@@GRAAmusic haha, I'm not sure that Denmark would be very cost-effective. However I have had a few people buy the plans overseas and they're having other people build the cabinets for them. So that's always an option
I'm not planning on it since this was designed to be active. I'm sure it could be done. Just need to properly crossover the woofer to the full-range driver.
This looks like such a fun project. I’m already envisioning little tweaks and personalizations I could do, like maybe cutting out a little scoop on top for that tweeter B&W style. Thanks Joe and Toid for contributing something that I’m sure is going to make a lot of people really happy!
Now I've gotta build these. They look great. As for volume, you could wire a Linkwitz-Riley 3-way active crossover into those amplifiers w/o much work. At 24db/octave rollover, it should reduce the distortion noticeably, but it will cost another $200. It won't be louder, but it will sound louder than they do without the crossovers. I did that with 3-way JBL Pro speakers and a Denon 5803 AVR (6 x 170W MOSFETs), replacing a nightmare passive crossover & a pair of jacked-up and bridged Hafler amps. The max SPL didn't really change: 117db at 1M now, vs 116db with passive, but it sounds a LOT louder, a lot cleaner, w/ a lot of low-end gut-punch.
Tang band drivers are underrated as shit. I worked with and listen to a lot of higher end drivers (Seas Excel, Scan-Speak, vifa/peerless, accuton etc) and Tang bands are damn good for their price.
wavecor is another company that reaches the quality of seas excel, scan speak but at a lower price point. they also have interesting tweeter with a waveguide which gives you a better time alignment
this is the kinda setup I wanted to build, LOVE IT! Unfortunately I'm stuck in apartment living so I'll be sticking a 6 inch woofer down below, but this just gives me SO MANY Ideas
With my space and budget constraints, this is exactly what i'm looking for. Even the wood design matches the rest of my house! I love it. Please take my money!
Great video!! How do you think these would hold up next to the hivi 3.1 diy kit?? I built a pair a couple years ago and LOVE them!! Looking for something to replace my desktop speakers and thought these would be a good fit
@@joentell how u listen this in stereo mode ....... 2.1 ch in amp in each side ..... Both left and right ch is in same side of each 2.1 ch 😂 .......... Then How u listen in stereo mode ......... I have a solution ...... Each 3.5 mm jack have .. LGR wire .... Provide LG wire only on left side Amp And RG wire only on right side Amp
My non commercial dream speakers.!!! I would really love to hear the music that upload in those BEASTS.!!! Those speakers include so much passion in them...!!!
I still run speedsters by Paul Carmody and I even have run them in MTM T-Lines. I love Paul’s designs. Glad to hear you guys taking it a step further. The drivers are pretty awesome.
That would be awesome huh. Maybe one day. @123toid offers a flat pack so you don't need to cut the would. Just glue everything together, paint it and wire it up.
Dude, When I built my first cabinets back in 92' I made them with the slotted port at the bottom. Being I was only 16 at the time I never saw anyone use this method and now I see it a lot. Also, back then people thought I was crazy to use Birch ply for the cabinets and now I see a lot of people doing that as well. I know I didn't start anything but man, it sure feels that way.
It is good you were able to get the interviews to cushion the blow of less reviews during your move. Good luck with it, hopefully you enjoy the new space you get!!
I’ve had this polk audio sound bar with what I believe to be a 6” subwoofer. For being such a small driver, this sub really shows out... I’ve had to take pictures, paintings, etc. off of the wall in the room just because of how bad it would rattle. Impressive for a 6 inch subwoofer, yes, but still not comparable to a much larger driver such as a 12”.... the highs and miss of the sound bar are impressive as well, and can get almost too loud, but yet I find it rare to be ear piercing. Nothing but good review for a somewhat inexpensive Polk sound bar and sub. 👌🏻
This is awesome. Very very interesting. Amazing job Joe. Thanks for the video, as always. Because of such crazy awesome videos, this is one of my toplist favourite channel on UA-cam ..
Cool idea having a 3 way speaker that reliably handles a full range of frequencies. Is it setup so every driver crosses over and none of the drivers play the same frequency range? Would be a dream speaker for smaller rooms, not needing a sub and having less clutter in an office.
I'd like to see a D.I.Y. speaker project with built-in amplification and DSP for correction. Especially with (sub-)woofer protection; louder volumes dial down the bass and low volumes allow accentuation to flatten the frequency response.
Regarding the DINAS... 1. The plate amp is available as the AIRS SW-501 in Aliexpress. I have used it over a year ago in a 2.1 boombox project. The speakers (including the satellites) are connected internally. 2. The amp is based on two TPA3118D2 chip amps. One for the sub (with variable crossover) and the second for the satellites. The TPA3118D2 chips are without any heatsinks. They use the plate section for heat dissipation. They are more suitable for 8 ohm loads. You have used 4 ohm speakers all around. Be careful of not overheating the chips. 3. The RS100's are good drivers. But they can be a bit forward sounding in the midrange. Will await the sound test and comments for this. 4. The tweeter will definitely help in sound dispersion and increase the sweet spot and sound stage. 5. I am keen to understand how you hooked up the tweeter and full range drivers. Did you connect both left and right channels outputs to one output? 6. Also, the plate amp has 25V capacitors all around. So, I have used a 24V 5A power brick without any issues. You get the best out the amplifier with 24V power supply. 7. Overall, the DINAS are a great looking project. Very clean lines. I have used the bigger brother of the subwoofer, the Tang Band 1139SIF, in a another boonbox project using the AIRs SW-1001 plate amp which also has bluetooth and power supply built-in. That project has the RS100-8's and the AMT-8 tweeters doing satellite duties. All connected internally. Great powerful sound all around.
I built a speaker for use with my Icom IC-7100 radio which uses a Dayton RS100-4. Many ham operators use cheap, 2-way speakers with their radios, but I wanted a single driver which could cover the entire range of the human voice with no crossover. The speaker I built using the RS100-4 is the best sounding communications speaker I've ever heard. It even sounds good with the IC-3100 tuned to FM broadcast! I'm sure the RS100-4 works great in your DINAS, because it keeps the crossover out of the all-important mid-range band.
"...they're not the flattest sounding speakers in the world..." really?! +/- 5-6dB from 55hz to 20k? I've seen studio monitors with a far nastier response curve honestly! That graph looks great if it's legit! Great job!
It ain't bad...that's for sure. I tend to play stuff down a bit just because there's always a speaker out there that does something better. Thanks for noticing though.
This is cool and I want one. Those TB woofers are beasts! The dual plate amp design makes a ton of sense. I might be able to build these later this year.
I’m still not sold on that RS100 for the midrange when you’ve got it sandwiched between a great (sub) woofer and tweeter. I’ve heard it’s a fantastic speaker, but there are tons of great 2-4” options that I think could be a little cheaper and get you a flatter response through the mids. Of course then you’re stuck working out a crossover, which could eat up any money you saved real quick. Hopefully I can build a pair myself soon and do some experimenting! That’s what diy speakers are all about, right?
Exactly. The RS100 is a good fullrange but there are better ones out there. Lately, I feel like it is getting more and more transparant that 123toid is on Parts Express' payroll. Not sure how to feel about that to be honest....
He's not on their payroll! Lol. Some of you jump to these conclusions a bit too fast. He clearly states as I do that we get stuff for free from some of these companies in exchange for a review of that product. We also can set up an account with a 3rd party to receive a TINY commission for each product sold using our affiliate link. We ain't getting rich over here buddy. Speaking for myself, I support the channel more than it supports me. I've worked for free for the first year. If you're enjoying the videos, just enjoy them and don't wrongfully accuse people of being on the "payroll" when they aren't. It's a bit of an insult. I've been my own boss for 15+ years. I am not on anyone's payroll because I don't want anyone telling me what to do. 👊🙏
Bogdan Serban I’d start with the Dayton TCP115 to see how a $10 woofer would compare. If that didn’t work I’d try the DS115, DA115, DS90, or DSA90 if I wanted to stick with Dayton in the $20 range (which I probably would). You could also try the Peerless SLS-85S25CP04-04 or Fountek FW100B, also under $20.
Vincent Koster I mentioned this same point on an earlier video and it was Joe that said he just really liked the look of the RS100, so I’m not sure that was Toid’s doing entirely. And I really like Dayton and Parts Express, for what it’s worth, and they’ve never paid me anything. They’re just easy to work with because they have tons of options, they’re generally well made, and they publish all the specs you could want making them very easy to model. Parts Express has a fantastic website, huge catalogue, and great service. It’s just as likely in my mind that 123toid likes Daytons and Parts Express for the same reasons I like them, and nothing more.
Cool DIY speakers. If you could review RBH Sound Impression series bookshelves sometime that would be awesome. They're in the price range of the speakers you review and are supposed to be really solid speakers.
My yamaha floorstanders hit to 29Hz, and yes you DO need a tweeter, never rely on a midbass driver to deliver proper treble, its not happening. these lepai plate amps could be the perfect solution to desktop audio though.
@@TheTechGuyYT "never rely on midbass driver to deliver proper treble" Midbass drivers rarely go over 5khz, even good fullrange driver like you mentioned start to drop off over 16khz but due to nature of our ears we barely notice it. 2 Way vs full range will always be better.
These Speakers look great and seem to be really awesome! Just started looking into DYO speakers. How is the usability as Studio monitors? Do you have a chance to compare them to Adams or Focals? Or would you rate them as Hifi Speaker?
I've rated them for desktop use and for use as bookshelf speakers on my speaker leaderboard. Did you get to see that part of the video? I haven't tested Focals or Adam.
Are you in your new location? Would love to see an official demo in your new place. That would be encouraging. Meanwhile, thanks for the encouragement on using this model plate amp.
Where can I get cabs for these? That’s the one thing I can’t do myself. Not woodworking tools, no room in the garage for them, no way to get there. It would be great if I could buy these in a kit! Also, I agree on the use of paper in a sub, woofer or midrange, unless you’re using a dome for the midrange. I would consider making a four way system, with a midwoofer and a dome midrange for upper mid frequencies, also the with these killer tweeters.
"...there's more to a speaker than bass" Does that really require stating? I guess it depends on what music you listen to. I'd be interested in seeing someone who reviews commercially produced speakers compare something like this to some of the more known branded speakers. This idea is definitely "food for thought". Great video, thanks.
I would have built a pair of these for that wonderful bass, but I got my hands on a pair of ADS L810's that I have on this desktop and they're easily the best-sounding speakers I've ever heard. I was told they were used as monitors back in the day. Same 35htz bottom end, and 3-way. But, slightly more expensive than these DINAS. Great job.
I have listened to literally thousands of different speakers over the past 30 years or so, And these are a absolutely stellar! anything else in this realm seldom get lower the 45HZ for woofers.
@@BrasspineappleProductions ok, I was thinking about just that, because I´d actually would like to make similar ones but instead passive speakers as I already have a decent amplifier. Thanks
I prefer the Tang Band W6-1139SI (6.5") paired with the Dayton Audio RS100-4 and Peerless BC25SC06-04. I built them in a D'Appolito configuration with amazing results; no extra subwoofers required.
0:02 - No no no, Joe .. Your sorry is not accepted .. I'm being greedy here .. Post such amazing amazing amazing videos as frequently as possible .. Just kidding, never mind .. But truly, you are doing a great job. And once again thank you and keep posting ..
I'm late getting to this build, but GREAT JOB! I build speakers all the time, and I usually go against the grain with them. Thanks for the inspiration!
Hey Joe! Brilliant collab here, absolutely love it. In fact I was just about to buy a pair of ai60 but I might go with the Dinas instead. One problem though, I'm following all the links to get the parts for this build but I can't find the speaker enclosure. Any help with this?
@@joentell Perfect! My friend and I will be picking up a pair of all the parts for this build. We were hoping you two had plans to sell the enclosure too. Exciting stuff, thanks Joe!
Thanks for this interesting video. 35 Hz is not just a challenge for bookshelf speakers but even for most other speakers in general. However, what means 35 Hz? At what noise level? By the way, the Dynaudio Crafft is still a great sounding benchmark for bookshelf speakers being able to show no significant drop down at 50 Hz
Dude! You did such a beautiful job on the cabinets and then stuffed a lepai amp into it. Should have put a gainclone kit in it.....maybe a little more work but stellar sound. Nice job regardless.
Hi, I wondering why you use just 2 Channels from the plate amp? I bought the plans and builded the speakers by myself. Is it too much power having 30 Watts for high and another 30 watts for the mid range speaker? So fare I love the dinas. I struggled I bit with inches to mm because the wood in Germany is thinner or thicker the 0.5 inches. Cheers Frank
You should really rate the HSU HB1 Mk2 on your leaderboard. I would love to see where they land! Keep in mind they do require some break in, but damn they sound amazing with good power. I use a Bryston 3b with them.
Do you know if it would be possible to build a set like you have here, but that allows for multiple line inputs (especially some balanced TRS, that would be great), and mixes all inputs? I have multiple computers/devices I want to play through a single sound system, but without toggling between them. I have a system that works right now, but it's a bit janky.
This without a doubt your best and most useful videos because I've seen a similar but larger build compared to this. Birch kicks the crap out of MDF because Birch could get it done without bracing. No, that tweeter (I've used in two builds) the screen about even with the front. I didn't nail mine down and moved it around.
@slow mazda Wood does matter and it has NOTHING to do with pores LOL! Again. Hard Woods DO NOT NEED to be BRACED in 90% of their installs or applications. Even Pro Cabinets like Markbass, Orange, Fender, Mesa, Ampeg, and etc. DON'T brace or deaden their enclosures. Yes, I've heard the BS from KEF fanboys.
I wonder how many people built these... Having to turn up the volume or adjust a low/mid/high frequency separately on each driver and each speaker is where this build lost me ... but still love your guys' channels!! ;)
These are amazing speakers. I have very little to add that you have not said yourself yet. But as a speaker designer myself I feel like the claimed f3 is misleading. In the measurement it is clearly visible that the actual f3 (considering the definition of f3) is around 44Hz. Turning up the subwoofer level does not magically lower f3, it increases the subwoofer output. So relative to, say 1000Hz, the f3 is lower but because of the enormous bump between 40 and 100Hz it does not sound like that at all, you merely increase the midbass. They are definitely low/hard hitting speakers with tons of nice features but an f3 of 45Hz-ish is not rare nowadays. In addition, feeling the ports at 6ft away is not a sign of 'loud bass' but merely of a relatively small port. If you add a port that is much too small relative to the air displacement of the woofer to any given speaker, you will feel the wind at longer distances. It's not special, it's not a sign of power, it's a design flaw/limitation. To wrap it up, these speakers are good but the specs are a little over-hyped and despite their features, the speakers have their limitations, just like any other pair of speakers. Props to 123toid for designing such an accesible and feature rich speaker but please retain your honest and mostly objective style and don't over-hype a speaker.
I also love running that series of woofers from TB for sure! I usually run fountek ribbon tweets.... they’re so fast and can resolve anything... but to some they’re too airy and not warm like some soft silkies
What a really nice and informative channel i just found! Excellent work Joe. You have the best speaker reviews and comparison I have seen. Very down to earth, enough for us interested in quality, but close enough to what average people like me would understand, not inside the audiophile difficult to understand niche. Have you seen Doug Demuro? you could create a JoeNscore to make your leaderboard a bit more easily comparable when it gets more and more speakers. Greetings from South America!
Hey thank you! I try my best to make it entertaining and informative. I used to do a weighted rating system, but it took a long time to do. I might bring it back someday.
Hey Joe! I´m a big fun of your channel, Learning a lot from you.Good stuff !! A question my friend: What do you thing about opposed subwoofer drivers for DINAS? (like the Bearfoot Sound ones). Im planning to build a pair of DINAS with two Tang Bang in each side oppossed in a sealed cabin. Your advice would be great! Cheers Marco
Hey Joe thanks for the review.....enjoyed it....I would like to make these on a larger scale for recording studio reference speakers. could you point me in the right direction of parts I would need for a similar outcome. Thanks
Nick, I have few questions about DINAS build plans I bought on 18 Dec 2021. 1) I managed to find speaker box made of plywood/MDF with 12cm or 15cm thickness from Taobao online with dimension of 12.6" x 7.87" x 9.8" (HxWxD) compare to build plans dimension of 12.5"x7.5"x10" is it okay to use it for DINAS or it has to be exact as build plans to get the expected result? Any different to use 15cm thickness for the flat pack instead of 12cm in term of box resonance at low frequency? Taobao online speaker box slot port design might be different but I could fabricate it myself with the hand tool. 2) There is 0.68uF capacitor connected to external tweeter in series and then parallel to the Mid range speaker in reverse polarity, what is the reason of reverse polarity connection on tweeter? Same question on Woofer speaker reverse polarity as well. 3) why not connect tweeter and capacitor in series onto (R) channel directly instead of parallel to Full range speaker on (L) channel since there are two channels available? Thks&Rdgs, Foon
@@joentell Ha! Thanks man! DIY stuff is so much fun... I seriously might have to look into building these later this year when I get a few other projects done. I do need some computer speakers... you guys really pulled off a great looking setup. I'm sure they sound awesome
Paper speake cones are tough to beat. There have been many different materials used in woofers over the years, but paper is still the top choice of most builders. Now this is kind of an interest design for another reason, besides what the commentator tells us. I have several drivers I’ve bought for other projects, but I never completed them for various reasons. So, I’ve got some Dayton Audio 10” inch woofers. I’ve also got a pair of Silver Flute 6.5” mid woofers I was going to put in my car. But after the original speakers were broken in I didn’t need them fir my car. I can use those down to 50Hz. With the active crossover of this system I can cross them anywhere they sound the best. I’ve lost got a pair of 2” dome midrange made by Peerless in the 80’s, but mine are in great shape and sound awesome. The only thing I don’t have are tweeters. I do have a pair of Peerless rectangle snapped some tweeters that I used with this some mids, but they just don’t have that extra something. I like the tweeters he uses here. So I might use the same drivers h uses here and use the 10” woofers to reinforce the bass of the desk speakers, but that’s something that I’ll have to figure our in the room I’m going to use them in. I could always sell the 10” woofers to help fund this build, so, we’ll see how thing’s pan out, but I could theoretically build a set of four way speakers with these, a pair of towers with labyrinth patrician for the very low frequencies, a pair of silver flats from 100hz to 1000 Hz, the dome mids from 1000 Hz p to where ever the tweeters will come in and then the tweeters. I could save the silver flutes for rear channel surrounds using the same tweeters as the Dinas. Or I could use to hem on top of the dinas to widen the soundstage up front. It could bud a lot of fun to figure out!
Enjoyed your video. The link to the Lepa LP210PA doesn't work though. I'd like to build an 8" subwoofer using the cross over... what kit is reasonable, under say $100.
These are so interesting, no crossover, cheap amp, and a woofer that plays down to 35hz. How do these compare to the swans hivi diy 3.1a speakers as far as sound quality? I just bought that kit so I'm worried I should have built this instead
Great concept and fair quality for the money. I have to admit it is not for the general public since you have to build it yourself + powered (so you most likely you them as monitors speakers) and you need to split the signal for stereo. This is what I think they don't really compare to towers or other bookshelves like the SVS Ultra or Wharfedale because those are mostly meant to be used in living rooms for HiFi or Home Theater listening. I don't really see the DINAS anywhere but a desk.
I would say they will work for two-channel audio, but not for a home theater. Most devices have an analog RCA out or a 3.5mm jack which can be converted to RCA. It is typically only video sources that have a signal that needs to be decoded from DTS or Dolby Digital etc. Even then, you could get a $20 optical to RCA converter on Amazon. Some even have remotes. I've even seen HDMI extractors that split the video and audio signal and converts the audio signal to analog.
They would be really nice for surround sound. Especially if your receiver has a preout. Just hookup the RCA preout straight to the side of the amplifier that you hooked up the speaker to. You will be set. I used it this way in my living room with great success.
Nice sharing. I wonder if we can have something smaller in size for the overall gadget? Probably compromising sub-woofer with a higher frequency like 40-45Hz? smaller than the 5"1/4" inch that you use. Anyway, it's inspiring to see your video. Good job!
Why they "only" go down to 50 hz(in flat mode). Is it the amp responce or are these speakers tuned to 50 hz. Good design by the way, I wanted to make a 3 way speaker with the TB but a lot of crossover calculations did make me skip the project. This project is more DIY friendly. Nice Speakers 😃
Great video. I was always under the impression that the sub driver needs to be separated (if only by a sealed wall in the enclosure) from the mid drivers or the mids will suffer from the air pressure. This build seems to debunk that theory.
Fantastic video Joe! I'm glad you are enjoying the DINAS. Amazing review. it was an honor and a great experience working with you.
Can you make a pair more and ship to denmark :)
@@GRAAmusic haha, I'm not sure that Denmark would be very cost-effective. However I have had a few people buy the plans overseas and they're having other people build the cabinets for them. So that's always an option
@@Toid I will do that then. :) love the build.
Hey Can you make a Video how a completely Passive Version Sound Look like? ( the Crossover)
I'm not planning on it since this was designed to be active. I'm sure it could be done. Just need to properly crossover the woofer to the full-range driver.
This looks like such a fun project. I’m already envisioning little tweaks and personalizations I could do, like maybe cutting out a little scoop on top for that tweeter B&W style. Thanks Joe and Toid for contributing something that I’m sure is going to make a lot of people really happy!
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Now I've gotta build these. They look great. As for volume, you could wire a Linkwitz-Riley 3-way active crossover into those amplifiers w/o much work. At 24db/octave rollover, it should reduce the distortion noticeably, but it will cost another $200. It won't be louder, but it will sound louder than they do without the crossovers. I did that with 3-way JBL Pro speakers and a Denon 5803 AVR (6 x 170W MOSFETs), replacing a nightmare passive crossover & a pair of jacked-up and bridged Hafler amps. The max SPL didn't really change: 117db at 1M now, vs 116db with passive, but it sounds a LOT louder, a lot cleaner, w/ a lot of low-end gut-punch.
Tang band drivers are underrated as shit. I worked with and listen to a lot of higher end drivers (Seas Excel, Scan-Speak, vifa/peerless, accuton etc) and Tang bands are damn good for their price.
Wow, that's good to hear coming from someone who seems to have a good amount of experience with different drivers.
wavecor is another company that reaches the quality of seas excel, scan speak but at a lower price point. they also have interesting tweeter with a waveguide which gives you a better time alignment
this is the kinda setup I wanted to build, LOVE IT! Unfortunately I'm stuck in apartment living so I'll be sticking a 6 inch woofer down below, but this just gives me SO MANY Ideas
With my space and budget constraints, this is exactly what i'm looking for. Even the wood design matches the rest of my house! I love it. Please take my money!
Great video!! How do you think these would hold up next to the hivi 3.1 diy kit?? I built a pair a couple years ago and LOVE them!! Looking for something to replace my desktop speakers and thought these would be a good fit
I'd love to see a tower version of these.
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Yes, I was thinking of building a tower with 4 of these in each box. 72 mm xmax and almost the same cone area as a 15".
@@joentell how u listen this in stereo mode .......
2.1 ch in amp in each side .....
Both left and right ch is in same side of each 2.1 ch 😂 ..........
Then
How u listen in stereo mode .........
I have a solution ......
Each 3.5 mm jack have .. LGR wire ....
Provide LG wire only on left side Amp
And RG wire only on right side Amp
My non commercial dream speakers.!!! I would really love to hear the music that upload in those BEASTS.!!! Those speakers include so much passion in them...!!!
listening to this on my own set of DIY DINAS! I decided to build mine without the tweeter they still sound great.
I still run speedsters by Paul Carmody and I even have run them in MTM T-Lines. I love Paul’s designs. Glad to hear you guys taking it a step further. The drivers are pretty awesome.
Man I wish I could buy these already assembled
That would be awesome huh. Maybe one day. @123toid offers a flat pack so you don't need to cut the would. Just glue everything together, paint it and wire it up.
@@joentell I would totally be interested in a flat pack for these? @123toid how do I get ahold of these?
Dude, When I built my first cabinets back in 92' I made them with the slotted port at the bottom. Being I was only 16 at the time I never saw anyone use this method and now I see it a lot. Also, back then people thought I was crazy to use Birch ply for the cabinets and now I see a lot of people doing that as well. I know I didn't start anything but man, it sure feels that way.
That's awesome! Maybe you have good instincts.
It's also soooo much easier to get a decent looking finish with birch instead of MDF.
@@johnbewty MDF sucks to finish. You have to seal it really well first. I've done some high gloss finishes, but it took me days.
You did it first bro! I believe you!
I had birch plyskeamers I made in the early 80s, nothing new.
It is good you were able to get the interviews to cushion the blow of less reviews during your move. Good luck with it, hopefully you enjoy the new space you get!!
Yes, exactly. And thank you!
Nice speakers. Good work guys.
Though you have me wondering how they'd do with a chamferred port instead of a slot.
I’ve had this polk audio sound bar with what I believe to be a 6” subwoofer. For being such a small driver, this sub really shows out... I’ve had to take pictures, paintings, etc. off of the wall in the room just because of how bad it would rattle. Impressive for a 6 inch subwoofer, yes, but still not comparable to a much larger driver such as a 12”.... the highs and miss of the sound bar are impressive as well, and can get almost too loud, but yet I find it rare to be ear piercing. Nothing but good review for a somewhat inexpensive Polk sound bar and sub. 👌🏻
This is awesome. Very very interesting. Amazing job Joe. Thanks for the video, as always. Because of such crazy awesome videos, this is one of my toplist favourite channel on UA-cam ..
Cool idea having a 3 way speaker that reliably handles a full range of frequencies. Is it setup so every driver crosses over and none of the drivers play the same frequency range? Would be a dream speaker for smaller rooms, not needing a sub and having less clutter in an office.
Yes, we made sure the crossover points were smooth and complimentary. The crossover for the woofer is adjustable as is the level.
I'd like to see a D.I.Y. speaker project with built-in amplification and DSP for correction. Especially with (sub-)woofer protection; louder volumes dial down the bass and low volumes allow accentuation to flatten the frequency response.
Regarding the DINAS...
1. The plate amp is available as the AIRS SW-501 in Aliexpress. I have used it over a year ago in a 2.1 boombox project. The speakers (including the satellites) are connected internally.
2. The amp is based on two TPA3118D2 chip amps. One for the sub (with variable crossover) and the second for the satellites. The TPA3118D2 chips are without any heatsinks. They use the plate section for heat dissipation. They are more suitable for 8 ohm loads. You have used 4 ohm speakers all around. Be careful of not overheating the chips.
3. The RS100's are good drivers. But they can be a bit forward sounding in the midrange. Will await the sound test and comments for this.
4. The tweeter will definitely help in sound dispersion and increase the sweet spot and sound stage.
5. I am keen to understand how you hooked up the tweeter and full range drivers. Did you connect both left and right channels outputs to one output?
6. Also, the plate amp has 25V capacitors all around. So, I have used a 24V 5A power brick without any issues. You get the best out the amplifier with 24V power supply.
7. Overall, the DINAS are a great looking project. Very clean lines. I have used the bigger brother of the subwoofer, the Tang Band 1139SIF, in a another boonbox project using the AIRs SW-1001 plate amp which also has bluetooth and power supply built-in. That project has the RS100-8's and the AMT-8 tweeters doing satellite duties. All connected internally. Great powerful sound all around.
I built a speaker for use with my Icom IC-7100 radio which uses a Dayton RS100-4. Many ham operators use cheap, 2-way speakers with their radios, but I wanted a single driver which could cover the entire range of the human voice with no crossover. The speaker I built using the RS100-4 is the best sounding communications speaker I've ever heard. It even sounds good with the IC-3100 tuned to FM broadcast! I'm sure the RS100-4 works great in your DINAS, because it keeps the crossover out of the all-important mid-range band.
Thanks for sharing that. It seems like a successful project.
for any Australians, the total cost for the build including shipping comes to $575 Aud
Champion....cheers
Fantastic job guys!! Reminds my of my Avantone Abbey's, get really really low for their size. Love to see more bookshelf 3 ways.
This is Amazing!!! Exactly what I've been looking for and would be nice for a project too.
"...they're not the flattest sounding speakers in the world..." really?! +/- 5-6dB from 55hz to 20k? I've seen studio monitors with a far nastier response curve honestly! That graph looks great if it's legit! Great job!
It ain't bad...that's for sure. I tend to play stuff down a bit just because there's always a speaker out there that does something better. Thanks for noticing though.
I LITERALLY NEED THESE IN MY LIFE
You’re awesome, Joe! I don’t know how you have the time and ideas for your videos, but I really appreciate them. Thank you!
This is cool and I want one. Those TB woofers are beasts! The dual plate amp design makes a ton of sense. I might be able to build these later this year.
I'm sure someone will find a reason why using dual plate amps is a "terrible" idea. LOL.
Joe N Tell Expense. Thats the reason why its a terrible idea. Other than that, good job
Joe N Tell Panalong panalo.
I’m still not sold on that RS100 for the midrange when you’ve got it sandwiched between a great (sub) woofer and tweeter. I’ve heard it’s a fantastic speaker, but there are tons of great 2-4” options that I think could be a little cheaper and get you a flatter response through the mids. Of course then you’re stuck working out a crossover, which could eat up any money you saved real quick. Hopefully I can build a pair myself soon and do some experimenting! That’s what diy speakers are all about, right?
Can you recommend such alternatives? I'm interested.
Exactly. The RS100 is a good fullrange but there are better ones out there. Lately, I feel like it is getting more and more transparant that 123toid is on Parts Express' payroll. Not sure how to feel about that to be honest....
He's not on their payroll! Lol. Some of you jump to these conclusions a bit too fast. He clearly states as I do that we get stuff for free from some of these companies in exchange for a review of that product. We also can set up an account with a 3rd party to receive a TINY commission for each product sold using our affiliate link.
We ain't getting rich over here buddy. Speaking for myself, I support the channel more than it supports me. I've worked for free for the first year.
If you're enjoying the videos, just enjoy them and don't wrongfully accuse people of being on the "payroll" when they aren't. It's a bit of an insult. I've been my own boss for 15+ years. I am not on anyone's payroll because I don't want anyone telling me what to do. 👊🙏
Bogdan Serban I’d start with the Dayton TCP115 to see how a $10 woofer would compare. If that didn’t work I’d try the DS115, DA115, DS90, or DSA90 if I wanted to stick with Dayton in the $20 range (which I probably would). You could also try the Peerless SLS-85S25CP04-04 or Fountek FW100B, also under $20.
Vincent Koster I mentioned this same point on an earlier video and it was Joe that said he just really liked the look of the RS100, so I’m not sure that was Toid’s doing entirely. And I really like Dayton and Parts Express, for what it’s worth, and they’ve never paid me anything. They’re just easy to work with because they have tons of options, they’re generally well made, and they publish all the specs you could want making them very easy to model. Parts Express has a fantastic website, huge catalogue, and great service. It’s just as likely in my mind that 123toid likes Daytons and Parts Express for the same reasons I like them, and nothing more.
Nice Collab! I may need to put these on my project list!
If only you knew the designer...
Cool DIY speakers. If you could review RBH Sound Impression series bookshelves sometime that would be awesome. They're in the price range of the speakers you review and are supposed to be really solid speakers.
My yamaha floorstanders hit to 29Hz, and yes you DO need a tweeter, never rely on a midbass driver to deliver proper treble, its not happening. these lepai plate amps could be the perfect solution to desktop audio though.
No you don't need a tweeter , a Great full range speaker will do just that Fullrange , Look at Fostex drivers for instance or TangBand .
@@TheTechGuyYT "never rely on midbass driver to deliver proper treble"
Midbass drivers rarely go over 5khz, even good fullrange driver like you mentioned start to drop off over 16khz but due to nature of our ears we barely notice it. 2 Way vs full range will always be better.
Andrew Jones will be proud of you!
I would hope so
These Speakers look great and seem to be really awesome! Just started looking into DYO speakers. How is the usability as Studio monitors? Do you have a chance to compare them to Adams or Focals? Or would you rate them as Hifi Speaker?
I've rated them for desktop use and for use as bookshelf speakers on my speaker leaderboard. Did you get to see that part of the video? I haven't tested Focals or Adam.
Great looking speakers! I wish I had the means to build these myself! It would be a very fun project.
Follow the links, someone is making the panels, all you have to do is glue it together. $100
I think that's @123toid.
This is a great job guys. Well done for the use case. Tempted to build for desktop speakers.
I haven't heard anything better at my desk.
These Speakers are awesome! Toid123 better start taking orders!
For you, I'll take an order for ;)
Just hit up the whole parts list and build plans thru your links!! Can't wait to get these built.
I think this will create a new trend. Bookshelves that can truly hit low.
I hope so. We need it!
@@Toid Made a similar 2 way build with the same woofer and a similar port last summer. So seeing this sorta thing become a trend is really cool imo!
@@__-fm5qv That is awesome! Glad to see that you thought of it as well!
For some reason that "Amazing Bass" song killed me. I laughed at that way harder than I probably should have.
Are you in your new location? Would love to see an official demo in your new place. That would be encouraging. Meanwhile, thanks for the encouragement on using this model plate amp.
Where can I get cabs for these? That’s the one thing I can’t do myself. Not woodworking tools, no room in the garage for them, no way to get there. It would be great if I could buy these in a kit!
Also, I agree on the use of paper in a sub, woofer or midrange, unless you’re using a dome for the midrange. I would consider making a four way system, with a midwoofer and a dome midrange for upper mid frequencies, also the with these killer tweeters.
"...there's more to a speaker than bass" Does that really require stating? I guess it depends on what music you listen to. I'd be interested in seeing someone who reviews commercially produced speakers compare something like this to some of the more known branded speakers. This idea is definitely "food for thought". Great video, thanks.
I'm assuming you mean some of the bigger name reviews, as how does do reviews of comercial speakers....
@@attainableaudio4533 Exactly, I didn't phrase it very well, but that's what I was trying to convey.
I would have built a pair of these for that wonderful bass, but I got my hands on a pair of ADS L810's that I have on this desktop and they're easily the best-sounding speakers I've ever heard. I was told they were used as monitors back in the day. Same 35htz bottom end, and 3-way. But, slightly more expensive than these DINAS. Great job.
Those are much larger also
I have listened to literally thousands of different speakers over the past 30 years or so,
And these are a absolutely stellar! anything else in this realm seldom get lower the 45HZ for woofers.
Have you made these too?
@@aug.jam.1 I have put together similar versions with comparable hardware, but not these exact builds.
@@BrasspineappleProductions ok, I was thinking about just that, because I´d actually would like to make similar ones but instead passive speakers as I already have a decent amplifier. Thanks
@@aug.jam.1 I would recommend experimental builds to evaluate comparisons.
Great video Joe. I love the design criteria and execution.
They look great and a nice looking response and I really like the name.
have not been online for a while. But damn. Well done guys! Looking insane !
I prefer the Tang Band W6-1139SI (6.5") paired with the Dayton Audio RS100-4 and Peerless BC25SC06-04. I built them in a D'Appolito configuration with amazing results; no extra subwoofers required.
Great build. Fantastic results guys. I think a nice big scallop between the tweeter and the mid might help with increasing listening sweet spot.
Great idea!
Dope!!!!!!
those woofers and mid ranges look beautiful
0:02 - No no no, Joe .. Your sorry is not accepted .. I'm being greedy here .. Post such amazing amazing amazing videos as frequently as possible .. Just kidding, never mind .. But truly, you are doing a great job. And once again thank you and keep posting ..
I'm late getting to this build, but GREAT JOB! I build speakers all the time, and I usually go against the grain with them. Thanks for the inspiration!
Thanks!
What is the response curve without the tweeter? I'm interested in building as a 2-way. Thx!
Good question. I don't know. 123Toid would know
Awesome build!!!
Hey Joe! Brilliant collab here, absolutely love it. In fact I was just about to buy a pair of ai60 but I might go with the Dinas instead. One problem though, I'm following all the links to get the parts for this build but I can't find the speaker enclosure. Any help with this?
You have to either build it yourself or contact 123Toid on his Etsy. He will be selling pre-cut parts soon.
@@joentell Perfect! My friend and I will be picking up a pair of all the parts for this build. We were hoping you two had plans to sell the enclosure too. Exciting stuff, thanks Joe!
Ask 123toid on his Etsy. I know he's been mentioning selling the cut wood also.
Ronsoloplz. I am not sure if you heard, but the enclosures are for sale on my Etsy TD Audio
Thanks for this interesting video. 35 Hz is not just a challenge for bookshelf speakers but even for most other speakers in general. However, what means 35 Hz? At what noise level? By the way, the Dynaudio Crafft is still a great sounding benchmark for bookshelf speakers being able to show no significant drop down at 50 Hz
-3db.
Dude! You did such a beautiful job on the cabinets and then stuffed a lepai amp into it. Should have put a gainclone kit in it.....maybe a little more work but stellar sound. Nice job regardless.
I can't take credit for the woodwork. That's all @123toid
I really want these but I have an Alesis RA-100 for power. Would be interested in a passive version.
It would be nice to see a full size tower build. Perhaps a 4 way with these speakers adding a dayton HO 15.
Makes me want to build a speaker again! Does this hiss at all? (Disconnect your inputs to test to make sure it's not them.)
Very quiet
Hi, I wondering why you use just 2 Channels from the plate amp? I bought the plans and builded the speakers by myself. Is it too much power having 30 Watts for high and another 30 watts for the mid range speaker? So fare I love the dinas. I struggled I bit with inches to mm because the wood in Germany is thinner or thicker the 0.5 inches. Cheers Frank
I would like these in a non powered version and a sealed sub rather than ported
I'm salivating.... audioporn
would perfect if this has balanced TRS or XLR
Fantastic build. Love it.
I'd LOVE to have a pair of these......except I'm too Lazy to Build them.......
Should probably add a 'Best DIY' column if you will be reviewing them with any kind of frequency.
Frequency! Haha, probably not intended as a pun, but I'm taking it that way! :D
An excellent build.
Well done guys. Now on to the mark II
While watching this video, midway, all of a sudden question came to my mind, where exactly this speaker will stand on leadership board ??
You should really rate the HSU HB1 Mk2 on your leaderboard. I would love to see where they land! Keep in mind they do require some break in, but damn they sound amazing with good power. I use a Bryston 3b with them.
Do you know if it would be possible to build a set like you have here, but that allows for multiple line inputs (especially some balanced TRS, that would be great), and mixes all inputs? I have multiple computers/devices I want to play through a single sound system, but without toggling between them. I have a system that works right now, but it's a bit janky.
This without a doubt your best and most useful videos because I've seen a similar but larger build compared to this. Birch kicks the crap out of MDF because Birch could get it done without bracing. No, that tweeter (I've used in two builds) the screen about even with the front. I didn't nail mine down and moved it around.
@slow mazda Wood does matter and it has NOTHING to do with pores LOL! Again. Hard Woods DO NOT NEED to be BRACED in 90% of their installs or applications. Even Pro Cabinets like Markbass, Orange, Fender, Mesa, Ampeg, and etc. DON'T brace or deaden their enclosures. Yes, I've heard the BS from KEF fanboys.
You know you're dealing with serious bookshelf speakers when it air cools you from 6 feet away during the summer time.
I wonder how many people built these... Having to turn up the volume or adjust a low/mid/high frequency separately on each driver and each speaker is where this build lost me ... but still love your guys' channels!! ;)
Thanks for the review because I just ordered some of those subs
These are amazing speakers. I have very little to add that you have not said yourself yet. But as a speaker designer myself I feel like the claimed f3 is misleading. In the measurement it is clearly visible that the actual f3 (considering the definition of f3) is around 44Hz. Turning up the subwoofer level does not magically lower f3, it increases the subwoofer output. So relative to, say 1000Hz, the f3 is lower but because of the enormous bump between 40 and 100Hz it does not sound like that at all, you merely increase the midbass. They are definitely low/hard hitting speakers with tons of nice features but an f3 of 45Hz-ish is not rare nowadays. In addition, feeling the ports at 6ft away is not a sign of 'loud bass' but merely of a relatively small port. If you add a port that is much too small relative to the air displacement of the woofer to any given speaker, you will feel the wind at longer distances. It's not special, it's not a sign of power, it's a design flaw/limitation.
To wrap it up, these speakers are good but the specs are a little over-hyped and despite their features, the speakers have their limitations, just like any other pair of speakers. Props to 123toid for designing such an accesible and feature rich speaker but please retain your honest and mostly objective style and don't over-hype a speaker.
I love Paul’s designs
I also love running that series of woofers from TB for sure! I usually run fountek ribbon tweets.... they’re so fast and can resolve anything... but to some they’re too airy and not warm like some soft silkies
I have built these. They sound great!!
Built as set, and..... Out of this world for the money!
What a really nice and informative channel i just found! Excellent work Joe. You have the best speaker reviews and comparison I have seen. Very down to earth, enough for us interested in quality, but close enough to what average people like me would understand, not inside the audiophile difficult to understand niche. Have you seen Doug Demuro? you could create a JoeNscore to make your leaderboard a bit more easily comparable when it gets more and more speakers. Greetings from South America!
Hey thank you! I try my best to make it entertaining and informative. I used to do a weighted rating system, but it took a long time to do. I might bring it back someday.
is there a detailed build video for these speakers? they are absolutely amazing
I've seen the plan and they're pretty detailed. Also, @123toid can respond to any of your build questions.
Hey Joe! I´m a big fun of your channel, Learning a lot from you.Good stuff !!
A question my friend: What do you thing about opposed subwoofer drivers for DINAS? (like the Bearfoot Sound ones). Im planning to build a pair of DINAS with two Tang Bang in each side oppossed in a sealed cabin. Your advice would be great!
Cheers
Marco
My dual W5-1138 subwoofer has a slotted port. I’ve been using slot ports for over 14 years in all of my designs.
Oh yeah, slotted ports aren't new. They are just a variation of the port on that Voxel subwoofer we based some of this build on.
Hey Joe thanks for the review.....enjoyed it....I would like to make these on a larger scale for recording studio reference speakers. could you point me in the right direction of parts I would need for a similar outcome. Thanks
Nick, I have few questions about DINAS build plans I bought on 18 Dec 2021.
1) I managed to find speaker box made of plywood/MDF with 12cm or 15cm thickness from Taobao online with dimension of 12.6" x 7.87" x 9.8" (HxWxD) compare to build plans dimension of 12.5"x7.5"x10" is it okay to use it for DINAS or it has to be exact as build plans to get the expected result?
Any different to use 15cm thickness for the flat pack instead of 12cm in term of box resonance at low frequency?
Taobao online speaker box slot port design might be different but I could fabricate it myself with the hand tool.
2) There is 0.68uF capacitor connected to external tweeter in series and then parallel to the Mid range speaker in reverse polarity, what is the reason of reverse polarity connection on tweeter? Same question on Woofer speaker reverse polarity as well.
3) why not connect tweeter and capacitor in series onto (R) channel directly instead of parallel to Full range speaker on (L) channel since there are two channels available?
Thks&Rdgs,
Foon
Really cool! Awesome video and build!
Those look awesome man! Very cool that you guys ventured into building something from the ground up. Very impressive
That's a big compliment from a guy who does his own countertops! Those came out great btw.
@@joentell Ha! Thanks man! DIY stuff is so much fun... I seriously might have to look into building these later this year when I get a few other projects done. I do need some computer speakers... you guys really pulled off a great looking setup. I'm sure they sound awesome
I'm sure those 3 x 24" woofers got you spoiled, but these hit for a desk situation. I'm sure you would appreciate that they do for their size.
You want more volume, I say go all out and use the Dayton Audio PPA800DSP's to make a dual sub WWMMT tower version of the Dinas.
Hell yeah!!!!
Paper speake cones are tough to beat. There have been many different materials used in woofers over the years, but paper is still the top choice of most builders. Now this is kind of an interest design for another reason, besides what the commentator tells us. I have several drivers I’ve bought for other projects, but I never completed them for various reasons. So, I’ve got some Dayton Audio 10” inch woofers. I’ve also got a pair of Silver Flute 6.5” mid woofers I was going to put in my car. But after the original speakers were broken in I didn’t need them fir my car. I can use those down to 50Hz. With the active crossover of this system I can cross them anywhere they sound the best. I’ve lost got a pair of 2” dome midrange made by Peerless in the 80’s, but mine are in great shape and sound awesome. The only thing I don’t have are tweeters. I do have a pair of Peerless rectangle snapped some tweeters that I used with this some mids, but they just don’t have that extra something. I like the tweeters he uses here. So I might use the same drivers h uses here and use the 10” woofers to reinforce the bass of the desk speakers, but that’s something that I’ll have to figure our in the room I’m going to use them in. I could always sell the 10” woofers to help fund this build, so, we’ll see how thing’s pan out, but I could theoretically build a set of four way speakers with these, a pair of towers with labyrinth patrician for the very low frequencies, a pair of silver flats from 100hz to 1000 Hz, the dome mids from 1000 Hz p to where ever the tweeters will come in and then the tweeters. I could save the silver flutes for rear channel surrounds using the same tweeters as the Dinas. Or I could use to hem on top of the dinas to widen the soundstage up front. It could bud a lot of fun to figure out!
Enjoyed your video. The link to the Lepa LP210PA doesn't work though. I'd like to build an 8" subwoofer using the cross over... what kit is reasonable, under say $100.
These are so interesting, no crossover, cheap amp, and a woofer that plays down to 35hz. How do these compare to the swans hivi diy 3.1a speakers as far as sound quality? I just bought that kit so I'm worried I should have built this instead
Glad you put a tweeter in as I find the RS100 to sound quite unpleasant up high.
Great concept and fair quality for the money. I have to admit it is not for the general public since you have to build it yourself + powered (so you most likely you them as monitors speakers) and you need to split the signal for stereo. This is what I think they don't really compare to towers or other bookshelves like the SVS Ultra or Wharfedale because those are mostly meant to be used in living rooms for HiFi or Home Theater listening.
I don't really see the DINAS anywhere but a desk.
I would say they will work for two-channel audio, but not for a home theater. Most devices have an analog RCA out or a 3.5mm jack which can be converted to RCA. It is typically only video sources that have a signal that needs to be decoded from DTS or Dolby Digital etc. Even then, you could get a $20 optical to RCA converter on Amazon. Some even have remotes. I've even seen HDMI extractors that split the video and audio signal and converts the audio signal to analog.
They would be really nice for surround sound. Especially if your receiver has a preout. Just hookup the RCA preout straight to the side of the amplifier that you hooked up the speaker to. You will be set. I used it this way in my living room with great success.
Wow thank you for this information I've have been wanting too builf some my self Thanks
Nice sharing. I wonder if we can have something smaller in size for the overall gadget? Probably compromising sub-woofer with a higher frequency like 40-45Hz? smaller than the 5"1/4" inch that you use. Anyway, it's inspiring to see your video. Good job!
Why they "only" go down to 50 hz(in flat mode). Is it the amp responce or are these speakers tuned to 50 hz. Good design by the way, I wanted to make a 3 way speaker with the TB but a lot of crossover calculations did make me skip the project. This project is more DIY friendly. Nice Speakers 😃
I think it has more to do with how the speaker itself responds as well as how it's tuned.
Great video. I was always under the impression that the sub driver needs to be separated (if only by a sealed wall in the enclosure) from the mid drivers or the mids will suffer from the air pressure. This build seems to debunk that theory.
The mid is in its own separate enclosure