Who Was the First Muslim? (Top Quran Contradiction Explained)
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- I've probably asked hundreds of Muslims one simple question: "who was the first Muslim?" Not one has ever even attempted to answer me, and it's not hard to see why: the Quran gives four different answers and the hadith add several more. However, as is often the case, the Christians are ready to "rescue" Islam by providing what is forbidden in Islam: critical thought. Mary Harb joins me live to try and make sense of the Quran's confused words as we continue our look into the life of Muhammad.
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Contradiction who is first Mo-Slim?
1. Moses is the first Mo-Slim
Surah Al-A'raf 7:143
When Moses came at the appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he asked, “My Lord! Reveal Yourself to me so I may see You.” Allah answered, “You cannot see Me! But look at the mountain. If it remains firm in its place, only then will you see Me.” When his Lord appeared to the mountain, He levelled it to dust and Moses collapsed unconscious. When he recovered, he cried, “Glory be to You! I turn to You in repentance and I am the first of the believers.”
وَلَمَّا جَآءَ مُوسَىٰ لِمِيقَـٰتِنَا وَكَلَّمَهُۥ رَبُّهُۥ قَالَ رَبِّ أَرِنِىٓ أَنظُرْ إِلَيْكَ ۚ قَالَ لَن تَرَىٰنِى وَلَـٰكِنِ ٱنظُرْ إِلَى ٱلْجَبَلِ فَإِنِ ٱسْتَقَرَّ مَكَانَهُۥ فَسَوْفَ تَرَىٰنِى ۚ فَلَمَّا تَجَلَّىٰ رَبُّهُۥ لِلْجَبَلِ جَعَلَهُۥ دَكًّۭا وَخَرَّ مُوسَىٰ صَعِقًۭا ۚ فَلَمَّآ أَفَاقَ قَالَ سُبْحَـٰنَكَ تُبْتُ إِلَيْكَ وَأَنَا۠ أَوَّلُ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ ١٤٣
2. Abraham is the first Mo-Slim
Surah Al-Baqarah 2:132
This was the advice of Abraham-as well as Jacob-to his children, ˹saying˺, “Indeed, Allah has chosen for you this faith; so do not die except in ˹a state of full˺ submission.”
وَوَصَّىٰ بِهَآ إِبْرَٰهِـۧمُ بَنِيهِ وَيَعْقُوبُ يَـٰبَنِىَّ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ ٱصْطَفَىٰ لَكُمُ ٱلدِّينَ فَلَا تَمُوتُنَّ إِلَّا وَأَنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ ١٣٢
3. Mo the Pedo is the first Mo-Slim
Surah Az-Zumar 39:12
"And I am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam."
وَأُمِرْتُ لِأَنْ أَكُونَ أَوَّلَ ٱلْمُسْلِمِينَ ١٢
And I am commanded to be the first of those who submit ˹to His Will˺.”
Thanks for the concise answer. Very helpful!
And mo-slim says there is no contradiction.
Who will be the last Muslim ? A title for a future episode.
Amen! Great comment.
Great idea! Will the last Muslim leaving Mecca please turn off the lights?
From, Islamqa Du’a for Entering Toilet: Why?
Du’a when entering the toilet: Why?
The scholars have stated that the reason why it is mustahabb to seek refuge with Allah when entering the bathroom is to seek protection with Him from the devils that frequent places where there are impurities and where ‘awrahs are uncovered. There are ahadith which indicate that.
Zayd ibn Arqam (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “These toilets are haunted (inhabited by devils), so when anyone of you goes to the toilet let him say, ‘A’udhu Billahi min al-khubthi wa’l-khabaith (I seek refuge with Allah from the male and female devils).” (Narrated by Abu Dawud, 6; classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih Abi Dawud)
Al-Hattab said: These places are singled out for seeking protection with Allah for two reasons:
Because they are toilets, and by Allah’s will the devils dominate toilets.
The toilet is a filthy place where one should not verbally remember Allah, so the shaytan takes advantage if one does not remember Him, because remembrance of Allah drives him away. So the command to seek refuge with Allah before that means that one will be protected from the shaytan until he comes out. End quote.
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymin (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Sharh al-Mumti’ (1/83):
The purpose of this seeking refuge is to seek protection with Allah against al-khubthi wa’l-khabaith (the male and female devils) because this is an evil and unclean place (khabith), and the place that is khabith is the abode of al-khubthi wa’l-khabaith (the male and female devils). So it is appropriate when wanting to enter the toilet to say: A’udhu Billahi min al-khubthi wa’l-khabaith (I seek refuge Allah from the male and female devils), so that no khubth (evil) or khabaith (evil spirits) will affect him. End quote.
This reason dictates that the Muslim should always seek refuge with Allah every time he enters the toilet, whether he intends to relieve himself or he is entering for some other purpose for which people use bathrooms nowadays, such as cleaning and so on. Thus the Muslim will protect himself from the harm of the devils.
It says in al-Mughni (1/190):
“Ahmad said: He should say when entering the toilet: A’udhu Billahi min al-khubthi wa’l-khabaith (I seek refuge with Allah from the male and female devils). I never entered the place for doing wudu without saying it but something I disliked happened to me.”
Regarding Musaylimah, my post, A Musaylima Verse
Musaylima 'the Liar' was one of a number of 'prophets' operating in 7th Century Arabia. One of his verses goes:
لقد أنعم الله على الحبلى
أخرج منها نسمة تسعى
من بين صفاق وحشى
"Allah has been gracious to the pregnant woman;
He has brought forth from her a living being that can move;
from her very midst."
The Challenge - Musaylima
My post, The Lizard
It was narrated from Umm Sharik that the Prophet (ﷺ) told her to kill house lizards.
[ibnmajah:3228]
It was narrated from ‘Aishah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said concerning house lizards:
“Vermin.”
[ibnmajah:3230]
It was narrated from Sa’ibah, the freed slave woman of Fakih bin Mughirah, that she entered upon ‘Aishah and saw a spear in her house. She said:
“O Mother of the Believers, what do you do with this?” She said: “We kill these house lizards with it, for the Prophet of Allah (ﷺ) told us that when Ibrahim was thrown into the fire, there was no beast on earth that did not try to put it out, apart from the house lizard that blew on it. So the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) commanded that they should be killed.”
[ibnmajah:3231]
Why should a lizard be killed for what its ancestor supposedly did? Does it bear its ancestor's sin?
Abraham and the Flame of the Chaldeans: How the Quran Turns a Fable into Reality
It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“Whoever kills a house lizard with one blow will have such and such a reward. Whoever kills it with two blows will have such and such a reward,” less than the first. “And whoever kills it with three blows will have such and such reward,” less than that mentioned the second time.
[ibnmajah:3229]
For a lizard used as food, see: A Brief Look at Food
Compare the Queen of Sheba's thinking that there was a pool before her in S 27 with Legends of the Jews Vol. IV Ch. V
Benaiah conducted the queen to Solomon, who had gone to sit in a house of glass to receive her. The queen was deceived by an illusion. She thought the king was sitting in water, and as she stepped across to him she raised her garment to keep it dry. On her bared feet the king noticed hair, and he said to her: "Thy beauty is the beauty of a woman, but thy hair is masculine; hair is an ornament to a man, but it disfigures a woman."
Another very informative video! It was unfortunate that the last third was almost inaudible.
My post, Hanif
From Answering Islam:
HANIF
A Syriac word (hanpe/hanfe) meaning renegade. The word "Hanif" occurs 12 times in the Qur'an, where Abraham is looked upon as a model of "Hannifaya". According to Âl 'Imran 3:67, he is neither Jew nor Christian. Arab poets of pre-Islamic days used the term "Hanif" for a pagan or idolator. Even Muslim scholars recognized that the word is foreign. Masaudi in "Tanbih" says it is Syriac. The Syriac Christians used it as an equivalent of the pagan, or for non-Trinitarian heretics, eg. Arians. During the early days of Islam, the followers of the prophet prefered not to call themselves "Hunafa", and chose to use Muslim instead.
Four Hanifs were mentioned by ibn Ishaq, a famous biographer of Muhammad: Waraqa b. Naufal, Ubaidullah b. Jash, Uthamn b. al-Huwayrith and Zaid b. Amr.
One day when the Quraysh had assembled on a feast day to venerate and circumambulate the idol to which they offered sacrifices, this being a feast which they held annually, four men drew apart secretly and agreed to keep their counsel in the bonds of friendship. They were Waraqa b.Naufal, Ubaydullah b.Jahsh, whose mother was Umayma d.'Abdu'l Muttalib, Uthman b.al-Huwayrith and Zayd b.'Amr. They were of the opinion that their people had corrupted the religion of their father Abraham, and that the stone they went round was of no account, it could neither hear nor see, nor hurt nor help. ``Find yourselves a religion,'' they said, ``for by God you have none.'' So they went their ways seeking the ``Hanaffiya'' -- the religion of Abraham." (Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad, tr. Guillaume, p. 99)
It is interesting that these four monotheists did not believe in the pagan ritual of circumabulating the Ka'aba. The ritual was later adopted by the Muslims.
Richard Bell makes an interesting suggestion regarding the puzzling question of the identity of the hanifs in his article Who were the Hanifs? Comparative Index to Islam : HANIF
S 2:135 And they said: Be Jews or Nasara, to be guided. Say: No, the cult of Ibrahim, a Hanif. And he was not of the mushrikun.
S 3:67 Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Nasrani but a Hanif, a Muslim, and was not of the mushrikun.
S 3:95 Say: Allah has told the truth so follow the cult of Ibrahim a Hanif. And he was not of the mushrikun.
S 4:125 And who is better in religion than he who has surrendered his face to Lah and he is a good-doer and has followed the cult of Ibrahim a Hanif? And Allah took Ibrahim as a friend.
S 6:79 I have turned my face to the one who ripped apart the skies and the Earth, a Hanif, and I am not of the mushrikun.
S 6:161 Say: I, my lord has guided me to a straight path, a worthy religion, the cult of Ibrahim, a Hanif. And he was not of the mushrikun.
S 10:105 And: Direct your face to the religion as a Hanif and do not be of the mushrikun.
S 16:120 Ibrahim was a nation, obedient to Lah, a Hanif, and was not of the mushrikun.
S 16:123 Then we inspired you: Follow the cult of Ibrahim, a Hanif. And he was not of the mushrikun.
S 30:30 So set your face to the Hanif religion. Allah’s fitrah which he has split people on. There is no change to Allah’s creation. That is the worthy religion but most people do not know.
See my post: [does-allah-call-jews-mushrikun]
Now in all of these passages the word is spelt with a final alif 'A'. As it stands it would suggest the word in the accusative case. The true form of the word is Hanif, not 'Hanifa'. Did the author find this form in a book translated from Syriac?
The plural is found in:
S 22:31 Hunafa to Lah, not associating with him. And he who associates with Allah, it is as though he has fallen from the sky and the bird has seized him or the wind blows him to a distant place.
S 98:5 And they were not commanded but to worship Allah, sincere towards him in the religion, Hunafa, and to perform salat and to give the zakat. And that is the religion of the valuable thing.
My post, Qiblah Verses
S 2:142 The fools of the people will say: What has turned them from their qiblah which they used to be on? Say: Lah’s is the rising place and the setting place. He guides whom he wills to a straight path.
A straight path? How many straight paths are there?
Straight Path
Allah's Path is a Rectum?
S 2:143 And thus we have made you a middle nation that you may be witnesses over people and that the messenger may be a witness over you. And we have not made the qiblah which you were on except that we might know who follows the messenger from him who turns on his heels. And it was an enormity except for those whom Allah had guided. And Allah was not to waste your faith. Allah is kind, merciful to people.
S 2:144 It may be we see the turning of your face to the sky so we turn you to a qiblah that you will be pleased with. So turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque and wherever you are turn your faces towards it. And those who were given the Book know that it is the truth from their lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.
Snatch
The Change of the Qiblah
S 2:145 Even if you had brought those who had been given the Book all signs, they would not have followed your qiblah and you are not a follower of their qiblah. And they are not a follower of each other’s qiblah. And if you followed their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would then be of the wrongdoers.
Christians have a qiblah?
Further reading: Abraham, Mecca and the Qibla: Revisiting the Incompleteness and Incoherence of the Quran
My post, Who Was the First Kafir?
S 2:34 And when we said to the angels: Do sujud to Adam, they did sujud except Iblis. He refused and was arrogant and was of the kafirun.
We are told that Iblis was of the kafirun (kuffar). But this is immediately after Adam's creation. Iblis was apparently not the first kafir and certainly not the only kafir at the time.
In the following verse, are we to understand that there were 'wrongdoers' in existence at the time?
And we said: Adam, dwell, you and your husband, in the Jannah and eat of it carefree where you have willed. But do not approach this tree so you be of the wrongdoers.
Wife or Husband?
Compare S 2:34 with S 6:14.
Say: Is it other than Allah that I should take as a protector, the splitter of the skies and the Earth, and he feeds and is not fed? Say: I have been commanded to be the first of those who have surrendered and you are not to be of the mushrikun.
Iblis was of the kafirun; Allah's boss was not to be of the mushrikun. It will not be argued that the latter was not to be of the mushrikun who might be around in the future; they were (supposedly) around then.
S 7:11 And we created you then we formed you. Then we said to the angels: Do sujud to Adam. So they did sujud except Iblis. He was not of those who did sujud.
Iblis was of the kafirun; he was not of those who did sujud. Would 'those who did sujud', namely the angels, refer to those in the future, or would they have been present at the time?
The Angels Commanded to Do Sujud and Iblis’ Refusal
My post, The First Muslim
S 6:14 Say: Is it other than Allah that I should take as a protector, the splitter of the skies and the Earth, and he feeds and is not fed? Say: I have been commanded to be the first of those who have surrendered and you are not to be of the mushrikun.
S 6:163 No partner has he. And with that have I been commanded and I am the first of the Muslims.
S 39:12 And I have been commanded to be the first of the Muslims.
So the founder of Islam is the first Muslim. But in different places he has Muslims before his time.
S 3:67 Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Nasrani but a Hanif, a Muslim, and was not of the mushrikun.
Quran Contradiction: Who Was the First Muslim?
Hanif
From, Quran Contradiction: Who Was the First Muslim?
According to several passages in the Quran, Muhammad was the first Muslim:
Say: Shall I choose for a protecting friend other than Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, Who feedeth and is never fed? Say: I am ordered to be the first to surrender [aslama] (unto Him). And be not thou (O Muhammad) of the idolaters. S. 6:14 Pickthall
Say, verily my Lord hath directed me into a right way, a true religion, the sect of Abraham the orthodox; and he was no idolater. Say, verily my prayers, and my worship, and my life, and my death are dedicated unto God, the Lord of all creatures: He hath no companion. This have I been commanded: I am the first Moslem (Wa 'Ana 'Awwalu Al-Muslimin). S. 6:161-163 Sale
He hath no associate. This am I commanded, and I am the first of the Muslims. S. 6:163 Rodwell
Say (O Muhammad): Lo! I am commanded to worship Allah, making religion pure for Him (only). And I am commanded to be the first of those who are muslims (surrender unto Him). S. 39:11-12 Pickthall
This is contradicted by both the Quran and various Islamic traditions which refer to the presence of true believers both before and during Muhammad’s alleged "call" to prophethood. The Quran mentions that Adam, Noah, the Patriarchs, the twelve tribes of Israel, Moses, Jesus etc., were all believers and many of them even messengers who lived a long time before Muhammad:
Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."… And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith. We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."… When learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. S. 2:30, 34-35, 37
We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. S. 4:163
We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny, David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good: S. 6:84
And when Ibrahim and Ismail raised the foundations of the House: Our Lord! accept from us; surely Thou art the Hearing, the Knowing: Our Lord! and make us both submissive (muslimayni) to Thee and (raise) from our offspring a nation submitting (ommatan muslimatan) to Thee, and show us our ways of devotion and turn to us (mercifully), surely Thou art the Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful. Our Lord! and raise up in them an Apostle from among them who shall recite to them Thy communications and teach them the Book and the wisdom, and purify them; surely Thou art the Mighty, the Wise. And who forsakes the religion of Ibrahim but he who makes himself a fool, and most certainly We chose him in this world, and in the hereafter he is most surely among the righteous. When his Lord said to him, Be a Muslim (aslim), he said: I submit myself (aslamtu) to the Lord of the worlds. And the same did Ibrahim enjoin on his sons and (so did) Yaqoub. O my sons! surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith, therefore die not unless you are Muslims (illa waantum muslimoona). Nay! were you witnesses when death visited Yaqoub, when he said to his sons: What will you serve after me? They said: We will serve your God and the God of your fathers, Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq, one God only, and to Him do we submit (wanahnu lahu muslimoona). S. 2:127-133 Shakir
When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims. S. 3:52
Ibrahim was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was (an) upright (man), a Muslim (musliman), and he was not one of the polytheists. S. 3:67 Shakir
They are not all alike; of the followers of the Book there is an upright party; they recite Allah's communications in the nighttime and they adore (Him). They believe in Allah and the last day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and they strive with one another in hastening to good deeds, and those are among the good. And whatever good they do, they shall not be denied it, and Allah knows those who guard (against evil). S. 3:113-115 Shakir
Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’ And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger: they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims.’" S. 5:110-111
Lo! it is from Solomon, and lo! it is: In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful; Exalt not yourselves against me, but come unto me as those who surrender (muslimeena). ... So, when she came, it was said (unto her): Is thy throne like this? She said: (It is) as though it were the very one. And (Solomon said): We were given the knowledge before her and we had surrendered (wakunna muslimeena) (to Allah). ... It was said unto her: Enter the hall. And when she saw it she deemed it a pool and bared her legs. (Solomon) said: Lo! it is a hall, made smooth, of glass. She said: My Lord! Lo! I have wronged myself, and I surrender (aslamtu) with Solomon unto Allah, the Lord of the Worlds. S. 27:30-31, 42, 44 Pickthall
Apart from various groups being called guided, having the right faith, or even having been given inspiration, we have at least Abraham and the disciples of Jesus being explicitly called Muslims (3:52, 67, 5:111). Certainly both Abraham and the disciples of Jesus lived long before Muhammad.
In fact, the Quran claims that all believers were essentially Muslims:
And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer, give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help! S. 22:78
Would that not qualify them as being Muslims and believers even before Muhammad? Certainly, this would make Adam the first believer, the first Muslim, wouldn’t it?
Excursus:
The Quran says that every person is created in a natural state of religion, which the hadith interprets as Islam. In other words, every human being is born Muslim!
Then set your face upright for religion in the right state -- the nature made by Allah in which He has made men; there is no altering of Allah's creation; that is the right religion, but most people do not know -- S. 30:30 Shakir
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Every child is born with a true faith of Islam (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism, Christianity or Magianism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verses: "The pure Allah's Islamic nature (true faith of Islam) (i.e. worshipping none but Allah) with which He has created human beings. No change let there be in the religion of Allah (i.e. joining none in worship with Allah). That is the straight religion (Islam) but most of men know, not." (30.30) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 441)
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Every child is born with a true faith of Islam (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) and his parents convert him to Judaism or Christianity or Magianism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 467)
Again, doesn’t this show that every person who lived before Muhammad was already a Muslim, at least for some time, even though many of them may have deviated from the path later on?
From, Allah, his messengers, and their language
The Qur'an makes the following general statement about the way Allah communicates:
And We have sent no Messenger
save with the tongue of his people,
that he might make all clear to them;
then God leads astray whomsoever He will,
and He guides whomsoever He will;
and He is the All-mighty, the All-wise. S. 14:4 Arberry
This paper has the purpose to examine some aspects of this verse that are usually overlooked. The classical commentator Ibn Kathir states in his exposition of this verse: "This is from Allah's wisdom with His creation, every Prophet He sent to a people spoke their language and everyone of these Prophets were only sent to their people. Muhammad ... was sent to all people." It is my intention to show that this interpretation is not as obvious and straight-forward as it may initially appear.
In order to better understand the issues involved, let us transform the statement regarding the characteristics of Allah's messengers into the form of a first-person speech, i.e. how one such messenger would explain to the people why he is sent to them in the way specified in this verse. Pay attention to the pronouns.
I am sent to you
with the language of my people
so that they can clearly understand.
Does that seem satisfactory? Hardly. What about this version:
I am sent to you
with the language of my people
so that you can clearly understand.
Does that sound better? Not really. In order to make sense, the messenger should say:
I am sent to you
with a message in your language
so that you can clearly understand.
But that last version is not the equivalent of what is stated in Sura 14:4. The formulation that is found in the Quran is rather strange and incoherent, and says something different.
{ Side remark: There is another strange feature in this verse. Just about everyone has the language of his people, i.e. his own language, with him wherever he goes. For that purpose one doesn't have to be specifically sent by God. A messenger is not sent with a language, but with a message (that is formulated) in a certain language. In fact, the messenger doesn't have to bring his language to his people, because it already is their language. Someone who brings a language to people who don't know this language yet, is not a messenger but a language teacher. Be that as it may, for the rest of the discussion, we will assume that the author of the Quran meant to say "with a message in the language of his people" when he used the deficient formulation "with the language of his people". }
Any event of communication has the following elements:
WHO (1): The speaker or sender of the message
WHO (2): The recipient of the message, the target audience
WHAT: The message (content)
HOW: The means by which the message is conveyed
(1) direct personal encounter and communication ("face to face"),
by personal messenger with an oral or written message (envoy, ambassador),
sending a letter by postal service, making a phone call, an email,
newspaper advert, on a billboard, via radio or tv broadcast, etc.
(2) the language in which the message is delivered (though it may have been composed in a different language and then translated)
Whatever means [HOW (1)] are employed to transport the message from the sender to the recipient, the message will only be understood if it is delivered in a/the language of the recipient [HOW (2)].
With this analytic structure in mind, let us look again at the verse in question:
And We have sent no Messenger
save with the tongue of his people,
that he might make all clear to them; ...
In S. 14:4, the Quran specifies that the sender [WHO (1)] is Allah ("We"), the means [HOW (1)] is by personal messenger, and [HOW (2)] is the language of the people of the messenger.
However, this last piece of the specification is rather strange. Since the Quran agrees that the purpose of sending the messenger is that the message is clearly understood ("that he might make all clear to them"), the message needs to be delivered in the language of the people to whom the messenger is sent, not the language of the people the messenger belongs to.
A messenger is associated with two groups, (a) the people he belongs to (i.e. his people) and (b) the people he is sent to. These two groups of people may or may not be the same. If the message should be understood, it needs to be in the language of the people that the message is delivered to. That is always necessary. This may also be the language of the people whom the messenger belongs to, but that is only incidental, not essential. As such, the Quran includes in its specification something that is irrelevant, but forgets the most important condition for achieving its stated purpose.
Note also that an individual messenger may well be multi-lingual, i.e. able to speak several languages fluently, but only one of these languages will be "the language of his people". Thus, even if the messenger was able to speak various languages, Sura 14:4 is clearly restricting the messenger to speak only the language of the people he belongs to when delivering the message that he is sent with. Frankly, this makes little sense.
How then should we view the first statement of S. 14:4? There are at least these two possibilities.
The first one is that the author of the Quran messed up in the formulation. He really wanted to say:
And We have sent no Messenger
save with the tongue of the people he is sent to,
that he might make all clear to them; ...
Such a statement would merely be common sense. That is what one would expect. It would not be in any way surprising, let alone a miraculous revelation. No, one does not need "divine wisdom" to arrive at such an action plan (see the commentary of Ibn Kathir above). Anyone with an average intelligence would do the same. One could even say that such a statement would be trivial. But at least it would not cause all the problems which S. 14:4 is causing (see below).
Actually, it is only one little pronoun that needs to be changed to save that verse from the massive problems it causes.
And We have sent no Messenger
save with the tongue of the people,
that he might make all clear to them; ...
i.e. saying "... save with the tongue of THE people" instead of "save with the tongue of HIS people" would be sufficient to make the statement at least ambiguous (which people?). The natural interpretation would then have been that "the people" refers to the people the messenger is sent to, and the last pronoun, "them", naturally refers back to "the people".
Maybe the composer of the Quran was so engrossed in getting right the rhyme and the rhythm, that this little detail simply slipped his mind?
Obviously, that interpretation is not an option for Muslims. They have to believe the Quran to be without error since it is coming from the perfect and omniscient God. They need to make sense of the statement without changing it.
The verse states explicitly that
every messenger was sent with his own language,
this was in order that they may clearly understand.
The only meaningful way to understand this verse and fulfill both stated conditions, is to assume that all messengers were sent to their own people. In that case, the target audience can clearly understand when the messenger speaks in his own language.
Again, this is not stated explicitly, it is an attempt to understand the statement in a way that makes it meaningful and avoids turning it into immediate nonsense. Thus, it is no surprise that the Islamic commentators understood it in exactly that way. Again, Ibn Kathir's explanation: "... every Prophet He sent to a people spoke their language and everyone of these Prophets were only sent to their people." However, Ibn Kathir used a more meaningful formulation than the Qur'an when he states that the Prophet spoke their language, while the Qur'an claims that he spoke his own language. So far, so good. It is certainly possible to understand S. 14:4 in this way when taken in isolation.
Apparently Allah forbids speaking louder when the other party can't hear you.
My post, Now I'm a Believer
The Quran says that Allah is a believer.
S 59:23 He is Allah, who is no god but him, the king, the holy one, the peace, the believer, the dominant, the mighty, the tyrant, the arrogant. Praise be to Allah from what they associate!
If 'believer' is synonymous with 'Muslim', is Allah a Muslim?
Translation and Meaning of جبار
Translation and Meaning of متكبر
Al-Mutakabbir
My post, Fir'awn's Family
It seems very likely that the author thought that Fir'awn (Pharaoh) was a proper name.
S 2:49 And when we saved you from Fir’awn’s family afflicting you with the evil of torture, slaughtering your sons and letting your women live. And in that there is a great affliction from your lord.
S 2:50 And when we parted the sea for you we saved you and drowned Fir’awn’s family while you look.
S 3:11 Like the custom of Fir’awn’s family and those before them, they called our verses a lie so Allah took them for their sins. And Allah is severe in punishment.
S 7:130 And we took Fir’awn’s family with the years and the shortage of fruits; perhaps they will remember.
S 7:141 And when we saved you from Fir’awn’s family, afflicting you with the evil of torture, massacring your sons and letting your women live. And in that there is a great affliction from your lord.
S 8:52 Like the habitude of Fir’awn’s family and those before them. They disbelieved in Allah’s verses so Allah took them for their sins. Allah is strong and the severe in punishment.
S 8:54 Like the habitude of Fir’awn’s family and those before them. They called their lord’s verses a lie so we destroyed them for their sins and we drowned Fir’awn’s family and all were wrongdoers.
S 14:6 And when Musa said to his people: Remember Allah’s grace upon you when he saved you from Fir’awn’s family, imposing the evil of torture upon you and slaughtering your sons and letting your women live. And in that is a great affliction from your lord.
S 28:8 Then Fir’awn’s family picked him up that he might be an enemy and a grief to them. Fir’awn and Haman and their troops were sinners.
Compare with:
S 2:248 And their prophet said to them: A sign of his kingship is that the Ark will come to you. Therein is a Shekhinah from your lord and a remnant of what Musa’s family and Harun’s family left, the angels carrying it. In that there is a sign for you if you are believers.
S 3:33 Allah chose Adam and Nuh and Ibrahim’s family and Imran’s family over the ‘alamin.
S 4:54 Or do they envy people for what Allah has given them from his favour? But we gave Ibrahim’s family the Book and the Wisdom and we gave them a great dominion.
S 12:6 And thus does your lord choose you and teach you of the interpretation of the ahadith and complete his grace upon you and upon Ya’qub’s family as he completed it upon your two fathers before, Ibrahim and Ishaq. Your lord is learned, wise.
S 15:59 Except Lut’s family. We are saving them all
S 15:61 And when the commissaries came to Lut’s family.
S 19:6 Inheriting me and inheriting from Ya’qub’s family. And make him, lord, pleasing.
S 20:40 When your sister walks and says: Shall I direct you to him who vouches for it? So we returned you to your mother that her eye might be cooled and not grieve. And you killed a soul but we saved you from sorrow and tried you with fascinations. Then you remained years among the family of Madyan. Then you came upon a fate, Musa.
S 27:56 But his people’s answer was nothing but that they said: Remove Lut’s family from your village. They are people who purify.
S 28:45 But we constructed centuries and he was long-lived over them. And you were not a thawi in Madyan’s family reading our verses to them but we were senders.
S 34:13 They make him what he wills of niches and statues and bowls and watering-troughs and fixed pots. Work, family of Dawud, in gratitude! But few of my slaves are the grateful.
People of Pharaoh or Family of Fir’awn?
Bravo! I have pointed out this massive Qur'anic contradiction to Muslims many times. All I get in response are crickets. No wonder all Muslims prefer attacking the Bible or the Trinity to discussing the Qur'an! The book is an incoherent, error-filled mess.
As quran says that Haman (from the Book of Esther) has troops along with Fir'awn, is he Fir'awn's equal? Does he have his own army?
My post, Allah Prays Passages
S 2:157 Those, for them are prayers from their lord and mercy. And those are the guided.
S 33:43 He is the one who prays for you and his angels to bring you out of the darknesses into the light and he was merciful to the believers.
S 33:56 Allah and his angels pray for the prophet. Those who have believed, pray for him and salute him.
Further reading:
Ibn Al Kathir commentary for verses 2.155-157
Altafsir .com - The Tafsirs - التفاسير Arabic
Examining Islam's Teaching that Allah Prays and Worships
Turning the Tables Pt. 1c
My post, The Angels Commanded to Do Sujud and Iblis’ Refusal
S 2:34 And when we said to the angels: Do sujud to Adam, they did sujud except Iblis. He refused and was arrogant and was of the kafirun.
S 7:11 And we created you then we formed you. Then we said to the angels: Do sujud to Adam. So they did sujud except Iblis. He was not of those who did sujud.
S 15:29-31 So when I have smoothed him and blown into him from my spirit fall down to him doing sujud. So the angels did sujud all of them together, Except Iblis. He refused to be with those doing sujud.
S 17:61 And when we said to the angels: Do sujud to Adam, they did sujud, except Iblis. He said: Am I to do sujud to one you have created as clay?
S 18:50 And when we said to the angels: Do sujud to Adam. So they did sujud except Iblis. He was of the jinn. And he acted immorally against his lord’s command. So do you take him and his offspring as protectors instead of me when they are an enemy to you? Miserable was an exchange for the wrongdoers.
S 20:116 And when we said to the angels: Do sujud to Adam, they did sujud, except Iblis; he refused.
S 38:71-75 When your lord said to the angels: I am creating a man from clay. So when I have smoothed him and blown into him from my spirit then fall down to him doing sujud. So the angels did sujud, all of them together. Except Iblis; he was arrogant and was of the kafirun. He said: Iblis, what prevented you from doing sujud to what I have created with my hands? Were you arrogant or were you of the exalted?
Let’s compare this with the Life of Adam and Eve:
xiv 1 And Michael went out and called all the angels saying:
'Worship the image of God as the Lord God hath commanded.'
And Michael himself worshipped first; then he called me and said: 'Worship the image of God
3 the Lord.' And I answered, 'I have no (need) to worship Adam.' And since Michael kept urging me to worship, I said to him, 'Why dost thou urge me? I will not worship an inferior and younger being (than I). I am his senior in the Creation, before he was made was I already made. It is his duty to worship me.' The Books of Adam and Eve
Further reading: The Prostration to Adam -- A Quranic Problem [Part 1]
From, Contradictions in the Qur'an: Messengers Were Sent Only to Their Own People? [1]
The following is a continuation of this article.
The Quran explicitly says that Allah never sent any messenger except to his own people speaking in their own language:
And We have sent NO Messenger save with the tongue of his people, that he might make all clear to them; then God leads astray whomsoever He will, and He guides whomsoever He will; and He is the All-mighty, the All-wise. S. 14:4
Noted exegete Ibn Kathir agrees that this is the meaning of the verse but tries to make an exception in the case of Muhammad:
Every Prophet was sent with the Language of His People; Guidance or Misguidance follows the Explanation
Allah is Kind and Compassionate with His creation, sending Messengers to them from among them and speaking their language, so that they are able to understand the Message that the Messengers were sent with. Allah said next…
after the proof and evidence have been established for the people, Allah misguides whom He wills from the path of guidance and guides whom He wills to the truth…
whatever He wills occurs and whatever He does not will never occurs…
in His decisions, misleading those who deserve to be misled and guiding those who deserve guidance. This is from Allah's wisdom with His creation, every Prophet He sent to a people spoke their language and everyone of these Prophets WERE ONLY SENT TO THEIR PEOPLE. Muhammad bin `Abdullah, Allah's Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him, was sent to all people. It is recorded in the Two Sahihs that Jabir said that the Messenger of Allah said…
[2]
By inspiration we told Moses: "Travel by night with my servants; for surely ye shall be pursued." Then Pharaoh sent heralds to (all) the Cities, (Saying): "These (Israelites) are but a small band, "And they are raging furiously against us; "But we are a multitude amply fore-warned." So We expelled them from gardens, springs, Treasures, and every kind of honourable position; Thus it was, but We made the Children of Israel inheritors of such things. So they pursued them at sunrise. And when the two bodies saw each other, the people of Moses said: "We are sure to be overtaken." (Moses) said: "By no means! my Lord is with me! Soon will He guide me!" Then We told Moses by inspiration: "Strike the sea with thy rod." So it divided, and each separate part became like the huge, firm mass of a mountain. And We made the other party approach thither. We delivered Moses and all who were with him; But We drowned the others. S. 26:52-66
A believer, a man from among the people of Pharaoh, who had concealed his faith, said: "Will ye slay a man because he says, 'My Lord is God'? - when he has indeed come to you with Clear (Signs) from your Lord? and if he be a liar, on him is (the sin of) his lie: but, if he is telling the Truth, then will fall on you something of the (calamity) of which he warns you: Truly God guides not one who transgresses and lies!... Then God saved him from (every) ill that they plotted (against him), but the burnt of the Penalty encompassed on all sides the People of Pharaoh. In front of the Fire will they be brought, morning and evening: And (the sentence will be) on the Day that Judgment will be established: "Cast ye the People of Pharaoh into the severest Penalty!" S. 40:28, 45-46
And Pharaoh proclaimed among his people, saying: "O my people! Does not the dominion of Egypt belong to me, (witness) these streams flowing underneath my (palace)? What! see ye not then? Am I not better than this (Moses), who is a contemptible wretch and can scarcely express himself clearly? Then why are not gold bracelets bestowed on him, or (why) come (not) with him angels accompanying him in procession?" Thus did he make fools of his people, and they obeyed him: truly were they a people rebellious (against God). When at length they provoked Us, We exacted retribution from them, and We drowned them ALL. S. 43:52-55 Y. Ali
See also the following: Q. 2:54, 60, 67; 5:20-21; 10:84-89; 7:141, 148, 150, 155, 159-160; 20:85-86, 90; 28:15; 61:5
Thus, the Quran denies that Pharaoh and the Egyptians were Moses’ people, Moses’ folk.
My post, Some Thoughts on Salla ‘Ala (‘Pray Upon’)
What might the Arabic صلى على ‘pray upon’ have signified at the time of composition of the Quran? In S 33:43 we read: He is the one who prays for you and his angels to bring you out of the darknesses into the light and he was merciful to the believers.
In S 33:56 we read: Allah and his angels pray for the prophet. Those who have believed, pray for him and salute him.
Did the author want the reader to understand that Allah would be standing on its boss? I suspect that a Syriac idiom, tzali ‘al, lies behind this expression. This can mean, according to my understanding, ‘pray for’ or ‘pray over’
In the Peshitta we read (Hebrews 13:18): ܨܠܘ ܥܠܝܢ ܬܟܝܠܝܢܢ ܓܝܪ ܕܬܐܪܬܐ ܛܒܬܐ ܐܝܬ ܠܢ ܕܒܟܠܡܕܡ ܨܒܝܢܢ ܕܫܦܝܪ ܢܬܕܒܪ ܀ tzalaw ‘alayn, pray for us. And in James 5:14 ܘܐܢ ܟܪܝܗ ܢܩܪܐ ܠܩܫܝܫܐ ܕܥܕܬܐ ܘܢܨܠܘܢ ܥܠܘܗܝ ܘܢܡܫܚܘܢܗ ܡܫܚܐ ܒܫܡܗ ܕܡܪܢ ܀ wa-ntzalon ‘alaw, and they will pray over him. Peshitta New Testament
So I understand that the author of the Quran meant ‘pray for’.
From, Qur'an Contradiction: Who Adopted Moses: Pharaoh’s Daughter or Pharaoh’s Wife?
According to the Holy Bible, when Pharaoh sought to slay all the Hebrew male babies God saved Moses by having Pharaoh’s daughter adopt the baby as her own child:
"Now a man from the house of Levi went and took as his wife a Levite woman. The woman conceived and bore a son, and when she saw that he was a fine child, she hid him three months. When she could hide him no longer, she took for him a basket made of bulrushes and daubed it with bitumen and pitch. She put the child in it and placed it among the reeds by the river bank. And his sister stood at a distance to know what would be done to him. Now the daughter of Pharaoh came down to bathe at the river, while her young women walked beside the river. She saw the basket among the reeds and sent her servant woman, and she took it. When she opened it, she saw the child, and behold, the baby was crying. She took pity on him and said, ‘This is one of the Hebrews' children.’ Then his sister said to Pharaoh's daughter, ‘Shall I go and call you a nurse from the Hebrew women to nurse the child for you?’ And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, ‘Go.’ So the girl went and called the child's mother. And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, ‘Take this child away and nurse him for me, and I will give you your wages.’ So the woman took the child and nursed him. When the child grew up, she brought him to Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. She named him Moses, ‘Because,’ she said, ‘I drew him out of the water.’" Exodus 2:1-10
"And after he had been set outside, Pharaoh's daughter took him away and nurtured him as her own son." Acts 7:21
The Quran comes over two thousand years later to contradict the earlier, historical accounts:
And We inspired the mother of Moses, saying: Suckle him and, when thou fearest for him, then cast him into the river and fear not nor grieve. Lo! We shall bring him back unto thee and shall make him (one) of Our messengers. And the family of Pharaoh took him up, that he might become for them an enemy and a sorrow, Lo! Pharaoh and Haman and their hosts were ever sinning. And the wife of Pharaoh said: (He will be) a consolation for me and for thee. Kill him not. Peradventure he may be of use to us, or we may choose him for a son. And they perceived not. S. 28:7-9 Pickthall
The Quran claims that Pharaoh’s wife, not his daughter, adopted Moses! Since the biblical position is that Moses wrote the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, who better than Moses to know who adopted him?
And since the Hebrew Bible was written much closer to the time this event took place, and since Moses was Israel’s redeemer who is revered by the Israelites, and since they would know their own history better than Muhammad and Muslims, and since the Quran tells believers to consult the Bible and the Jews for the details regarding their sacred history, or to confirm whether the Quran speaks the truth:
And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. S. 10:94
And certainly We gave Musa nine clear signs; so ask the children of Israel. When he came to them, Firon said to him: Most surely I deem you, O Musa, to be a man deprived of reason. S. 17:101 Shakir
And since the Quran also claims that Jesus confirmed the Hebrew Bible which he had in his possession:
He will teach him the scripture, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel."; … I confirm previous scripture - the Torah - and I revoke certain prohibitions imposed upon you. I come to you with sufficient proof from your Lord. Therefore, you shall observe GOD, and obey me. S. 3:47, 49 Khalifa
Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous. S. 5:46 Khalifa
And since we know what those Scriptures that Jesus confirmed were, being identical to what have in our possession today, we can therefore conclude that the Quran is in error and the Holy Bible is correct.
The toilet prayer of Allah's boss: It was narrated that Anas bin Malik said:
"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) entered Al-Khala' (the toilet) and said: 'Allahumma inni a'uthu bika min al-khubuthi wal-khaba'ith (O Allah, I seek refuge with You from male and female devils)."[1]
[1] See Ma'alam As-Sunan by Al-Khattabi. And Al-Khala' is the area one relieves oneself in. It refers to outside or other than that, it should not be understood to mean toilet only. Sunan an-Nasa'i 19
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My post, Help!
We might expect God to help and protect man, not the other way around. Let's look at some verses.
S 3:52 Then when Isa perceived kufr among them he said: Who are my helpers to Allah? The Hawariyun said: We are Allah’s helpers. We have believed in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims.
The Disciples are pictured as saying that they are the helpers of Allah, supposedly God.
S 47:7 Those who have believed, if you help Allah he helps you and makes your feet stable.
S 10:62 Indeed, Allah’s protectors--there is no fear upon them nor do they grieve.
Does Allah need protectors?
Protectors (Awliya')
S 61:14 Those who have believed, be Allah’s helpers, as Isa son of Maryam said to the Hawariyun: Who are my helpers to Allah? The Hawariyun said: We are Allah’s helpers. Then a band of the Banu Isra’il believed and a band disbelieved. So we backed those who believed against their enemy and they became assistants.
Why do they spend so much time studying OUR Christian religion???
In fairness, I wouldn't want to spend much time studying Islam if I were a Muslim either.
@@ReasonedAnswers lol. True
Because there they don't care about misrepresenting it. If they have a wrong thought about Islam they may be committing shirk or stuff. But when they misrepresent Christianity then there is no consequence at all.
My post, People of Pharaoh or Family of Fir’awn?
Did the author of the Quran think that Fir’awn (Pharaoh) was a proper name? In a number of passages we come across al Fir’awn, but we also come across al Ibrahim and al Imran and al Ya’qub, which are unquestionably the family of Ibrahim, the family of Imran and the family of Ya’qub respectively.
S 3:33 Allah chose Adam and Nuh and Ibrahim’s family and Imran’s family over the ‘alamin.
S 4:54 Or do they envy people for what Allah has given them from his favour? But we gave Ibrahim’s family the Book and the Wisdom and we gave them a great dominion.
S 12:6 And thus does your lord choose you and teach you of the interpretation of the ahadith and complete his grace upon you and upon Ya’qub’s family as he completed it upon your two fathers before, Ibrahim and Ishaq. Your lord is learned, wise.
So it seems likely that when the author said al Fir’awn he meant the family of Fir’awn. In S 7:109 we find qawm Fir’awn. Qawm does mean ‘people’.
The chiefs of Fir’awn’s people said: This is a learned magician.
Let the reader decide.
From, Muhammad and Idolatry
A prominent feature of Islam is that most of its rites and practices were adopted from the pagan Arabian rituals of Muhammad's time. To hide their pagan origins, Muhammad claimed that God initially sanctioned these rites. In fact, before, during, and after his mission, Muhammad continued to perform rites that were nothing more than idolatry. For instance, a hadith of al-Bukhari records that, prior to his calling, Muhammad made sacrifices to the pagan idols:
Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said that he met Zaid bin 'Amr Nufail at a place near Baldah and this had happened before Allah's Apostle received the Divine Inspiration. Allah's Apostle presented a dish of meat (that had been offered to him by the pagans) to Zaid bin 'Amr, but Zaid refused to eat of it and then said (to the pagans), "I do not eat of what you slaughter on your stone altars (Ansabs) nor do I eat except that on which Allah's Name has been mentioned on slaughtering." (Sahih al-Bukhari 7:407)
Despite the fact that the parenthetical statements - "that had been offered to him by the pagans" and "to the pagans" - are not part of the Arabic text, the point is still clear that Muhammad ate food sacrificed to idols while Zaid refused to eat it. This is brought out clearly from the following citations taken from F.E. Peters. According to a tradition reported by Zaid ibn Haritha, who was also present at the event,
The Prophet slaughtered an ewe for one of the idols (nusub min al-ansab); then he roasted it and carried it with him. Then Zayd ibn Amr ibn Nufayl met us in the upper part of the valley; it was one of the hot days of Mecca. When we met we greeted each other with the greeting of the Age of barbarism, in'am sabahan. The Prophet said: "Why do I see you, O son of Amr, hated by your people?" He said, "This (happened) without my being the cause of their hatred; but I found them associating divinities with God and I was reluctant to do the same. I wanted (to worship God according to) the religion of Abraham..." The Prophet said, "Would you like some food?" He said, "Yes." Then the Prophet put before him the (meat of the ewe). He (that is, Zayd ibn Amr) said: "What did you sacrifice to, O Muhammad?"
"He said, "To one of the idols." Zayd then said: "I am not the one to eat anything slaughtered for a divinity other than God." (Al-Kharqushi, Sharaf al-Mustafa, cited in F. E. Peters, Muhammad and the Religion of Islam [State University of New York Press (SUNY), Albany 1994], pp. 126-127)
Ibn al-Kalbi also confirms that Muhammad offered up an ewe to al-Uzza, "in accordance with the religion of the people." (Ibid., p. 127)
In fact, noted historian of the Arab peoples Philip K. Hitti accepts the veracity of al-Kalbi's report:
Al-'Uzza (the most mighty, Venus, the morning star) had her cult in Nakhlah east of Makkah. According to al-Kalbi, hers was the most venerated idol among the Quraysh, and Muhammad as a young man offered her a sacrifice. (Hitti, History of the Arabs from the Earliest Times to the Present, revised tenth edition, new preface by Walid Khalidi [Palgrave Macmillan, 2002; ISBN: 0-333-63142-0 paperback], p. 99)
Alfred Guillaume gives a tradition recorded by the first Muslim biographer, Ibn Ishaq, who wrote:
I was told that the apostle of Allah said, as he was talking about Zayd son of 'Amr son of Nufayl, 'He was the first to upbraid me for idolatry and forbade me to worship idols. I had come from al-Ta'if along with Zayd son of Haritha when we passed Zayd son of 'Amr who was in the highland of Mecca. Quraysh had made a public example of him for abandoning his religion, so that he went out from their midst. I sat down with him. I had a bag containing meat which WE HAD SACRIFICED TO OUR IDOLS - Zayd b. Haritha was carrying it - and I offered it to Zayd b. 'Amir - I was but a lad at the time - and I said, "Eat some of this food, my uncle." He replied, "Surely it is part of those sacrifices of theirs which they offer to their idols?" When I said that it was, he said, "Nephew mine, if you were to ask the daughters of 'Abd al-Muttalib they would tell you that I never eat of these sacrifices, and I have no desire to do so." Then he upbraided me for idolatry and spoke disparagingly of those who worship idols and sacrifice to them, and said, "They are worthless: they can neither harm nor profit anyone," or words to that effect.' The apostle added, 'After that I never knowingly stroked one of their idols nor did I sacrifice to them until God honoured me with his apostleship. (Guillaume, Islam [Penguin USA; ISBN: 0140203117], pp. 26-27; bold and capital emphasis mine; bold emphasis ours)
In fact, Muhammad's indulgence in idolatrous practices continued right into his alleged prophetic calling. For instance, the first Muslim biographer Ibn Ishaq recorded the following incident that occurred after Muhammad’s supposed encounter with Gabriel:
"And when the apostle of God had finished his period of seclusion and returned (to Mecca), in the first place he performed the circumambulation of the Ka'ba, as was his wont. While he was doing it, Waraqa met him and said, ‘O son of my brother, tell me what thou hast seen and heard.'" (Sirat Rasulullah, trans. Alfred Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad [Oxford University Press, Karachi], p. 107; bold emphasis ours)
2:35:00 a case of "lost in translation" with damaging consequences. Moses was thrown to the YEOR which is the Hebrew name for the river of Egypt. the people of Israel crossed the YAM SUF= sea of reeds. SUF is also the word for corals. sill the excepted translation is reeds. just as the "SUF means corals" was lost in English/Greek translation so did the word "YAM means sea " was lost in the Arabic translation. and yet, the difference between reed sea and coral sea is less damaging than the difference between sea and river. for example: red sea and black sea are still a sea but red river and red sea are two completely different things.
My post, Is Everyone and Everything Muslim?
S 3:83 So is it other than Allah’s religion they seek? And to him have surrendered {أَسْلَمَ aslama} those in the skies and the Earth, willingly and unwillingly, and to him are they returned.
S 13:15 And to Lah do sujud those in the skies and the Earth, willingly and unwillingly, and their shadows in the morning errand and the late afternoons.
S 16:49 And to Lah does sujud what is in the skies and what is on the Earth of beast and the angels and they are not arrogant.
S 22:18 Have you not seen that Allah, to him does sujud those in the skies and those on the Earth and the sun and the moon and the stars and the mountains and the trees and the beasts and many of the people? But many--the torture was rightly upon him. And he whom Allah despises, he has no honourer. Allah does what he wills.
In a non-Quranic hadith we read that the messenger’s devil had turned Muslim:
It was narrated from 'Ubadah bin Al-Walid bin 'Ubadah bin As-Samit that 'Aishah said:
"I looked for the Messenger of Allah and I put my hand on his hair." He said: "Your Shaitan has come to you." I said: "Don't you have a Shaitan?" He said: "Yes, but Allah helped me with him, so he submitted {فَأَسْلَمَ fa-aslama}." [nasai/36/22]
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand {فَأَسْلَمَ fa-aslama} and he does not command me but for good. [muslim:2814a]
Am I, an Islam critic, a Muslim and I do sujud to Lah? I have never seen any of my dogs doing sujud. If animals are Muslims, why do Muslims eat their fellow believers? And are shadows conscious entities? Has anyone ever seen them do sujud?
Suggestion & COMPLAIN: a voice effect interrupting discussion like *WHO ATE THE APPLE* is *ANNOYING* please moderate it, or delay it until there's a lull in conversation.
for example the conversation with Ahmad, who ate the apple pop up *MULTIPLE TIME* disturbing the discussion!
From, Qur'an Contradiction: Israel, the Quran and the Promised Land
Yet if we stick strictly with the Quran itself and take into consideration all the references to the Exodus of Israel then it becomes apparent that the author(s) thought that the land given to Israel wasn't Jerusalem or Canaan but Egypt!
And WE revealed to Moses, directing him, ‘Take away MY servants by night, you will surely be pursued.’ And Pharaoh sent summoners into the cities, announcing, ‘These are a small party, Yet they have offended us; And we are a multitude fully prepared and vigilant.’ So WE turned them out of gardens and springs, And treasures and an abode of honour. Thus it was; and WE gave them as heritage to the children of Israel. S. 26:52-59 Sher Ali
The foregoing verses indicate that the Israelites were made the inheritors of Egypt right after the destruction of Pharaoh and his armies in the sea. The Egyptians were "turned out" and their gardens were given to the children of Israel. The next citations support this position:
They said: We have been persecuted before you came to us and since you have come to us. He said: It may be that your Lord will destroy your enemy and make you rulers in the land, then He will see how you act. And certainly We overtook Firon's people with droughts and diminution of fruits that they may be mindful. S. 7:129-130 Shakir
Therefore We inflicted retribution on them and drowned them in the sea because they rejected Our signs and were heedless of them. And We made the people who were deemed weak to inherit the eastern land and the western ones which We had blessed; and the good word of your Lord was fulfilled in the children of Israel because they bore up (sufferings) patiently; and We utterly destroyed what Firon and his people had wrought and what they built. S. 7:136-137
When taking these passages together as a unit (which we must seeing that they are all part of the same context) then the conclusion is that Israel was given the eastern and western parts of Egypt and became rulers of it. This next quote provides further substantiation that the Quran's author(s) erroenously assumed that Israel did take over Egypt:
We will recite to thee something of the tiding of Moses and Pharaoh truthfully, for a people who believe. Now Pharaoh had exalted himself IN THE LAND and had divided its inhabitants into sects, abasing one party of them, slaughtering their sons, and sparing their women; for he was of the workers of corruption. Yet We desired to be gracious to those that were abased IN THE LAND, and to make them LEADERS, and to make them THE INHERITORS, AND TO ESTABLISH THEM IN THE LAND, and to show Pharaoh and Haman, and their hosts, what they were dreading from them. S. 28:2-6 Arberry
Quite obviously, since the Israelites were the weak party which Pharaoh abased in the land then this means that they were the ones who inherited the land of Egypt! This passage three times uses "in the land": The Pharaoh had exalted himself "in the land" (in Egypt), the Israelites are "those that were abased in the land" (in Egypt) and Allah decided to "to make them inheritors, and to establish them in the land". The only logical interpretation is that Allah intended to establish them in the same land that was spoken about throughout these verses. There is absolutely no indication that "the land" refers to some other country. It does not say "and to establish them in another land".
Moreover, the Quran in Q. 7:110 and 7:123 (as well as in Q. 20:57,63) says that Pharaoh and his chiefs were dreading that the Israelites would expel the Egyptians out of the land:
Said the Council of the people of Pharaoh, 'Surely this man is a cunning sorcerer who desires to expel you from your land; what do you command?' ... Said Pharaoh, 'You have believed in Him before I gave you leave. Surely this is a device you have devised in the city that you may expel its people from it. Now you shall know!
This again implicitly supports the fact that the author(s) mistakenly thought that the land that God promised to grant the Israelites was Egypt.
My post, The Quran is the Best Tafsir?
In S 25:33 we read: And they do not bring you a similitude but we have brought you the truth and the best tafsir.
If the Quran is the BEST tafsir, why do Muslims go to Ibn Kathir, et al.? Also, did Allah (“we have”) come to Earth and give it to its boss? Or is Allah permanently on Earth? (Side note: Does S 55:26-27 indicate that Allah is on Earth?: Everyone on it is evanescent. But the face of your lord, the possessor of majesty and honour, remains.) If it refers to angels, where does it state that? If ‘we’ can refer to angels, how might we know when it refers to angels and when to Allah?
My post, Pharaoh Saved in His Body
Muslims like to assert that Pharaoh's (which one?) body was preserved.
S 10:90-92 And we passed beyond the sea with the Banu Isra’il and Fir’awn and his troops followed them in rebellion and enmity until when the drowning came suddenly upon them, he said: I have believed that there is no god but the one whom the Banu Isra’il has believed in and I am of the Muslims. Now? And you disobeyed before and were of the corrupters. So today we save you in your body that you may be to him who has succeeded you a sign. And a lot of people are heedless of our signs.
Fir'awn was saved in his body, i.e. alive. In Legends of the Jews we read:
Pharaoh never died, and never will die. He always stands at the portal of hell, and when the kings of the nations enter, he makes the power of God known to them at once, in these words: "O ye fools! Why have ye not learnt knowledge from me? I am denied the Lord God, and He brought ten plagues upon me, sent me to the bottom of the sea, kept me there for fifty days, released me then, and brought me up. Thus I could not but believe in Him." Ch.1 Vol. 3 [sacred-texts .com/jud/loj/loj303 .htm]
Further reading: RAMESES II WAS NOT THE PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS! - Answering Islam Blog
DID THE PHARAOH OF THE EXODUS DROWN? - Answering Islam Blog
Qur'an Difficulty: Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved?
The Quran on the Preservation of Pharaoh’s Body
Qur'an Contradiction: Pharaoh's repentance in the face of death?
My post, The Journey Across the Red Sea
The clear and detailed Quran doesn't actually name the sea.
Moses strikes the sea:
S 20:77 And we inspired Musa: Travel by night with my slaves and strike a way for them in the sea, dry, not fearing a path nor fearing.
S 26:63 Then we inspired Musa: Strike the sea with your staff. Then it split apart and each part was like the great Tawd.
Tawd is a garbled form of the Syriac tur 'mountain'. The article is prefixed, so what mountain is in the author's mind? Sinai? Was the author uncertain as to how many parts the sea was split into?
Crossing and passing beyond:
S 7:138 And we crossed the sea with the Banu Isra’il. Then they came upon a people devoting themselves to idols of theirs. They said: Musa, make us a god like what gods they have. He said: You are ignorant people.
S 10:90 And we passed beyond the sea with the Banu Isra’il and Fir’awn and his troops followed them in rebellion and enmity until when the drowning came suddenly upon them, he said: I have believed that there is no god but the one whom the Banu Isra’il has believed in and I am of the Muslims.
'We' crossed and passed beyond the sea. Did Allah accompany the Israelites? Did they sail across it? Did the author have a hazy recollection of the pillar of cloud and of fire as recorded in Exodus 13?
21And the LORD went before them in a pillar of cloud to guide their way by day, and in a pillar of fire to give them light by night, so that they could travel by day or night. 22Neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place before the people.
[biblehub .com/bsb/exodus/13 .htm]
See also: Qur'an Difficulty: Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved?
Allah parts the sea:
S 2:50 And when we parted the sea for you we saved you and drowned Fir’awn’s family while you look.
A hadith says:
Narrated Ikrimah:
The Holy Prophet (ﷺ) said to Ibn Suriya': I remind you by Allah Who saved you from the people of Pharaoh, made you cover the sea, gave you the shade of clouds, sent down to you manna and quails, sent down you Torah to Moses, do you find stoning (for adultery) in your Book? He said: You have reminded me by the Great. It is not possible for me to belie you. He then transmitted the rest of the tradition.
[abudawud:3626]
The word translated 'made you cover' is from the verb qata'a' 'to cut'. Did the Israelites part the sea?
Regarding Yusuf (Joseph): My post, Yusuf the Apostate?
Should we understand from quran that the Islamic 'prophet' Yusuf was an apostate?
S 2:133 Or were you witnesses when death attended Ya’qub, when he said to his sons: What will you worship after me? They said: We shall worship your god and the god of your fathers, Ibrahim and Isma’il and Ishaq, one god. And we are Muslims to him.
He was originally a Muslim? But in the following verse we read:
S 12:37 He said: Food you are provided with does not come to you but I have informed you of its interpretation before it comes to you. That is of what my lord has taught me. I have left the cult of a people who do not believe in Allah and they in the hereafter, they are kafirun.
Did he at some point apostatise? If Islam is true, should this Islamic 'prophet' have been killed?
My post, Rabb al-’alamin
We may see in ‘rabb al-’alamin’ a calque of the Hebrew רבון העולמים Ribbon ha’’Olamim, Sovereign of the Worlds, a Jewish expression used of God.
My post, The Jannah-Bound
Muslims like to say that there will be so many millions (or billions) of Muslims by such-and-such a year.
What does the Quran say about the Jannah-bound?
S 2:62 Those who have believed and those who were Jewish and the Nasara and the Sabians--those who have believed in Allah and the last day and have done a righteous deed, theirs is their wage with their lord and there is no fear upon them nor do they grieve.
S 5:69 Those who have believed and those who were Jewish and the Sabians and the Nasara, he who has believed in Allah and the last day and has done a righteous deed, there is no fear upon them and they do not grieve.
Christians, Jews and even the heathen Sabians can get into the Jannah. So why bother to convert to Islam?
Regarding a grammatical error in S 5:69, see: The Qur'an: Grammatical Errors
It was narrated from ‘Awf bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah(ﷺ) said:
“The Jews split into seventy-one sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy in Hell. The Christians split into seventy-two sects, seventy-one of which will be in Hell and one in Paradise. I swear by the One Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, my nation will split into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two in Hell.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allah, who are they?” He said: “The main body.”
[ibnmajah/36/67]
According to the hadith above, the Jews have a 1/71 chance of getting into the Jannah, the Christians a 1/72 and the Muslims a 1/73 chance. The Jews and Christians have a greater chance of getting in, and all without converting to Islam; the Muslims, however, have just one chance in 73 of getting into it, depending upon their being in the right sect. It would seem that someone asked just which exactly the winning sect of Islam was, and that the founder of Islam tried to fob him off with a non-answer, which the translator renders "The main body", the word being "Al-jama'ah", 'The group'.
I think the more important question is, who ate the apple? 😂
My post, Allah's Prayer
In this post I shall show the Jewish background of the notion that Allah prays.
In Ibn Kathir's tafsir for S 33:56 we read:
And Ibn Abi Hatim said: Ali bin Al-Hussein told us, Ahmad bin Abd Al-Rahman told us, my father told me, from his father, on the authority of Ash’ath bin Ishaq, from Jaafar - meaning: Ibn Al-Mughira - from Sa'id bin Jubayr, from Ibn Abbas: The Banu Isra'il said to Musa, peace be upon him: Does your lord pray? Then his lord called him: Musa, they asked you: “Does your Lord pray?” So say: Yes, I and my angels only pray for my prophets and my messengers.
Earlier in the same tafsir we read:
Then Ibn Abi Hatim said: Amr Al-Awdi told us, Waki' told us, from Al-Amash, from Amr bin Murrah, Al-Amash from 'Atta bin Abi Rabbah said (Allah and his angels pray for the prophet), he said: His prayer is, may he be blessed and exalted: Praise, holy, may my mercy precede my anger. The Noble Qur’an - Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Interpretation of Surat Al-Ahzab - Verse 56
Now this is derived from something in the Talmud. In Berakhot 7a we read:
Along the same lines, Rabbi Yoḥanan said in the name of Rabbi Yosei: From where is it derived that the Holy One, Blessed be He, prays? As it is stated: “I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in the house of My prayer” (Isaiah 56:7). The verse does not say the house of their prayer, but rather, “the house of My prayer”; from here we see that the Holy One, Blessed be He, prays.
The Gemara asks: What does God pray?
Rav Zutra bar Tovia said that Rav said:
God says: May it be My will that My mercy will overcome My anger towards Israel for their transgressions,
and may My mercy prevail over My other attributes through which Israel is punished,
and may I conduct myself toward My children, Israel, with the attribute of mercy,
and may I enter before them beyond the letter of the law. Berakhot 7a
Now, the Biblical passage has har qodshi (mountain of my holiness) for 'my holy mountain', beyt tefilati (house of my prayer) for 'my house of prayer'. Older Hebrew could also have kisse khevodo (throne of his glory) for 'his glorious throne', as in the Delitzsch translations for Matthew 19:28 and 25:31. [wordproject .org/bibles/he/]
The rabbi's argument based on the Hebrew Bible shows that the Talmud is the origin of the notion that Allah prays.
Elsewhere we find an invocation for Allah to pray for the founder of Islam and his family, with a distinction made between praying and blessing. From Ibn Kathir for S 33:56
«قُولُوا: اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ، كَمَا صَلَّيْتَ عَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ، اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ، كَمَا بَارَكْتَ عَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيد»
(Say: "O Allah, send Your Salah upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad, as You sent Your Salah upon the family of Ibrahim, verily You are the Most Praiseworthy, Most Glorious. O Allah, send Your blessings upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad, as You sent Your blessings upon the family of Ibrahim, verily You are Most Praiseworthy, Most Glorious.'')'' Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn Abi Layla said that Ka`b bin `Ujrah met him and said, "Shall I not give you a gift The Messenger of Allah came out to us and we said, `O Messenger of Allah! We know how to send Salam upon you, but how can we send Salah' He said:
«قُولُوا: اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ، كَمَا صَلَّيْتَ عَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ، اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكْ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ، كَمَا بَارَكْتَ عَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيد»
(Say: "O Allah, send Your Salah upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad, as You sent Your Salah upon the family of Ibrahim, verily You are the Most Praiseworthy, Most Glorious. O Allah, send Your blessings upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad, as You sent Your blessings upon the family of Ibrahim, verily You are Most Praiseworthy, Most Glorious.'')'' This Hadith has been recorded by the Group in their books with different chains of narration. Ibn Al Kathir commentary for verse 33.56
Elsewhere we read:
Abu Hurayra reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "If anyone prays once on me, Allah will pray ten times on him.'"
[urn/2206300 / Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 645]
1387. Abu Umama reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Allah and His angels and the people of the heavens and the earth, even the ants in their rocks and the fish, pray for blessings on those who teach people good." [at-Tirmidhi]
1397. 'Abdullah ibn 'Amr ibn al-'As reported the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, says, "Anyone who says a prayer on me, Allah will pray on him ten times on account of it." [Muslim] riyad7
Allah Prays Passages
Some Thoughts on Salla ‘Ala (‘Pray Upon’)
~2:35:00 Mary says that Mohammed used a loanword which means sea instead of river, but all the translators translate it as river because they know from outside of the Quran that it can't be the sea. She said Mohammed used a fancy foreign word which he didn't know the meaning off and therefor made a mistake.
To me that certainly sounds plausible. But that is just a claim in the end which goes against scholarly consensus.
Is there some other usage of that word in that time and region where we can see if it is ever used as either sea or river? I think if that is the case then that would change the argument from a simple claim to claim with some backing.
Inwas eating an apple and heard "who ate d apple?!" Even though I've heard it hundreds of times, it still shocked me at that moment😂
YOU ate the apple!
That sounds about as difficult of a problem as finding out who is the oldest creature from middle earth. Of course Eru Ilúvatar is the very first as it is the initial cause. But on middle earth itself, is it Tom Bombadil, Treebeard, Círdan, Ungoliant, some other creature of the deep.
I hope my comment is not too nerdy for this channel. 😋
_"I hope my comment is not too nerdy for this channel."_ Impossible!
@@ReasonedAnswers XD
My post, Inspired
The Quran speaks of various people and things being inspired.
S 3:44 That is from the news of the ghayb. We inspire you with it. And you were not in their presence when they threw their pens as to which of them takes charge of Maryam. And you were not in their presence when they dispute.
S 4:163 We have inspired you as we inspired Nuh and the prophets after him and we inspired Ibrahim and Isma’il and Ishaq and Ya’qub and the tribes and Isa and Ayyub and Yunus and Harun and Sulayman and we gave Dawud a Zabur.
The 12 tribes of Israel were inspired?
S 5:111 And when I inspired the Hawariyun to believe in me and in my messenger they said: We have believed and bear witness that we are Muslims.
S 6:19 Say: Which thing is bigger as a testimony? Say: Allah is a witness between me and you and I have been inspired with this Quran that I may warn you therewith and whom it has reached. Do you testify that with Allah there are other gods? Say: I do not testify. Say: He is only one god. And I am free from what you associate.
From an Answering Islam article:
Say (O Muhammad): "What thing (shay-in) is the most great in witness?" Say: "Allah (the Most Great!) is Witness between me and you; this Qur'an has been revealed to me that I may therewith warn you and whomsoever it may reach. Can you verily bear witness that besides Allah there are other aliha (gods)?" Say "I bear no (such) witness!" Say: "But in truth He (Allah) is the only one Ilah (God). And truly I am innocent of what you join in worship with Him." S. 6:19 Hilali-Khan
And call not upon another god with God; there is no god but He. All things (shay-in) perish, except His Face. His is the Judgment, and unto Him you shall be returned. S. 28:88 Arberry
Does he think that no one (ahadun) has power over him? … Does he think that no one (ahadun) sees him? S. 90:5, 7 Shakir
Say: 'He is God, One (ahadun), S. 112:1 Arberry
In fact, in one of the headings for Sahih al-Bukhari we find the following admission:
XXI. "Say: 'What thing is greatest as a witness?' Say: 'Allah. '" (6:19)
Allah Almighty called Himself a thing, and the Prophet called the Qur'an a thing, and it is one of the attributes of Allah. He says, "All things are passing except His Face." (28:88) (Aish Bewley, 100. Book of Tawhid (the belief that Allah is One in His Essence, Attributes and Actions): *; bold emphasis ourss) Dr. Badawi Proves That Allah Exists As A Limited Physical Being
S 6:50 Say: I do not tell you I have Allah’s treasures or know the ghayb or tell you I am an angel. I do not follow but what I am inspired with. Say: Is the blind man equal to the seeing man? So do you not ponder?
The Ghayb
S 6:93 And who is more unjust than he who has fabricated a lie against Allah or said: I have been inspired, and was not inspired at all and he who has said: I shall send down the like of what Allah has sent down? And were you to see when the wrongdoers are in death throes and the angels stretch out their hands: Expel your souls! Today you are recompensed with the torture of abasement because you used to say other than the truth against Allah and were arrogant towards his verses.
Who is more unjust than...?
S 6:106 Follow what you have been inspired with from your lord. There is no god but him and turn away from the mushrikun.
S 6:121 And do not eat of what Allah’s name has not been mentioned over and it is fisq. And the devils inspire their protectors to dispute with you. And if you obeyed them you would be mushrikun.
S 6:145 Say: I do not find in what I have been inspired with something forbidden to a feeder who eats it except that it be a dead creature or blood shed or pork. And it is rijs or fisq that has been dedicated to other than Allah. And he who has been compelled not desiring nor returning then your lord is a forgiver, merciful.
A Brief Look at Food
S 7:117 And we inspired Musa: Throw your staff, and behold, it grabs what they delude.
S 7:160 And we cut them into 12 tribes, nations. And we inspired Musa when his people asked him for a drink: Strike the stone with your staff. Then 12 springs spouted from it. All people knew their drinking place. And we shaded the clouds over them and sent down the manna and the quail upon them. Eat of good things what we have provided you. And they did not wrong us but they were wronging themselves.
S 7:203 And when you have not brought them a sign they have said: Why have you not chosen it? Say: I only follow what I am inspired with from my lord. This is insights from your lord and guidance and mercy for a people who believe.
S 8:12 When your lord inspires the angels: I am with you so make those who have believed firm. I shall throw terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So strike above the necks and strike from them every distal phalanx.
S 10:15 And when our verses are read to them as proofs, those who do not hope for our meeting have said: Bring a quran other than this or change it. Say: It is not for me to change it of the meeting of my soul. I do not follow but what I am inspired with. I fear if I disobey my lord the torture of a great day.
S 10:109 And follow what you are inspired with and be patient until Allah judges. And he is the best of judges.
S 11:12 Then perhaps you are leaving some of what you are inspired with and your chest is straitened by it because they say: Why has a treasure not been sent down upon him or an angel come with him? You are only a nadhir. And Allah is an agent over everything.
Quran Contradiction: Is Muhammad Only A Warner or a Prophet/Messenger?
Surah 25:1 Al-Furqân and "the warner"
S 11:49 That is from the news of the ghayb; we inspire you with it. You were not knowing it, you nor your people before this. So be patient. The result is for the fearers.
S 12:102 That is from the news of the ghayb which we inspire you with. And you were not with them when they agreed upon their matter and they were plotting.
S 12:109 And we did not send before you but men. We inspire them from the people of the villages. So have you not travelled in the Earth and seen how the result of those before them was? And the home of the hereafter is best for those who have feared. So do you not comprehend?
Are villagers being inspired? But wasn't the founder of Islam supposedly the last messenger/prophet?
S 14:13 And those who had disbelieved said to their messengers: You will expel us from our land or return to our cult. So their lord inspired them: We will destroy the wrongdoers.
The messengers were inspired.
S 16:43 And we did not send before you but men. We inspire them. So ask the People of the Dhikr if you do not know.
Dhikr
People of the Dhikr
People of the Dhikr
S 16:68 And your lord inspired the bees: Take houses from the mountains and from the trees and from what they build up.
Bees inspired (!)
S 17:39 That is from what your lord has inspired you with of wisdom. And do not make with Allah another god lest you be thrown into Jahannam blameworthy, overpowered.
S 18:110 Say: I am only a human being the like of you. He inspires me that your god is one god. So he who was hoping for the meeting of his lord, let him do a righteous deed and not associate anyone with the worship of his lord.
S 20:13 And I have chosen you so listen to what is inspired.
Musa was inspired.
S 20:38 When we inspired your mother what is inspired:
Musa's mother was inspired.
S 21:7 And we did not send before you except men; we inspire them. So ask the People of the Dhikr if you do not know.
We inspire them, present tense?
S 21:25 And we did not send before you any messenger but we inspire him: There is no god but me so worship.
Are previous messengers being inspired?
S 21:108 Say: I am only inspired that your god is one god. So are you Muslims?
S 28:7 And we inspired Musa’s mother: Suckle him but when you have feared for him throw him into the sea and do not fear or grieve. We are returning him to you and making him of the commissaries.
S 33:2 And obey what you are inspired with from your lord. Allah was an expert in what you do.
S 38:70 I am not inspired except that I am only an obvious nadhir.
S 41:6 Say: I am only a man the like of you. I am inspired that your god is one god, so be upright towards him and ask him for forgiveness. And woe to the mushrikun,
S 41:12 So he finished them as seven skies in two days and inspired in every sky its affair. And we adorned the lowest sky with lamps and as a defence. That is the determination of the mighty, the learned.
What was inspired? The skies?
S 46:9 Say: I am not an innovation among the messengers and I do not know what will be done with me or with you. I do not follow but what I am inspired with and I am nothing but an obvious nadhir.
Was Muhammad certain of his Salvation?
Revisiting the Uncertainty of Muhammad's Salvation
S 53:4 It is nothing but inspiration that is inspired.
S 53:10 So he inspired his slave what he inspired.
The slave, the founder of Islam, was inspired by Allah, or by Jibril.
The Angel Gabriel - Allah’s Other Divine Partner
S 99:5 Because your lord has inspired it.
The Earth will have been inspired.
My post, Does Allah Eat?
Muslims will say that Allah doesn't eat and will cite this verse:
S 6:14 Say: Is it other than Allah that I should take as a protector, the splitter of the skies and the Earth, and he feeds and is not fed? Say: I have been commanded to be the first of those who have surrendered and you are not to be of the mushrikun.
Whom am I fed by? No-one; I feed myself.
Allah's boss called his slave a shakhs, which is a physical being. Physical beings tend to eat.
From an article:
If it is said, “He is a corporeal person (shakhs207) or form (sūra),” it [should be] said: “The report from different routes on the night of the mi‘rāj mentioned, “I saw my Lord in the most beautiful form”… And the application of that is not to be refused. Just as “soul” (nafs) not like souls and essence (dhāt) not like essences were not denied Him. Likewise form unlike forms, for the Shari‘a [uses it in this manner].208 (Abū Ya‘alā, Kitāb al-Mu‘amad fī usūl al-dīn, ed. W. Z. Haddad [Beirut, 1974], 58. Cited in Dr. Wesley Williams, “A Body Unlike Bodies: Transcendent Anthropomorphism in Ancient Semitic Tradition and Early Islam”, Journal of the American Oriental Society 129.1 (2009), p. 43; bold emphasis ours)
207 This designation is based on a hadith from the Prophet on the authority of the Companion al-Mughira b. Shu‘ba: “No person (shakhs) is more jealous than Allah; no shakhs is more pleased to grant pardon than He; no shakhs loves praiseworthy conduct more than He.” al-Bukhari, Sahih (tawhid), 20:512; Muslim, Sahih (li‘an), 17; Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 4:248; al-Nisa’I, al-Sunan (nikah), 37,3. The term shakhs is usually translated as “corporeal person.” It connotes “the bodily or corporeal form or figure or substance (suwad) of a man,” or “something possessing height (irtifa‘) and visibility (zuhur),” Ibn Manzur, Lisan al-‘arab (7:45. 4-11). See also Lane, Arabic-English Lexicon, 2:1517. (Bold emphasis ours) Allah As The Most Exalted Shakhs Of Them All!
Dr. Badawi Proves That Allah Exists As A Limited Physical Being
It's not a contradiction. The answer is literally in front of you. It says the prophet was commanded to say, he was the first to submit, to Islam, meaning, in his prophethood. Other previous prophets , who came before the prophet Muhammad(as) were also muslim.
My post, Muslims and Believers
In Islam can you be a Muslim without being a believer? Can you be a believer without being a Muslim?
S 6:163 No partner has he. And with that have I been commanded and I am the first of the Muslims.
The First Muslim
Commanded with what? Here the author is calling himself a Muslim. But:
S 2:285 The messenger has believed in what has been sent down to him from his lord, and the believers. All have believed in Allah and his angels and his books and his messengers. We do not distinguish between any of his messengers. And they have said: We have heard and obeyed. Your forgiveness, our lord, and to you is the destiny.
Who are all?
We Make No Distinction Between Messengers
S 33:50 Prophet, we have made lawful for you your husbands whom you have given their wages to and what your right hand possesses from what Allah has given you as booty and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman who has given herself to the prophet if the prophet wants to futter her--exclusively for you, excluding the believers. We knew what we made obligatory upon them concerning their husbands and what their right hands have possessed, that there should be no difficulty upon you. And Allah was a forgiver, merciful.
S 33:59 Prophet, tell your husbands and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their jalabib over them. That is more appropriate that they should be known and not harmed. And Allah was a forgiver, merciful. 60 If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease and the agitators in Al-Madinah do not cease, we will cause you to lure them then they shall not be your neighbours therein except a little.
It doesn't say: 'the women of the other believers'.
Was the Founder of Islam a Believer?
S 49:14 The Bedouins have said: We have believed. Say: You have not believed; but say: We have surrendered, and faith has not yet entered into your hearts. But if you obey Allah and his messenger, he does not deprive you of your deeds at all. Allah is a forgiver, merciful.
The Bedouins were to say that they had surrendered, turned Muslim, and were to be told that they had not believed.
Question: Who would not deprive them of their deeds? Allah? Its boss? As Muslims have tawhid 'unification', is this both Allah and its boss?
Iblis is depicted as calling Allah 'lord' and he obviously believed in Allah. Was he a Muslim?
S 15:36 He said: Lord, then give me respite to a day they are raised.
How does he know that 'they' (who?) would be raised?
S 15:39 He said: Lord, because you have seduced me I will adorn for them on the Earth and seduce them all
Allah as a Deceiver: Examining Satan’s Accusations Against the Integrity of Allah
Jews and Christians, we are told, believe in quran.
S 2:144 It may be we see the turning of your face to the sky so we turn you to a qiblah that you will be pleased with. So turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque and wherever you are turn your faces towards it. And those who were given the Book know that it is the truth from their lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.
The Change of the Qiblah
Qiblah Verses
S 28:52-53 Those whom we gave the Book to before it, they believe in it. / And when it is read to them they said: We have believed in it. It is the truth from our lord. We were Muslims before it.
They were apparently Muslims; they believe (present tense) in quran; are they still Muslims?
Throughout quran we find the phrase 'Those who have believed'. If you ask members of the stone-licking tribe whom this refers to, they will surely say: 'Muslims'. But if Christians and Jews believe in quran, would Muslims say that the former were Muslims?
Further reading:
Is Isa a Muslim?
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I don't know if this is sarcasm or what. Do you think I'm lying when I said I downloaded the video I was given?
I fell asleep. Who was the first Muslim? Did someone tell us?
"Who was the first Muslim?" - My guess is "Angels". They submitted to one god Allah!
@@JP-mq4zc haha! Yes.
@@JP-mq4zcthe one who created everything including the angels was the triune God Yahweh,(the tetragrammaton.. yod hey woh hey.. Yahuwah)... Allah is not the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.. the tribe of muhamad also worshipped worshiped Allah but also worshipped Allahs three daughters, the only difference was that muhamad said do not associate partners with Allah (not to worship his three daughters) that doesn't change the fact that Allah is still a pagan moon🌙 god from Arabia...
@@Avenged7Xs I agree with you 100%. I was poking pun at what Muslims claim often.
Still a mystery. We did learn the Quran's words have no meaning, according to multiple Muslims who tried to answer us, however.
1:35:00 I just figured out why Muhammad was so white! He was Danish! His family was from COPEnhagen!
As I understand their response, Muslims claim it's the "first" Muslim of each new ummah. They claim there are a series of ummah, each w/ a slightly different set of commands, & thus there are multiple firsts. Do I love their response? No, but it's better than most - I find this particular argument not especially damning (esp. in light of all the other damning objections), but I'm looking forward to hear what you both have to say!
It's sort of their version of dispensations & dispensationalism.
No matter what their argument is they're wrong, unless you want to claim that the Quran has errors in it, because in the Quran it says that Allah is a father to no one, so if Jesus was just a Muslim prophet then why did he call God his father? You can also claim that the bible has been corrupted.. this is the muhamadan dilemma that they have to lie in order to make Islam true...
Muslim spin-doctoring is both childish and desperate. For a "clear book", the Qur'an sure requires a lot of HUMAN explanation.
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Putting my guess in a comment before watching. I'm guessing the first Muslim was Muhammad because he was created before anyone else, and his spirit was shared with the other prophets, but Adam was the first Muslim human to set foot on earth. For some reason I have this nagging feeling that some source identified Allah as a Muslim though, and something about Satan refusing to worship Adam because he was too devout a Muslim also comes to mind. Then again, I'm the worst of creatures because I'm Christian, so I'm probably just being deceived by the greatest of deceivers or something.
2:17:05 After watching Mary's presentation, I'm now convinced that Nadir is the first Muslim.
Maybe allah is the first muslim because he took shahada?
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Prophet Muhammad being the first muslim means he is the first one from his people who answered God message at the time, read Quran 6 : 163 and the exegeses of the classic muslim Scholars about it( including legendary scholars like AL-Tabari and Ibn-Katheer). We apply the same logic regarding the texts about Moses or the other prophets in this regard, for instance, when Quran regarded Moses as the first believer in Quran 7 : 143 that means he is the first one from his people who answered God message at the time. What makes things quite clear concerning this matter is the quranic style when it comes to such matters : let's go to Quran 26 : 51 in this verse Pharoah's magicians have been labeled as " the first believers" yet Moses believed before them, in fact they got branded that way, because they were the first from their kind who believed in God's message at the time. I hope things got clear to you. Have a fantastic day :)
Nice, desperate spin-doctoring, but no dice. You will simply hurt yourself if you indulge in these mental gymnastics too long. Give it up and come to Christ, the TRUE God and Savior of humanity.
@mysotiras21 It's not a mental gymnastic, all muslim commentators interpreted these verses this way, we have a clear consensus among the muslim commentators in this regard moreover, the muslim commentators had a very good reason to construe the aforementioned verses that way considering the quranic style of writing when using the term "first" "اول" so, no it's not a mental gymnastic, but rather it's a reasonable interpretation consisted with the Quranic style of using the term "first" "اول". Have a fantastic day.
Yes, "all Muslim commentators" are more intelligent than "Allah" and therefore comes up with some excuse for the OBVIOUS contradictions in the text. Of course none of them stand up to the slightest scrutiny, which is why in the end Muslims are forced to "submit and obey" to whatever their "scholars" say and refuse to think for themselves. When you are ready to start THINKING, watch the video and see how "it means first of his people" doesn't actually help you in the slightest, since we spent quite some time debunking this excuse.
@ReasonedAnswers Lol, we have internal evidence within the quran to support this view, the muslim commentators were in line with the quranic style of writing when it comes to using the word "first" "اول" , in Quran 26 : 51 the author of the Quran labeled Pharoah magicians as "the first believers" despite Moses having believed before they did, it's because they were the first ones among their kind to submit to God's message( Moses's) at the time. You being so desperate when it comes to disproving Quran will get you no where so, wake up and submit to the reality, which is Islam being objectively true regardless of your feelings. Nice try though :)
@@juadwhite1391 _"we have internal evidence within the quran to support this view"_ Which would be what?
_" the quranic style of writing when it comes to using the word "first" "اول" "_ Um, cite any other use of "first" in the Quran that doesn't mean first. Don't just assert "Quranic style" - show it.
_" in Quran 26 : 51 the author of the Quran labeled Pharoah magicians as "the first believers" despite Moses having believed before they did"_ You got your order of events wrong - this is BEFORE Moses becomes the "first believer... but more importantly, pointing out the contradiction is not "internal evidence" that there is no contradiction. What CONTEXTUALLY says " first ones among their kind?"
_"You being so desperate"_ Says the guy who adds words to the Quran and simply claims his own thoughts are Allah's words.
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