Here’s Why the Tout Terrain Silkroad Is Worth $6300
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
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That bike is pretty much a wish list of everything you would want in a bike. Plus the added bonus that you get to offset the weight of the bike with a much lighter wallet. They really have thought of everything.
Haha... a very light wallet indeed. 😂
Agreed. Very cool. The only "Dream option" I've been thinking of would be a 100w (ish) internal seat-tube mounted e-bike motor combined with a downtube battery charged by the hub. Granted, from what I've read so far this would almost double the cost of this already not-cheap bike.
@@ianfurqueron5850 I don't think a dynamo charger is the way to go, unfortunately. Dynamo hubs can charge a 5000mAh battery in about 7.5 hours of riding. Ebike batteries are 10-30x bigger than a powerbank, so you'd need to ride for 75-225 hours to get a full battery charge!
@@Cyclingabout part of the issue is I'm not thinking about a current ebike type battery. That's not what I want it for. Note I only said a 100w motor - less than half a typical e-bike motor. I don't envision the motor being used a lot. More like just a little boost to get a loaded bike over the crest of a long climb. 99% of the time it would be disengaged from the bottom bracket. So the battery wouldn't need to be quite as large. Plus, my thought is to have that battery replace the stem version in this bike.
@@ianfurqueron5850 By my napkin calculations, you might get 1-2km of assistance up a hill on a 100w motor per 7.5 hours of dynamo hub charging (17km/h for 128km). I suspect you'd actually be faster by not carrying a motor and battery, and not having the drag associated with the dynamo! Solar charging is probably the only way to generate enough charge for it to be worthwhile.
I love it! That bike has everything to get you well on your way! This is a whole segment of biking that I never thought of until I started watching your videos. Thanks for covering ALL of the important details!
I'm glad I can introduce you to the fancy bikes of my world!
You had me at "steering lock".
My touring bike (Boskey Overlander) has this mount for a spring to attach from the bottom tube to the fork to try and do the same thing... not great execution, it scratches against the mudguards. This steering lock on the other hand is awesome.
Why in the world would anyone need a "steering lock"?
@@Gyvulys So your handlebars don't flop around when you lean the bike against something, causing the whole thing to come crashing down. No idea why they aren't standard on good bikes.
@@RobMacKendrick Do you know a thing called kickstand? Also, you don't "lean your bike on something" on a slope...
@@Gyvulys Gosh, I've only been riding a week, so you must be right!
4:58 Ive just shat myself!
This is truly a no-compromise touring/commuting bike. It is too expensive for me (the most expensive version, but there are others also in there that are a lot more affordable), but it is lovely to see that there are options like these pushing the boundaries and I am certain that for some people this makes a lot of sense (it can be a car alternative for many). I wonder when we will get bikes where you have a plug in option to add an electric motor or take it out.
WoW! Thank you so much for this detailed overview of a brand I have never heard of! I am currently in the market for a new bike and all of your videos are extremely helpful in the decision making process. Now if only there wasn't a shortage of bikes due to disrupted supply chains I could be back on two wheels again!
Hi Alee, just recieved my silkroad 27.5. Absolutely love it. Almost identical to ur video except I got Brooks ergo grips n jones h bars. Thanks to Damian for all his help.
That's awesome, congrats!
A month ago I bought a Tout Terrain Tanami with rohloff/gates. I literally rolled it out the door of the shop and rode it on a 1000mile tour from Melbourne to Sydney. Making plans for my next tour real soon!
That's awesome, congrats!
Where can you get it from,thanx?
Which shop? looking for a decent bike shop in Australia..
My ultimate dream bike is the Silkroad Xplore II 275 loaded. Of course I'm gonna have to travel to Freiburg to pick it up and test tour it around Europe. Thanks for this Alee. Your shot @ 4min56sec got my adrenaline pumping!
You're welcome. Freiburg is my favourite city in Germany! Totally worth the visit. 😎
what an awesome research - literally no questions left behind!
A superb video as always - Many thanks for producing and Kindly sharing the wisdom. Best wishes & Happy pedalling 🙏 🚴♂️🚴♂️
I'm in Canada and thinking I might need one of these if the American start their second civil war. Basically, I see this as the best travel option in a Mad Max world.
You'll just need to fit a pair of 50 cals and a grenade launcher!
@@rolandmatters1619 Those don't come standard?
Horses bro.... Horses they feed themself and direct you to water when thete thirsty and can hold more weight and are faster than bikes or finding bike parts good luck
Won’t be much of a civil war since one side has all the guns.
Eric Johnson : yep. And the other side has all the brains. We also have guns 😚
Thanks for your informative video! Been hoping for years that belt drives and internal gearing would become more standard. When I retire, those are two things I want on my 'dream bike'.
Very interesting this new model of the Silk Road. I test-drove some Tout Terrain and found them very well made. The integrated rear carrier is typical of TT. Talking about other bikes: I have a Locomotive Cycles, Italian brand (as me), which is a “monster cross” or “adventure” bike, inox frame, quadruple butted, sloping, similar geometry to Salsa Fargo, can accomodate a lot of different wheel (I have three sets with 28” 30mm tyres, 29” 2.1” tyres, 27.5+ with 3” tyres), alternator drop-outs, elliptical wheel hub (you can rotate it). Unluckily it does not accommodate carbon rim because it doesn’t have opening on the rear. It has been designed with bike packing in mind, but you can fit further bags. I have Lauf fork in front. - perhaps you may test one of these bikes?
An honest and comprehensive review. Bravo
A couple of years back I almost bought a Tout Terrain (5th Avenue, irrc). However, they had just introduced a new configurator and it did not work properly for weeks. This and the slightly lower price tipped the scale towards Patria (the Randonneur model). Lugged Zona tubes, Rohloff, SON hub and headlight. To me, the Edelux II is the bike's most impressive aspect, it is _almost_ perfect to go really fast at night.
For how expensive they are you see quite many Patrias in German cities, though I think Tout Terrain is more innovative.
I own the first generation purchased in 2010. It's a wonderful bike but I would love some of the improvements mentioned here. In particular, through axles, front fork lock, belt drive, and that outstanding pannier rear rack interface. Fantastic!
man I am with you, nd good luck to both if us test riding, and acquiring any of these today. or tomorrow. maybe in two years?
I saw one of these bikes on the TCT Canada this year 2022 it is the dogs bits, a Rolls Royce of touring bikes ,paint job ,the welds just a joy to see !
Quite a bike. I wasn't familiar with this level of quality. Your review was beyond excellent. Thank you.
I would love to see a review of the cinq trigger shifters for rohloff hubs ! I’m really interested but not sure about its reliability... great video anyway, as usual.
Loving the content as of late Alee! You are really hitting the sweet spot on UA-cam in the bike packing/touring community, your content is really well produced, you know your stuff and its presented wonderfully I always enjoy watching your vids to the end. You've definitely inspred me to hit up areas in my neck of the woods on my bike. Hoping to see more of the collabs with other brands, maybe something from Salsa, Surly or Santos perhaps? Take care and am looking forward to the next video!
My thoughts exactly.
Seems amazing but slightly overpriced.
By the way Alee, after watching your videos, I have purchased my first touring bike, and it's a Vivente Anatolia! Thank you for the recommendation sir
That's awesome! Congrats on the new ride.
had a look at the Vivente Anatolia specifications and it appears to be a good touring bike . I ride a recumbent touring bike and I will never go back to sitting on a fence post holding my upper body weight on my hands or holding my head up to see where I am going. So one of these days when your body starts to object to all the things you felt were normal before , at least you have an option for comfort to continue to ride and tour!
yes it is expensive, but I wouldn't say overpriced. I think it's reasonably priced, given all the expensive gadgets! nice bike Anatolia
Thank you for all your content, these videos are really well explained amd thought out, I love your channel ❤ 💜 and thanks for educating us
You're welcome!
Great review of an bike that is obviously a the best in the expedition long travel self supporting bike touring segment. Personally I have been exploring Pinion Gates frames that would be for single day and overnight trips but with 27.5 plus wheels to handle various loose off-road conditions. I’m excited to see the bicycle industry growing and developing all types of bikes for various wants and needs.
Did you find one? I'd like a decent belt-drive hub-gear bike but I don't do world tours like alee - just a few days at a time, in Europe mostly on tarmac, but the problem with my existing frame is that it's no good on the occaisional dirt surface cos it can't take a tyre biger than 32mm. Seems to me that one ought to be able to do this for a lot less then 5000€.
@@xxwookey Shimano and some other companies make gear hubs. The German company Roloff is probably one of the best brands but they’re expensive.
super informative, didn't know this bike existed. something to contemplate for touring asperations.
Years ago when I purchased by Pan Americana bicycle, I asked TT when they were going to start using the belt drive. The reply that I received was that they would not ever use a belt drive. And here we are, 13 years later, and they have joined the sane ones. I have truly enjoyed my Rohloff hub with belt drive bicycle.
Excellent review. Great communication skills your passion really comes through in your voice. I just did a mini trip around Fort Myers Florida and stayed at some airbnb's. Nothing at the levels you do but at least it's something. Know that you are appreciated in the UA-cam Community. A lot of times people give me a hard time because I Tour on aluminum bike. I just smile and respond back when you're under 165 lb it's amazing what you can get away with.😁😁😁😁
Thanks for the kind words, John! I am passionate about bikes and adventure travel, that's for sure. 😅
@@Cyclingabout you bet back at you actually I was introduced to your channel by somebody who stayed at my house off of a reciprocal Hospitality cycling site.
This content is off the charts. Every video is so well done and so very informative.
Glad you like them!
GREAT REVIEWS, THANK YOU!
Beautiful bike, they thought of everything a bike tourer would need.
I have just specked my silkroad. Rollhoff, belt ,smidht dynamo Jones bar, 27.5 andre rims. Green ofcourse. Thanks alee . It was between this and the koga world traveller but eventually I had to choose. Thanks to Damian Bradley for all your help and patience at tout terrain. Very good service and advice. Cant wait to get the beast home .
@@robertpask2897 why got you over the line compared to the Koga?
@@robertpask2897 have you got it
Suggestion for your next bike review: Falkenjagd Hoplit Pi
As a lifelong cyclist and motorcyclist this is amazing. I've owned BMW class-leading motorcycle adventure / touring bikes for the past 20 yrs and this is most impressive in terms of thinking of everything you need without adding the things you don't need. When I consider the price. Amazing. This is a bargain esp. if you consider the motorcycle equivalent is $30-40K.
Hi! Thank you very much for the video! As always it is interesting and full of necessary information. I came into the bike touring world about a year ago without ANY knowledge and started researching the field (with a lot of knowledge from your videos), about the bike i have chosen it is the brand VFS fahrradmanufaktur. I found this brand very durable, high standard qualitie made, and compering to othet brands it is very affordable. the thing is that there is lack of information (a specially in youtube) about VFS and i think it will be quit helpful to make a video about this brand. Wating for your next videos 🙏
Would love to hear your review of the Santos Travelmaster 3+ from the Netherlands. Really enjoy and appreciate the quality and the amount of research you put in your video.
Really useful explanation 👍
Awesome review!!! 👍
Really good video! great detail
Love it, great review mate 👍
Thanks 👍
The Tout terrain frame geometry is similar to modern road bikes, and they offer some models with cinq drop bar shifters, so if thats your thing, go for it. Koga miyata offers a stiffer down tube and rear triangle so a weighty rider will feel a difference. Former MTB riders could find Rennstahl geometry more suitable. If steel is real for you, check out Patria Fahrräder, their frames look just a notch better in this segment, and you can spec them as wished. Some more aluminum reccomendations: Idworx, Santos, Simplon, Maxx cycles. If you want something on a "budget", but still the best value, check out VSF T900 and TX1200.
Thanks to you I'm upgrading my bike with hub-gears and more importantly I am buying more non-meat alternatives. Loving the content!
That's awesome to hear! They're two life decisions I've never regretted. 🙏🏼
Hey, great video. Take a look at the Falkenjagd Hoplit Pi Plus (or the Rennstahl steel equivalent). That's a ... I have no words.
Fantastic review-as ever. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
Great content Dude!
Glad you liked it!
HI Alee, always nice to look at what’s around. How about a review/opinion of the Vivente WR and how it compares to its more expensive competitors in functionality.
Oh man! Just when I was about to buy a Koga World Traveler, this review drops and I’m totally going to have to go back to the drawing board.
I bought a new Koga WTS last month. I have considered Tout Terrain bikes as well, but Koga offers a life time warranty on the frame, where Tout Terrain seems to limit it to 3 years (extended to 5 if you register quickly after purchase). On the paintwork Koga offers 10 years guarantee, Tour Terrain just 2. Imho such service and warranty aspects don't get enough attention in reviews.
The two main differences between the bikes are the integrated rear rack and the steering lock mechanism on the TT. Personally I'm not a fan of the integrated rear rack. True, there is one less point of failure, but it's quite rare to break a quality rack these days. However, *if* the rack breaks, you'd have to find a skilled welder AND you need to have the entire frame repainted afterwards. If a custom rack breaks, you simply repair or replace the rack.
The Koga has a built in steering limiter - ua-cam.com/video/djw2ZDim_cM/v-deo.html - which is enough to comfortably use the rear kick stand with mounted lowriders in front.
That being said, the TT still is a quality bike of course.
Is your koga lighter than the TT ? Did you compare ?
@@mariamartins367 also wondering about the weight differnce
Great review! This is a sweet bike! Wish I could take it around the world...
Thank you ! Another very well explained and detailed video of the details and intricacies ...that makes up a real ...WORLD touring bicycle , Your video , has created two things, first it created another argument in favour of spending in excess of 6000$ , for a touring bicycle, ....second your video created another competitor of bike builders from which to chose from.
Oops... sorry about that! 😂
very good review. Probably one of the world most efficient « randonnée lointaine » bike ! Concerning the video presentation, I do like the way you are behind the bike as a voice off. It permits to capture all the information. instead of certain journalists speaking and speaking for minutes in front of the camera.
Thanks! One of my aims of this video was to maximise the shots of the bike so you could see every detail. I'm glad you liked it!
Awesome Video!!
1:01 forget about replacing a steel tube, they make special blocks that you can clamp to the frame to squeeze out dents. Besides, a dent isn't going to affect steel like it would aluminum.
A pair of wood blocks with half of a hole of the appropriate size work just as well as the official aluminum blocks. It only works with round tubes and will take the paint off even when you use lots of grease.
Your videos have been really inspiring. Awaiting the delivery of the Tout Terrain Blueridge bike with Rolhoff Plus. I’m looking forward to travelling the world soon on my new baby.
Also thinking about ordering the blueridge, how do you like your bike?
@@floppie88 So far, I love it, but I can't give you a proper review as yet. It's winter here in France and I'm waiting for the good weather. The plan is to tour all of France little by little before tackling Europe and beyond.
Have only done about 100km, without luggage, over several rides. We are still under Covid restrictions. I'll get back to you after my first tour in spring. Am hoping to tackle either Normandy or Brittany.
@@MrHombre67 Thanks for your feedback!
I will testdrive the bike once covid restrictions will allow it. Hopefully soon.
Enjoy your future bike adventures!
@@floppie88 I have just cycled 1800 km on my Blueridge. Two things that I noticed. Had a lot of difficulty with the drop bars. After a week I had terrible neck pain. Had to ask a shop to raise the handlebars and I shifted the seat forward a bit. Conclusion. Drop handlebars would not be a first choice if I had to buy again. Second thing. After two weeks the gates drive was making an annoying scraping sound. Only thing that resolved it was water and a toothbrush or just water itself. Oh. One more thing. It's really heavy. All that said. it's an extremely comfortable, confident machine.
Rohloff!!! The best! Can’t wait mine to be used!
Next bike/brand test? Santos.
I think the frameset seems quite good value.
It’s more _useful_ than _interesting_ maybe but I’d love to see more about the Cinq, alternatives and how you can route generators and cables.
I've got a lot of dynamo content coming over the next year... everyone will eventually become an expert!
Great content! THX for that. I would like you to cover a Patria Terra some day.
Great suggestion!
That rear with the built in rack is very nice
Recently purchased a hardly used TT Metropolitan with Rohloff hub and dynamo hub, lights, USB charger, stand etc. It's not a quick bike, but it's so comfy that I call it my "Happy Bike", on account I just don't care about my speed as I'm more preoccupied with the scenery and what's going on.
I'm surprised the Silkroad frame doesn't come standard with S&S Couplers. It's so much easier to pack up a bike for airplane travel once it's been split in half.
So alee is this your next tourer?? Awesome bike, along with your koga, another great bike. The TT has been in my list for awhile. I picked up an MTBCYCLETECH tourer which I love
I've been longing for a bike ever since. How i wish i could have a bike like yours 😔
Thanks for your videos. Wish I'd seen this video before I bought a Oxford Bike Works Type 3 touring bike, which wasn't worth the money and has given me some headaches in only 9000kms around Morrocco and Europe.
Can you expand a little bit on the issues encountered? I’m looking at both options also…
Terrific content as usual. One quibble- lowering the CG helps when the bike is stationary and you trying to hold it upright because it gives more leverage against the panniers. Once one is riding and therefore balancing, and higher cg is easier to balance and more stable.
When travelling in a straight line, a high centre of gravity is fine. But with your centre of gravity low, you can lean further to one side or the other without creating enough turning force to tip you over. I cannot think of many situations where a higher centre of gravity would be beneficial.
Riding both bicycles and motorcycles, I prefer a low CG. Not that important on a bicycle, but you're more free to move around on top and it's also easier when you're crawling at half the speed a human moves (necessary skill to pass riding test in Switzerland).
5:24
In bad conditions, the chain/belt that drives the hub also has some loss in efficiency, so it would be difficult to decide which is more efficient without actually testing it.
I've tested the drivetrain drag with a friend in a very unscientific way. By flipping the bikes upside down and spinning the cranks, we found the belt/Rohloff drivetrain to have less noticeable resistance in the conditions we were riding in, compared to when both drivetrains were perfectly clean and spinning about as freely.
can't wait to get this
I have a small dog who is unfortunately dying now. But I was about to go on a hikebike with her through Europe when Corona stroke. However - I and many dog owners like me look for a easy way to travel with dogs and therefore I decided to build a cargo bike on my own. There is however already some very lightweight cargo bikes that one should be able to go on a tour with. The four most interesting of those are The Bullitt (Larry vs Harry), Elian Cycles Cargo bike, The Maniac and Sane cargo bikes and finally the Catan Cargo Bike. It would be very interesting to se a touring bike analysis on these or other cargo bikes.
Good bike. It seems the weakest link would be the battery and the electrical components, as all other parts appear to be quite robust.
Sounds like a pretty good value to me! lots of attention to detail.
Exactly, bikes (ours and many others) can have a high price tag and still be a great value!
Talk to Surly about making something similar with a little more tire clearance and integrated fenders, that will bring the price down a bit. This bike is the Earthroamer Expidition RV of touring bikes, now we need a "mass market" version.
4:56 I had to rewatch this part again to believe my eyes. You are a really brave man to not get off the bike while going through that section. one slip of wheel you are at the bottom of that clif.
I was thinking the same, however I do believe the camera lens makes the cliff deceptively closer than it might actually be.
..and I was thinking the same too
Dream touring bike
Absolutely love it
Santos bikes released some new bikes last year. Please take a look at those.
looks awesome - like a tank
I'd love to hear about Nua Bikes!
All those high quality Parts are also made in Germany. They seem to always be top in the line , be it automotive, industry or even now bicycle (ebike) tech...huge
Nice video. Explains well what you get for $6000.
Thanks a lot for the video! Was not aware about this manufacturer. I like the steel frame and the modern features like the through axles wiith rohlhoff and SON dynamo. Now I only have to choose between a 27,5” silkroad or the blueridge model with the same frame but narrower tires.... Wondering how much more efficient a blueridge would be on tarmac. But at the same time I like the idea of more comfort on uneven roads with the “air suspension” of bigger tires... Choices...
The 27.5 silkroad is like riding on a pillow; love it.
It's interesting to see the different things other riding needs other than mountain biking. Though I don't think I could ever get past not having a carbon fibre full sus bike for the price 😂
I haven’t heard you do anything on the Van Nicholas Deveron. Maybe you should? Great vid.
Cheers! I'd like to highlight the details of a titanium bike in the future, that could be the one.
CYCLINGABOUT great news. I am holding back on buying the Deveron. Big outlay for what is basically just a pushbike. Getting hold of anything at the moment is unlikely anyway. Thanks for the reply. I enjoy your videos and have learned a lot. If you are ever in East Anglia in the UK, (North Norfolk Coast), give me a bell. There is always a spare bed, a meal and a shower.
Love this transmission system, curious bike in all the systems
Opinion of the Salsa Blackborow Expedition/Touring bike or the similar Big Dummy cargo bikes. Both bikes would be on road or 'light' gravel. Thanks. Great videos.
I loved to get one but with your type of handlebar ...Alee handlebar...or I can't remember the name but I met a Belgium couple during my ride last spring in Shimanami Kaido , Japan.. the guy is using your handle bar. Where can I buy the bike as I am in Malaysia? If it can be available in UK , I may also consider when I get there to start my ride after the pandemic hopefully. Thanks mate. Always awesome videos you made ... riding as well as equipment review.
such are the times where we get very high quality reviews of state of the art engineering, and you can't find a single one of these for the life of you. "we have 1 in stock, you need but it now by 3pm, before 'so and so' shows up for it. oh, and we are in LA." I live in montana ; ), love your presentations. next, please give us a tutorial in finding, riding, and acquiring one of your best recommendations -- LOL !!! I would acquire this bike in a split second if I can find one (that fits)
you produce programming that is unparalleled. thank you. not just pretty pictures. though you do this very well too..
Very nice new brand I am discovering, thanks to yo Alee ! Could we have an insight on the differences between the 8 models listed on the Expedition page of Tout Terrain? Lost under all this choice, with apparently no explanation for first visitors. And by the way, I would love to see one of those bikes confiburable with the Koga Alee bars!
Very nice. Can you do a review of a RODRIGUEZ (Rohloff) model?
Just snagged a 2016 fully equipped version for 500€, luckiest day ever ♥
Amazing vid beezy! Amaaaaazing bike, and so sixy too! If I win the lotto I know my first purchase! 🚲
My bz gets sponnos these days tho.
@@Cyclingabout only backdoor ones tho, no bikey and me no likeyy
top gun tourer, a dream bike indeed! looks well tough
Perfect.
Which one is easier for cycling uphill:
Pinion Gearbox or Rohloff?
A dream bike ! 💖
I was all ready to type in "are you mad?" in the comments but after seeing all the innovative features I don't think the price is out of line.
No thanks, I'll ride my $150 WalMart bike and go to the same places this bike will. It will just a little longer.
Yes you can tour on just about any bike but for those that can part with the $$$ this bike will make the experience better although not $6000 better IMO 😄
Excellent bike, still high on the wish list. The Falkenjagd Hoplit indeed comes to mind, as being one of the most accurate manufactured frames, using the boost standard solid axels. The Ti frame and Ti parts will have the edge in weight and corrosion. Unfortunately, also in price :-( I still feel most touring bikes miss in a front rack with integrated son light, that is 100% protected from impact. But slowly we are getting there....
I've ordered my Hoplit in August and it will be delivered in December, hopefully. Then I can do a direct comparison with the Tout Terrain.
What a beauty!
This bike might actually force me to try bike-touring! :)
Hi Alee, I love your Koga World travel! If this is your new ride can I buy your used Koga? 🙏
Love your channel and your site. Amazing information and you are a first class person. Thank you!
This is not mine, still rolling around on my KOGA (which I absolutely love)! 😎
This must be the most complete off the shelf touring bike available now. I can't imagine what else can be modified here to improve it further
If you think of anything, let us know :)
@@toutterrainbikes Some anti-theft or alarm on a $6,000+ bike.
A side car. your welcome;)
@@johngury They have that.
@@toutterrainbikes Drop bar version with Rohloff and Rohbox shifting system paired with a Schlumpf Mtn Drive setup with the lowest gear ratio allowed.
Heavy. I was lucky to find a used pinion Xplore model for $3k.
That is one sweet touring bike.
You should try to do a review of Idworx, their main competitor in Germany.
I would also like to see a comparison between the top light components: Supernova, SON, and B&M IQ-X.
Thanks for the ideas. I'd love to do something dynamo lights, I know quite a bit about them.
4:58 Yikes that cliff
10:45 Yikes again