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Ok
I AM EARLY
you are a cool guy you know that? super cool!
You gotta look into the over sexualized bike tok stuff too. Some of it is truly foul 😭
The golden retriever biker is a minor I believe. Hence the "pg" and "Innocence" comments
As someone who reads books and is on booktok, it’s… interesting. There’s the wholesome side, then there’s the… *other side.*
the other side is one way to put it 😭💀
The dark side 💀
Ngl, every Fandom/tok genre has "the other side"😂
The…h0rny side😭
@NotVille_LMFAO SPAMMER
i feel like booktok is for grown women who weren’t introduced to crazy wattpad stories at the age of 12. it takes a lot to unlearn how to romanticize this behavior but romanticizing abuse of any kind is just so strange.
Not everyone is into reading boring puritan vanilla shit. Just cause some bitches like reading dark romances does not mean that's what they want irl
Or perhaps some people have adaptive preferences and that’s okay too.
I've been saying this forever. Literally just people who didn't have a fanfic phase
@@stormofconquest i mean not if ur asking random men to abuse u. ur part of the problem too
Idk why people continuously try to apply this to real life. I mean people who play shooting games, aren't shooting real people. Keep in mind these are grown women, with a job, a relationship. I don't think writing about these things is suddenly going to change them into masochists who want to be abused.
I hate this mentality. I understand that such content aimed at young folks CAN be harmful. But pls, its fiction.
Cooper doesn't give goldren retreiver energy, he gives orange cat energy
real
That is so very accurate
YES!
Yes 😭🤣
B R O I've been trying to put my finger on what it was and orange cat is exactly it!!! Absolutely unbridled chaos 😂
As a booktok girlie, we sincerely apologise for the behavior of these delulu girls and just wanted to let you know that we don’t claim the bikers, nor the masked creeps 😊
as another booktok girlie I would like to second this 😊 the behavior of a lot of the women is disgusting
As another booktok girlie...I third that....Those women really need Help wtf
As another booktok girly I'd like to say we do not know or claim any of the women who partake in such behavior
As a biker I’m sorry for the weirdos :( I just like motorcycles
I'm so tired of booktok being so horny wtf 💀
the "golden retriever" guy is literally sixteen, and all of these adults practically fetishizing "innocence" is so disgusting
I wouldn’t say they fetishized it. They joked and laughed at it. They aren’t like pedos wanting a 12 yo innocent virgin.
@@bwines16they’re still pretty weird for that
Bro I’m a teen and the idea of grown adult strangers online thirsting after anyone my age or even one of my friends is terrifying!
That's an uncomfortable fact to know holy shi
I mean, what else could've we expected since so much stuff they read fetichize innocence and childlike attributes in their (usually female) characters?
Can we talk about how INSANE it is that the golden retriever biker is a teenager, a literal minor, and that MOSTLY ADULT WOMEN, GROWN ASS WOMEN are just telling him "omg you're so innocent" "you've been adopted" etc? It seems so weird to me lol
AND ALSO THEY RECOMMENDED HIM BOOKS ABOUT KIDNAPPING, SA AND OTHER INTENSE SHIT WHEN HE SAID HE READS BOOKS? TO A LITERAL CHILD?
OH MY GOD THATS THE GUY WHOS 16!?!? WHAT THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE THINKING!?!?
That just makes it 10x worse omfg 😭 Didn’t one of em say to keep it pg?? Like that is the complete opposite
@FilmCooper THATS LITERALLY ALSO WHAT I THOUGHT!
ALSOHIBIGFANILY
FUCKING FLABBERGASTING 😭😭
@@FilmCooperI can hear you say that in your voice Istg
The problem I see is blurring the lines of consent. I’m all for kink but the most important thing about kink is consent. You’re so right that it’s inappropriate to just drop hunting comments to strangers.
Fr im the kink type to an extent but consent is key always
@@ashdixon9902Same, and I'm like sensitive so I really hate running into non-con or straight up the r word.
@@sipi2009 right but there are reasons why ppl like c&c like it puts them in control
I think murder is wrong but there's are plenty of crime and horror novels. It's literally just fiction, the whole point is making stuff up that you're not going to do in real life.
@@Zoeeeee777 yeah the books imo arent necessarily the problem, but they are doing it in real life by going into bikers comment sections and completely ruining the biking community. idc if someone wants to read porn but you *would* keep it private and not project it onto others. its more like u reading crime and horror novels, going into peoples comment sections telling them how u want to kill them, but irl you wouldnt actually kill them, also sorry for replying even tho its like 2 months later lmao
1. As a librarian in the real world who’s never been on TikTok I am so confused by this behaviour hahaha. 2. There is such a double standard when it comes to women sexualising young men in that it’s not seen as much of a problem in comparison to older men sexualising young women. It reminds me of how there was sympathy for Millie Bobby Brown for being inappropriately sexualised while she was younger than 18 but her costar Finn Wolfhard was harassed and bullied for calling out women in their 30s who were sexualising him and refusing to take photos with women who made him uncomfortable when he was under 18. I always find it so shocking that some women behave in this way. I’m a 25 y/o cis woman and the first time I was ever catcalled I was 14 and walking home in my SCHOOL UNIFORM, I was so scared I ran all the way home after that. I would never want to make anyone feel objectified or scared, least of all a minor. The thought of young people growing up thinking this sort of behaviour is normal is so scary to me.
I was agry until the cis word just woman is ok
women does the same too harry style and his OLDER WOMEN PB
Plus just watch the kpop community...
Fr like if ur a 13-16 yr old and u got a celebrity crush on a 17-19 yr old or older thats fine like its just a crush that almost everyone goes through but if ur 25 crushing on an 17-19 yr old then U R THE PROBLEM
young people know it’s not okay at all. well most. i don’t think young women would ever because you know, we are with the times and see these double standards. WHILE OLDER WOMEN, don’t see it that way so they just do it. they have that old fashioned mind set that it’s okay for them but not men. i’m pretty sure these women are all 28-30 plus. it’s so weird honestly. EVERYONE should stop dehumanizing everyone.
Well, it's probably because it's not prevalent like men preying on young women.
@@sarahrean7174The k-pop community is mostly teens.
You should read about the booktok girlie who thirsted way to hard (boarder-line sexual harassment) after a real life hockey player because he reminded her of a book character. His wife had to make a statement and a lot of people started hating on the wife instead.
Wtf
Oh I've heard abt that one. Delusional is real
Do you have more details on this? Who was the player?
@@dahliabarnds6310the hockey player is Alex Wennberg
@@dahliabarnds6310i don't remember his name but the team he was from was the seattle krakens. i heard about it from withcindy's video if you're interested
Unfortunately they're romanticizing trauma and abuse and men are going to start thinking it's something women want and are okay with. There's a difference between spicy concensual Roleplay vs assuming all women want to be chased, cornered, and abducted.
It's too late for that, genZ has already been warped by the sexualization pushed by older generations. They think things are normal and that's how it always was, but it's reached insane levels of degeneracy, self hatred, addiction, and destructive behavior. Porn addiction is rampant and has serious physical and mental sides effects and kids find this stuff at really young ages. Then comes the part where they become bored or numb to regular porn and get into more disgusting, violent and exploitative stuff. It can ruin a person chances of a healthy relationship before they even start dating...it's really sad hearing their personal experiences, and it's pretty much ignored. Too much money to be made so the industry will quash the truth for as long as they can.
This is extremely, extremely niche. And I view these videos as being playful and non-serious. I doubt any of them plan to ever kidnap someone, but they are referencing it because it's a common trope in a lot of dark romances.
Tbh I don't think it alone is responsible for it. You get the Andrew tate bois and they see this weird shit from edgelord teen girls and that combined makes them think that's what women want.
They're gonna hurt people and get hurt and then both sides will produce incels
@@whispersinthedark88 as a zoomer (born in '03), sexuality in a lot of cases has become a lil extreme.
As you say, pr0n addiction is absolutely rampant and has destroyed a lot of peoples' sex drive or warped it to the point where guys will have a hard time getting it up and then fall into a performance anxiety death-spiral and just be completely broken about it for months or even years and that need for dopamine drives them back to the easy, artificial fix of pr0n. I can't speak for the effect on that for the recipient (Girl, boy, other etc.) since I don't have the personal perspective of that specifically happening to me (context; I'm a born dude who's heteroflexible).
Along side that, dating culture is broken and social media is largely to blame. You have people espousing extreme beliefs as if they are the norm, you have the pressure and anxiety of appeasing new forms of pickiness (icks and other weird, specific or sometimes just flat-out stupid provisos that are often just petty) and not to mention dating apps turning meeting someone new into an assembly line.
Not to mention there's WAY too many instances of the extreme being seen as the norm as I mentioned before. From my own experience it would have to be the "gymtok" crowd of predominantly women who pull gotchas on men for glancing their way. As someone with an issue focusing, causing my eyes to wander around wherever I am, I often find my eyes glued to some focal point like the floor or the ceiling or myself in one of the many mirrors and it's caused me to look in the opposite direction of any girl nearby just out of an, admittedly, irrational fear.
Gen Z broken, we're all scared, picky and h0rny.
@@discipleofdagon8195 Yeah my son lifts weights is about your age and has told me how that shit will happen, as well as seeing some of the ridiculous videos they post...it really is crazy.
The dating issues are one that I find myself facing now, it's like no one meets in person anymore, its totally alien to me. Online dating is a terrible mess, and meeting ppl who are looking for long-term healthy relationships and have common intrests are hard to find, so I just started making friends online who I share values with and are good ppl...but they are almost all genZ. It's a little weird but they have helped me understand just how bad things have gotten, most ppl my age and older are pretty blind to what's going on unless they are having to deal with it personally. My much younger brother got sucked into the porn rabbit hole before he was 10 and is only now in his 30's dealing with trying to reverse the damage and save his relationship. I am now so very thankful that I didn't have the money to buy my son his own computer or phone until he was older. He got to play games on Xbox so he got exposed to some things online but for the most part that was just shit talking and yelling at the TV...no harm done. But that was enough to saved him from the porn part, I didn't realize that was happening back then. And most parents don't know, they are handing kids this technology as if it's a babysitter...then they wonder what went wrong. Parents need to actually parent, but that can be hard when both parents work all the time. We have a great many things to deal with so that young ppl aren't being fed into this meat grinder, and it's only going to get worse if we don't deal with it asap.
as a sapphic woman. masquerade masks are hot, full face masks are.. ehh
It depends on the hair in a way for full face masks
Do full face ones add a good fear factor? My religious order of assassins who control the political environment of their universe switches between both full face and masquerade ones.
So which is scarier or more ominous?
They pray to the god of:misery, demons, suffering, change, assassins and he’s the surrogate god of death after the death of the first one. He just gives them information and technology forbidden by the other gods. But he gives it to them like: haha yes my people create as much chaos as possible.
@Aadya-kt6yx I mean, a full tragedy mask would probably be more ominous so you could use it when he and the followers are channelling misery, suffering(tragic), and assassins(full face more anonymity) and a masquerade mask for the more positive and/or neutral aspects like change(an ever-changing masquerade/venetian mask) and death(a more classical simple mask), for demons you should probably specify if he is a demonic god or a god that controls demons, for the first full face for the second a masquerade mask
@@doombringer1903 Full face tragedy mask for more negative aspects like misery, suffering and assassins (full face more anonymity) for the more neutral/positive masqurade masks, change(ever-changing masquerade/venetian masks) and death( more simple/single elegant masquerade mask), for the demon thing if hes a demonic god, full face, ruler/controler of demons, masquerade
Honestly the "spicy" booktok girles have a p*rn addiction - literally every review or comment is literally about how "~spicy~" a book is or asking if a book is spicy instead of the actual plot then review bomb if it's not p*rny enough for them - it unfortunately feels like people who never read wattpad or ao3 and learned boundaries on tumblr, and then to go in how they now are selling fanfics which could Cripple the whole community is an entirely different topic
I'll say it before and I'll say it again: Fanfiction communities have been mocked for enjoying smut for literal decades. But now because "normal" people are into these kinds of stories, it's cool for "booktok girlies" to support and encourage this insane behavior in real life??? Make it make sense! Like at least fanfiction stays on the page. These people are out here making content with their actual faces!
Idk why but it also irks me, when people start using fanfic tags to describe a book...
@@tappytartidk sometimes fanfiction tags tell you what a story is about better than searching through books does half the time
girl, who's supporting this behavior irl?? It's just a few ppl on TikTok being cringe and joking about their kinks. 🤣🤣🤣
THIS! Having read and seen some questionable shit on Wattpad back when I was younger (some of the questionable stuff being perfectly normal stuff for adults but _not_ for minors, which I was at the time), the difference between fanfics and Wattpad stories and smut/dark romance booktok was that neither the author's nor the reader's face was attached to it. Also, we didn't go around saying sexual/suggestive stuff to people.
Despite fanfics and Wattpad having some taboo stories (and despite some of those stories fucking me up), the one good thing about those spaces was that boundaries still existed. And most people didn't want anyone irl to know that read those kinds of books. And I kinda want that back. Not the shame or the mocking but the "keep the stuff you read about to yourself/ to your niche only" if you read stuff that might be unhealthy if it bled into real life.
I clam the bikers and the masked men
Absolutely insane that a real CHILD is being sexualized by grown women on TikTok due to “booktok” (obv not all of booktok but you know what I mean). It’s extremely unsettling and creepy. He does not need to be sexualized by a mass audience ever, let alone at the age of 16. That’s crazy.
It’s very creepy, especially when some of the grown women on there have kids of their own, and they’re sexualizing someone else’s kid. It’s disgusting.
A teen is not a child. They are however a minor and it's not okay.
@@missbeaussie a teen legally is considered a child. The term teen just signifies the stage of generalized development they’re in. But regardless yeah it isn’t ok remotely.
@missbeaussie A teen is Absolutely a child. I'm sorry you don't like it. But if you have to ask mom and dad, you are a child.
Alot of women are like this. Why do you think a different teacher is going to jail every other day for fking her students but it gets overlooked because men are the bad people right now in society.
I remember somebody saying once that those “specific” sections of booktok seem like p-hub but trying to cater towards women and I don’t think anything else has even come close to perfectly describing this crazy phenomenon
Women make better pron then 😂😂😂
Women make better pron then 😂😂😂
TikTok is the worst thing that has happened to this generation.
Agreed
Real.
Just to clarify, the kid hiding behind the chair is a minor. I believe he is 16. Booktok was harassing him. He has shared his age and even then people have still been harassing him. Her doesn't want any of that to happen. I hope this clears things up. No hate, I love your videos, just thought I'd correct you on that one part.
yess i feel so bad for him
The comments were disgustingggggg
Thank you for bringing this up! I was feeling a bit uncomfortable hearing this part since he's literally a minor
@NotVille_mid.
@NotVille_ you're so great I've never heard of you. Good job.
the problem with booktok is that the books they read and find entertaining are shallower than a flat dish. I've read fanfics about shrek written by a 14 year old with more depth and better smut than the things they read. (obviously this isn't the entirety of booktok but it is the most prevalent)
Not to mention the fact that they have crippling porn addictions (in the form of books) and use media to fuel it and sexualise and harass actual people. it's a very real problem and these women who harass men online are hardly different than men who harass women online.
Not enough people are talking about how these books are a medium for porn
Same I read one of the books 4th wing pirated and I was like this is the smut there going crazy over I read this one fanfic about Loki where he became the god of sex (ON A03) and it had more detail and a plot that carried threw the smut each chapter then that book did sure it was good I love fantasy books but I’ve seen better in fanfics
yeah. even if what the booktok girls say is less graphic and,, visceral it’s still the same shit. honestly it’s pathetic. like PLSSS GET A GRIP LADIES 😭😭😭
you are so right. I one tried reading a collen hoover book to what the fuss was about on tiktok ( i dont really read romance books) and by god was it effn terribly written. I couldnt finish the 20th page it was such a shite book. And yes wattpad 14 y/o authors can write better romance novels with skill and talent and is slightly interesting
@@ma-cr2to u shouldnt have hurt ur eyes nd soul reading colleen hoover
9:53 the boy is just 16, he's a kid 😭😭
I'm a creator on masktok and it's hard not to get totally lost in the delusion bubble.
I know what this stuff looks like from the outside. I am painfully self-aware of this shit.
But when you interact within the community, its like this little safe space where its okay to flirt around and do strange character acting.
That being said I'm also primarily on ghosttok (the band) and that must be the kindest community I've ever been in so- Don't take me word about the "safe space", I might be wrong about other parts of masktok, unsure.
Yesss!! There are DEFINITELY for certain a few scarier parts I’ve come across, like really… ANY of the Haunting Adeline books community, but I’ve also seen the exact opposite of such. Like some livestreams, and vids I’ve seen, sweetest people really. (But yes. There also is BIG cringe, in some other areas as well…)
I know especially in certain areas it is more of a safe space, but it's very few and far between on very specific creators. I've seen a couple biker boys with safe spaces, but when too much of booktok decides to show up, it just gets messy
Thank you Cooper for talking about this. As a constant book-tok watcher, I have to say it has gotten out of hand😭😭😭
Honestly like stop putting us NORMAL PEOPLE (normal for booktok at least) TO SHAME
They giving y'all a bad name, I'm so sorry 😭
As a constant bike- Tok watcher
I Agree 💯
@NotVille_ sure…
@NotVille_ maybe I will who knows
As a girl who likes masked men and bikers, they're going too far with that- like it's fine if they're silly and just doing their own goofy thing, but when they're doing stuff like this, acting like they'd kidnap or do something similar to a woman is scary tbh, like how do you know that the dude wouldn't do that to a girl he doesnt know and how do you know he wouldn't really do that irl, just my opinion on this, feel free to voice your own💙
Btw, sorry if some parts of this don't make any sense or I repeat stuff, my brain doesn't like to brain all the time-
Nah fr, I agree as a girl who likes masked men and bikers that this is wild
You're so real for that :) masked men are x2 more attractive and it's a law atp
@@katarzvna
I love the implication that women just hate men's faces
🤣🤣🤣
it's scary that some people actually get off on fantasising about getting kidnapped or sa'd/think that them roleplaying or implying they'll do it to someone is somehow hot
@@hel2727 Exactly what I think, there's a higher possibility for someone to do that if they get off to it and with how many people do, it's scary
0:04 Be honest, everyone wants a lightsaber
real
Men, woman, everybody in between, wants a lightsaber.
Yooo. 11:29 : it’s the comments of the video since I believe in his bio..he said he’s 16. WHAT THE HELL. THOSE ARE ADULT WOMEN COMMENTING ON A 16 YEAR OLD’S PERVY SHIT
Booktok is going through their“OH MY GOD MASKED (slashers, bikers, military, ect) MEN ARE SO HOT” phase, and I’m terrified they’re going to dive headfirst into the rabbit hole and get OBSESSED.
Next thing we know they’ll be writing wattpads…
they probably already do lolol
Unfortunately that’s just kindle unlimited 😔✌️
As long as they stay away from Ao3 then we’re safe
I tried Wattpad once, never again. Like- wtf...
We’ll have come full circle
as someone who reads ´dark romance´ i´d never say any of this publicly, and im cringing so hard anytime i see this type of reel/tiktok.
Gurl same You would not be able to waterboard some the sht booktok straight girlies are saying.
Fr, I read some disturbing stuff but you would never catch me bragging about it in public. In fact, you couldn’t waterboard some of this shit out of me, I can’t comprehend this level of shamelessness. 😳
Same here. I wouldn't go around making videos about this stuff 💀
Same! What happened to shame
@@Misa.misato Curiosity peaked: Guess I’m googling “dark romance” for some recommendations. 😹😹
As a booktok girl, im deeply sorry for some my smuttok friends and some of the other smuttok people acting like this
Also, i do believe 18:41 is a fanart of a character and not a real person but i could be confused
He's a real dude that cosplays as Ghost from COD and is also a male 'entertainer' in the stamp you posted is a real live video still from his page.
11:08 protection? There is nothing protective about those comments
the fact that i, a person who was on fandom tumblr circa 2013-16, am afraid of booktok says... a lot
omg, right? like, same here! we've seen some shit, and booktok is somehow worse? fandoms keep outdoing themselves
was just about to say, the aesthetic hot selfies thing was all over 2010s tumblr, now it's just made its way to tiktok
DAMN
i was mostly on the bandom part of tumblr back in 2011-2015 and i completely share your fear
same
Holy shit….as an avid reader, I hate what booktok has become
Like I understand that every community has bad people and I’m not kink shaming the smut girlies
But as a former smut girlie myself, this is really concerning
Edit: Also, I would like to add if someone is genuinely interested in reading I recommend following booktubers like “Jack Edwards” and “The clockwork reader”…..They’re awesome and suggest good books with substance
Yeah, i love their videos and humor!
I think there’s definitely a time and place for this kind of talk. In a stranger’s comment section is not the place. I know some of them are ok with having their faces attached but I would just feel mortified if anyone knew I thought that way
i love jack edwards!
same like i dont want to gatekeep reading but... i want to gatekeep reading
@@rivka_sos I’m not trying to gatekeep reading…..
If people want to read kinky books…it’s okay, it’s their choice, nothing wrong with that, I literally said that I used to do that too, but now I’ve outgrown them…..but sexualising a 16 year old boy is weird and morally wrong…..that’s where I draw the line
i've always loved reading but i genuinely hate booktok. a lot of people assume i'm trying to "gatekeep reading" when i say this (as if that was a thing??) but i genuinely love seeing others discover the joy of reading a good book. the problem starts when i see literal 12 year old girls on booktok drooling over grown ass men and internalizing all the toxic stuff these books promote. when an adult reads the books, they hopefully do that with critical sense, and they understand these situations are not okay. when a child does, they just subconsciously absorb those things as normal.
this problem did not start with booktok tho: i grew up on wattpad and ao3 and i've seen some genuinely fucked up stuff on there way earlier than i should've. the real question is why are we, adults and older teens who have had bad experiences in the past related to this type of content, incouraging younger generations to have the same experience rather than protecting them??
Most kids grow up W Wattpad Kinda normal
For half this video I thought Masktok was Masctok
The problem with one part of booktok is they literally are grown women who dont care about the safety of minors. I've seen a biker have to address people harassing his gf because booktok was going after her. A lot of the biketok community are 18-20 year olds and I'm in booktok and im over 21 and it makes me almost uncomfortable watching grown women comment the insane things at a child who literally just became an adult. There was one booktok creator I had to unfollow as she takes clips of people doing cute things on tiktok (random people) and then creates a whole "booktok" book around it and it is always hyper specific that it started to make me feel itchy and weirded out.
a booktok creator who does WHAT now 😭😭😭
Omg I did this in middle school ONCE, and I changed almost everything about their look for my style
That booktok creator was live-writing fanfiction
i think it’s older women. not young adults.
Yes! I’m a book editor and avid reader and a writer and it irks me to no end seeing the amount of adult women that don’t even think about the ages of these bikers or treat books and story like 🌽 vs what it actually is. There’s a place for the fantasy but it gets misinterpreted very quickly when you open it to the mass audiences. And it’s not the female gaze as much as it is the male gaze from a female’s perspective. It’s troublesome to say the least.
As a bisexual I go absolutely hog wild for people in masks including glamrock Freddy
Pan/Grey and feeling this so much
@NotVille_what content? LMAO
hi, local bisexual here asking the question... "is that bisexual tho?" lol, cause i'm not feeling it.
pan maybe, lol, buuut....
@NotVille_ mmm no... being annoying IS a choice though!
@NotVille_if that was the case, straight women wouldn't exist anymore 😭
I think the problem is the sharing of stuff that is sensitive, explicit and a lot of people either aren’t comfortable with or old enough to consume. It gets worse when people that are too young to understand the important difference between kink/fantasy and actual real life intimacy/romance yet get sucked into this. There ain’t nothing wrong with smut but I feel like just like all p@rn it should stay on their designated websites where you have to seek it out rather than randomly stumbling over it while looking for another wholesome fantasy novel to read.
As a Sapphic booktok reader, the side I'm on is always really good romance fantasy and just overall well thought out stories. But so many books on Booktok are just weird and it feels like the plot is thrown together after they write the weird alpha fae male smut.
No fr I read a lot of smut but I will judge it so harshly if it's poorly written or has 0 plot
My EIGHTY-THREE y/o granny used to sit under a tree, reading and swapping steamy romance novels with her four sisters and mother already back in the 1940's.
BOOKTOK, you invented nothing.
Straight book tok SCARES me sometimes- I got a romance book recommendation from there once and...never- never again. They have like a really bad obsession with dark romance which is perfectly okay as long as they can say 'that was hot on paper' and not 'oh wow i want that to be real' BECAUSE ONE IS OKAY AND THE OTHER IS CRAZY
Queer book tok is great though- Best recommendations, never got a bad book recommendation from those guys
I LOVE reading queer romance! And yes, I avoid straight 'ya' books for this reason.
If someone wrote this comment in reverse order, y'all would be going crazy
@@chilling_koalaTrue, but at the same time yaoi/bl mangas and manhwas are mostly veryyyy toxic (especially the popular ones) compared to their straight counterparts. People have raised it as a topic of concern but I think the community kinda takes it lightly or as a compliment🤷♀️
@@Supsequencemost modern bl/gl mangas are very wholesome tbh. It was mostly because of the 2010s bl/gl mangas that the stigma still remains, ofc those types of mangas still exist but some pretty wholesome titles are getting published too
I love the gays.
as someone who cosplays König I can only say that yeah.. masktok can be feral, but there is a lot of wholesome creators there
As a young reader, booktok makes me want to bleach my eyes and I am really surprised people don’t talk about it AT ALL.
Most of the booktok girls are grown women who thing that raping is cute(for example haunting Adeline. Like what the fuck? That’s not a dark romance. That’s just some shitty story that was made to satisfy people’s fantasy who obviously never heard of wattpad at the age of 12), stalking is, apparently, also cute and they don’t realise how awful everything is. They don’t realise how disrespectful they’re to the victims of assault, stalking and etc. I got stalked and nuh uh, it’s wasn’t a hot guy. I’m so tired of booktok.
I just don’t get how people can normalise such a thing. They should be ashamed for supporting it, and the writers should be ashamed for writing that type of stuff and publishing it. Especially to young readers😕
(English isn’t my first language so I’m really sorry for all mistakes in the text).
As someone who was r*ped too, I don't have an issue about people enjoying such things, but I god damn hope they can tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
I am so happy to see that women are feeling more confident in expressing their sexuality and their desires, but seeing some of these extremely dark things is kind of scary. To think that real life guys are seeing all this, and might MISUNDERSTAND it very badly is just so much more scary. Who is going to control the age/maturity of the people who make and consume this content?
I am a girl who loves to read books but hey!!! now i feel uncomfortable when sharing that i’m a reader with a guy who knows these ‘internet things’ !!
I don’t think it’s wrong to consume erotic reading material at all, but there is a responsibility you need to have as an individual towards yourself when you do that, and if you forget your limits, if you forget the distinction between reading erotica and real life….its a problem!! it is a problem for the community and for girls in general when you go and tell real life guys stuff that they can misunderstand and MISUSE!!!! horrible to become ‘fans’ of this awful behaviour
because you girls are joking/having a fun time/ just expressing healthy sexual desires….but what if the guys aren’t joking😭😭😭 what if there is so much truth in their ‘just fckin around’???
and what if some of these girls aren’t joking either??? 😭😭 there is such a sense of helplessness in me right now, especially as a young girl who loves books and likes some parts of booktok!!!
There is absolutely nothing "healthy" about these sexual desires.
I think its due to our sexuality being demonized, ridiculed, looked down and repressed in every single society which now resulted in manifesting in such horrific ways...
I was shocked at some of the fiction and fanfiction that Ive seen or partially read....
Immediately when it turned dark I stopped and never touched it again...
@@javierlopez9789 that’s true, i agree with you. that was poor phrasing on my part but i meant that it’s not wrong to have a sexuality/have desires, but THESE kinds of desires? definitely concerning for sure!!
@@xitzbit926 you truly brought up a great point😭 and i know what you mean about the fan fiction…
@@javierlopez9789I'm not into these fetishes or kinks at all, but that's all they are. FEW people actually want those things to just be sprung up on them irl. People who love horror games and movies don't want to be chased down with a knife by a serial killer (well I imagine the vast vast VAST majority don't).
I’m not concerned for the ACOTAR girlies. I’m concerned for the Haunting Adeline girlies 😭
Literally me😂 I’m reading ACOTAR series and fine with the level of smut, HA is a whole new level that I can’t even comprehend. I think the farthest I’ve been into “dark romance” is Emily McIntire but that’s it🤷🏻♀️ just gotta know the difference reality and fantasy
This. Every time I see someone freak out about how hot Haunting Adeline is I just assume they're mentally unstable. There's nothing hot or romantic about assault.
I’ve read both (Hunting Adeline being over 31yo, as an adult reading adult books). And honestly Zade’s behavior is not what made me push through HA even tho, yes, some steamy scene were sexy (guilty for liking the house of mirror scene 🙋🏻♀️). However it did not make me want to be stalked or anything because I know the difference about a woman writing for the fantasies of other women and what is an IRL abusive relationship (or the struggle it is being a woman in a world full of predators).
BUT, do I dream to be snatched away by Rhysand? Affirmative 😂 Joke aside, the smut isn’t what makes ACOTAR special. It’s the whole story and universe. Also, I like to read way more spicy books sometimes but if the writing or the storyline is bad then no thanks. Smut is the cherry on top of a good book, I would say.
THIS.
I’m a girly that is both >.
Omg the beginning is the most beautiful thing ever, thank you
i am obsessed with you 🤩 you eat up every video and leave NO crumbs i love the references you make and your so funny!☆
as a sapphic i love when people wear masks ! it’s great keeping people safe :)
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As a sapphic woman who wears a face mask still, loving the appreciation
@NotVille_ oh i’m sorry that your fatherless :/, glad my dad is still around :)
you should read the locked tomb series; there's one gal who wears a mask; she's a terrorist, but she's very funny and pretty; hope you're having a nice day !!! also, we are subscribed to a lot of the same people wowie :0 ?!?!
@@zealouslyCantankerousTHE LOCKED TOMB IS SO GOODDD 💞💞💞💞💞 i’m not really a mask person, BUT the skull face paint appeals to my inner edgy lesbian, not even to mention the fantastic writing and characters. genuinely changed my life fr
The “Golden Retriever” guy is actually still a child. I think in his bio it says his 16. And so many grown women are taking it too far with him.
just saw wonka earlier today and you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ITS SO GOOD
As a member of both communities, I've been watching this go down for months and it is GIVING
It is giving what?
As a Waittpad and Ao3 user since 11, a lot of this is just a typical Tuesday. Riding a knife handle is tame compared to the shit I've read
Seriously same. like you ain't seen nothing til you discover ovi stuff
No doubt. At this point after surviving decades in the Silmarillion fandom there's just about nothing that even makes me blink anymore.
Literally😭😭 i pray to whoever will listen that everyone i know will NEVER find out the shit i read. they would be traumatised
Right? I couldn't help but feel like a bit of a degenerate while watching this video because I've 100% read and wrote worse stuff.
hi......um.......this may not be right to do......but......could I get recommendations?👀
cooper just doesn’t realize that you can be both golden retriever baby girl and the bad boy of youtube
On a related note, I'm seeing more and more ads about audiobooks or roleplaying games that also feature disturbing content, like stories where a girl is a slave to some royalty and is getting abused. I hate getting these ads and keep blocking them...why are companies promoting this kind of shit??
The wink when you said audiobooks... I haven't felt that exposed all year, lol.
_Listen._ I’ll be the first admit that I love dipping my toe in some dom biker/toxic bad boy stories on occasion, and sometimes even some tasteful CNC roleplay/stories. I eat that ish up, *when it’s fictional.*
But the idea of real, nonfictional dudes taking advantage of those fantasies and trying to make them _real_ is where I call it. The whole appeal about dabbling in those ‘darker’ sides of fiction is that *you still have full control over the experience.* I can choose what type of story I want to experience, and if it ever gets a bit too intense I can just as easily stop reading/listening and never have to think about it again.
The act of real life men trying to make those experiences real takes away a lot of that sense of control.
I AGREE FULLY
It's a delicate line because, for the most part, the majority of people don't actually want that irl, they just want the fantasy of it, but then there's a handful of people who take it a step too far and we all pay the price for it.
We're going back to that era where people made fun of girls who liked Twilight because 1. It's a "girly" thing; 2. That one group of fanatics who make everyone look equally unhinged.
I swear, people now more than ever just don't know the lines between fiction and reality to the point that it's affecting everything and everyone
@@midnightrant7487 Great point!
That's like incel logic 101
Ok but you still need a psychiatrist asap
i think what is actually attractive is the attention the character gives, that obsessive toxic devotion (while not healthy) is often attractive to people due to not experiencing alot of affection, plus the adrenaline of the idea, the danger being mixed with excitement, these arnt healthy relationship goals, its a caricature for a toxic, adrenaline filled smut story with VERY creepy under (obvious) tones. most of the time its just people wanting some mystery and excitement who like a bit of BDSM or roleplay, and good for them! just dont bring real people into it over the internet where everyone (who may not wanna see that stuff) can see it without warning
I think Haunting Adeline would explain the kidnapping stuff as it shows that these mask/biker guys are not completely acting totally weirdly on their own. 16:18
The wink was way too smooth 20:15
my main isue with this is that booktok girls and authors romanticize books that are essentially just porn with no plot. They have themes of murder, r*pe, SA, etc. At this point there's no romance it's just dark. These books are only hyped up for their smut. If you think about it is doing exactly what the porn industry is doing just in written form;profiting off of the violence and pain of women
i mean... the author, HD Carlton, literally WORKS with sex workers. and these are workers that are not being exploited and asked to work with her and recreate these scenes. not every woman in SW is being exploited. These books and the people promoting them, like Hawk, who recreates the scenes, always show TW and tell her audience to read TW before reading the book.
To me it’s fine if you’re into that stuff but don’t praise it like it’s the best thing ever. Just say it how it is a good erotica novel and move on.
omg this but with mostly bl manhwas
Have you even read the books you're talking about? The good popular books are most definitely not "porn with no plot". They're popular because they're good stories. There's plenty of porn with no plot out there but it's not what gets people talking.
I am both a writer and occasionally go on booktok. The erotica genre taking over is both hilarious and annoying. Hilarious because of rule 34 definitely applying here and annoying because it doesn’t have to be the first thing to come to mind when discussing literature. Either way, when it comes to a community that focuses on escapism, it’s really easy to blur the lines. Just because I like a saucy scene in a book doesn’t mean I need a dude in a helmet on a vroom vroom to suddenly show up and take me. It’s not that deep but booktok is such a crazy rabbit hole to be reminded of.
"A dude in a helmet on a vroom vroom" That made me laugh XD
Not the vroom vroom 😭
I worry that my series won’t sell because it’s not smut with a plot 🥲 like it feels as if we HAVE to add a “spicy” scene & most reviews are centered on how horny the book can make them 😩
why can’t people just do things in the privacy of their own homes…why the internet…
Most of those "bikers" are really riding mopads😂
Not even, a majority are just helmet creators, and no offense for just doing that, but don't claim to be a biker if you don't even have a bike cx
Ugly is my favorite adjective. I usually use it when referring to a persons behavior. Like ‘that’s ugly of them to do’ when they nearly run me over in a cross walk
hello i have found a new term to obsess over
I went to a book fair and saw the “booktok” section and when I tell you me and my sister started laughing like mechanical robots; when we found all the book recommendations were slutty smut and they organized it from mild to spiciest!! Ngl we were tempted.
And fortunately, cooper you’re a baby girl.
This reminds me of when I found out that Spotify has a catalog of spicy audiobooks sorted the same way. A bunch of them were books I'd seen BookTubers criticizing for being misogynistic, abusive, unhealthy, etc. I've also seen some of them at Walmart. It's crazy seeing these books out in the real world.
FINALLY after months of waiting I hear about the necklaces on time before they sellout. just got one I can’t wait to wear it!!
So so glad someone finally made a video about this. now someone has to talk about the booktok thing ALL. I get some very weird ass recommendations on tiktok and Instagram reels sometimes and i don't know if they're doing it on purpose so the videos would get so much attention..? But it's freaking WILD they be romanticising abuse, sexual harassment... So many messed up shit. I'm on booktok, i read books a lot. But y'all this has gotten out of control
I wish BookTok would go back to the recommendations of books that aren't ALL about this kind of stuff. Like yeah it's nice once in a while (as a FANTASY) but I like to read other things too and it's definitely devolved into just, this. And I feel like hyper focusing on this will lead to real life consequences and implications that a lot of people on there haven't considered. I like my juicy books to stay fictional, I do not want any of that translating to real life. Ever.
I actually just saw Wonka with my family and it was so cute I cried several times. It’s adorable and I absolutely recommend seeing it.
Was it? I’m wanting to watch the movie but I have PTSD from the whole Tim Burton Charlie and the Chocolate Factory thing (the original was better and less… creepy? Weird? Unnerving? It’s something but idk what)
fr it was so sweet and magical i loved it
@@dream_walker9726 I didn’t find it creepy
14:03 I have a theory that THIS is the "Dream Effect" when it comes to masks and not in a good way
Wonka was so warm and heartfelt, I loved it despite feeling skeptical from the trailer too
I have a mask kink. I stand by that, it's a product of a very strong Creepypasta phase I had back when I was 13/14 and never grew out of. Funnily enough, I'm a lesbian but men in masks are still "attractive" to me in theory. It's hard to describe, but I like to look at them or read about masked men in fanfics (like Ghost from COD), but I don't want to touch them or them to touch me. Or speak to me, honestly.
But this is terrifying. And like, you look over at queer booktok and they're fine, somehow straight tiktok turned into this. What's even worse is that adults are dragging minors into this, cause of course. Also, would smash Glamrock Freddy.
bruh how did I know you'd be a Ghost fan💀💀💀
@@WishGender Cause he's one of the most recent character people with a mask kink simp for 💀
As a fellow person who sees a mask on a man and *dies,* I very much agree. Like dude, wtf is wrong with some people😭
I'll be honest, straight centered fiction has ALWAYS been like this, romanticizing abuse
More than likely, it's because the women realize they are probably going to end up in abusive relationships, so the ones that can write try to justify and romanticize it in writing, and the ones who can't read the books to justify and romanticize it.
It's like a mass produced stockholm syndrome and it's horrific.
@celigalaxii It's odd but sometimes I feel this way about these mainstream booktok faves, which is odd because I happily read the most grim and objectively worse stuff on AO3 - I think the issue for me is how romanticised it is, and how the relationships are portrayed as too healthy for the content inside of them.
"Hunt you down" made me recoil in horror. :') Also great content 👍✨
10:06 Hey, Cooper, you shouldn’t be making fun of somebody for accepting the title of golden retriever, when you literally own several dog collars, at least one of which is not for dogs. (and used a shock collar for an entire video, when NO ONE WAS ASKING YOU TO)
This is the very first video I see from your channel and you are SO CHARMING! Wow instant subscribe, what is that personality?! _Speech 100_
4:35 As a sapphic woman, I can admit we do love Glamrock freddy fazbear
There needs to be a different category of Tok for this. I just want the cozy portion of booktok to be preserved in it's own bubble where I can feel safe and unkidnappable.
And there's. The issue is that just the bad things get way more attention. I think it shouldn't be generalized bc no say that you are into booktok everyone will think OH u're into those shit things. Sometimes even if you are, some know how to distinguish books and reality. So the issue is romanticizing it and the projection into the real life
I love your White Jesus/Obi Wan Kenobi outfit 🖤🖤🖤
bro ur actually so funny i can’t breathe. love eatin my dinner while watching ur vids (except i usually end up almost dying at least twice)
thank god cooper is here to save me from my boredom
edit: Cooper is never escaping the babygirl allegations
Same
@NotVille_ liar
no he doesnt get over yourself@NotVille_
@NotVille_LMFAOOOOO
@NotVille_ IM CACKLING
I KNEW you would talk about this. The horny side of booktok is so UNHINGED i knew this was perfect tea for you to talk about lmaooo. It's insane, I'm not even on tiktok but also all i ever see of booktok is romance and smut books? (Ik the wholesome side exists, ily
real 😭
I guess no kisses in the lips 🤷
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AGREED. i'm aromantic so i'm not interested in romance AT ALL, but booktok just feels like it's all romance and smut nowadays & it's not even realistic romance, it just feels like fan fic-colleen hoover inspired-overly used cliches books. they're all basically the same plot, just different characters ☠️
I've seen people saying you lift the mask like the spiderman scene 😂
But fr the big book store near me even has a "spicy booktok" display right at the front doors 😭 this shit is unhinged
As a book tok girl I like reading books about weird kinky stuff but not experiencing it
"I have a leather jacket in my closet" and everything else was so funny 🤣 I love this channel
See, many books have been abandoned by me because at some point it dawns on me that what I’m reading came from the mind of a human being and they thought of it so much and found it so appealing for whatever reason that they decided to tell the world. Then I get really skeeved out and never wanna read again.
@NotVille_why are you spamming this comment under every single other comment? Get a life
This is the realest thing I’ve ever read lmao
Should read Ken Liu and Chuck Pahlaniuk books
I've returned a number of books thinking, "everyone says it's good, I'm sure I'll warm up to it" and deciding I don't want to warm up to it.
Same. Like in my head it goes,
"this went through the authors brain. They contemplated whether or not to do it. They decided to write it. Then spent at least 6 months writing it. Had someone look at the drafts MULTIPLE TIMES during the writing process. Read over it when they were finished . Had someone else read it over. Got someone to edit the book. And someone to publish it. Yet no one saw how weird this book is!?"
And it throws me to another planet
And then a whole bunch of ppl on booktok defend it by saying, "it's just fiction" KNOWING all fiction is based on reality 💀 it puts another kind of anger in my heart
I knew booktok was never to be trusted after I heard them talk about Colleen Hoover
As someone who has effectively barricaded myself from society and is genuinely needy and loves anything that feels like male attention and validation beyond what is chill and okay, I will give a rare bout of grace to my own actions. They're excusable. Embarrassing, mortifying, humiliating, career ruining? Yes. Excusable? Also yes, something that is not often said for myself. I have been one of those women in the comments. I'm afraid that the actions I currently take (liking gojo thirst edits on main, constantly) are just as embarrassing. I am a deeply unwell individual. Genuinely. But when I take a step back and look at this shit, it's beyond weird. I have always been a person into extremely fucked up romantic tropes. And that's not normal, and we shouldn't be romanticizing it. Books like haunting adeline should NOT be on everyone's tbr! Just because I wanted them on mine and I've liked things like this since long before puberty hit does not mean other young girls need this recommended to them when they aren't the type of people that would have been into them otherwise. They simply shouldn't! Books with seriously problematic and highly illegal sexual activities should in fact, not be what every teenage girl is giggling over and recommending to their friends! That's not okay! And it's taken a long time for me to recognize it myself, it really has. But I do realize it now, and it's not cool. Booktok has blown so many things out of proportion, and created a community in which things get magnified and warp into "the norm" when they shouldn't. The popularity of booktok is a genuine issue, you should have to have seriously curated your timeline to get that kind of thing, but if you like any old book review, especially if it's romantic in nature, these kinds of recs can be put on your tl because they are simply so numerous. This sort of behavior should not be so mainstream. These things are very BDSM in nature, and it's really dangerous to be promoting men saying things like they were in those videos, REAL MEN, when the people seeing those videos don't fully understand how these fantasies have a lot of requirements in terms of safety and trust and other things that are VERY important in context to these child-taking-a-short-cycle-of-sleep and dubcon/noncon scenes, especially because I don't think these men are fully aware of it themselves. It's dangerous to have a generation of women that think that a man saying he wants to child-taking-a-short-cycle-of-sleep you and then grape you is romantic and "vanilla" acts are uncool and boring- which IS an ideal that booktok does in fact perpetuate. Should there be a community for people like me? Yes. Should that community be so popular and so easily available? No. Does that mean the way I think and act and have needs should be socially taboo? Not entirely. But I do think that this is the sort of thing that you need to go looking for DELIBERATELY and with intention, and it shouldn't be something that is so popular that so many biker boys can use it for content to boost their numbers in such a drastic way. There's a lot that I'm not saying, and most of what I am saying it quite critical of booktok which is a place that I felt I belonged for a little while before it got... gentrified? But I do feel like overall a lot of these people are probably either quite young, lonely, got roped into this culture when they shouldn't have, or are are like me. I am actually probably all three in one way or another, but I do feel as though a lot of those people engaging with biker boys and masktok are innocent, in a way. They don't quite understand the implications of what they're doing, or they do, and they think they know it and it's fine, but really, it's not something they could back up in real life. I'm really fucking up what I wanted to say here and basically I don't think I got my point through at all, but I already wrote this confusing and disorienting comment, so here it is?
It is so funny hearing you talk abt these bikers cause my bestie is a biker and he's the nerdiest goofiness person I know😆 love your videos keep up the good work!❤️
Feeling the weirdo vibes
I left when I seen a “man” with painted nails. Now the vin diesel vi makes sense. This boy hates anybody masculine. Smh.
It’s good to be aware of fantasy vs reality, and if someone in booktok kinda had blurred lines they might get involved with someone that should stay in the fantasy. Also sometimes fantasies are amazing!! With some things, the mystery of it can be the fun part
I think some people don’t have boundaries with real vs fantasy, I love romance books but not “dark romance”
I love watching your videos because I never know when another tangent about the Last Jedi might happen, it's great ❤. I loved TLJ too.
12:51 ohhhhhhh 'mask'tok not masctok, i thought they were talking about masc lesbians or transmasc people-
SAPHIC HERE TO HELP! (4:30)
Personally I think the whole mask craze is strange but I wont lie I do think its COOL when villains have masks. It makes them like a mystery, but I'm pretty sure to other people they find mystery's hot meanwhile I find it cool...💀
I feel the same. Like I love the scream movies but I’m not hot for ghost face 😂
Another sapphic here! Yes I agree, villians with masks can make them look cool, but definitley not seggs appealing
It's not strange. 90% of mofos are ugly ah. Every biker is handsome until they take off their helmet ... The saying been out for years now
Lesbian here. Hard agree, I think it’s just anyone who finds the mysterious villain trope hot will think masks by extension are hot.
I also think in my case at least men are only ever ‘attractive’ to me if they’re fictional. Examples: Astarion in BG3 or Geralt from the Witcher franchise, even Henry Cavil when he is Geralt is hot but I don’t find Henry Cavil hot when not portraying the character.
Sooo as a sapphic woman: girls in masks be fineeee but like animatronics (respectfully as a huge fan of the Fnaf series) hard pass, like HARD pass
Much love to all you fellow sapphic woman ❤ and generally everybody ❤
@NotVille_What are you taking about? There's only two videos on your channel and neither of them is about this?
@NotVille_ wow that is so related to my comment and totally true I can't imagine this being a lie... 🤥🤥
@NotVille_ "first warning female"
🤓🤓
@@gh0st_b0yfriendDon't worry about this kid they're lying for attention
@NotVille_ technically that was the second warning you gave
Im sorry, I've been subscribed to you for a few months now because i love your humor.....and i had no idea that you are the "I'M A MAN!!!!" guy. I quote that almost daily. I am so happy
Cooper's " i knowwwwww" cracked me so hard i get it 😭
10:28 he’s not a golden retriever, he’s an angry chihuahua.
I can’t believe that TikTok has this love passive love triangle between Booktok, Masktok, and Biketok. Like it’s a whole Twilight book
Oh my gosh, I’ve used that audio on TikTok! I mean, I realize a lot of people have but the fact that I love your channel and didn’t make the connection until now 😆
Thank you for speaking about this cos the way this shit has my soul shrivelling. Enjoy what you want but the moment you involve others in sexual fantasies who are underaged or fawning over guys who are clearly trying to get attention, it's no longer about books. At all.
10:33 I think my guy was hiding in fear
Also I checked and he’s 16 so uh
Sapphic here, just to confirm, every sapphic is in fact happily married to Freddy fazbear. The wedding was just last week :)
Darn! I missed it! Is there any leftover cake?
@@xiomysam No, Freddy malfunctioned and took a huge chunk out of it :(
i love how cooper always gives a shout out to the sapphics lol, for the record the scream mask has not made it to our circle and masks are not as big of a thing in general