Much of the smoke coming out is likely excess fuel from the amount of blow-by reducing available oxygen and increasing the amount of HCs present in the intake. Add an EFI system to balance that out (subtract the fuel that has no O2 to react with) and it would likely be much cleaner still.
@@joshmanis9860 An excessive amount of blow-by would pick up oil from the crank case and send it up into the intake. They did notice an excessive amount of smoke and blow-by volume coming out of the crank case and they did decide to pipe that into the intake before their test-drive. With a carburettor, you still have the same amount of fuel going in regardless of what the blow-by gasses are made of and you get a lot more of everything-smoke coming out since there is less oxygen all around to burn everything with. With EFI, excess HCs would get balanced out and whatever oil goes through either way would burn much more cleanly.
Compression rings serve a dual purpose, by keeping the pressure in the combustion chamber they also keep it out of the crankcase. You're to get a lot of crankcase pressure and all the problems that go with that pressure. Might not happen right away, but it will happen.
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I asked for that a few months ago. They could cut cilinder wall with a latte to make ports install direct injection and use long bolts that cross blocks. Maybe could work but its hard to timming that
The oil ring and holes in the piston is made to apply oil to the cylinder, not wipe it away. The ring right above the oil ring is called the wiper ring which wipes the oil away and the top ring is the compression ring.
Here's an idea: Stuff the top groove with compression rings and drill holes in the middle groove so you have two oil ring grooves with holes plus a bunch of compression rings on top
no reason to do that because if that was the case it wouldn't smoke after it warmed up . when a engine smokes and doesn't stop you know it's the bottom end not the top end
From here in Scotland UK you guys absolutely amazing the things you. Guys do ,next nitrous oxide a lada pls and turbocharged or blower eh pls give it a try thanks
It will work for a little while, but the reason the compression rings are made of harder heat resistant material is they do get very hot, especially the top one, so oil compression rings will not last that high up on the piston, he would have had very similar results by just putting in a full normal set of rings on those pistons. A better idea than is to at least hone the bores. They would last longer than.
What about pistons made of brick? Because we know, when you fire up an brick, it comes more better for building. Or maybe make some various pistons out of stone like material. We know there are even ceramic brakes, but what about ceramic piston? And maybe the last, but not the least idea, how will the wooden rims work nowdays on a car? Are they still a possibility?
I bet if you took a few minutes to hone the cylinders to help the new rings seat better along with fitting oil rings in the 2nd & 3rd ring groves & a compression ring in the top grove that would be an ideal setup to get a lot more life out of a worn motor that otherwise needed a rebore with new pistons. But you did a great job trying something that’s not been done before that I know of so keep up the good work & trying different automotive projects to fix everyday car issues. Happy Motoring from Scott from the USA.
Alot of that could be valve stem oil seals aswel??? What about 1 compression ring like some racing 2stroke engines so there's compression and 2 oil scraper rings
I love your videos you guys always do a great job ! And hats off to all the mechanic, they do an excellent job fixing things that are not in the best shape .😊
How about making an opposed piston, opposed cylinder engine? 2 pistons per cylinder and 2 crankshafts. Stack 2 short blocks together, and make it 2 cycle. Make one crankshaft lead the other by 23 degrees to improve scavenging. Beware of Pascal's Law: you cannot compress a liquid, so don't flood the engine with fuel.
You should try taking out the wavy ring in between the oil rings and using all thin oil rings to fill in the ring space and see how it works even use the thin ones for the compression rings that would be like 20 rings on each piston lol
In the u.s.a. lot of used car dealerships will have a mechanic that does something like that a lot of other tricks like that to make a car that isn't going to last very long seem like it's going to last a while what the what helps stop it from burning as much oil there's always a underlying problem it doesn't get fixed
Those cylinder walls were a mess , should have been honed if not bored! Scratches and grooves won’t seal even with 5 oil rings.. I’ve know machinists to run no oil rings with just 2 low tension compression rings and not smoke! Always interesting to watch your experiments
We hear a narrator, not the camera guy. Pretty sure the camera guy is also russian like the rest of the crew. This channel is russian videos narrated for english speaking audiences by BMI Russia.
Maybe put oil controll rings in the two bottom groves of the piston and drill the holes they need to get rid of the oil. Then leave the top compression ring in place and make another grove in the piston for a second compression ring between the top of the piston and the original first ring grove. There is some space there for another ring. That might solve the smoking and the blowby issue.
Idea: can you make a rolling woodworking shop? A sawblade or a bandsaw on the driveshaft. A chute in the bottom to use the road as a belt sander. Knock together some simple wooden thing on the move.
Those oil rings will lose tension over time cause they can’t handle the pressures from combustion. That’s why compression rings are different materials. The secondary ring is a scraper and that’s usually the one responsible for smoke or scratches and deformations in the cylinder wall.
At 4 minutes. I'm guessing there will be no compression at all. I'm curious though if they will hold for long enough for the piston compression to actually break the rings. at least 1 compression ring would have probably been a good idea. :D
Do pt.2 of driving a car with no differential fluid to see how long till the actual bearings of the differential will go till it breaks! This time let both wheels spin
Perfect timing....i was wondering about how this would work.....i'm looking at using half the cylinders of an engine as a vacuum pump driven by the other cylinders running as normal.....this means that the cylinders working as the vacuum pump need extra oil rings to prevent the crankcase oil getting sucked up into the cylinders.....i was actually wondering about how 2 oil rings and one compression ring would work
Would've been interesting if you could find or manufacture oil rings that would fit the compression ring grooves so you wouldn't even need to machine the piston!
This actually works pretty well. At least on heavy equipment. I've driven a front loader that had that. At first it was a bit strange, but soon you learned to love it. Thing is you can pop the clutch while standing still and nothing happens other than the engine RPM going down slightly. Let go of the brake and the machine will start moving. For low speed maneuvering you moderate speed with the brakes and never touch the clutch. For a front loader this was just about perfect. Another thing is that it didn't have a reverse gear. Instead there were a separate gear for selecting back or forward without touching the main gearbox. With the torque converter switching from forward to reverse was very quick and seamless. With the way you work with a front loader there's about as much going backwards as going forward, so this was second only to a fully hydraulic transmission or possibly a electric drive system. So yes, a torque converter is an interesting addition to a car. Oh and with enough engine it's all you need, at least according to Koenigsegg who showed off a hyper car where they skipped the common gearbox, only retaining forward and reverse, and used a massive torque converter. Well that was with a 1100 HP engine so not necessarily the same as putting one on a clapped out Lada...
wow thanks for the reply what you have said sounds really cool. I'm a mechanic rn and have always wondered if it would just become kind of like a sequential where no clutch is needed. I hope they do it lol@@blahorgaslisk7763
I would call the experiment a success. Under normal driving conditions it smokes significantly less than before. Good one boet.
Much of the smoke coming out is likely excess fuel from the amount of blow-by reducing available oxygen and increasing the amount of HCs present in the intake. Add an EFI system to balance that out (subtract the fuel that has no O2 to react with) and it would likely be much cleaner still.
@@teardowndan5364 no thats oil smoke i can tell because its blue
@@joshmanis9860exactly
@@joshmanis9860 An excessive amount of blow-by would pick up oil from the crank case and send it up into the intake. They did notice an excessive amount of smoke and blow-by volume coming out of the crank case and they did decide to pipe that into the intake before their test-drive.
With a carburettor, you still have the same amount of fuel going in regardless of what the blow-by gasses are made of and you get a lot more of everything-smoke coming out since there is less oxygen all around to burn everything with. With EFI, excess HCs would get balanced out and whatever oil goes through either way would burn much more cleanly.
They also fully cleaned the pistons and fitted brand new rings. No shit it doesn’t smoke lol
EGR recirculates exhaust, PCV recirculates the positive crankcase pressure
Compression rings serve a dual purpose, by keeping the pressure in the combustion chamber they also keep it out of the crankcase. You're to get a lot of crankcase pressure and all the problems that go with that pressure. Might not happen right away, but it will happen.
This is what I was wondering
Crankcase ventilation?
They also keep the top of the pissing from slapping the cylinder wall
They didn't even do a quick hone with a drill. SMH
as you would see if you watched the video
That's very impressive how well that worked. Also. Can we all give our upmost powerful cheers for the camera guy/s on Team Garage 54?
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@@jasonlogan5765 I agree wholeheartedly. Those camera folks work the flanks off to do there job.
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@@SocketSlinger If you imagine that Zelensky is white Saatdam Hussein, and Putin is white Obama. Then you will agree with Putin? One can also imagine Libya, Vietnam, Afghanistan and a dozen other countries where the United States invaded.
@@user-iq2uw5ow4j most American's don't even support US invasions. We're tired of it, and hope our Russian friends see the folly of it as well.
@@adamk203 When we see the war criminal Obama imprisoned for the genocide of millions of Iraqis, and sanctions against America for war crimes. That's when this conversation will make sense. And for some reason I have not seen mass anti-war demonstrations in America.
I have not seen the condemnation of Obama's war crimes by ordinary Americans. I conclude that you are lying. And what is the US military doing in Syria now? Why does America need 800 military bases around the world? So, save your demogogy for your grandmother.🤣
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Can you build an opposite piston engine from two Lada engine?
I asked for that a few months ago. They could cut cilinder wall with a latte to make ports install direct injection and use long bolts that cross blocks. Maybe could work but its hard to timming that
@@LeoKadettTouringCarthey could just make it diesel
1.8 TSI VAG engine needs this 😂😂😂
This is engineering at it's finest. I love this guy.
I want to see those oil rings now!
I bet they're flattened.
The oil ring and holes in the piston is made to apply oil to the cylinder, not wipe it away. The ring right above the oil ring is called the wiper ring which wipes the oil away and the top ring is the compression ring.
Here's an idea: Stuff the top groove with compression rings and drill holes in the middle groove so you have two oil ring grooves with holes plus a bunch of compression rings on top
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Really should have checked compression before and after you made the fix, would have been really interesting to know how the engine had changed.
I would think the top ring will smash the wavy spring ring under combustion pressure. We'll see I guess.
I would have replaced the valve guide seals to be sure that the oil burnt is coming from the piston not the head... Awesome video!
no reason to do that because if that was the case it wouldn't smoke after it warmed up . when a engine smokes and doesn't stop you know it's the bottom end not the top end
From here in Scotland UK you guys absolutely amazing the things you. Guys do ,next nitrous oxide a lada pls and turbocharged or blower eh pls give it a try thanks
It will work for a little while, but the reason the compression rings are made of harder heat resistant material is they do get very hot, especially the top one, so oil compression rings will not last that high up on the piston, he would have had very similar results by just putting in a full normal set of rings on those pistons. A better idea than is to at least hone the bores. They would last longer than.
That burnout with 0 smoke was funny. Ice had tires like that before
Hell yeah! Lets do this!
What about pistons made of brick? Because we know, when you fire up an brick, it comes more better for building. Or maybe make some various pistons out of stone like material. We know there are even ceramic brakes, but what about ceramic piston? And maybe the last, but not the least idea, how will the wooden rims work nowdays on a car? Are they still a possibility?
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They must buy head gaskets in bulk.
Lol. Was thinking that myself. There are a few items that they must buy by the pallet! Cheers
I've figured out why I enjoy this channel so much. It's the sort of things I would do if my wife would let me 😂
Sounds like you need to just get rid of your wife
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In the zombie apocalypse, these dudes will be the one man standing as far as Automotive engineers. They are bold, decisive, and extremely intuitive
These guys.... Make impossible possible
Awwww sheeet. Been watching yall vida back to back this week. Glad to see a new one. Yall are always asking the important questions. Lmao
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I bet if you took a few minutes to hone the cylinders to help the new rings seat better along with fitting oil rings in the 2nd & 3rd ring groves & a compression ring in the top grove that would be an ideal setup to get a lot more life out of a worn motor that otherwise needed a rebore with new pistons.
But you did a great job trying something that’s not been done before that I know of so keep up the good work & trying different automotive projects to fix everyday car issues.
Happy Motoring from Scott from the USA.
Good work guys. Your channel always gives me a good laugh. You come up with some absolutely crazy stuff.
06:57 "I put a bit on with my finger"
Alot of that could be valve stem oil seals aswel??? What about 1 compression ring like some racing 2stroke engines so there's compression and 2 oil scraper rings
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I love your videos you guys always do a great job ! And hats off to all the mechanic, they do an excellent job fixing things that are not in the best shape .😊
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How about making an opposed piston, opposed cylinder engine? 2 pistons per cylinder and 2 crankshafts. Stack 2 short blocks together, and make it 2 cycle. Make one crankshaft lead the other by 23 degrees to improve scavenging. Beware of Pascal's Law: you cannot compress a liquid, so don't flood the engine with fuel.
just more good fun you guys know how to turn a dirty job into interesting work . its a blessing just to watch you guys work your magic . kudos again.
The oil rings also spacer rings , and holes in the piston are designed to do both, remove excess oil, as well as hold oil to lube the cylinders
You should try taking out the wavy ring in between the oil rings and using all thin oil rings to fill in the ring space and see how it works even use the thin ones for the compression rings that would be like 20 rings on each piston lol
In the u.s.a. lot of used car dealerships will have a mechanic that does something like that a lot of other tricks like that to make a car that isn't going to last very long seem like it's going to last a while what the what helps stop it from burning as much oil there's always a underlying problem it doesn't get fixed
This channel is the best..
These guys got a lot to learn about engines.
hahaha, that car is cool when i saw again in the intro.
Some cool shots.
I enjoy this channel so much
Those cylinder walls were a mess , should have been honed if not bored! Scratches and grooves won’t seal even with 5 oil rings..
I’ve know machinists to run no oil rings with just 2 low tension compression rings and not smoke!
Always interesting to watch your experiments
Please can we see the voice behind the narration His voice is so mesmerizing. And he deserves some real good attention 👌👍😊
We hear a narrator, not the camera guy. Pretty sure the camera guy is also russian like the rest of the crew. This channel is russian videos narrated for english speaking audiences by BMI Russia.
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Two oil rings and top compression ring should do the trick
Maybe put oil controll rings in the two bottom groves of the piston and drill the holes they need to get rid of the oil. Then leave the top compression ring in place and make another grove in the piston for a second compression ring between the top of the piston and the original first ring grove. There is some space there for another ring. That might solve the smoking and the blowby issue.
I'm waiting for these guys to accidentally build a UFO that has a flux capacitor 😂😂😂👍👍👍
Idea: can you make a rolling woodworking shop? A sawblade or a bandsaw on the driveshaft. A chute in the bottom to use the road as a belt sander. Knock together some simple wooden thing on the move.
Those oil rings will lose tension over time cause they can’t handle the pressures from combustion. That’s why compression rings are different materials.
The secondary ring is a scraper and that’s usually the one responsible for smoke or scratches and deformations in the cylinder wall.
At 4 minutes. I'm guessing there will be no compression at all. I'm curious though if they will hold for long enough for the piston compression to actually break the rings.
at least 1 compression ring would have probably been a good idea. :D
These engines don't make any power, though 😂
Love this show, wish I was at you're shop too
Do pt.2 of driving a car with no differential fluid to see how long till the actual bearings of the differential will go till it breaks! This time let both wheels spin
Love your work, fellas. Your imagination knows no bounds :)
Maybe try machining a set of pistons to fit two compression rings in one groove.
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Real nice La you’ve got there
Video’s announcement picture looks like a new Range Rover front grille
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cleaner but more drag friction = 0 net gain at best right?
Perfect timing....i was wondering about how this would work.....i'm looking at using half the cylinders of an engine as a vacuum pump driven by the other cylinders running as normal.....this means that the cylinders working as the vacuum pump need extra oil rings to prevent the crankcase oil getting sucked up into the cylinders.....i was actually wondering about how 2 oil rings and one compression ring would work
MUCH BETTER.
You've lowered global temperatures 2 degrees with that smoke ^^
Awesome video,, and a very interesting experiment. I've always been curious about how well this would work.👍👍👍👍
You guys are really funny crazy. LOL a cutaway model.
Gas porting pistons ( drilling holes in the piston ringlands to enhance sealing ) is a common practice for race engines.
White smoke means seal leak, rings probably created a new problem while the rebuild/gasket fixed the original
I like how 2 minutes of the video is no longer spent shilling merch or the drifting channel.
Who was playing the guitar on 5:00 that was mint
Howabout adding oil rings to the compression rings, to make a zero gap ring!
unironically the hardest intro i’ve seen
You can hear the piston slap 😂
I'm sure a car been sold with only oil rings 😂
Very successful !
theres lads always put a smile on my face !
Gran turismo weight reduction stage 3 at home be like:
Valve guide seals and cylinder wear. def gonna smoke a bit.
Can you guys make valve without spring. Like rotary valve
You should try put several catalyc on exhaust after this.
Damn, that thing smokes like a Trabant.
Place a candle in the exhaust to make flames
interesting - I never would have thought of that
That looks like the pistons from the one they put the ball bearings in.
Don't worry guys it's not burning oil it's just a two-stroke
Idea here. go back and revisit combining multiple lada engines into one, but instead of making one big inline engine, make a U8 .
A quick hone would have been better, the rings had no chance to seat.
Can you try with no rings? I think the engine would not even start but who knows..
Please make triangle pistons and 'cylinders'. Round stuf has more material to wear than a other shape like a triangle.
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Race each other to strip and fully rebuild a lads engine.. from running...back to running 😊
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You guys should go to bonneville and try to set a speed record with a lada!
Would've been interesting if you could find or manufacture oil rings that would fit the compression ring grooves so you wouldn't even need to machine the piston!
I need this for my 1.8TSI
can you try putting a torque convertor into a manual transmission
This actually works pretty well. At least on heavy equipment. I've driven a front loader that had that. At first it was a bit strange, but soon you learned to love it. Thing is you can pop the clutch while standing still and nothing happens other than the engine RPM going down slightly. Let go of the brake and the machine will start moving. For low speed maneuvering you moderate speed with the brakes and never touch the clutch. For a front loader this was just about perfect. Another thing is that it didn't have a reverse gear. Instead there were a separate gear for selecting back or forward without touching the main gearbox. With the torque converter switching from forward to reverse was very quick and seamless. With the way you work with a front loader there's about as much going backwards as going forward, so this was second only to a fully hydraulic transmission or possibly a electric drive system.
So yes, a torque converter is an interesting addition to a car.
Oh and with enough engine it's all you need, at least according to Koenigsegg who showed off a hyper car where they skipped the common gearbox, only retaining forward and reverse, and used a massive torque converter. Well that was with a 1100 HP engine so not necessarily the same as putting one on a clapped out Lada...
wow thanks for the reply what you have said sounds really cool. I'm a mechanic rn and have always wondered if it would just become kind of like a sequential where no clutch is needed. I hope they do it lol@@blahorgaslisk7763
How long will oil rings take the compression? Great video!