing and still putting out build content for D2. I would imagine every possible build has already been done 100 times over.
Summon Necro doesn't get nearly enough love. Once you have an enigma and can telestomp it's goofy how quickly a fishymancer clears rooms. Leaving so many builds in the dust trying to keep up. Stacking 400% mf with 9frame cast rate makes telling and mfing a dream. No worry about basically and res on a Necro either. Can literally solo the game naked on hell with relative ease.
Regardless of how you love D2, the class "balance" is it's weakest side by far. Some classes have huge range AOE, some have uninterruptible powerful melee attacks, and then you have an elemental assassin that has to successfully hit a target twice to then cast a melee fireball with laughable damage, or make two successful attacks to cast a 1 dmg lightning Nova. And so on with numerous classes and skills. I just can't imagine the design/ballance process back in the day with how superior one skills are compared to others.
I actually disagree. I think it's very boring if all classes and all builds would be equal. What's the point then? To me that was the problem with Diablo 3 (and many modern games in general). It didn't matter what you did, it was all fine. I also think end-game high end vs end game viable are 2 different things. Just because some builds aren't as good, doesn't mean they are not viable. The fun is when you see people make less viable builds work.
@@TheWoWBane Exactly. Some characters are designed for beginners and some for experienced players because they require more skill to be played effectively.
You’ve taken one of the best things about D2- the class differences- and called it one of the worst things. This video is mostly discussing PvM/MFing, and the fact that different builds are better at different places and to some extent at finding different things. You want gems, jewels, charms, and mid-runes, and socketsbles? Go kill cows. Gold, jewels, gems, runes, jewelry, charms? High Council. Easy access to an item piñata? Mephisto/Andy Best speed killing odds at high level uniques? Pits/ATunnels Want to play the “Who knows what I might find, but it could be anything in the game?” Arcane Sanc/Worldstone Want to farm Exp at high levels? D/Baal runs.
I have all these builds on sp PlugY, Blizz sorc and Javazon are my favorites, Pitzerker is kinda fun, and my Smiter is currently respeced to Hammerdin, which I still need to get the hang on! Great video Db, and thanks for the inspiration!
I missed the Summoner Necromancer... I mean, it can do ANYTHING, from clearing all bosses, to killing ubers, and it doesn't even need to attack (only teleport and use some curses). It's also the safest character to use in hardcore mode. Regards.
The skelly meatwall is always popular at ladder reset when people are still walking quests and have no gear, especially in HC. And in theory the revives are always stronger than whatever you're facing at any given point in the game. Especially when combined with curses, auras, warcries, or chant. But not many people actually play this sort of necro for very long. It's always the last and least class to top the leaderboards. Too much "setup" time in every game, limited use for quick mf or chaos/baal runs. The summons are unmanageable stupid AI - they tend to path badly, drift offscreen, or simply vanish - so forced slow movement if you want to keep your army intact along with slow killing when you get them into combat. Most players consider the class completely "unplayable" without teleport (enigma) ... and if you have a nigma then you already have better options.
@@pwnmeisterage Honestly, part of the reason for it never showing up on leaderboards is because most people don't want to deal with the hate from everyone else in the group when you have piles of skeles making their computers bog down. Skele necro for life here. Absolutely one of my favorite builds.
@@shadowphoenix84 The summons and walls don't take servers and clients down anymore. This isn't circa-2003 pre-1.10 anymore, the internet is stable, the bnet servers have been upgraded, the players have GHz computers, the game has been patched, the collision detection has been upgraded. At worst, the lag-heavy player is the one who drops from game, not the rest of the party. The class has too much in-game "setup" time, needs nigma, and kills much slower (with less mf%) than other classes. It's powerful at low- and mid- levels, it's a tiresome chore pain to play 90+.
@@pwnmeisterage Everything you said is valid and yet I still suffered through it so many times. It's pretty crazy now that I think of it but I've playing been playing D2 on and off since the game came out and I've always played as Necros and Paladins. I've made a few high level Barbs, a couple Sorcs and Druids. I've never actually played through the game as an Amazon or Assassin. That's so weird lol
@The SN The mobile game isnt a sequel. It takes place between D2 and D3 and is a genre jump. Plus they're actually making D4. Do you even have a phone?
For Top 5 specifically I can't argue with any of those choices, if you had to choose a 6th and 7th what would you go for? Ele Druid/Trapsin/Light or Fire Sorc/Bonemancer? 6th and 7th are a bit more difficult to choose imo, what you think @DB?
thats pretty much still the case, enigma and infinity are both top tier. theres a bit of variance on body, but on merc weapon theres few variance. infinity is just too good.
I did beat the Ubers with my Javazon, her charged strike always hits for every important purpose, my Valk tanked Meph, yep, she must have rolled immune to lightning, I did try to farm for that, and I had full resists and Tgods, and Wisp, so his Lightning was healing me. He did take longer than a smiter, but what took less time? Well, I didn't have a grief or exile, 40 CB and my Merc had 20, but killing all the other enemies on the way to farm the Organs and Nith and Arcane Sanctuary and such. She was really, really good at all that.
This is for the scope of single player magic finding. On bnet you will not see a zerker barb like you've shown, I'd swap that build with light trap sin on bnet since they are a lot more common.
@@llVIU it's more versatile then the pit zerker which is a lot more specific. My point was that he didn't take a lot of scenarios into account. Only the one he knows.
Pvp meta builds not in any order Paladin - smiter or hdin or templar (smite/fist of heavens) Necro - bone spear/bone spirit Druid - nado Sorc - blizzard or fireball sorc Barb - whirlwind Assassin - lightning trapsin Amazon - hybrid guided arrow/java
I love knowing the best builds and items but funnily enough when i play, i much prefer having fun less efficient builds. I always find the early game and experimenting with items and builds more fun than the end game.
Yea I agree completly for me its also about having fun over whats "winmax". If trying wierd stuff out is fun for you then thats all that matters really.
I go Last Wish and Exile both on my zealer when doing ubers. Mainly because Hit Blinds Target interrupts your Life Tap so you need it to go often if using Last Wish.
I've got a 96 hdin pally, a 93 frenzy Uber barb, a 92 blizz/frozen orb sorc and a 89 elemental druid on us.east. Took a little break to play Diablo 3.. I wouldn't say more challenging then Diablo 3. There actually both decent games. I haven't played d3 since season 3 and just started again a couple days ago season 21... Crazy all the changes . I wish they didn't get rid of the auction house on d3. I remember I used get board of playing and get addicted again buying/selling things in the auction house.
The best smiter item is the armor (forget the name)(guardian angel?) that boosts your max resists and max block to 90%. That is OP as hell, especially in hardcore. Back in the day it was cheap too, that and guilluimes and you were set for a budget smiter. I just took a 4 socket paladin shield and put 4 perfect diamonds in it, lol. Super budget. That was important because the torches sold for a lot more early in the leagues on sites like d2jsp. You could get 30 times the normal price early in the league. The other trick is you wear the runeword that procs fade and stand in the fire until it procs and then wear your normal armor :) It lasts for quite a while. There is a convenient fire in the SE corner of Ubers out of aggro range. One season i sold the first 3 torches on USWest hardcore and the first Id'd sorc torch. It's not really inconvenient either because it's awesome Merc armor. My merc would live through Ubers :)
Video reminded me that 5 spots isn't enough to list all of the viable builds, which makes me really happy. I see a lot of discussion on the lack of class balance and variety, but I must disagree with most of it. There's a lot more to cover here, it's really not that bad guys.
To be fair it is that bad when you first start out , blizzard sorc only, and then for the next 10 years of your life you gonna be farming 8+ hours a day looking for high runes and final set pieces, good luck!
@@bobfromwork have you realized yet that the entire game is playing slot machines. 10 years to get a jah rune is probably being generous. 1/222,316 chance of it dropping from a special mob or chest
@@Christoff070 No that is not generous at all, I only play single player and while I have spent more time than most, I am not struggling to find what I need, if all you care for is endgame builds then d2 isn't for you.
Diablo 2 is d3 for adults is what i always say. D3 will hold your hand, give you freedom of choice, and basically let you make any build you want viable. There is no real "expensive item" and pretty much any piece of gear can be obtained in a day or 2 of grinding. Also d3 lets you respec your character any time. D2 is none of these things. Some gear can take months to acquire, game knowledge is much more expansive. Stat choices can permanently destroy your character with only 3 respec per toon. Immune monsters in hell WILL punish any careless build. If you don't know what you're doing chances are you may not even finish hell mode. It's brutal which makes success 100x more rewarding.
It's also great at doing chaos/baal walks with full clears (river, sanctuary, worldstone levels, throne) since all lvl85 areas. Just ditch the enigma for coh or fort to tank better. I use coh but some prefer fort, just compare against your other gear to see which fits better. That is if you can live without tele
Smiter most basic item is GRIEF runeword (Eth + Tir + Lo + Mal + Ral) in Phase blade(1 range, more Attack Speed PVE), or Berserker axe(2 range, Slower PVP), second, he need Gore Rider in boots, and mostly ENIGMA in Mage or Archon plate for preventing to put any point in STR instead of Vitality (In PVP you can use STONE runeword in etheral Sacred Armor). He needs Crown of Ages with BER rune and Verdungo 15% to have a maximum 50% damage reduced.
Hell yeah. I used to spend months making troll builds by the end of my D2 days. Some builds based around level 5 uniques could absolutely wreck people. D2 did uniques right.
I wonder what your top 10 would be. Probably something like: 10. WW Barb 9. Trapsin 8. Windy dru 7. Light sorc 6. Summon necro at least that's what I would assume. Summon necro would honestly be higher imo if it weren't for tele, since they can run anything pretty easily, even ubers with trash gear. Just the fact they're so reliant on tele for positioning summons it kinda kills it for a lot of people. Plus it's pretty damn slow starting out
I was always doing ubers with 2 chars. Open with barb IK equipped whirlwind build for Duriel and the lava one - good because i can jump around. After this i switch to pala zealer/smiter to kill Lil and ubers. No enigma on my smiter and no need tbh. (got separate char for hammerdin). Works great. I use salvation for Mephisto and its enough to kill him fast. No need for special gear.
Man, without glitches and bots, I wonder how rare runewords will be. I hope we can go back to the days of annhi runs. I was hoping you'd mention more pvp oriented builds like the charge desynch hammerdin, the BvC or the es fireball sorc :3
Yea he didnt touch on shit. Any pvp build sorc wrecks the game as well. So for him to skip Alll the major builds and pretend he showed anything was a travesty to the game... If you ever had everyone standing on the bridge wishing they could het their Bodys back, LOL, than this video should make you sick to see lmfao. Frrr
starter sorc is defenitely blizz, but you'd ideally want to transition into lightning when you get infinity. You probably will not be soloing everything from the getgo, but as you get you BiS gear pieces, you'll do it faster and faster. the cons of blizzard sorc: -monsters need to wander in the blizzard to effectively get hit by it -no countess runs for low to mid runes you want -no cs runs due to the ranged idiots running away from your merc all the time -no eld/shenk for early hell a5 xp+mf -no nhilatak -no pindle blizz is nice for andy, meph, AT and cows and then her usability starts to drop off of the cliff. Lightning sorc is more well rounded in areas/bosses etc. but takes longer to become effective.
Well the meta hasn't changed since 1.10 too much. I rly liked pre 1.10 builds more bow amazon ftw! and no enigma was coolest time to play Diablo 2 on battlenet.
Haven't played d2 for about a decade. Guessed 4 out of 5 of these builds which was cool. Never played single player so didn't really know the Barb build being a top build. Seen variants on bnet but weren't great, this video showed a much better method. D2 resurrected is going to be amazing
I prefer going Frozen Orb with my Sorceress instead of Blizzard because it takes a lot less skill points to max it allowing me to invest in another element (usually lightning) to handle cold immune.
Personally, I find Frozen Orb/Nova more effective than Blizzard for starting a ladder. I almost never get crushed by immunities, and don't rely on monsters' positioning. Also, the breakpoints for 2 and 3 nova casts per orb aren't hard to reach, letting you really just focus on the mf.
This is why I love Diablo 2 Eastern Sun. It’s like Diablo 2 is fine, but at some point, it all comes to fixed builds and orders without a sort of flexibility or customization. No wonder that in the end it’s all about 4 out of the 7 classes having the best builds out there. I prefer mods that let you put your personality into the game without hurting your player experience.
More ideas for build videos. MA Amazon (max MA lvl), Physical Beardin (never seen that char that would be really cool for HC organ farming), Jab Amazon, Fire Amazon (+ max Valk)
I'm trying to build a Blizzard sorc for the first time and I find that she's struggling A LOT in hell because of single damage type. Hell has too many cold immune monsters. Not fun to play at all. This may eventually be solved with Infinity weapon, but the runes are so rare it would take many months (if not years) to find them. Until then you're very limited in number of areas to farm.
Sorc is going to be 10x more mandatory than ever before with enigma being cost prohibitive for a while. No/less dupers and botters means less shit floating around on top of a high demand. I'll be amazed if at least 50% of the game isn't blizzard sorc day 1.
Lol naw. Fire sorc my guy. Ice orb and blizzard is a yes too but the druid wrecks about as good. Just depends on if you listen to jokes like this for your game play lol. Terrible game content in this video. Very very VERY sad to see lmao.
@@bmo80 druid is good. But without enigma its just much slower than sorc even with a tele staff or amulet. Speed equals more runs more gear. Wish it wasnt necessary because I dont like sorc. But itll be faster to gear a druid with a sorc then to gear a druid with a druid.
@@TrivadoRain Right. Ive forgotten so much about the specific gear they each required. I loved the sorc myself, being able to tele within split seconds while laying orbs or meteors. Her build is burnt into my head though. The druid build seemed to come in a bit later but wrecked just as much as the sorc. Earned a lot of respect.. The pally never seemed to be used in PK, or great at it, but was good for rushing and boss runs. Maybe thats a personal perspective. Couldn't understand how this guy started this video with a pally and didnt put the druid in at all...
Nice video. Came back to diablo after 10 years. I'm running a hammerdin now and I'm having such a hard time with the snakes on Nithilak. Any way to avoid the multiple hits from them? I don't have max block but I'm not sure if that will even help with those missiles.
Physical Damage Reduction solves the snakes in Nihala's temple. (note, not DR% e.g stormshield). But things like Nature's Peace (7 - 11 Physical Damage Reduction). If you can get ~60 PHysical damage reduction you are essentially immune to the snake damage
Every one talks about hamerdins because they're cost effective (sort of) and easy build, but nobody talks about emodins.... sacrifice might (or other) LS,IAS and CTB and BR break points
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The 5 Meta Builds
01:43 The Smiter
04:45 The Hammerdin
07:13 The Pitzerker
10:05 The Javazon
12:22 The Blizzard Sorceress
hey Dbrunski, i love watching you and MrLlamaSC. you both are indispensable faces for D2. sorry if asked before, why don't you do any speedruns? you have also very unique playing style and would love to see you try honestly.
Smiter , hammerdin, light sort, jav zon, and windy Druid are the meta, idk where you got your list from
Dbrunski most magic immune are undead.. i use holy bolt thats how i budget solo baal with hammerdin
@Ocular. i play bnet. No peasant i play Diablo since day 1. I dont have plugy to stuff 100 perfect rubys in my stash, so who is a peasant playing with mods? If i do 8 player games most likely the best items het snatched in front of my nose. U van change difficulty anytime. Peasant
I think there is 1 underrated starting build - bone necro (bs+ce). Just get White runeword on NM in plus 3 bs wand. And on hell farm countess for 2 um runes to make bone runeword.
I am so pumped for d2 resurrected. I have lost sleep just thinking about it.
So have I sir I am with you
Same I’m trying to figure out which laptop to buy to play it on 😭 I know nothing bout computers lmao
@@StationHereNow laptops are for plebs dude , better buy good pc..
@@addikthdgaming4821 i am a peasant in a smoll home
@@addikthdgaming4821 just because mommy bought your pc doesn’t mean everyone has the same privilege
Had this in my recommendations (praise the algorithm). I've been out of the loop for D2 for more than a decade. Totally hyped for D2 Ressurected, so this video is gold.
it's been years, YEARS since i've touched D2, and I still understood everything on this video :D
This is actually true. It is more than 15 years I played Diablo 2 last time and I too understood everything. Funny how you have so hard time to remember some important stuff sometimes, but things like these stay in your memory.
Well only couple of months to Diablo II resurrected, here we go again!
man even the npc conversation/reaction is still engraved in my mind.
I haven't played this since 2015... My brother last played this since 2008, and then he found WOW and he still plays it.... His coming back to play Diablo 2 after 13 years! The Paladin wasn't soo good back in the 2000's... There was an update that made him soo op years ago. When I touched this in 2015 there was nothing but Paladins and Sorceress everywhere...
Lol. The advertisement before this video says "I can give you this 100,000 dollars or I can teach you how to make this every month." I'm like, "Give me the 100k. I already know about how pyramid schemes work."
To the video author, I love the content. I subscribed.
The only money I need is from act 3 council
Came back to D2, this game is so much better and more challenging than D3
The new Casual 4 for consoles players are the same shit as Diablo3..... Good job Blizzard.
different, but better, depends. For example you can play d3 on Lite, with d2 you are forever stuck to pc.
Give median xl a try. It's a mod for d2, a lot of fun.
D3 biggest disappointment in my gaming life. Going to roll up a fire Druid in D2 today ;)
@@feardrinker I am totally in love with LoD again since like 2 weeks, playing with plugymod, no more out of stash, and can share my shit with other characters. Life is great!
i was 10 or 11 when I played D2 with all my friends. all we cared about was trying to level up doing cow level runs over and over, day in and day out. i dont even remember what kind of gear i was getting or going for. after watching all these d2 videos and how in depth everything is/was, i cant say i want to get into it this way when Resurrected comes out. i just want to left click and hack and slash. :D
Why would you get into it this way? just play the game like you want to enjoy it. As long as you don't mess up by just randomly skilling up weird skills and ending up not maxing any, your build will work. It won't be "the most effective" but for "pro" people, the 2-3% difference is huge. For you, it doesn't matter.
Just came back after ten years. My God I love it still
12 going on 13 here, played for 5 or 6 years.. can't wait
Its so amazing that, after all these years, and all these builds and every item you found, that you still enjoy this game so much.
I know, right?
perhaps because there is nothing like it?
What's really fun after you've found everything and done everything... is trying again with off-the-wall builds. It's what brings me back.
For less gear dependent, self found builds, I always liked Fury or Concentrate Barbs and Meteorb Sorcs. The Barb can do Ubers and the Sorc can mf anywhere.
Corpse Explosion summon necro is dumb OP for gear dependency.
You probably don’t play anymore, but your videos are still incredibly helpful. 😊
I had a hybrid kicker/trapsin with a extra claw w/ dragon flight. I had enigma but with the teleport kick I could lock people up. So much fun! Can't wait for this game!!!
Anyone else watching this to start planning D2:R characters
Lol I play now.
Yes.
@Thales Assis good luck with enigma early on
@Thales Assis yes
Chain Lightning energy shield sorceress is my favourite build for OG D2, for LOD, I add a few points into meteor and glacial spike
My favorite build when I was a kid was hammerdin. Funny to see it listed, had no idea it was that good.
It's an absolute iconic build of this game
Hehe, the Summon necro really missing... Just full Raise Skeleton and Mastery, Corpse Explosion and Golem Mastery with the other basic skills, Eni+Infy merc+Insight Golem= fastest area cleaner hands done... I have all other builds, but man, necro is just the best! 😁
I was thinking Lightning sorc would make this list. Light Sorcs are in the top damage dealers in the game, and can clear massive areas with lightning and chain lightning. Granted very strong light sorcs are expensive, but they are one of the top damage dealers in game.
My favorite build is the skellymancer, because it's so easy. Slow as all get-out if you don't have some kind of teleport, but it's easy.
Yeah agreed - Summon necs FTW. Corpse Explosion and revives easily makes up for damage. YOu can also waste melee chars in pvp with iron maiden curse. You can also do insanee shit like making a metal golem out of runewords for extra auras. You just gotta be careful you don't let your golem die / accidentally summon a different golem LOL
What makes fishymancer so great is that you barely need any gear and they can wreck stuff... however Enigma turns it into a whole other game with them
Ok, I’m here for my resurrected future build
Sorc first, whatever you get dropped on her to make your next
These builds are based on the post 1.10 D2 patches which added synergies to skills and revamped the landscape of builds. These builds don't exist without that patch. I don't think Resurrected will implement that patch from the start but I haven't heard anything specific.
@@jonathanmatthews8862 it will be based/build on top of current d2... so it’s going to be using patch 1.14...
You can even see the synergies in some of the sample video of D2R.
@@hunterbryant4454 yea I already found the answer and it wasn't stated or shown in any official videos. You can see the synergies in this video at 4:32 ua-cam.com/video/4vFgB0JLVYU/v-deo.html
when you say marrowalk boots in 3:42 youtube captions shows "whether you achieving that through charges like on a life tap wand or marijuana"
LOL
I totally forgot Marrow has life tap charges.
I remember Hammerdin being so broken because he has no problems with immunes. If an enemy monster is magic immune but undead, it can still get damaged by blessed hammer. There are hardly any monster that are both magic immune AND not undead.
i thought immunities were random.
Some other builds which would make it into my top 10:
- Summoner Necro with mega giant Skele Army, superfun to telebomb 40+ minions on a mob or boss. :)
- (lightning / CE) Trapsin: great for quickly clearing open areas such as Cows
I think a lot of people have a love/hate relationship with the Paladin, since it is the most overpowered class. As if being able to quickly kill almost any monster in the game isn't enough, it has super high survivability as well. When a character can solo 8 player Baal runs and doesn't need any other characters, you know something is wrong...
With respect to gear: most characters benefit from having a Call to Arms (with Spirit for the skill boost) on switch. :)
I have played D2 since it's launch and as much as I'd love to make those builds, I have never had my hands on half of that gear...
gear ''choice'' in diablo 2 builds, Enigma, spirit and hoto
I primaried a skellimancer for years. Best all around build IMO. You can stack some MF, rush other players very safely, lower res for all the javazons, trapsins and sorcs in party or amp damage if you are rolling with barbs/zealers, decrep + clay golem to slow bosses to a crawl or iron golem for some crushing blow. Revive Urdars and life tap for ubers, the list goes on and on...
Haven't played D2 since 2005. Glad to see things haven't changed.
it's the meta builds of course the change really isn't there like wtf you want lmfao
@@cardboardjesus8761 balance? lmao
I miss the glory days of PKing where runewords didnt exist yet. Every class had a counter.
Only sorcs could tele unless someone had a charged item. Necros could bone trap melees and iron maiden them to death.
zons sniped people.
assassins could trap casters.
Druids would fissure spam from town.
Man it was fun! Shaftstop and vampgaze were god tier. Some great times
when there were cow channels
I played D2 religiously for years, but honestly haven't tried one minute of the LOD expansion. A few buddies and I stuck to classic, and absolutely wrecked at pvp. We had separate characters to counter every meta build. I think that's what made the PvP so fun, you couldn't really make a one trick Pony character and expect to win.
If I were you, I'd make videos like this a lot more in depth build guides. There's a lot of people that'll play D3 that haven't played in MANY years and dont know the acronyms and level req stuff like you mention, and they're also not going to necessarily go searching for old videos they want to see something new
A summoner necro wearing enigma crushes all content. Not that I have played this game in the last 10+ years but that was my go to. Also lightning trap assassin wearing enigma. I only ever used a javazon to farm cows. Again this was from well over a decade ago. Strange to see people still playing and still putting out build content for D2. I would imagine every possible build has already been done 100 times over.
Nice. Im using the 2nd, 4th, and 5th build rn. Balance between damage and mf are grandeur
What about summon necromancer with enigma. It's the only character who can kill everything the fast way, plus ubers.
Summon Necro doesn't get nearly enough love. Once you have an enigma and can telestomp it's goofy how quickly a fishymancer clears rooms. Leaving so many builds in the dust trying to keep up. Stacking 400% mf with 9frame cast rate makes telling and mfing a dream. No worry about basically and res on a Necro either. Can literally solo the game naked on hell with relative ease.
Too fiddly
You need to raise dozens of skeleton and revive specific monsters with time limit every damn new game.
Also other players hate you.
Glad to see younger ppl on this game. I spent 15 yrs on it.
Us west sccl/hccl all the way!
Regardless of how you love D2, the class "balance" is it's weakest side by far. Some classes have huge range AOE, some have uninterruptible powerful melee attacks, and then you have an elemental assassin that has to successfully hit a target twice to then cast a melee fireball with laughable damage, or make two successful attacks to cast a 1 dmg lightning Nova. And so on with numerous classes and skills.
I just can't imagine the design/ballance process back in the day with how superior one skills are compared to others.
Well, these skills were rebuild milion times across these 20 years, but still you are right. Some skills are just useless crap and some are superior
I actually disagree. I think it's very boring if all classes and all builds would be equal. What's the point then? To me that was the problem with Diablo 3 (and many modern games in general). It didn't matter what you did, it was all fine.
I also think end-game high end vs end game viable are 2 different things. Just because some builds aren't as good, doesn't mean they are not viable.
The fun is when you see people make less viable builds work.
@@TheWoWBane Truth.
Not to mention other characters and builds work for pvp but not pve. Meaning they all have a place somewhere, just not for mf'ing.
@@TheWoWBane Exactly. Some characters are designed for beginners and some for experienced players because they require more skill to be played effectively.
You’ve taken one of the best things about D2- the class differences- and called it one of the worst things.
This video is mostly discussing PvM/MFing, and the fact that different builds are better at different places and to some extent at finding different things.
You want gems, jewels, charms, and mid-runes, and socketsbles? Go kill cows.
Gold, jewels, gems, runes, jewelry, charms? High Council.
Easy access to an item piñata? Mephisto/Andy
Best speed killing odds at high level uniques? Pits/ATunnels
Want to play the “Who knows what I might find, but it could be anything in the game?” Arcane Sanc/Worldstone
Want to farm Exp at high levels? D/Baal runs.
Can't wait to play a Javazon in D2R !! It will be amazing to kill cows in 4K haha
I played diablo 2 when i was 9 years old and i just put stats and level up skills on what feels good at the moment 😂
me too, and i had way more fun than optimizing the fun out of the game for higher success rates, AKA: using metas nowadays in games.
I have all these builds on sp PlugY, Blizz sorc and Javazon are my favorites, Pitzerker is kinda fun, and my Smiter is currently respeced to Hammerdin, which I still need to get the hang on! Great video Db, and thanks for the inspiration!
Pitzerker was always my favorite
I missed the Summoner Necromancer... I mean, it can do ANYTHING, from clearing all bosses, to killing ubers, and it doesn't even need to attack (only teleport and use some curses). It's also the safest character to use in hardcore mode.
Regards.
growing out his stay at home beard
Love these vids dbrunski always so informative. Right when I thought I knew everything about d2
Glad you like them!
I always loved the summamancer. Have so many skeletons that the pc cries and your army just smashes everything
The skelly meatwall is always popular at ladder reset when people are still walking quests and have no gear, especially in HC. And in theory the revives are always stronger than whatever you're facing at any given point in the game. Especially when combined with curses, auras, warcries, or chant.
But not many people actually play this sort of necro for very long. It's always the last and least class to top the leaderboards. Too much "setup" time in every game, limited use for quick mf or chaos/baal runs. The summons are unmanageable stupid AI - they tend to path badly, drift offscreen, or simply vanish - so forced slow movement if you want to keep your army intact along with slow killing when you get them into combat. Most players consider the class completely "unplayable" without teleport (enigma) ... and if you have a nigma then you already have better options.
@@pwnmeisterage Honestly, part of the reason for it never showing up on leaderboards is because most people don't want to deal with the hate from everyone else in the group when you have piles of skeles making their computers bog down. Skele necro for life here. Absolutely one of my favorite builds.
@@shadowphoenix84 The summons and walls don't take servers and clients down anymore. This isn't circa-2003 pre-1.10 anymore, the internet is stable, the bnet servers have been upgraded, the players have GHz computers, the game has been patched, the collision detection has been upgraded.
At worst, the lag-heavy player is the one who drops from game, not the rest of the party.
The class has too much in-game "setup" time, needs nigma, and kills much slower (with less mf%) than other classes. It's powerful at low- and mid- levels, it's a tiresome chore pain to play 90+.
@@pwnmeisterage Everything you said is valid and yet I still suffered through it so many times. It's pretty crazy now that I think of it but I've playing been playing D2 on and off since the game came out and I've always played as Necros and Paladins. I've made a few high level Barbs, a couple Sorcs and Druids. I've never actually played through the game as an Amazon or Assassin. That's so weird lol
This guy is Steven WonderBoy Tompson, if he never did karate
damn!
i cant unsee it!
Lmao.
he is actually a wrestler, look at his ears
When I used to play in the glory days of the game it was lightning sorc for mf, javazon was pretty fun too.
yeah thunderstorm and nova
blizzard should open a school, and hire Dbrunski as a Diablo teacher.
@The SN The mobile game isnt a sequel. It takes place between D2 and D3 and is a genre jump. Plus they're actually making D4. Do you even have a phone?
Dude, your content is the best, cheers from Europe, Croatia
JEL SE IGRA D2 RESURRECTED OCE LI NAPOKON OZIVIT HRV-1
Remember when summoning necros could summon litterly 30 + mage and melee skeletons
@Rosa Barks it was patched so you could only get 4 of each , I think in “open battle net” it’s possible to exceed the summon limit
For Top 5 specifically I can't argue with any of those choices, if you had to choose a 6th and 7th what would you go for? Ele Druid/Trapsin/Light or Fire Sorc/Bonemancer?
6th and 7th are a bit more difficult to choose imo, what you think @DB?
Summoner is superior to bonemancer for pvm hmu when a bonemancer can kill ubers
@@aaronaustin9814 no joke etown is a nut
I recall the Meta being: Enigma [Jah Ith Ber] & Infinity [Ber Mal Ber Ist]. I haven't played this game in over 15 years so things may have changed.
thats pretty much still the case, enigma and infinity are both top tier. theres a bit of variance on body, but on merc weapon theres few variance. infinity is just too good.
Enigma, Oculus and Spirit, with an harlequin shako
I did beat the Ubers with my Javazon, her charged strike always hits for every important purpose, my Valk tanked Meph, yep, she must have rolled immune to lightning, I did try to farm for that, and I had full resists and Tgods, and Wisp, so his Lightning was healing me. He did take longer than a smiter, but what took less time? Well, I didn't have a grief or exile, 40 CB and my Merc had 20, but killing all the other enemies on the way to farm the Organs and Nith and Arcane Sanctuary and such. She was really, really good at all that.
This is for the scope of single player magic finding. On bnet you will not see a zerker barb like you've shown, I'd swap that build with light trap sin on bnet since they are a lot more common.
remember the trapsin MF bug, less elites spawn. It's good only for very specific cases like nihlatak key runs, shenk/eldritch, travincal etc.
@@llVIU it's more versatile then the pit zerker which is a lot more specific. My point was that he didn't take a lot of scenarios into account. Only the one he knows.
Pvp meta builds not in any order
Paladin - smiter or hdin or templar (smite/fist of heavens)
Necro - bone spear/bone spirit
Druid - nado
Sorc - blizzard or fireball sorc
Barb - whirlwind
Assassin - lightning trapsin
Amazon - hybrid guided arrow/java
I love knowing the best builds and items but funnily enough when i play, i much prefer having fun less efficient builds. I always find the early game and experimenting with items and builds more fun than the end game.
Yea I agree completly for me its also about having fun over whats "winmax". If trying wierd stuff out is fun for you then thats all that matters really.
End game is garbage. There is really no point to grind GG. You can finish the game with non rune word items easy
Just don't click "Show loot" at the same time that you hit your "4th Keybind" skill.
wait a minute..... All this time, all these years, I thought it was the "Jabbazon" cus she "jabs" you with javs.
jesus.... my entire life is a lie.
Haha you just made my day
Lolllll
not the brightest kid huh xD
Many thought it was jab. I did so for years
I go Last Wish and Exile both on my zealer when doing ubers. Mainly because Hit Blinds Target interrupts your Life Tap so you need it to go often if using Last Wish.
I've got a 96 hdin pally, a 93 frenzy Uber barb, a 92 blizz/frozen orb sorc and a 89 elemental druid on us.east. Took a little break to play Diablo 3.. I wouldn't say more challenging then Diablo 3. There actually both decent games. I haven't played d3 since season 3 and just started again a couple days ago season 21... Crazy all the changes . I wish they didn't get rid of the auction house on d3. I remember I used get board of playing and get addicted again buying/selling things in the auction house.
The best smiter item is the armor (forget the name)(guardian angel?) that boosts your max resists and max block to 90%. That is OP as hell, especially in hardcore. Back in the day it was cheap too, that and guilluimes and you were set for a budget smiter. I just took a 4 socket paladin shield and put 4 perfect diamonds in it, lol. Super budget. That was important because the torches sold for a lot more early in the leagues on sites like d2jsp. You could get 30 times the normal price early in the league. The other trick is you wear the runeword that procs fade and stand in the fire until it procs and then wear your normal armor :) It lasts for quite a while. There is a convenient fire in the SE corner of Ubers out of aggro range. One season i sold the first 3 torches on USWest hardcore and the first Id'd sorc torch. It's not really inconvenient either because it's awesome Merc armor. My merc would live through Ubers :)
Video reminded me that 5 spots isn't enough to list all of the viable builds, which makes me really happy. I see a lot of discussion on the lack of class balance and variety, but I must disagree with most of it. There's a lot more to cover here, it's really not that bad guys.
I love Pike Barb :)
To be fair it is that bad when you first start out , blizzard sorc only, and then for the next 10 years of your life you gonna be farming 8+ hours a day looking for high runes and final set pieces, good luck!
@@Christoff070 if that is the case maybe you are just bad. Ultimately you can do as you please, and go as far as you want.
@@bobfromwork have you realized yet that the entire game is playing slot machines. 10 years to get a jah rune is probably being generous. 1/222,316 chance of it dropping from a special mob or chest
@@Christoff070 No that is not generous at all, I only play single player and while I have spent more time than most, I am not struggling to find what I need, if all you care for is endgame builds then d2 isn't for you.
Dbrunski is the best D2 contentmaker. You really feel the game.
"Let's jump right the ding daggly dongly in"
I just got into diablo 3 and god damn this series is like gamer crack
Diablo 2 is d3 for adults is what i always say. D3 will hold your hand, give you freedom of choice, and basically let you make any build you want viable. There is no real "expensive item" and pretty much any piece of gear can be obtained in a day or 2 of grinding. Also d3 lets you respec your character any time.
D2 is none of these things. Some gear can take months to acquire, game knowledge is much more expansive. Stat choices can permanently destroy your character with only 3 respec per toon. Immune monsters in hell WILL punish any careless build. If you don't know what you're doing chances are you may not even finish hell mode. It's brutal which makes success 100x more rewarding.
Diablo 3 is trash. D2 is better. And the dueling is amazing
@@brycedaugherty9211 ahh I miss people calling their characters toons lol
Go straight damage on the JavaZon and farm mobs for HRs and white gear for runewords
Russ F I do this. Usually farm cows with her. So many good runeword bases
It's also great at doing chaos/baal walks with full clears (river, sanctuary, worldstone levels, throne) since all lvl85 areas. Just ditch the enigma for coh or fort to tank better. I use coh but some prefer fort, just compare against your other gear to see which fits better. That is if you can live without tele
I found a battle chest Diablo 2 on eBay the other day pretty reasonable. I can't wait for it to get here.
Have no idea what this guy is talking about but I'm stoked for D2:R
Smiter most basic item is GRIEF runeword (Eth + Tir + Lo + Mal + Ral) in Phase blade(1 range, more Attack Speed PVE), or Berserker axe(2 range, Slower PVP), second, he need Gore Rider in boots, and mostly ENIGMA in Mage or Archon plate for preventing to put any point in STR instead of Vitality (In PVP you can use STONE runeword in etheral Sacred Armor). He needs Crown of Ages with BER rune and Verdungo 15% to have a maximum 50% damage reduced.
Paladin zealot, that's awesome! I take über alone with another player died in the game. Not fast but gets the job done.
i guess zealadin is not very popular. Dont get me wrong i use that build every time. I love it lol but its not popular. :(
Zealer with 1 point in smite can still uber! That's what I use.
Just put dracs on
Top 5 meta builds for Farming you should do top 5 meta builds for PVP.
Hell yeah. I used to spend months making troll builds by the end of my D2 days. Some builds based around level 5 uniques could absolutely wreck people. D2 did uniques right.
Wow last time I played, frozen orb Sorcs were the big thing, and the spread shot amazon thing. Lightning javazons were big too. And whirlwind barbs.
I wonder what your top 10 would be. Probably something like:
10. WW Barb
9. Trapsin
8. Windy dru
7. Light sorc
6. Summon necro
at least that's what I would assume. Summon necro would honestly be higher imo if it weren't for tele, since they can run anything pretty easily, even ubers with trash gear. Just the fact they're so reliant on tele for positioning summons it kinda kills it for a lot of people. Plus it's pretty damn slow starting out
I was always doing ubers with 2 chars. Open with barb IK equipped whirlwind build for Duriel and the lava one - good because i can jump around. After this i switch to pala zealer/smiter to kill Lil and ubers. No enigma on my smiter and no need tbh. (got separate char for hammerdin). Works great. I use salvation for Mephisto and its enough to kill him fast. No need for special gear.
Javazon!!! Can't wait for this remake
Its not a remake its a remaster. Big difference
@@bobgaming3208 OH 10000 apologies you prick
Mosers shield is and always will be my fav shield for a Javazon. Paired with enigma.
I miss playing Javazon.
I miss the Pitzerker
My favorite endgame build was the kicksin. Broke the kicking framerates, so fast and uber life steal.
Did it all back in the day. That was a ton of fun
Man, without glitches and bots, I wonder how rare runewords will be. I hope we can go back to the days of annhi runs.
I was hoping you'd mention more pvp oriented builds like the charge desynch hammerdin, the BvC or the es fireball sorc :3
Yea he didnt touch on shit. Any pvp build sorc wrecks the game as well. So for him to skip Alll the major builds and pretend he showed anything was a travesty to the game... If you ever had everyone standing on the bridge wishing they could het their Bodys back, LOL, than this video should make you sick to see lmfao. Frrr
starter sorc is defenitely blizz, but you'd ideally want to transition into lightning when you get infinity. You probably will not be soloing everything from the getgo, but as you get you BiS gear pieces, you'll do it faster and faster.
the cons of blizzard sorc:
-monsters need to wander in the blizzard to effectively get hit by it
-no countess runs for low to mid runes you want
-no cs runs due to the ranged idiots running away from your merc all the time
-no eld/shenk for early hell a5 xp+mf
-no nhilatak
-no pindle
blizz is nice for andy, meph, AT and cows and then her usability starts to drop off of the cliff. Lightning sorc is more well rounded in areas/bosses etc. but takes longer to become effective.
Well the meta hasn't changed since 1.10 too much. I rly liked pre 1.10 builds more bow amazon ftw! and no enigma was coolest time to play Diablo 2 on battlenet.
Yep. Bowzon, Titan Barb, *Orb* sorc (thanks to the nerfed blizzard cast)...
And the .08 server lag 😂
is that the background from the arcane sanctuary behind dbrunksi? cool stuff
the innate teleport on sorc is what makes her #1 before runewords can be acquired.
watched remasterd video, instantly reinstalled d2 now 91 hd only needing maras for my gear ... yep im on the d2 crack again
Hammerdin was one of my fav for doing pvp too
Haven't played d2 for about a decade. Guessed 4 out of 5 of these builds which was cool. Never played single player so didn't really know the Barb build being a top build. Seen variants on bnet but weren't great, this video showed a much better method. D2 resurrected is going to be amazing
Great video. I usually have all them built. I have not done javeazon.
I prefer going Frozen Orb with my Sorceress instead of Blizzard because it takes a lot less skill points to max it allowing me to invest in another element (usually lightning) to handle cold immune.
Personally, I find Frozen Orb/Nova more effective than Blizzard for starting a ladder. I almost never get crushed by immunities, and don't rely on monsters' positioning. Also, the breakpoints for 2 and 3 nova casts per orb aren't hard to reach, letting you really just focus on the mf.
Bone Necro and Wind Druid where my favs by far.
Druid went hard once people started wrecking with em. Shit was eppic
This is why I love Diablo 2 Eastern Sun. It’s like Diablo 2 is fine, but at some point, it all comes to fixed builds and orders without a sort of flexibility or customization. No wonder that in the end it’s all about 4 out of the 7 classes having the best builds out there. I prefer mods that let you put your personality into the game without hurting your player experience.
Open wounds helps counter Monster Regen. (I believe poison does too, but I wouldn't use poison on a smiter obviously).
D2. The game that keeps on giving. Nice video my man
More ideas for build videos. MA Amazon (max MA lvl), Physical Beardin (never seen that char that would be really cool for HC organ farming), Jab Amazon, Fire Amazon (+ max Valk)
Life Tap from Last Wish also which some people use on a Smiter.
I need a key for all these shortened names you're giving abilities and items
DB is the Diablo2 bible
hey man, great vids. just curious how you know mephisto's cold res is 75? What's the source of your info? thanks.
classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/monsters/act3-mephisto.shtml
Arreat Summit will tell you basically everything you need to know
*After watched Diablo II resurrected videos. And this video pop up on my recommendation page!*
@Coldun Exited about Diablo II resurrected :)
I'm trying to build a Blizzard sorc for the first time and I find that she's struggling A LOT in hell because of single damage type. Hell has too many cold immune monsters. Not fun to play at all. This may eventually be solved with Infinity weapon, but the runes are so rare it would take many months (if not years) to find them. Until then you're very limited in number of areas to farm.
Sorc is going to be 10x more mandatory than ever before with enigma being cost prohibitive for a while. No/less dupers and botters means less shit floating around on top of a high demand. I'll be amazed if at least 50% of the game isn't blizzard sorc day 1.
Lol naw. Fire sorc my guy. Ice orb and blizzard is a yes too but the druid wrecks about as good. Just depends on if you listen to jokes like this for your game play lol. Terrible game content in this video. Very very VERY sad to see lmao.
@@bmo80 druid is good. But without enigma its just much slower than sorc even with a tele staff or amulet. Speed equals more runs more gear. Wish it wasnt necessary because I dont like sorc. But itll be faster to gear a druid with a sorc then to gear a druid with a druid.
@@TrivadoRain Right. Ive forgotten so much about the specific gear they each required. I loved the sorc myself, being able to tele within split seconds while laying orbs or meteors. Her build is burnt into my head though. The druid build seemed to come in a bit later but wrecked just as much as the sorc. Earned a lot of respect.. The pally never seemed to be used in PK, or great at it, but was good for rushing and boss runs. Maybe thats a personal perspective. Couldn't understand how this guy started this video with a pally and didnt put the druid in at all...
Nice video. Came back to diablo after 10 years. I'm running a hammerdin now and I'm having such a hard time with the snakes on Nithilak. Any way to avoid the multiple hits from them? I don't have max block but I'm not sure if that will even help with those missiles.
Physical Damage Reduction solves the snakes in Nihala's temple. (note, not DR% e.g stormshield). But things like Nature's Peace (7 - 11 Physical Damage Reduction). If you can get ~60 PHysical damage reduction you are essentially immune to the snake damage
Every one talks about hamerdins because they're cost effective (sort of) and easy build, but nobody talks about emodins.... sacrifice might (or other) LS,IAS and CTB and BR break points