I thought long and hard about this too. If V's memory and personality was turned into an Engram at the end. Why isn't it possible to reinsert V into their own body vea a new biochip, then cause a traumatic injury to trigger the New Biochips repair function. Thus reconfiguring Vs brain to the New Engram as well as her DNA. This is what is happening during the course of the game. The Biochip is reconfiguring Vs body to Johnys engram. Couldn't the reverse also occur. More so why wasn't there an ending where Johny and Vs engrams merge together? If the game is about survival, but at the cost of yourself. Why wasn't that the devil ending. You live but as a corporate puppet... Why wasn't the Difficult Tower ending thus, were you and Johny form a symbiosis?
Very glad to see I wasn't alone in thinking this. The way the Relic was explained, this seemed like what they were going for. First time around, I thought for sure this would be a big part of the ending. But based on how the game can end, there's nothing stopping V from trying this down the line.
I think that is what Alt did. V is now permanently an engram. The problem is the original body is beyond repair due to the changes made by the relic. What V needs is a new body. Saburo did it. He used his son, Yorinobu, as a vessel. It was explained genetic compatibility ensures the body accepts the relic without damage. Guess what, cloning is canon in cyberpunk. Biotechnica specializes in it. They make brain dead clones. I can easily see V doing a gig for biotechnica with the price of getting a cloned brain dead body only to transfer their engram into it to live. And that's just one possibility. What about full borg conversion? Also completely canon. V gets a new full borg body to contain their engram. There's probably a few other ways.
@@ixiahj Yorinobu himself was a cloned body with a Secure your Soul prototype installed. it's one of the options from The Guns Silenced, made cannon by the game. That's why Saburo could take him over. The body was made for it, not because of genetic compatibility. This is purely my opinion and impression based on what i saw in the game.
@@ixiahj yorinobu until september 2022 was saburo's bio-son. in september kei killed him (probably by soulkiller) and put the engram in Arasaka HQ. The Millitech team can clone him a body and put him in it. that has become cannon. Arasaka's research has been into prolonging Saburo's life even before 2023 it seems.
Mr.Blue eyes makes 1 appearance in PL only in the So MI ending. He just happens to be at the airport watching Songbird, the only (other) person known to have been fully controlled by Rogue AI. Interesting indeed. I think Blue Eyes will 100% be in the sequel and i think the sequel will be about the fall of the black wall because regardless of the ending, dead or alive escaped or not, Songbird or her body pose an incredible threat if not contained. Walking bomb as she's described in PL. The reed ending and her going to Cenosure and releasing ai like Cerberus really shows this.
Yeah. I tried to show that in this video. I say "tried" because the footage I recorded was godawful. But I think that Songbird is a perfect target for Mr. Blue Eyes and the implications of what he's up to in-game. She had access to all sorts of NUS secrets which she had to give him before he would arrange her trip to the moon and she has unparalleled Netrunner skills. Then there's the fact that she's been a host to a Rogue AI and is carrying the Cynosure device.
From what i can tell, Johnny's relic was an earlier and unstable version of what Hanako uses to resurrect her father. it needs to be kept in very strict conditions, while Saburo's is just kept in a pocket. Hanako spent 50+ years trying to recreate the 2013 enhanced Soulkiller, while Spider Murphy had a better one in 2023, and used the thing on Kei Arasaka and Johnny. WIthout all the rambling...... I too believe that V can be put on a Relic and into his own body. All it takes is a talented Techie or Netrunner to do it. Black Dog even hints that Alt at least is back in meat space. Angel is a dead ringer for Alt, and she just got Johnny's body, with the Engram-on-a-chip still inside :3
Great point. I hadn't even thought about the Relic's storage conditions. As for Soulkiller, Cyberpunk RED already confirmed that Hanako and Arasaka have a different version of Soulkiller. It's supposed to be a unique version they developed as of RED that copies an engram without killing the original subject. And I definitely think Black Dog was hinting at Angel being an Alt Cunningham clone. This was a huge plot point in Cyberpunk v3 / Cybergeneration. One of the next videos I'll put together about Cyberpunk is about Alt and what she's doing in the Old Net. But they definitely made room for the fact that there could be more than one Alt Cunningham running around out there. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're setting up for future projects.
@@EyeofCenter Leaving aside of course that whatever the VDB call up from beyond the Blackwall isn't actually Alt, but something that probably ate one of the pieces Spider Murphy chucked into the Net when the data suitcase got wrecked. It even says so (i'm merely using her engramatic data). I for one, in my Red campaign have Angel BE Alt (a clone ofc) and be someone from a character's backstory that can pop up if i feel like it
@@alexhulea2735 I've heard that theory before. I try to avoid watching other theories, but I remember the video that started that theory and personally, I'm not convinced at all that this isn't Alt Cunningham. This is just my personal take (and I'll make another video about it, because I'll probably butcher this shortened explanation just trying to type it out in a comment), but I think that line was completely misinterpreted. The person making that video about how Alt might not be Alt theorized 2077 Alt was actually an AI called Zero-One (or something like that), but the book excerpts he showed in the video clearly says that AI simply destroyed other AIs. There's no indication it consumes or impersonates the AIs it killed. And a Netrunner of Alt's skills would definitely be able to avoid being killed by a single AI. More importantly though, the Alt AI was introduced as Alt Cunningham all throughout Cyberpunk RED and there was never any indication she was "eating" other AIs or falsifying her identity. In fact, her intentions were much more benign and totally different from what V is accusing her of when he meets her. Alt never says she'll consume or destroy the Mikoshi AIs. She specifically says that she's going to "assimilate" them with herself. And Alt actually laughs at V in one of their dialogues and muses whether V "thinks she's a demon who signs blood pacts and hurts innocents." She never bothers to defend herself because V and what he thinks is worth less than dirt to her, but I think this was her way of hinting that V's impressions of her are wrong. The AI Alt Cunningham from the 2020s all the way to the 2040s was actually building a network of "Ghost AIs" by gathering up as many Soulkilled people as she could and building "sanctuaries" for them. But as far as the Cyberpunk tabletop books, there's no indication that Alt was "eating" other AIs. In fact, I don't see how that would benefit her. What's more likely (in MY opinion, at least) is that she's connecting herself and all those AIs together into one network that has substantially more reach than she'd have alone. In a sense, she's both Alt AND something new. Something like the Major from Ghost in the Shell after she merges with the Puppet Master times a thousand. And we already know that CP2077 took more than one inspiration from Ghost in the Shell.
@@EyeofCenter AIs merging reminds me more of the end of Neuromancer, where the 2 halves merge and become SOMETHING, that decides to go somewhere else, but by the time of Count Zero, there are AIs possessing people's implants, one being a girl born with defects that her father corrects with implants designed i assume by an AI
i really dont understand the argument that happy endings do not fit the cyberpunk genre. sure, the main premise is (to put it simply), "high tech, low life", but every genre has has variety of endings that have been written. theres no reason the cyberpunk genre should be an exception to this. if anything, more variety will only HELP the genre evolve. you were spot on about that.
Definitely. There are plenty of examples of cyberpunk stories with fairly positive endings well before Cyberpunk 2077 ever existed. The idea this is "wrong for the genre" is quite honestly just nonsense.
I don't really have an opinion about a "Happy Ending" on a Cyberpunk universe , it's true that most of the time it always end up badly for the protagonist, friends or even familly. so as you said it's all about the positive & negative effect of these endings but yeah, they could at least try to cure V by reprogramming the relic or make a new one,, it's kinda hard to see that in Cyberpunk they back up saves with all the advanced technology in there. I have played this game since it came out and i did noticed despite it's a Cyberpunk type universe , 2077 story is heavily inspired by "V for Vendetta" , easter eggs, achievement, both Protagonist are named V ( in V for Vendetta there is a Women named Valerie like the Female V ) , V in the movie even say something like "i hadn't expected you to be quite so Johnny on the spot" ,the two stories revolves around vengeance and hatred (Johnny & V ) towards the strongest symbols of the dictatorship "Arasaka and the corporations" So my take on my perfect ending would the Solo raid on Arasaka, to me this is the most positive ending, less friend's death, Johnny and V get their revenge on Arasaka, heck we even end up avenging David's & Jackie by killing Adam Smasher. we die but in a positive way, on our terms.
I've always thought the Secret Ending was the best ending. The Nomad ending leaves V the happiest, but that entire raid really ends up proving Johnny was right. So many people get killed, whereas the Secret ending leaves all of V's friends alive and well.
Your theory is very reasonable and logical. I like and appreciate the rationality of your reasoning. It is true that tragedy and drama are the core of cyberpunk, so I will put forward a point to counter you (without any malice). If V Being able to have a second living identity without any damage, then V's story is equivalent to the end of the entire cyberpunk world. This will make changes for this series in response to this innovation. If CDPR intends to continue this IP, this will be important for the series. The following story of the second protagonist or V is not helpful at all (but my instructions are based on speculation about the game industry, which is different from what the players think). If I were a writer/if I came up with the next series, I would have to let V dies completely, and is a "person" who may be forgotten, just like "Devid", participating in the world of Cyberpunk 2, or like a game "prototype", generating different values and conflicts, etc. to complete. So V must die in order to extend the series. Unless this is a "bold" move by CDPR that allows players to experience future updates such as the "perfect ending",if is.. hope that in 6 to 8 years this new series will not have much direct relationship with 2077 and will focus on a different region, Different story. I think this is a more difficult challenge for players/writers/game developers/marketing. But hey ~nice Theory of what V really can do ,will be a step for us to get closer to the creators' ideas and closer to the truth.
Thank you for the compliments. Always appreciate hearing different perspectives on this kind of stuff. And I respect your efforts to ensure non-hostility. I didn't intend for any hostility in my presentation, so I hope that any forcefulness on my part didn't come off that way. I definitely get where you're coming from. Continuing the franchise will probably involve V being forgotten and disappearing. But I disagree with the idea that the only way to actually do this is for V to die. Having V staying alive wouldn't end Cyberpunk's storyline. The Cyberpunk universe was always a massive setting with a ton of room for lots of different stories and different character arcs down the line. As for whether it would be too much of a change for the lore and the in-universe side of things, I think it's a little late to worry about that. Because the Relic 2.0 already exists regardless of what happens to V and the game can already end with Saburo Arasaka rising from the dead in a younger body regardless of whether V lives or dies. And V staying alive doesn't actually preclude him/her being forgotten. All the endings in the game already make it clear that even if V is still alive, no one back in Night City ever sees them again. This is hardly new for Cyberpunk as a franchise either. One of the franchise's most iconic characters Morgan Blackhand - who arguably did more damage and accomplished more than V ever did - completely vanished off the map and faded into obscurity. Making way for an entire story about the next generation of legends and the rise of V in 2077. We know for a fact that he's still alive within the franchise. But in no way does this somehow preclude making new stories. And the same could be said for V. They could easily make a bunch of different sequels where V is only mentioned. V just being alive would in no way interfere with a new protagonist or a new character. Sure. Players might be asking to see V again. And some creators might be worried about fan backlash. But they kind of already opened the door to that with the fact that none of the endings to the game actually showed V dying. And in fact, all of the endings except for the actual Suicide ending go out of their way to make room for optimism. This looks like a gargantuan nightmare of text and I hope reading it isn't too painful, but these are just my personal takes on the matter.
IMO , i think their save for sequel , my reason might be not make sense , but i believe Mr.Blue Eyes is not just replace character that's have Model Morgan Blackhand face. Too many clue is lead to Rogue AI or Wild AI beyond the black wall such as (Person that's have deal with Song So Mi on the moon that's song is describe them that's have Blue Eyes, Grand Heist that's set up on the moon by Blues eyes , Side Mission of Mayor Jefferson Peralez ) and every time it's have Mr.Blue Eyes involve like watch from balcony from bridge and even set the gig by himself So i thing if we want to find to cure V , Mr.Blues Eyes is one of possible way , and it's might be the next plot of Cyberpunk 2 Ps. sorry for my poor grammar it's not my native language
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Hope you enjoyed the video. I definitely think that Mr. Blue Eyes is a puppet of some kind for Rogue AIs. I laid out my case for this at 45:49, but I think everything about the "blue-eyed agents" and the Rogue AIs ties back to Garry the Prophet's quest. Garry is clearly a plot device for writers to hint at a larger overall story. Every single thing he warns V about actually proves partially true. And he repeatedly hints that the people with glowing blue eyes are descended from Rogue AIs. Mr. Blue Eyes also makes some very pointed comments that show he knows what's happening to V. He also seems to be hinting he has a "reward" for V when everything is set and done in the Legend endings that might actually be a way to survive. Granted, I think that Mr. Blue Eyes is just as likely as Arasaka - if not more - to take advantage of V in that scenario. They already have the means to mind-control the mayor of Night City. So if they helped V at all, it would probably be just to give themselves a very well-connected and skilled agent for their conspiracies.
@@EyeofCenter What's your opinion about Rouge AIs , Is it unite as one or it's have like faction among them or freedom independence ? , and every one of them want to destroy us or other purpose ? Like Blue Eyes i seems have something with the Moon United , Send So Mi to Moon , have gig on the Moon , Is Moon is AIs based or it's have something important to them
Sorry. Didn't see this until today for some reason. And one of my next videos will definitely be about what's happening in the old net. I think that Mr. Blue Eyes is a proxy for AIs that want to completely destroy and rule over the real world. Cyberpunk has basically left the door open for Cyberpunk to turn into the Matrix. Right down to the ultra-powerful robots the AIs can use to kill humans (Phantom Liberty had that one ending that involved a super-powerful robot controlled by a Rogue AI that was very reminicent of Neo awakening in the Matrix). On the other hand though, Alt Cunningham has also become a Net God of sorts. And she's clearly working against them. I'm pretty sure I put a little aside about this somewhere in this video, but Alt was actually the one responsible for creating the Black Wall and locking the RABID AIs away from the rest of the world. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the future Cyberpunk entries featured a war between AIs in the Net where it's Alt against the RABIDs / the non-human AIs for control of the entire Net.
You're too kind, friend. I'm very happy to hear that though. This wasn't the video I had in mind, but the editing/the scripts have been completely kicking my ass and I haven't finished my new projects yet. I see you've subscribed, so here's hoping you stay tuned.
The sidestory with the AIs behind the Black Wall has the potential to be one of the most interesting changes in the entire Cyberpunk series. Next CP video will probably be about that and Mr. Blue Eyes
I really agree that the relic would save V. Because first Johnny was out of the picture after the Star or Legend endings. Since there's no Johnny anymore to overwrite V's consciousness, it's just V which would overwrite V? Also, since no matter what there is someone who I think can make another relic but would require the Aldecaldos help to procure one it's Judy. Judy has a potential in robotics, but since she's new she won't be able to do that alone so, with Judy's expertise regarding bots and a bit of the Aldecaldo's ingenuity they would be able to create their own version of a relic (but the tradeoff since its a dystopian themed game at least to be fair is like maybe a daily check up or maintenance from one of the Aldecaldos or Judy just to be fair that V can be powerful but not too powerful since he retained the relic and Songbird has tampered with it as well making V somewhat powerful like a zombie virus and you need medications but this one not becoming some sort of cyberpsycho if that makes sense). The point still remains that I believe V would still have the relic and that supposed "cure" that he/she were looking for is NOT IN NIGHT CITY it is either him/her adapting or a new relic or embracing the old relic itself and would just send V to some sort of reset since there is no Johnny to overwrite V.
I think the key is in the way the other characters describe the Relic. The problem is that Alt can only stop the Relic wherever it is at the end of the game but can't do anything to reverse the physical changes. If the idea is supposed to be that it can completely restructure a person's brain (and what would also have to be important parts of the rest of the body like the immune system) to turn that person into its "engram," then installing a new Relic that's primed for V's engram should "smooth over" the changes made by the Johnny-Relic.
@@alkon8032 The best outcome for V would be the Nomads and their StormTech allies. Not only would StormTech be more than happy to get their hands on the Relic blueprints, but they actually have friendly relationships with the Nomads and an active interest in helping them.
I think Orion is going to take place during the 5th corporate war and don’t fear the reaper is the ending. I feel we are going to be V once again, V is our gate into Cyber punk yes I understand it’s RPG but so is The Witcher. They can’t leave us with these ambiguous endings. Just speculation but it makes a whole lot of sense because The Star and Don’t fear (the reaper) are the only two that make sense and the ending might be the life paths that we choose in the next game and how we start, I don’t think V’s going out just yet.
This would be an interesting direction. And I definitely think that Phantom Liberty would absolutely set V up to be involved in whatever the NUS and Militech do next. So if I was right about this being some sort of hint in the original game, then this is definitely something they could do.
Meh. I thought the Panam ending was already really happy. Just look at how V talks in it. V also got rid of the bullet necklace instead of losing it like the PL endings. The way I see it, V doesn't need to finish the story with a cure. I consider it as an open ended ending. V didn't get a cure but people never talk about how Alt gave V the means to find a cure. V is no longer a regular person. V is now permanently an engram only occupying the original body. Nobody talks about how V as an engram can transfer their conciousness easily into another body or even jump into cyber space like how Alt and Bartmoss did. V's body can die but as an engram, there's so many possibilities.
Transferring bodies would definitely still require a new Relic. One of the problems they introduced in Cyberpunk V3 / Cybergeneration was that Soulkiller could only put a person back in their actual body like Alt was trying to do when Johnny disconnected her from the computer systems in Never Fade Away. Alt tried creating cloned bodies for herself, but there was no way for her to place her consciousness in these bodies. But now that the new Cyberpunk canon introduces the Relic 2.0, they could use it to get around that issue entirely. But personally, I think the way they explained and wrote the Relic, a new Relic configured for V's current engram after Johnny gets removed would easily be able to "smooth over" the damage done by the Johnny-Relic and fix V's current body.
I played this game since the beginning but I never made videos. Some people just like content more than making it. If you're growing followers appreciate it :)
I was gonna do that, but I found an old save from 1.6 that makes me want to play the entire game again. I used the Respector mod to basically create my own version of New Game Plus and I can use that save to start that all over again in 2.1. I'll make this a whole new "series" of videos pretty soon.
I always wondered why they couldn't just copy V unto another chip and install them in their old body.🤔 It's nice to hear an AI😅 actually putting words to it😊 So this is just my imaginary cannon ending😊
Really don't like how people say that "V kills and trades J.S. life for their measily 6 months of existance prolonged and its a bad thing and a dick move". Like, excuse me, J.S. is a definition of a parasite, invading someone else's body and leechign of it. Who cares if it will give him full life, that life aint his, period. Als he is jsut and old asshole from prehistoric times that clings to them as if they are still relevant. He was and is and will be a useless outsider if he takes over.
True. Johnny has his issues. And the "life" he gains isn't his to begin with. But that's why Johnny was so willing to die to begin with. In the beginning (when everyone still thought the Relic could work as intended and overwrite V completely), he could have decided to just wait for V to slowly disappear and then take over. But he chooses to help V and expresses guilt about the fact that he's actually responsible for V dying. To me, this was one of the things that made leaving Johnny in Mikoshi such a sad ending. I was more making a point about that and how V even surviving the game at all comes at a cost (therefore killing the idea that this would somehow be a genre-breaking "happy ending). Whether you think V was right or wrong for sacrificing Johnny, this is something V can express guilt about and will weigh on V for the rest of his/her life. And this is just one of the reasons why the idea that V being cured is too much of a "happy ending" is just ridiculous.
Johnny isn't 'alive' anyway. Here's one thing people seem to miss CONSTANTLY about Mikoshi, Soulkiller and the relic: V does not 'die' if Johnny takes over, V's brain is just rewritten to host Johnny's memories and 'personality', but V's consciousness will ALWAYS exist. Johnny is not alive, he's not 'real', he's some code that's being uploaded into V's brain. Soulkiller does not 'kill the soul' unless the intended target is flatlined or 'unplugged' whilst jacked in. Johnny kills Alt by disconnecting her, and Alt's 'engram' was left alone in cyberspace. If Alt returned to her body, as in, Johnny didn't unplug her, then Alt's consciousness would have continued as normal, but instead her consciousness was killed outright. If Johnny takes V's body, V is still in control, they just now believe that they are Johnny Silverhand. I don't understand how people constantly overlook this fact, when it's explained to us several times over the course of the game.
This guy is every DM's worst nightmare.
LOL.
I thought long and hard about this too. If V's memory and personality was turned into an Engram at the end. Why isn't it possible to reinsert V into their own body vea a new biochip, then cause a traumatic injury to trigger the New Biochips repair function. Thus reconfiguring Vs brain to the New Engram as well as her DNA.
This is what is happening during the course of the game. The Biochip is reconfiguring Vs body to Johnys engram. Couldn't the reverse also occur.
More so why wasn't there an ending where Johny and Vs engrams merge together?
If the game is about survival, but at the cost of yourself. Why wasn't that the devil ending. You live but as a corporate puppet...
Why wasn't the Difficult Tower ending thus, were you and Johny form a symbiosis?
Very glad to see I wasn't alone in thinking this. The way the Relic was explained, this seemed like what they were going for. First time around, I thought for sure this would be a big part of the ending. But based on how the game can end, there's nothing stopping V from trying this down the line.
I think that is what Alt did. V is now permanently an engram. The problem is the original body is beyond repair due to the changes made by the relic. What V needs is a new body. Saburo did it. He used his son, Yorinobu, as a vessel. It was explained genetic compatibility ensures the body accepts the relic without damage. Guess what, cloning is canon in cyberpunk. Biotechnica specializes in it. They make brain dead clones.
I can easily see V doing a gig for biotechnica with the price of getting a cloned brain dead body only to transfer their engram into it to live. And that's just one possibility. What about full borg conversion? Also completely canon. V gets a new full borg body to contain their engram. There's probably a few other ways.
@@ixiahj Yorinobu himself was a cloned body with a Secure your Soul prototype installed. it's one of the options from The Guns Silenced, made cannon by the game. That's why Saburo could take him over. The body was made for it, not because of genetic compatibility. This is purely my opinion and impression based on what i saw in the game.
@@alexhulea2735 So Yorinobu was never Saburo's son, but a clone? Still makes sense.
@@ixiahj yorinobu until september 2022 was saburo's bio-son. in september kei killed him (probably by soulkiller) and put the engram in Arasaka HQ. The Millitech team can clone him a body and put him in it. that has become cannon. Arasaka's research has been into prolonging Saburo's life even before 2023 it seems.
Mr.Blue eyes makes 1 appearance in PL only in the So MI ending. He just happens to be at the airport watching Songbird, the only (other) person known to have been fully controlled by Rogue AI. Interesting indeed. I think Blue Eyes will 100% be in the sequel and i think the sequel will be about the fall of the black wall because regardless of the ending, dead or alive escaped or not, Songbird or her body pose an incredible threat if not contained. Walking bomb as she's described in PL. The reed ending and her going to Cenosure and releasing ai like Cerberus really shows this.
Yeah. I tried to show that in this video. I say "tried" because the footage I recorded was godawful. But I think that Songbird is a perfect target for Mr. Blue Eyes and the implications of what he's up to in-game. She had access to all sorts of NUS secrets which she had to give him before he would arrange her trip to the moon and she has unparalleled Netrunner skills. Then there's the fact that she's been a host to a Rogue AI and is carrying the Cynosure device.
From what i can tell, Johnny's relic was an earlier and unstable version of what Hanako uses to resurrect her father. it needs to be kept in very strict conditions, while Saburo's is just kept in a pocket. Hanako spent 50+ years trying to recreate the 2013 enhanced Soulkiller, while Spider Murphy had a better one in 2023, and used the thing on Kei Arasaka and Johnny. WIthout all the rambling...... I too believe that V can be put on a Relic and into his own body. All it takes is a talented Techie or Netrunner to do it. Black Dog even hints that Alt at least is back in meat space. Angel is a dead ringer for Alt, and she just got Johnny's body, with the Engram-on-a-chip still inside :3
Great point. I hadn't even thought about the Relic's storage conditions. As for Soulkiller, Cyberpunk RED already confirmed that Hanako and Arasaka have a different version of Soulkiller. It's supposed to be a unique version they developed as of RED that copies an engram without killing the original subject.
And I definitely think Black Dog was hinting at Angel being an Alt Cunningham clone. This was a huge plot point in Cyberpunk v3 / Cybergeneration. One of the next videos I'll put together about Cyberpunk is about Alt and what she's doing in the Old Net. But they definitely made room for the fact that there could be more than one Alt Cunningham running around out there. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're setting up for future projects.
@@EyeofCenter Leaving aside of course that whatever the VDB call up from beyond the Blackwall isn't actually Alt, but something that probably ate one of the pieces Spider Murphy chucked into the Net when the data suitcase got wrecked. It even says so (i'm merely using her engramatic data). I for one, in my Red campaign have Angel BE Alt (a clone ofc) and be someone from a character's backstory that can pop up if i feel like it
@@alexhulea2735 I've heard that theory before. I try to avoid watching other theories, but I remember the video that started that theory and personally, I'm not convinced at all that this isn't Alt Cunningham. This is just my personal take (and I'll make another video about it, because I'll probably butcher this shortened explanation just trying to type it out in a comment), but I think that line was completely misinterpreted. The person making that video about how Alt might not be Alt theorized 2077 Alt was actually an AI called Zero-One (or something like that), but the book excerpts he showed in the video clearly says that AI simply destroyed other AIs. There's no indication it consumes or impersonates the AIs it killed. And a Netrunner of Alt's skills would definitely be able to avoid being killed by a single AI.
More importantly though, the Alt AI was introduced as Alt Cunningham all throughout Cyberpunk RED and there was never any indication she was "eating" other AIs or falsifying her identity. In fact, her intentions were much more benign and totally different from what V is accusing her of when he meets her. Alt never says she'll consume or destroy the Mikoshi AIs. She specifically says that she's going to "assimilate" them with herself. And Alt actually laughs at V in one of their dialogues and muses whether V "thinks she's a demon who signs blood pacts and hurts innocents." She never bothers to defend herself because V and what he thinks is worth less than dirt to her, but I think this was her way of hinting that V's impressions of her are wrong.
The AI Alt Cunningham from the 2020s all the way to the 2040s was actually building a network of "Ghost AIs" by gathering up as many Soulkilled people as she could and building "sanctuaries" for them. But as far as the Cyberpunk tabletop books, there's no indication that Alt was "eating" other AIs. In fact, I don't see how that would benefit her. What's more likely (in MY opinion, at least) is that she's connecting herself and all those AIs together into one network that has substantially more reach than she'd have alone. In a sense, she's both Alt AND something new. Something like the Major from Ghost in the Shell after she merges with the Puppet Master times a thousand. And we already know that CP2077 took more than one inspiration from Ghost in the Shell.
Hell why did Jackie take out the engram he should have let it in there and see what a disaster it would have been
@@EyeofCenter AIs merging reminds me more of the end of Neuromancer, where the 2 halves merge and become SOMETHING, that decides to go somewhere else, but by the time of Count Zero, there are AIs possessing people's implants, one being a girl born with defects that her father corrects with implants designed i assume by an AI
i really dont understand the argument that happy endings do not fit the cyberpunk genre. sure, the main premise is (to put it simply), "high tech, low life", but every genre has has variety of endings that have been written. theres no reason the cyberpunk genre should be an exception to this. if anything, more variety will only HELP the genre evolve. you were spot on about that.
Definitely. There are plenty of examples of cyberpunk stories with fairly positive endings well before Cyberpunk 2077 ever existed. The idea this is "wrong for the genre" is quite honestly just nonsense.
Yes, happy endings can fit I to anything.
I don't really have an opinion about a "Happy Ending" on a Cyberpunk universe , it's true that most of the time it always end up badly for the protagonist, friends or even familly. so as you said it's all about the positive & negative effect of these endings
but yeah, they could at least try to cure V by reprogramming the relic or make a new one,, it's kinda hard to see that in Cyberpunk they back up saves with all the advanced technology in there.
I have played this game since it came out and i did noticed despite it's a Cyberpunk type universe , 2077 story is heavily inspired by "V for Vendetta" , easter eggs, achievement, both Protagonist are named V ( in V for Vendetta there is a Women named Valerie like the Female V ) , V in the movie even say something like "i hadn't expected you to be quite so Johnny on the spot" ,the two stories revolves around vengeance and hatred (Johnny & V ) towards the strongest symbols of the dictatorship "Arasaka and the corporations"
So my take on my perfect ending would the Solo raid on Arasaka, to me this is the most positive ending, less friend's death, Johnny and V get their revenge on Arasaka, heck we even end up avenging David's & Jackie by killing Adam Smasher. we die but in a positive way, on our terms.
I've always thought the Secret Ending was the best ending. The Nomad ending leaves V the happiest, but that entire raid really ends up proving Johnny was right. So many people get killed, whereas the Secret ending leaves all of V's friends alive and well.
Your theory is very reasonable and logical. I like and appreciate the rationality of your reasoning. It is true that tragedy and drama are the core of cyberpunk, so I will put forward a point to counter you (without any malice). If V Being able to have a second living identity without any damage, then V's story is equivalent to the end of the entire cyberpunk world. This will make changes for this series in response to this innovation. If CDPR intends to continue this IP, this will be important for the series. The following story of the second protagonist or V is not helpful at all (but my instructions are based on speculation about the game industry, which is different from what the players think). If I were a writer/if I came up with the next series, I would have to let V dies completely, and is a "person" who may be forgotten, just like "Devid", participating in the world of Cyberpunk 2, or like a game "prototype", generating different values and conflicts, etc. to complete.
So V must die in order to extend the series. Unless this is a "bold" move by CDPR that allows players to experience future updates such as the "perfect ending",if is.. hope that in 6 to 8 years this new series will not have much direct relationship with 2077 and will focus on a different region, Different story. I think this is a more difficult challenge for players/writers/game developers/marketing.
But hey ~nice Theory of what V really can do ,will be a step for us to get closer to the creators' ideas and closer to the truth.
Thank you for the compliments. Always appreciate hearing different perspectives on this kind of stuff. And I respect your efforts to ensure non-hostility. I didn't intend for any hostility in my presentation, so I hope that any forcefulness on my part didn't come off that way. I definitely get where you're coming from. Continuing the franchise will probably involve V being forgotten and disappearing. But I disagree with the idea that the only way to actually do this is for V to die.
Having V staying alive wouldn't end Cyberpunk's storyline. The Cyberpunk universe was always a massive setting with a ton of room for lots of different stories and different character arcs down the line. As for whether it would be too much of a change for the lore and the in-universe side of things, I think it's a little late to worry about that. Because the Relic 2.0 already exists regardless of what happens to V and the game can already end with Saburo Arasaka rising from the dead in a younger body regardless of whether V lives or dies.
And V staying alive doesn't actually preclude him/her being forgotten. All the endings in the game already make it clear that even if V is still alive, no one back in Night City ever sees them again. This is hardly new for Cyberpunk as a franchise either. One of the franchise's most iconic characters Morgan Blackhand - who arguably did more damage and accomplished more than V ever did - completely vanished off the map and faded into obscurity. Making way for an entire story about the next generation of legends and the rise of V in 2077. We know for a fact that he's still alive within the franchise. But in no way does this somehow preclude making new stories. And the same could be said for V. They could easily make a bunch of different sequels where V is only mentioned. V just being alive would in no way interfere with a new protagonist or a new character.
Sure. Players might be asking to see V again. And some creators might be worried about fan backlash. But they kind of already opened the door to that with the fact that none of the endings to the game actually showed V dying. And in fact, all of the endings except for the actual Suicide ending go out of their way to make room for optimism.
This looks like a gargantuan nightmare of text and I hope reading it isn't too painful, but these are just my personal takes on the matter.
IMO , i think their save for sequel , my reason might be not make sense , but i believe Mr.Blue Eyes is not just replace character that's have Model Morgan Blackhand face.
Too many clue is lead to Rogue AI or Wild AI beyond the black wall such as (Person that's have deal with Song So Mi on the moon that's song is describe them that's have Blue Eyes, Grand Heist that's set up on the moon by Blues eyes , Side Mission of Mayor Jefferson Peralez ) and every time it's have Mr.Blue Eyes involve like watch from balcony from bridge and even set the gig by himself
So i thing if we want to find to cure V , Mr.Blues Eyes is one of possible way , and it's might be the next plot of Cyberpunk 2
Ps. sorry for my poor grammar it's not my native language
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. Hope you enjoyed the video. I definitely think that Mr. Blue Eyes is a puppet of some kind for Rogue AIs. I laid out my case for this at 45:49, but I think everything about the "blue-eyed agents" and the Rogue AIs ties back to Garry the Prophet's quest. Garry is clearly a plot device for writers to hint at a larger overall story. Every single thing he warns V about actually proves partially true. And he repeatedly hints that the people with glowing blue eyes are descended from Rogue AIs.
Mr. Blue Eyes also makes some very pointed comments that show he knows what's happening to V. He also seems to be hinting he has a "reward" for V when everything is set and done in the Legend endings that might actually be a way to survive. Granted, I think that Mr. Blue Eyes is just as likely as Arasaka - if not more - to take advantage of V in that scenario. They already have the means to mind-control the mayor of Night City. So if they helped V at all, it would probably be just to give themselves a very well-connected and skilled agent for their conspiracies.
@@EyeofCenter What's your opinion about Rouge AIs , Is it unite as one or it's have like faction among them or freedom independence ? , and every one of them want to destroy us or other purpose ?
Like Blue Eyes i seems have something with the Moon United , Send So Mi to Moon , have gig on the Moon , Is Moon is AIs based or it's have something important to them
Sorry. Didn't see this until today for some reason. And one of my next videos will definitely be about what's happening in the old net. I think that Mr. Blue Eyes is a proxy for AIs that want to completely destroy and rule over the real world. Cyberpunk has basically left the door open for Cyberpunk to turn into the Matrix. Right down to the ultra-powerful robots the AIs can use to kill humans (Phantom Liberty had that one ending that involved a super-powerful robot controlled by a Rogue AI that was very reminicent of Neo awakening in the Matrix).
On the other hand though, Alt Cunningham has also become a Net God of sorts. And she's clearly working against them. I'm pretty sure I put a little aside about this somewhere in this video, but Alt was actually the one responsible for creating the Black Wall and locking the RABID AIs away from the rest of the world. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the future Cyberpunk entries featured a war between AIs in the Net where it's Alt against the RABIDs / the non-human AIs for control of the entire Net.
why so many dislikes? This is one of the best cyberpunk contents I've ever seen. Subbed.
You're too kind, friend. I'm very happy to hear that though. This wasn't the video I had in mind, but the editing/the scripts have been completely kicking my ass and I haven't finished my new projects yet. I see you've subscribed, so here's hoping you stay tuned.
Del is there at the start of the game, and he tells us hes from beyond the blackwall. Prolly lots of AIs loose in the world.
The sidestory with the AIs behind the Black Wall has the potential to be one of the most interesting changes in the entire Cyberpunk series. Next CP video will probably be about that and Mr. Blue Eyes
I really agree that the relic would save V. Because first Johnny was out of the picture after the Star or Legend endings. Since there's no Johnny anymore to overwrite V's consciousness, it's just V which would overwrite V? Also, since no matter what there is someone who I think can make another relic but would require the Aldecaldos help to procure one it's Judy.
Judy has a potential in robotics, but since she's new she won't be able to do that alone so, with Judy's expertise regarding bots and a bit of the Aldecaldo's ingenuity they would be able to create their own version of a relic (but the tradeoff since its a dystopian themed game at least to be fair is like maybe a daily check up or maintenance from one of the Aldecaldos or Judy just to be fair that V can be powerful but not too powerful since he retained the relic and Songbird has tampered with it as well making V somewhat powerful like a zombie virus and you need medications but this one not becoming some sort of cyberpsycho if that makes sense).
The point still remains that I believe V would still have the relic and that supposed "cure" that he/she were looking for is NOT IN NIGHT CITY it is either him/her adapting or a new relic or embracing the old relic itself and would just send V to some sort of reset since there is no Johnny to overwrite V.
I think the key is in the way the other characters describe the Relic. The problem is that Alt can only stop the Relic wherever it is at the end of the game but can't do anything to reverse the physical changes. If the idea is supposed to be that it can completely restructure a person's brain (and what would also have to be important parts of the rest of the body like the immune system) to turn that person into its "engram," then installing a new Relic that's primed for V's engram should "smooth over" the changes made by the Johnny-Relic.
@EyeofCenter I have to rewatch the video again. Yeah, he/she needs to die. But who do you think should construct the new relic?
@@alkon8032 The best outcome for V would be the Nomads and their StormTech allies. Not only would StormTech be more than happy to get their hands on the Relic blueprints, but they actually have friendly relationships with the Nomads and an active interest in helping them.
I think Orion is going to take place during the 5th corporate war and don’t fear the reaper is the ending. I feel we are going to be V once again, V is our gate into Cyber punk yes I understand it’s RPG but so is The Witcher. They can’t leave us with these ambiguous endings. Just speculation but it makes a whole lot of sense because The Star and Don’t fear (the reaper) are the only two that make sense and the ending might be the life paths that we choose in the next game and how we start, I don’t think V’s going out just yet.
This would be an interesting direction. And I definitely think that Phantom Liberty would absolutely set V up to be involved in whatever the NUS and Militech do next. So if I was right about this being some sort of hint in the original game, then this is definitely something they could do.
Meh. I thought the Panam ending was already really happy. Just look at how V talks in it. V also got rid of the bullet necklace instead of losing it like the PL endings.
The way I see it, V doesn't need to finish the story with a cure. I consider it as an open ended ending. V didn't get a cure but people never talk about how Alt gave V the means to find a cure. V is no longer a regular person. V is now permanently an engram only occupying the original body. Nobody talks about how V as an engram can transfer their conciousness easily into another body or even jump into cyber space like how Alt and Bartmoss did. V's body can die but as an engram, there's so many possibilities.
Transferring bodies would definitely still require a new Relic. One of the problems they introduced in Cyberpunk V3 / Cybergeneration was that Soulkiller could only put a person back in their actual body like Alt was trying to do when Johnny disconnected her from the computer systems in Never Fade Away. Alt tried creating cloned bodies for herself, but there was no way for her to place her consciousness in these bodies. But now that the new Cyberpunk canon introduces the Relic 2.0, they could use it to get around that issue entirely.
But personally, I think the way they explained and wrote the Relic, a new Relic configured for V's current engram after Johnny gets removed would easily be able to "smooth over" the damage done by the Johnny-Relic and fix V's current body.
the robot voice effect gets annoying way fast, sorry
i love my cyberpunk lore but can't sit through that.
Not for everyone. I get it. Thanks for watching anyways.
I played this game since the beginning but I never made videos. Some people just like content more than making it. If you're growing followers appreciate it
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Thanks for the support. Glad you enjoyed the video. Hope you like the next one.
What happened to phantom play through ?!
I was gonna do that, but I found an old save from 1.6 that makes me want to play the entire game again. I used the Respector mod to basically create my own version of New Game Plus and I can use that save to start that all over again in 2.1. I'll make this a whole new "series" of videos pretty soon.
I always wondered why they couldn't just copy V unto another chip and install them in their old body.🤔
It's nice to hear an AI😅 actually putting words to it😊
So this is just my imaginary cannon ending😊
Seemed like the best solution. Shame we never got to explore it in-game.
Really don't like how people say that "V kills and trades J.S. life for their measily 6 months of existance prolonged and its a bad thing and a dick move". Like, excuse me, J.S. is a definition of a parasite, invading someone else's body and leechign of it. Who cares if it will give him full life, that life aint his, period. Als he is jsut and old asshole from prehistoric times that clings to them as if they are still relevant. He was and is and will be a useless outsider if he takes over.
True. Johnny has his issues. And the "life" he gains isn't his to begin with. But that's why Johnny was so willing to die to begin with. In the beginning (when everyone still thought the Relic could work as intended and overwrite V completely), he could have decided to just wait for V to slowly disappear and then take over. But he chooses to help V and expresses guilt about the fact that he's actually responsible for V dying. To me, this was one of the things that made leaving Johnny in Mikoshi such a sad ending.
I was more making a point about that and how V even surviving the game at all comes at a cost (therefore killing the idea that this would somehow be a genre-breaking "happy ending). Whether you think V was right or wrong for sacrificing Johnny, this is something V can express guilt about and will weigh on V for the rest of his/her life. And this is just one of the reasons why the idea that V being cured is too much of a "happy ending" is just ridiculous.
Johnny isn't 'alive' anyway. Here's one thing people seem to miss CONSTANTLY about Mikoshi, Soulkiller and the relic: V does not 'die' if Johnny takes over, V's brain is just rewritten to host Johnny's memories and 'personality', but V's consciousness will ALWAYS exist. Johnny is not alive, he's not 'real', he's some code that's being uploaded into V's brain. Soulkiller does not 'kill the soul' unless the intended target is flatlined or 'unplugged' whilst jacked in. Johnny kills Alt by disconnecting her, and Alt's 'engram' was left alone in cyberspace. If Alt returned to her body, as in, Johnny didn't unplug her, then Alt's consciousness would have continued as normal, but instead her consciousness was killed outright.
If Johnny takes V's body, V is still in control, they just now believe that they are Johnny Silverhand. I don't understand how people constantly overlook this fact, when it's explained to us several times over the course of the game.