Charlie Kirk Vs. Transsexual Buck Angel
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- Опубліковано 23 бер 2022
- Charlie Kirk goes one-on-one with transsexual man and former pornographic film actor Buck Angel in a riveting debate about transgenderism in America and the pitfalls of pornography in society. From the negative impact of porn on the human brain to the pharmaceutical industry capitalizing on the trans movement for profit this discussion is educational and CAN’T MISS!
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Thank you so much TP USA and Charlie for having me on to discuss very difficult subjects. I believe conversation creates change and helps us move forward. Big Love, Buck PS: Thanks for treating me like a rockstar:)
The conversation is absolutely important. Well done doing what so few are willing to do
dude this was fuckin informative thank you
Thanks for being cordial and open to debate. Many of those left of center will not even attempt to have open dialogue and if they do their temperament doesn't allow them to act civil and progress is ultimately shut down.
Mr. Angel, Thank you for joining the debate here or i would not have heard your side, not that I'm on Mr. Kirk's side either. You are so rare, and clear thinking, and calm with the young Kirk, which means "church" in old Deutsche. So, thanks again for the Church vs Angel debate.
Dude you ARE a rockstar. I just subscribed to your channel. This is the best debate I’ve ever seen. Only part I cringed at was Charlie’s insistence that all porn is wrong and it’s an objective moral truth. Not because of his stance but how he approached it. I could tell he was heavily triggered. I had to skip through some or it. But for the most part both of you were amazing
As a conservative man, only one thing infuriates me about Buck: that his beard is infinitely better than the one I can grow.
That's because it's chemically manipulated
@@rosietyler Aye, so is mine; I'm on TRT. Though I suspect the dosage difference is significant.
@@Lochlann13 oof, then RIP. maybe it'll come with age 💔 hang in there
And he has a bigger 🐓 than you
Thats Becuase it’s fake and only induced by drugs?
This is what happens when two reasonable people actually talk about the issue. Thanks for doing this.
We definitely need more of these discussions for all parties can be civil and understanding each other’s perspective
from what i see.i get way more reasoning from Buck than Charlie.Its really okay to have different opinion and point of view.but pressuring your religious point of view to non-believers IS NOT in any way will make them leaning to your "objective" truth.its something Charlie fails to understand i think
yes. because reasonable people inject themselves with testosterone.
@@rafisqiadhaputra6136On the other hand, BUCK just doesn't accept what she doesn't like. Every response is, "not for me", "I don't see it that way". Her child is 9. Let's see if her selfish holds.
I love how in the first couple minutes Charlie was clearly set for an adversarial debate, and 10 minutes later he's just sucked into a fascinating conversation with a person who has a viewpoint he completely didn't expect.
I’m sure he expected it. I doubt he went into this blind
Buck is the only rational Trans person he's ever debated at least that I've seen. The other debates are insane the shit they say would make anyone go crazy. I think it's completely reasonable to expect a lunatic when having this conversation and we are lucky it wasn't like that.
“Sucked”???? It’s all Charlie has always looked for. Rational conversation and not THRUSTED ideology by this far left administration & it’s followers. They want to change minds because they feel if you disagree you are an enemy, you are transphobic and hateful. Look! They label and point at Buck because he hasn’t conformed to their opinions and plans. Just look how they end their conversation. Respectful!!! Doesn’t happen when the angry ones don’t like Charlie’s views.
Buck set him straight fast very nicely saying I think we'll have a lot in common on the subject
You can tell how uncomfortable he was in the opening, it's actually crazy. Charlie is a phenomenal public speaker, one of the best is the business, but he was "uhming" and "ahhing" like a high-schooler speaking in public for the first time. Really weird to see from him.
Buck Angel: “I was suicidal. I tried to commit suicide”
Charlie: “I’m glad you didn’t”
🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 so tender and sweet. I love it💕
Buck Angel didn’t have the right therapy. Nobody should feel forced to change their gender. Gender is not, and should not be oppressive. Love yourself as you are. You are beautiful as you are made.
Tea. That was really sweet.
Yeah, Charlie is just so empathetic, until he gradually reveals his true self.
@@rickberglund2134 yeah, his an angry hurt child
@@ulvegutten2056 he seems pretty nice?
It’s absolutely insane to see a normal conversation these days. Thank you to both of you
I'm glad to see a respectful conversation
So I'm about 10 minutes in and have quite a few thoughts. However, I'd like to give credit where it's due. 💚
It takes human decency, intelligence & extreme courage to sit down and talk rationally with someone who holds views that you wholeheartedly disagree with.
Unfortunately, there is such a lack of civil discourse in this country right now & it's incredibly sad. NO AMERICAN should ever be hindered from expressing their viewpoints. It's the only way we can hear differing opinions, in order to grow and learn.
Major props to you both, especially your guest, who really put himself out there. 👍👏
agree. dont like Kirk. but no slanging match. civilised!
It's insane before there are so few people that have no fear to speak their minds from one of the lefts controlled groups. And Buck is someone that has never been controlled his entire life
Except this is not a normal conversation. It’s insanity we are even at this stage.
Internet and social media should be highly restricted to children
Edit: restricted from children
Children should not have access to social media and internet especially without supervision and safety/security measures.
Social Media, and the fact that parents refuse to monitor their kids and what they watch, is why this is out of control. You are 100% right. Anime is a so called, "cartoons". They are grooming, confusing, sex-filled, LGBTQ+ promotions, mostly produced in Japan, to mind f*ck kids into thinking that these decisions are the only way to be accepted and make them "happy". Parents have allowed the wrong babysitters, to raise their kids. The sad part of it, is the parents who are sitting on their phones all day as well, are also being indoctrinated, seeing the fame these parents are receiving for having a "trans" or "LQBTQ+" child. So they push them along. Indoctrination is at an all time high in elementary through college and beyond. What did everyone expect to happen?
In this day and age I 100% agree. Back when I was a child the Internet really wasn't this bad for children... Then again... I hated dial up 😆😉
You mean for not to. If you take your comment as you typed it ur saying that only children should be allowed on the internet with zero adult supervision. I don't think that's what you're saying.
Grammar and syntax matters. I get it, these new phones have weird keyboards. I have one too. Just wanted to point that out
I feel like there should be some middle ground for children on the internet/social media. There is just so much usefullness and good about it that it would probably be a net negative if we just full on restrict children from it. Maybe don't allow them to interact/post?
Buck is the definition of what I've wondered for a while: if you want to "perform" (as he said) as a different "gender", why not just do that and not have to deny biology in the process? Seems reasonable to me, and to Buck.
Buck is the most logical trans person I've ever listened to. Great debate!
There is no such thing.
You should check out Blaire White. Similar reasonability.
That's because he comes from a time where people were normal.
@@jonj1163 I have, she is awesome.
@@DiscoMatty79 no need to be hateful. Buck made alot of good points.
This was not a debate. It was a respectful and informative conversation with two rational people. I learned a lot and walked away with a better understanding of both sides.
Couldn’t agree more
Look i don't agree with that(about Charlie being rational, I think he just wants to be right but plays it off well) but im just glad u came away with that instead of not being open minded so its no big deal.
@@WhiteBoyNick1 I recognized Charlie was beginning to fall back on talking points and unnecessary arguments when it appeared that there was no true contention . There was a lot common ground. I think because Buck acknowledged and expressed who he is and how he got there without the pc bs or fear of being censored. He told the truth about his biology and did not subscribe to ideas that are not logical. I think most people hearing his story walked away from this with a better understanding and respect. We need to talk more in this country to each other constructively. We all win when do.
@@tehmu well said friend 👏
Good people 💯 %
What an amazing conversation. Thank you both so much. It was so refreshing to hear an actual discussion rather than yelling and talking over each other.
This was quite possibly the best reciprocal conversation between a man and a trans person about the current political and personal issues surrounding gender identity.
Absolutely wonderful exchange! This is how we bring about change.
I must say as a conservative, that if all trans and others within the LGBTQIA+ community and the supporters involved were as reasonable and rational as Buck is here the world would be such a better place and I think society could get along soooo much better! Buck is the most down to Earth reasonable sounding trans person I have ever had the pleasure of listening to! Thank you both for coming together to have this very civil, intelligent and constructive discussion!!! 🥰
A “better place” would be where Big Pharma/Big Business doesn’t manipulate the world to make big money…
"and the supporters involved" I think this is where most of the problem lies. It's mainly virtue signalling and the opinions of real members of "the community" rarely have mattered in the last 4 or so years. My conversations with conservatives on the other hand usually start with accusations of "you must feel XXX way about XXX". If that conversation is via social media, they usually aren't going to listen or disengage halfway through. Unfortunately "helpful" people like to shut those conversations down. In person, though, that doesn't happen as much. For the record, I haven't encountered the extreme attitude from trans people I've known. Non-binary people almost without fail, but not from trans people. The reason you're not hearing from most of them is because they don't generally come out to straight people unless they feel they need to.
100% in agreement with you.
Yeah we know that’s not true conservatives will cut you out like a cyst if you show any support to trans or lgbt
Yeah, he's pleasantly accumulating all kinds of awards for his pornography.
Huge respect to buck for being intellectually honest
You mean like barely?
At the end of the day how you feel and what you are are two different intellectually different things, you’re hormones depend on ur genre not ur soul. And that’s obvious
Love ya Kirk. But reliance on religion for objective morals is not a reliable way to argue with atheists.
If you think your truth is objective - especially when it comes from statistics - you shouldn't argue with anyone.
@@theotherscientist I don’t have a truth. I think there is THE truth. I just know that there is technically no way to argue for your morals on an objective basis. The best you can do is point to empathy or look at the quality of life in certain cultures that adhere to certain morals.
@@XSPHEAR I absolutely agree. Too many people think: Oh this happens x% of the times, so it must be THE truth. In my humble opinion the only objective truth is: 1 + 1 = 2, everything else is subjective.
he's an idiot lol
Religion rocks
Hi, Buck, thank you for speaking sensibly and truthfully and respectfully. you are an advocate and your voice needs to be heard!! You are helping many, please, dont stop. I totally respect you and your lifestyle. I would be proud to be your friend. You are a good person.
Im a Conservative and I mostly agree with Buck. Finally a rational trans person
Ya if you are a tota degenerate, you can defend pornagraphy.
he's rational because there's a difference between transgender and transexual. People who are transexual actually suffer from gender dysphoria, whereas transgender people it's all a trend and other people making them think they're a different gender.
I agree 💯 with you I was extremely obese I weighed 407 the day I finally got my gastric bypass that my doctors had recommended for more than 10 years because I had tried the whole weight loss diet programs and always ended up gaining it all back plus more and I had diabetes that I was struggling to control and high blood pressure and and a bunch of other medical issues that were definitely going to kill me sooner than later but all the insurance companies I had refused to pay for the surgery until my employer stepped up and said they would check into it and if they couldn’t get the insurance too pay for it they would pay for it and I am very grateful for that because instantly after surgery my diabetes disappeared and I went off all the meds for it the next day btw in a lot of other countries they do the surgery just too get rid of the diabetes you don’t need to be overweight and they don’t know why it goes away but it does in over 90% of the patients and if they reverse the bypass it comes back. the point I’m trying too make is that before I could have the surgery that would save me from medical issues that were definitely going to kill me I had too see a psychiatrist and these young people who are not even old enough to know what they are and make those kinds of decisions are allowed to have them without having too see a psychiatrist or try any other treatments before having a surgery which data shows doesn’t lower the suicidal rate among the trans community and at most only makes the person feel better about themselves for a few years and then the underlying mental disorder they have causes them to think they need some more surgery or they just realize they made a mistake and they want to transition back and they can’t because they had irreversible surgery
A rarity in itself…
Its not "finally," Buck was and is the OG
I LOVE how sensible Buck is! He's educated on the facts, doesn't live in fantasy. The best thing about him is he can debate politely. He doesn't lose his temper, scream, or have a tantrum and he treats others with respect. Really admirable!
She
@@noreenmcgovern1023I call people what comes naturally to me. What is instinctive. I don’t edit my pronouns for people. Buck looks like a ‘he’. My eyes see a ‘he’, my brain processes a ‘he’, so my mouth says ‘he’. I’m not editing my language for anyone.
Talk about fantasy you just referred to her as a man
@@juntjoonunya9216 I think normal people automatically say what pronouns they see. Buck looks like a bloke so it’s natural just to say ‘he’. We’d need to deliberately alter what our instincts tell us to call Buck ‘she’.
@@SummerMayDay I guess if trans fool you that good.
This is my first time ever hearing about buck. Absolutely love his mindset. We need more trans ppl like this to speak up
Her. She is a woman.
Beautiful conversation. Huge respect to both of you for being civil and curious
This is the BEST, most HONEST, MATURE and mutually- agreeable debate EVER heard regarding transgenderism!!!
Anyone with even a small amount of critical thinking and honesty knows almost every word said here is 100% true!!
Bravo Charlie and Buck!!!
Thank you, friend! I appreciate that you watched us. I also believe this is the way we learn to coexist.
@@BuckAngelOfficial great conversation sir. The porn conversation went kinda of the rails tho. I think porn can be enjoyed responsibly just like alcohol, some drugs, and church. Not everyone is an addict.
@@BuckAngelOfficial learning to coexist also means learning that people like me find trans disgusting. However, you do you just dont force it on the kids or culture (as its bieng done now)
@@RobertMascorroJr this is true. Kirk wants to ban porn and then immediately admitted that the drug war is a losing battle. I wish Buck had capitalized on the Fentanyl comparison to porn. I recognize the prevalence of fentanyl is directly correlated to the war on drugs while simultaneously having, limited, legitimate applications. And, I say this as someone who is battling addictive tendencies.
NO SUCH THING AS TRANSGENDERISM YOU FLAKE
Buck Angel would get criminally charged in Canada for saying what he’s said in the first 3 minutes of his part of this debate. He deserves enormous respect and is working towards bridge building! Props!
I don’t live in Canada, can you explain why he would get criminally charged?
@@mirandabatten5974 I n Canada if you call a man who says he is a woman a man you can be criminally charged. And by law trans people can demand to go to womens’ prisons, shelters etc.
@@mirandabatten5974 Trudeau created a law banning anything challenging people who call themselves the opposite sex. Biological men with penises can claim to be women and have to be let into woman’s prisons ( including rapist etc) (I’m not saying most/all/or any real dysmorphic are bad or guilty). medical schools by law have to teach that women can have penises (jeopardizing woman’s health research). Everyone DESERVES RESPECT and KINDNESS. But we all also DESERVE safety and health.
@@michelleready wow it's pretty bad over there huh
@@michelleready we also deserve truth, especially kids
Love love love that here are two people listening to each other and trying to understand. Rare and refreshing
The only complaint I have is not watching this a year ago. Very nice and refreshing conversation. 🎉
Buck and Blaire are my go to with this conversation!! They're both so eloquent and intelligent. If those screaming, crazy folks would take notes from them maybe we would take them more seriously. Thank you Buck for sharing your story, life and experience with us.
Blair is so convincing it took me a year before I found out!! I'd say the same about Buck, here.
Like Arielle Scarcella too
Me too. And, tho she’s gay and not trans, I’d also include Arielle Scarcella. She’s awesome too, if u don’t know about her. Those 3 are willing to speak up for their own views and willing to have these important conversations. And no one rails harder against the lgbt community than people IN the lgbt community who just happen to think differently from the views that they’re expected to just blindly follow
OffensiveTranny is another guy that is vocally pushing back.
You'll meet many more of these types of people in the r/truscum subreddit
I can't begin to express the amount of respect I have for the way this debate took place. If we could have more conversations with such respect and understanding our world would actually have a chance at addressing serious issues.
Thank you for showing there is still hope for civil disagreement and conversation.
YES!
Democrats won't allow it!!! DNC put literal "Black Face" in WH in '08 2 ensure that!!! BTW, this coming from a Dem Lib from Jackson run n '83, till the "abomination" that occurred '08-'15! SMGDMFH! ✌😔❤
Exactly, you can't get to this level of understanding and respect without dialog.
This is how discussion across the aisles should be conducted. Too frequently these kinds of conversations very quickly devolve into shouting and name calling. This video was very refreshing.
@@zipped6648 absolutely and causing even more division which is slowing destroying our society
If Buck became a Christian, it would be amazing. The enthusiasm behind the beliefs they hold could change the lives of so many people
Not that it's a bad thing he isn't Christian
Unfortunately, it’d be a form of idolatry. You were made in His image. Whether “Buck” like it or not he’d have to repent. You have the place to judge righteously.
A true christian wouldn't change the word of God for any reason. As it is proven in the Bible, God is perfect, therefore he makes no mistakes. So if God gave you a body, which is described as his temple, and you butcher parts of it to become who you think "I should've been", it is a Sin, and you are acting as your own god. Because by doing so, you are thinking God did a mistake by creating you as a female and therefore you have to change it to appear as a male. I hope comes to Christ, but he must repent of his sins, change his ways, and follow Christ.
@@marcocortes9968 I know that. I'm saying if she became a Christian, it would be amazing. Her enthusiasm is great. She could change so many lives if she was this outspoken about God
@marcocortes9968 saying God doesn't make mistakes is a cop out to remove human responsibility and accountability. God gave us our soul, and in his image is mankind. You're not LITERALLY in his image. Making is in his image... But if a child is born with a cleft lip or deformity because his mother was an alcoholic and wouldn't stop drinking while he was still in the womb you think God made him that way? No, God made his soul, his parents made him look that way. If a woman suffers brain damage from a car accident because she was hit head on by a drunk driver and has to spend the rest of their life in a wheel chair, unable to speak snd has to drink her food through a straw for the rest of her life... YOU THINK GOD MADE HER THAT WAY?!?! Where the fuck is free will in your little equation? God didn't make her cripple, the person who decided they wanted to get hammered and get behind the wheel of a car made her that way. He has free will to have those drinks. He had free will to get behind that wheel. She had free will to leave her house and go to Walmart or not... STOP blaming and crediting every single thing that ever happens to God. It's such a cop out and removes all accountability. "Oh it's not my fault I stabbed that guy in a bar fight.. the devil made me do it." "Must've gotten the devil in me when I molested that little girl, not my fault. Its all part of Gods plan." Little girls who get sex trafficked into LITERAL human slavery aren't there because "God willed it.. The God I believe in doesn't do things like that. My God loves me and all of us.. but there are consequences to giving humans free will.... that little girl was sold into sex slavery because some human beings choose to use their free will to be fucking EVIL.
Buck is a breath of fresh air on this topic. Most with that point of view are incoherent and contradict themselves 24/7.
Bravo 👏
This is the first time I've seen Kirk unable to fully defend a point he has presented. But was opposed by a well thought out, and extremely well articulated discussion from Buck.
As a young father. It's great to see content like this on the internet.
That's cuz he's going soft for "kind" TV
Because buck is not a crazy activist but a real gender dysphoria
He fully defended his points. Just because Ms. buck doesn't agree doesn't mean Kirk didn't fully defend his positions.
Ms. buck will never agree that s3x abuse of children is wrong across the board. It's okay for those who feel it's okay, and wrong for those who feel it's wrong.
Same with p0rn and the rest of her s3x work. As she states repeatedly throughout the interview, the only thing that really matters to her is her own happiness.
Making porn yeah thats so admirable, gross.
Charlie defended many points and so did Buck. Charlie’s points were made considering the world as a whole where as some points that Buck made were spun to fit his lifestyle
Normally, Charlie kills it. He really floundered here. His use of “objective truth” and following up with subjective truth while interrupting is very aggravating.
Sometimes we have biases challenged and he wasn’t expecting to find common ground with someone he didn’t expect. I think it shocked him and he lost his composure.
It was like everything was going fine between them. A very interesting discussion between two very intelligent people was taking place. And then, *all of sudden* , Charlie went into attack mode. The change in mood and tone is extremely jarring.
💯 agree
@@pobster88j94 that and all these guys cling to their subjective and objective truth / reality differences to give them some ‘out’ in never admitting the’re wrong.
They’ll create a fantasy world and say it’s true to me so therefore you’re wrong, even when you submit copious amounts of empirical data to completely show every angle of how wrong they are for their ideas and claims.
Yet they do not ever submit to losing an intellectual debate, they just dishonestly withdraw further into their enormous cache of weaponized strawmen and ad hominem attacks while targeting vulnerable minority groups, instead of looking to theirselves and their own shortcomings to resolve before they try to work on everyone else in society. And that ammo gets even crazier and crazier to where they’re attempting to use conspiracy theories to justify easy to see falsehoods. No, it’s the jewish space lasers making kids trans….
When Christians talk about a moral deterioration, they mean in themselves. We’d all be fine if they’d get their sh it together and stop trying to tell everyone else how to live and be when it doesn’t affect them whatsoever. They’ll throw up a ban on the existence of trans people to avoid having to talk to their kids about what a trans person is if asked.
I think it’s interesting that Buck has the perspective of support for trans people but that comment about pregnancy I still disagree with; a trans man may have biological woman parts but is a man, so therefore we can socially acceptably continue to call that man a man & accept that a certain subset of men will have the *capacity* for pregnancy;
… and who is threatened by that concept? What a weak pathetic person would work to sow up ignorant fervor to eventually legislate against and not allow someone they dont even know to make responsible choices for their own health care they decide on, since you know.. freedom and liberty and all that.
No, we base our laws on our emotional outrage of white people and fox news talking heads let that interpret the world for us, we are just too dumb to make our own choices.
I agree with Buck it shouldn’t be a “one and done” thing, there should be guidance along the way for people that are interested in going through it, and I would be very curious to see these supposed examples from Kirk or anyone like Dimwit DeSantis of it being “pushed on kids” in school .
These psychos in FL literally made a law so teachers in Florida can’t even speak the word “Trans” without threat of the state coming down on them. It’s insane and it’s a blatant attempt to write them out of existence. That’s why they are happy to not let any “definitions” be adjusted or altered of words…
Btw, Charlie’s take on making things like porn illegal is INSANE. LMAO “children are being preyed on every day” - so go ahead and work towards rescuing some. I don’t see you doing anything but stroking your own ego with your name up in big letters while you talk a big talk and walk by sitting on your couch doing NOTHING.
He just is trying to target a group of people to make them responsible for what Chuck here and the GQP Christians think are the shortcomings of society or some broken pact with God when it’s just them pushing their own inability to not try to force their own lives on others that is the problem. It makes me sick.
Get your cult garbage out of government, and stay out of people’s heath care decisions! For a group that always whines about free health care would somehow make it worse with govt. involvement, he sure thinks they deserve to oversee reproductive bodily care and take away decision making by forcing outcomes pretty easily. What a snake Kirk is and all of these guys are on the right. Patheitc.
Couldn't agree more. Once they got talking about Buck's porn history, Charlie was all over the place.
BUCK is the VOICE that ALL people need to hear. Wether there straight, gay, lesbian, trans, religious, atheist, short, tall, fat, skinny, etc. etc. what an AMAZING convo. 👏👏
Ms. buck says anyone that believes in having single s3x spaces is an extremist. Openly and harshly advocates that men that 'put in the effort' should use women's restrooms, showers etc, and women's safety and concern does not matter.
Making porn yeah thats so admirable, gross.
No not really.
@@tinahochstetler2189 Do you think that Buck should use the women's restroom?
Ms. Angel should use the gender neutral single user restroom.
A breath of fresh air to listen to someone like this who actually has logic behind their arguments. It's nice to see someone who can have an actual educated discussion about this topic without screaming and yelling to try and make their point......and yes......I think most of us are jealous of that wonderful facial hair.
Buck is old time sensibility. He-( and I'm using the pronoun with full understanding that this is a biological female)- is going back to the basics. "I'm a female with gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia. I felt and feel more comfortable looking and living like a man, and I made the decision as an adult". This is precious.
And if your daughter wanted to tattoo and pierce her entire body because she sees herself as a canvas. You would accept that?
@@noreenmcgovern1023 Of course. You don't have to agree with it, you'd try and talk her out of it, but if she was an adult and insisted, you have to accept it or lose her.
"precious"? Yeah, the devil does dress his things up with such descriptors
@@sportysbusinessher point is in the morality of it, not whether she could do anything about it
@@juntjoonunya9216 Thank you
I’m impressed with Buck Angel. Very smart and well spoken.
I was too until it got to around 25:00
Don’t be fooled - look him up , he works in porn.
He/she could fool anyone wow looks more manly than me 😂
@@JDAESTHETICS what happened around 25:00?
@@Kiwiiforfan I would suggest going with your normal instinct on calling that a he.
This was a great debate. I really enjoyed this.
Excellent conversation... impressed by both parties and their willingness to "listen" to each others position.
Charlie Kirk: personal responsibility
Also Charlie Kirk: people who make porn are responsible for the people who irresponsibly consume it.
his hangup on porn took me aback tbh lol
He loses all credibility with me when he starts talking about porn. Just because he clearly is obsessed with it in an unhealthy way and it clearly somehow is a bad negative thing for him he’s trying to force it to be negative and ‘dangerous’ for everyone. He just makes himself look completely unhinged not only that he ever could be addicted to watching porn as if it’s gonna consume your whole life and the way he crusades against it just makes himself look super perverse.
Yea He wasn't his best here... "Small government! But government should ban porn" is a little... Nonsensical to me. Plus... Just because you have a problem doesn't mean everyone else has the same problem. I e. I have a problem binge drinking alcohol doesn't mean I think alcohol should be banned.
@@caseywrightsel4277 I agree with his feelings towards porn, it is poison, but he reminded me of another UA-camr, Hamza Unfiltered. He takes a harsh stance agaimst video games. Its under the guise of wanting to help young men, but you question this when you learn he was yelled at for playing them. His trauma developed from this experience causes him to double down on his hatred for games. So much so that he hates you if you play them. He sounds unhinged.
@@maxpaynegk lol that’s how I feel Charlie sounds with porn. Like I know humans can be addicted and obsessive compulsive over anything including food, porn, tv/ media, like we can make anything a negative if we obsess and convulse on it too much and I know plenty of people really do have problems with porn but it’s the fact he pushes it as you’re somehow terrible for watching it or god forbid be a part of actual scenes or produce it. It’s the same concept you just explained it’s like he’s over compensating his own problems with it and projecting those onto everyone else. I agree porn can be addictive to people to a negative extent but when he’s crusading to the level of saying it’s more dangerous and ‘deadly’ than heroine he sounds 1000% unhinged. “It’s sacred time we shouldn’t share with other people and it’s a disgrace to the connection of humans “ - but yet he watched it so much and so compulsively to the point he needed porn rehab ?? so he just sounds stupid as hell lol like if he just said it’s dangerous that’s fine but every 10 seconds “everyone who watches porn is depressed “ like lmao no you can’t take general consensus numbers of people saying they have “times” of depression or negative feelings and he skews it and manipulates numbers to make it seem like they are depressed because of porn when in reality most people who are depressed live sedentary lives which then leads to more media viewing and usually increased porn. He just tries to make everything out too crazy just because he was looney as shit over porn lol
I’ve never been addicted to porn, but I have a terrible sugar addiction. It mainly came from depression. Once I started taking medication, my depression has lessened and so has my sugar addiction. Addiction is person to person and also has to do with your mental capacity.
Yeah, Charlie lost me there. I know some hardcore junk food addicts. It's insidious because many people think it's normal to pound down a milkshake or giant class of soda with every meal. I know people who spend most of their income on eating out at restaurants. People who get hangry and act like addicts in withdrawal if they can't have junk food for literally every meal every three hours.
I know an elderly type 2 diabetic man who won't stop eating sweets even though it's killing him. He can't afford an insulin pump because he spends so much money on food. Sorry for the rant but I've seen so many people suffer from food addiction and eating disorders, that Charlie handwaving that bothered me.
Let’s ban sugar!!
@@AshleyWilliams-xq7ljI'm caring for my father who is dying from his poor diet choices. 12 years of a stroke, double knee replacement, gastric bypass, sleep apnea, reliance on meds, incontinence, losing his career, etc doesn't wake him up.
It's a sad, slow, death that profoundly effects those that have to have to care for them.
The reason the Back Angel can't see that porn is addictive is that HE is a SHE, as Buck stated women are not as additided to porn as men. Buck is not a biological male so that means Buck will not be affected as a biological male.
Agree wonderful and respectful conversation, thank you!
If this conversation had happened even just 2 decades ago, we wouldn’t be going through this nonsense… THIS… is a measured conversation, this is a mature conversation. Thank you Buck and Charlie! (And moderator)
Buck give you a different perspective. I found it making me put more thought into the subject
Thank you!
The left doesn’t want to have this convo. They don’t truly care about trans people, they’ve weaponized them. I wish ppl would realize this.
If you find anything Charlie Kirk says interesting/profound or sensible, you’re not a good judge of those things.
@@ryanfranks1518 lol stay delusional
"I have a mental disorder."....... Finally, honesty.
But just because he admits he has a mental disorder, it doesn't mean he shouldn't live his life in a way that makes him happier.
He said he went to therapy for ten years before finding the one that said your right u are a man..but now a days how do u go to therapy when the moment u walk in there they all agree with you..not to be rude towards him but I’m sorry most therapists are all nut jobs
Most therapists are lazy and incompetent. I think the average (western) person has a positive opinion of therapy because they believe in its marketing. Reality is something else 🤣
I personally do not want to go from therapist to therapist in hopes of finding the "right" one. Waste of time. But I know it worked for some people.
A lot of people have various mental disorders.
Schizophrenia, Bipolar, personality disorder, eating disorders, anxiety disorder, mood disorder, PTSD, depression, narcissistic mental disorder.
That doesn’t mean these people can’t do things that make their disorders better or make them happy.
I like that he highlights that because if anything the trans movement can agree with, is having a mental disorder shouldn’t be seen as a bad thing or stigmatized. Some are against the idea of medicalizing their gender but having diagnoses in our healthcare system are what gets you resources, medication, therapies…good things!
I can’t wait to see this! 🎉
I love seeing people sensibly discuss very hard issues so respectfully.
❤
What an open minded and reflected person. Even willing to be slightly offended by Charlie for the sake of the conversation. A respectable spokesperson for the trans community that really shows the right wing what normal trans people are like.
This podcast should be played at schools and universities. Very important for this lost generation.
Totally agree
19:30 to 19:67
was the real eye opener
YES. We can finally get back to that norm where the conservatives are exposed for the original unreasonable purveyors of cancel culture they always were.
This wasn't really a debate in my opinion, this was two men having a civil discussion on a controversial subject.
Absolutely ! You are spot on.
We need more discussions like this!
Buck Angel is pretty amazing. Imagine if this person was able to actually be in charge of policy in the government that is going overboard with letting trans do whatever they feel at the moment. It would save a lot of lives.
People like Buck and Blaire have made be able to understand and empathize with them in a way that trans activists never could.
This was a wonderful debate, truly enjoyed and some very important points have been raised here.
A Well done debate, mutual respect goes a long way!!!!
Buck Angel is such a class act. I'll listen to Buck any day, and kudos to Charlie Kirk for having this interview! This is the kind of conversation that moves the country forward.
You referred to her by name in your second sentence cuz you're afraid to properly gender her
@@juntjoonunya9216 why not in the first sentence?
@@Tedanson idk. But the second time is obvious
It’s impossible to dislike Buck
I don't like that she thinks she is a man but everything else is good
@@RedBloodAurayeah i disagree with that as well but they were pretty respectful. That’s refreshing to see from the left and that’s sad
@@nodnoc9627 I will agree she was pretty respectful
Yeah he's a pretty level dude from other videos I've seen here on YT.
@@RedBloodAurawhy do you even care?
such an amazing and respectful debate loved it on both sides
This is such important content. I really enjoyed the respectable discourse between the two. We need more of this
I would actually enjoy a conversation with him. I’m more conservative but he takes a stance that doesn’t defy reality, is respectful, and is open to a conversation. I respect you sir, and I appreciate you doing this video
Right on and thank you so much!
@@BuckAngelOfficial no, thank you
I totally agree. Im very conservative in most aspects but never turn down a conversation with anyone with differing views.
I couldn't agree more, I really enjoyed him in the Middle ground video jubilee put out and in general find him to be one of the more productive and honest debaters out there. So many people (including this obnoxious interviewer) are more concerned with trying to "win" or trying to pull a gotcha on whoever they're speaking to than they are about actually trying to find objective truth through coherent discussion. I would have lost my cool through the many times that the interviewer kept trying to interrupt or put words in Bucks mouth or ask loaded questions but clearly the sharper of the two wasn't falling for any of that.
@@Mr.Sr.Jr. agree. 👍
Absolutely brilliant conversation. I am now a fan of Buck Angel as well.
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@@user-qn9tm8yp5bit’s okay to be a fan of somebody even if you don’t agree or understand their life choices
Then you failed
@@Schnuffbabby what standard?
She’s is a p-star and very confused.
What a wonderful conversation.
I would have had no idea that the trans man was once a woman, thats crazy.
"Once a woman"? Why, now she is somehow a man because she chopped off her breasts?
I actually agreed with the transgender person more than the other in the conversation.......Buck is the most reasonable transgender person I've ever heard.
Bucks amazing!
Both Charlie and Buck had an amazing conversation.
Yeah. You have conservatives trying to control ppl and trans extremists calling buck transphobic lol no reasoning with ppl
Yeah as all the rest are rabid
Have you watched Blair White and Marcus Dib? Friends of Buck's and just as rational as Buck.
I find it very odd how someone who probably believes in self responsibility is trying so hard to blame someone else for a porn addiction
Exactly 💯
I'm a little confused by who you're directing this comment at
@@emerealm3779 charlie
@Charlie because he's trying to twist Bucks words around to get him to feel bad for making porn when first transitioning, Charlie suffered from porn addiction so I think he gave into his emotions on this debate and lost it.
@TINA-kc4hi you should feel bad for making porn. It's destructive not productive
Fantastic conversation and very enlightening to hear both sides. Props to both of you.
This debate turned into a conversation. A great conversation.
Buck Angel has a good point. I'm a straight female. I was working in the Electronics Department of a store. I described the functions of the equipment to a male customer, answering his questions. He asked if there was anyone else with whom he could speak. My co-worker that day was male. He told the man everything I had said. My heart leaped for joy when my co-worker said, "I don't know why you called me out here. You taught me everything I know." I replied, "I just wanted the customer to be happy." So women are not always trusted for their intellect or abilities.
working in the construction industry, your last sentence is spot on!
I might add that I had a background in mainframe mini computers and in software and that I was the Assistant Manager of the department. I was the young man's supervisor.
So women are not always trusted for their intellect or abilities... in certain fields. Same thing can be said about men. You wouldn't go to a straight man for design/decoration ideas.
@Red Heart unless he's gay 😂
@@LegendRonk I said, "You wouldn't go to a STRAIGHT man for design/decoration ideas."
If every trans was as self aware as this man there wouldn’t be any issues going on right now.
The most balanced and sensible debate I've seen on the subject.
2 things...
Buck first said;
'I was homeless, druggaddict before i was a man...
Later in the debate;
'I was a female athlete and a model who traveled the world.'
Good interview, but some things dont add up
This is why I'm a libertarian. I believe freedom should be for everyone even if I disagree with what your doing. Leave people alone unless they endanger your life, liberty or pursuit of happiness/property. Small federal government and give individual states their rights back. Real freedom is scary because it places all the responsibilities on the individual, but it's no where near as scary as where we're headed.
Amen! You do you and I'll do me. As long as you aren't infringing on the rights of others.
@@honkingdonk3981 But it's a slippery slope. Now we have men allowed in women's bathrooms, showers, sports, prisons etc.
And now they want to teach this to little kids. They keep moving the goal post. Eventually it WILL affect you and your life.
This is the reason I love Buck Angel!!!
He acknowledges reality- he’s not ok with how far things have gone, he’s not ok with what’s happening to children, he acknowledges it’s a smaller group of people who should actually transition, acknowledges gender dysphoria for what it is, he’s respectful & moral and I’m so thankful for him and his voice in todays world
And reality dictated you using he him pronouns 7 times to describe Buck.
He sells porn that is Not moral
@@Bidenishit I’m aware of his history with that
But "he" is a she. And always will be.
@@aruglaempire2518 right but if you look at Buck in any social situation you would never say "she". I think context is important and in a biological setting, it's more appropriate to use she
Man that opening score sounded like the Dollar general version who wants to be a millionaire theme😂
It's really fun watching people try to debate a subject that the mostly agree upon.
Thats where CK loses me sometimes. He believes that everbody should have the same morals as him.
True, I still support him 100% and people like him. Even as an atheist. I absolutely despise the far left and they should be stopped by any means possible! They've completely taken over the Democrat party, which is frightening to say the least.
Well, he's not wrong about porn. It has deeply wrecked society, and should absolutely be exposed for what it really is.
@@plagueangel it's still an opinion. There is a laundry list of things that people claim have contributed to the downfall of society.
@@himotoma please dont advocate for porn. A quick search will tell you how harmful it is.
@@plagueangel im not advocating for anything. Im advocating for somebody like CK who is an amazing speaker to not push their personal demons on others.
I love Buck Angel. No jargon, no pandering just truth.
if you are a complete degenerate. I would be so ashamed if that was my daugheter.
That's how he is. He's helped me so much, in my own navigation of being transsexual.
Not everything she said was truth
@Seph96 I believe there is treatment for dealing with Gender Dysphoria there, and I will also say that it is supernaturally inovled.
exactly @@Bidenishit
Thank you both so much this was a great debate knowing argued or anything it was really pretty cool statements were made opinions were opinions you guys did good
Great discourse.
If this is how trans was being presented in society today, I would have literally no problem with it at all. I mean I think it’s freaky and I would be sad if my kid was trans, but I would accept it. But this ain’t how it’s being forced on us. We are being told by bullies to deny reality and to change our language or have our lives ruined. It’s getting ugly out here.
Damn I didn't realize us leftist was running around trying to cut off your penises.
I am deeply sorry for trying to ruin your life lol
You live in your own delusion. I guarantee you, if you were to unfollow an equal amount of conservative pundits in America right now, you would hear less about trans people than if you followed only the latter. It is not getting ugly - you simply choose to perceive it as such.
It’s because of the stigma that the leftists are trying to rewrite reality to reverse stigmatize straightness. But buck is very enlightened
It’s just more smoke and mirrors to divide us further.
I totally feel your pain brother
“The issue is not the issue, revolution is the issue” - James Lindsey. It’s simply destruction of what is ‘normal’, it’s demoralisation and most people carrying out this plan are unaware that is what they are taking part in. The road to hell…
This is a very good and respectful conversation. Thank you Charlie Kirk!
Why can’t people who are unhappy with or in their bodies, go to therapy to help themselves love the body they are in?
Holy cow! This is a very healthy debate!!
Charlie lost me a little when he started going down the porn rabbit hole. Other than that, it was a great and extremely logical debate!
Took it too far
The fact Charlie said Morals are Trial and error, over time passed on thru history vs. Just saying a Supernatural, Superstition based Religion or god created morals was the most impressive part I noticed.
The porn ...he definitely wanted to drag Religion into.
Porn is a main reason why the family dynamic has changed. It breaks up families and if children see it, it could be the cause of some of these trans issues as children. Children especially are not made to see that stuff. But he definitely debated that too long lol
Yes agreed!
This is BY FAR the most intellectual conversation ive ever seen about this issue. Thank you all for this.
Lol there's nothing intellectual about this.
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This isn’t representative of how the general trans community are.
@@Kunfucious577 thats the point
@@Kunfucious577 then maybe the "community" should consider not forcing their beliefs onto others or misrepresenting the ones who don't force their beliefs.
Charlie had a clear agenda here, and Buck was just being honest. Great conversation, I think Buck was miles ahead of Charlie here.
Man and woman, that’s it.
GOD was the creator of life, existence & morals zillions miles ahead of BUCK!!.
What was the agenda? It wasn’t clear enough for me 🤷🏼♀️😂
What agenda? Lol...
for sure.
When you expect a heated debate but you end up with a civil discussion.
Buck is one of the nicest and most sincere people on the planet.
You should she her movies.
@@vegeta8169 nope
She's still wicked
You know most of them? I find that hard to believe.
I love how visibly confused Charlie is. I don't think he was expecting this dude to be so reasonable.
This woman. But yeah
Woman. And she’s more dangerous than the loud mouth obnoxious ones.
@@yakityyak8894nah Buck is more of a man than most biological males.
@@yakityyak8894 I'm a woman. Buck is nothing like me.
@@dinahn6955 What? Are you being serious? You think that taking hormones for years means Buck is no longer a woman? Have you drunk coke or pepsi for years? Are you no longer a human, but a carbonated beverage?
How am I JUST seeing this?! Two great folks, on opposite side of the real life realm, and I'm here for it!
Great discussion.
Charlie badgering Buck over being in porn and allegedly causing people to commit suicide was not the way to go here IMO. You FINALLY talk to a "trans" person who is not a total nutbag and actually agrees with a lot of conservative views and has common sense...dont badgering him for his past and blame him for what other people do. Just my take. Buck seems like a cool dude.
Buck badegered a 14 year-old girl whom p0rnhub preyed on. Buck is a p0rnographer and she needs to be called out for that.
I think Charlie has a boring sex life. He doesn’t see Bucks side of it. It’s a chemical imbalance when it comes to any addiction.
I thought I was the only one who noticed that. He also kept saying that Buck was wearing a costume, which I found incredibly disrespectful and even painful to watch because Buck is so nice about it. I had to turn it off.
yeah, Charlie lost me when he used that authoritarian phrase "it just is", but that's okay - it shows that all of us have built in bias. otherwise an amazing thought-provoking conversation
I'm turning this off at 35 minutes. This was such an incredibly productive, positive and civil conversation up until this point. I almost felt as if Charlie was trying to pry a negative reaction out of Buck for the sake of content and views. "Charlie Kirk Triggers Trans-Activist" = More views, more exposure and therefore, more money. This world NEEDS these controversial topics to be discussed in a civil matter much like I saw here but, let's face it, most people in this world thrive on negativity and drama. Until the "porn debate" I felt this was a big step forward and should be the template for how to discuss such controversial topics in the future.
This is what a real conversation looks like. I appreciate both parties for being adult about very sensitive/explosive subjects. We need more of this! God Bless!
Buck is so patient and sees the good in everyone, Charlie seems constrained by his religious views but seems like he might be capable of rethinking some things that conflict with his indoctrination to a small extent. Baby steps - he clearly has a good heart.
I absolutely love Buck and Marcus Dib etc, *they're protecting both the few people with genuine GD and the kids lured into a social group that's powerful and protected and popular, and dangerous* 😢
I have been on the fence about this topic. Finally I can distinguish the difference between transgenderism and transsexualism. Buck I thank you for putting things into perspective.. Glad you are living your true self. My support to you and the community will always be supported…
Thank you Buck Angel. I work with adolescents in acute psych care. This is destroying our youth. We need your education. Also love that you don't hate people who disagree.
FINALLY!!! A trans human that actually makes sense and isn’t INSANE! Buck, my hat is off to ya brotha
I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that you are sane.
@@ryanfranks1518 word
*sista
@@jima611 nah…. I’m ok with calling this one by his pronoun lol. Like he said, he transitioned 30 years ago and has a clear understanding on what is going on with himself.
It’s the “ITS MAAM” dudes that I can’t get on board with.
@@zuniga0331 I literally only see a little masculine guy when I look at Buck. Came across him on another show and was amazed at his honesty and logic. Finally a normal trans person and not one with tons of other mental health issues, no offense. But most trans ppl nowadays have lots of other issues going on and try to confuse it with gender dysphoria. Buck is a great advocate for young adults who don't feel comfortable in their own skin. And what I appreciate most about him, is that he understands how bad it is to transition kids too young. They need to be sure in what they are doing. This shouldn't be treated like a trend.
Bravo 👏 Now that’s a proper discussion. Two adults that can have a difference in opinion and not disrespect each other because of it.
Great conversation. Where do we draw the line? The line keeps getting pushed. It's a slippery slope my friends and it just keeps getting more and more slippery.
Genuinely surprised in the way this played out. Kudos to both of you for providing an example of a sane, civil, and truly chain moving conversation over transgenderism and for the first time, having someone from the Trans side not demanding that everyone buy in 100% to an illusion before being willing to be an equal at the table of discussion.
This is the way to bring people together in understanding around a very new to the masses way of exploring a path through life.
As a conservative, I find it very weird to see another person who calls themselves a conservative, but wants big government to step in and shut down porn. How about parents doing their job and shielding their kids from it. Same thing goes with drugs. Charlie, I just think you're so wrong on this subject. I just couldn't believe what I was hearing.
It’s much easier to shield kids from drugs/alcohol than porn. Speaking from personal experience, it was far to easy to get into a dark world of pornography and continue down the rabbit hole from a very young age, seeing as how most young kids have access to internet at a far young age
Exactly! He fell short on the porn issue. Victimhood, childish and black and white mindset.
@@chubbycheeks75 that's fair. But if we can't depend on parents to know what their kids are watching, we might as well just turn over kids to the government now and get it over with. Everywhere I look in society, people are complaining about the government not doing enough for them and their kids. I just hate to see it coming from the conservative side
Perhaps you are thinking of the term 'libertarian' rather than conservative. There is nothing surprising to me about a conservative opposing porn, and even wanting to outlaw it. As conservatives tend to hold traditional moral views about sex, this is almost definitional to being a conservative. But even if we switch to the term libertarian, which I'm not sure Charlie has ever claimed to be, why should Charlie's opposition to government intervention in certain cases, such as in the economic sphere, imply that he should be against government intervention in this case? It seems as though Charlie is not simply approaching it from a kind of low resolution heuristic approach of 'government intervention is bad,' but is considering the morality of it in each particular case. In this case, it appears as though he feels that the harm inflicted upon children, who are often not yet able to understand the effects of pornography or restrain themselves properly, justifies the use of state power. Is there something contradictory about this position? You further point out that parents should shield their kids from porn. This would of course be ideal, but clearly this is not what is actually happening. So are we supposed to just have future generations of kids incur the brain and bodily damage from pornography because their parents aren't able or willing to shield them from it and hope that some time down the line the parents step up? If so, where is the morality in this, and what possible justification is there for it?
@@johnjonestheguy Trust me, I'm very much aware of what conservatism stands for and what libertarian stands for. I happen to be a libertarian conservative myself. The thing about morals, is that not everyone share the same moral positions. The conservative framework should be centered around state rights and small federal government reach. A reach which should stop at national defense, protecting the rights which are in the constitution and bill of rights, and foreign affairs. Porn does not violate anyone's rights. It is up to each family and state to determine which moral values and laws they wish to Abide by. One could make the same argument for many things which we allow in society which can be harmful but still protected under the constitution. There are many cases where children are abused by churches. Should we then trample on the protection of religion by shutting down all churches to make sure no kids are ever abused in one? No of course not. That makes no sense. Iv studied conservative philosophy for a decade. While I understand the temptation to take this path. I think it sets a bad precedent, which opens up a can of worms which will lead to much more control by the federal government. One where the cure is worse than the disease.
Buck, you are likeable, but you are SO wrong on the subject of porn.
I’m late to the show but this is a great example of respectful conversation. Not attacking persons on either end but respecting the person and discussing the points