Saddle Video Series - Part 3 - Western Saddle Fitting for Horse and Rider
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2017
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www.horsetrainingvideos.com/f... In this video, professional horse trainer, Larry Trocha demonstrates how to fit a western saddle for best results. Specifically fitting the saddle to both horse and rider. This is the most in-depth and important information about western saddles and saddle fit you will ever see. A "must" watch for any western rider of performance horses, reining horses, cutting horses or trail riding horses.
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Wow, thank you for providing so much information! This is really helpful . I’m learning that there are a LOT of saddle gimmicks out there, that prey on people’s desire to do right by the horse… but which are often harmful and end up costing people time and money. This was thorough and helps me cut through the din of the latest “innovations.”
I really like this video. I came to your demo due to my horse's saddle fit not working for him. The saddle hurts him. Because of his unusual behavioral problems, I have realized this. More and more, I have had to readjust the foam wedges that I finally bought to try out. It is getting better due to figuring out exactly where they need to be. It is trial and error. Thank you for building the awareness with your helpful video!
thank you very much for a super informative video. i am going to watch all your videos now. thatnks again
WOW! Thank you. This series has been a HUGE help for a really challenging situation. Finding the right saddle for our horse and human partnership is so important and sometimes feels so elusive. This has really helped me know what to look for. Thank you so much.
You are welcome, Sheri
Awesome series on a very important subject. Well worth the watch.
Thank you for such a clear and straightforward explanation around western saddle fit. Answered lots of questions! I'm an English rider because I cannot find a good lightweight western saddle that I can lift onto my horse.
Yes, it's difficult to find a western saddle which is light weight. The design makes it very difficult to do.
Thank you for your effort in putting these videos together! The best series on saddle fitting that I’ve found.
Appreciate you taking time to make this video! Very informative !
I'm glad you liked it, Raesha.
Larry
Good to know .. appreciate that.. thank you...
Couldn't stop watching, and enjoyed each video. Great tips also for a future horse owners like myself
Thanks Francisco. I'm glad you like it.
Most excellent description of saddle fitting! Thank you!
Thank you, Phebe. I'm glad you liked it.
This series is great! I'm looking at changing disciplines so this has been incredibly informative. Thank you
Excellent as always! 👏🏼
Thanks Larry very helpful
Thank you very much from me and my horse.
I was so listening -up, I think I could be a saddle fitter. This was the most informative video I every watched !! Thank you for all your time and information. I rescued a beautiful Paint Mare. and she rescued me and all I want to do is give her the best care. We are always on the trails. Thank you !! Best video ever.
Thanks Maria. I appreciate your feedback.
Larry
So much great information and common sense. Thank you for your generosity in sharing your wealth of experience.
You are very welcome, Ann
I'm so glad I found you and your videos. I have 2 Morgans and a Saddlebred and they will each need a saddle that fits them. I'm not liking the saddles I have now so my research led me to you. Thanks for all you do to help the horse and rider.
You're welcome, Julie. Glad it helped.
Omg thank you for everything I learned a lot and it was so helpful 🙏🏼🙏🏼
You are welcome, Romi. I'm glad it helped.
Good info. Thanks
Thank you very much for sharing this information - great education for us - has made me more knowledgeable on what to look for! Also made finding the right saddle a longer process!
Hi Sumesh, I'm glad you liked the info in the videos. There's no need to exhaust yourself looking for the right kind of saddle. Simply send me an email and I'll be happy to point you in the right direction.
@@ltrocha Thank you sir!
This series was very helpful! I always wondered why in some saddles I had great balance and in others I’d have a hard time keeping my butt in the seat. I always thought it was just me. I’m also going to look into the sheep wool saddle pad, my saddle is always sliding around so I have to use a mounting block to get on. I understand how to communicate with horses but have never really learned anything about my tack. Thank you so much for this info I will continue to browse through your videos!
Glad you liked it, Sunny. If you get the woolback saddle pad, be sure to rinse the lanolin out of the wool or it will slip and slide.
ltrocha will do thank you sir!
Thanks so much for sharing, this was very helpful!!!
You are very welcome
Lots of good tips. Thank you!
You are very welcome.
I find it interesting that the one point you made about treeless saddles is that the horses quit stopping - I am watching these videos because I bought a treeless last year, and though I initially loved it, am not happy with many things...one of which is that my horse is now struggling with stopping...I did not relate it to the treeless! Hoping to take the info learned here and get a good fitting treed saddle!
Yes, exactly
Thrilled to have all this information to better evaluate my saddles to my horses. And, I'm going to recommend this series to people who ask my saddling opinion, because there are so many factors & its never the straight answer they want. Gotta do your homework! But, Mr. Trocha... your 35 yrs of Cliff Notes are going to help a lot of riders accomplish more & save their horses backs! The work you do is amazing, I thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Glad you like it.
electraspy please my help u
Thanks 😊🙏
You are welcome, Francisco
Watching your 3 part saddle fit videos has been immensely helpful, thank you! I have been able to filter out many of the saddles that I was originally researching and considering for myself. However there’s something that I wish you would have covered- what about the difference between a woman’s build of her seat vs a man’s build of his seat? Would you alter any of your recommendations for a female rider to accommodate her hip width and tilt since it’s different than a man’s?
Hi, there is really no need to address a woman's build vs a man's build. Seat size is seat size. A good pocket is a good pocket. There's no distinction if the saddle is built right.
Thank you for this video series. I am a new horse owner and looking for a western saddle. So glad I found your videos!
You are welcome. I'm glad I could help. Good luck.
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@@ltrocha I primarily ride English but will do some trail riding and really like that barrel saddle in the video as a potential good all around saddle. I would like to find a good used Five Star saddle now that I am aware of their quality, but not knowing what brands are really Five Star is going to make that challenging. If you have any suggestions, would love to hear them. Thanks!
@@ltrocha Thank you!
Very Helpful Thank-You :)
You are welcome, Claire.
Glad you found the info helpful
Larry
Great video. Best tutorial on Saddles and fit I have ever watched. Thank you Larry.
You are welcome, Stephen.
You are welcome Stephen. I appreciate your feedback.
Larry
Larry thanks again for these great vids, very helpful. I'm having difficulty getting info on proper cinch length. How many inches would you recommend there to be from cinch D-ring to saddle D-ring.
Good series very common sense, One thing I found was your saddle can fit close but if you put a 25mile day of hard riding on rough terrain gathering cows , roping and treating cattle your horse may get sore but it doesn't mean the saddle is trash.
FYI...Bridge pads...never used one per say but have used 1/8" felt to build up to the thickness needed and lesser layers to feather it out for maximum contact. I use 3M spray adhesive to hold in place and have never seen slippage from where I put them.
Thank you for a bunch of good information. I have asked countless saddle sellers and googled for years for information on saddle type and function.
2 questions though........ 1. I was wondering what you find more workable as far as the distance between the horn and your body is considered. (while sitting in the saddle.)
2. And also, when it comes to younger horses, what type of saddle and specs supports you the best if they try to blow off some stink?
Thanks again for sharing your experience.
"...when it comes to younger horses ... if they try to blow off some stink?"
Good question. I'd love to know Larry's take on this. I haven't been on a green horse in a good number of years, but have this persistent interest in starting a colt despite being way past that age that we bounce and roll pretty well. I used a roughout cutting saddle last time around. For sure, I'd stick with a roughout seat because we're quite a bit stickier on a roughout than a slick seat. I had imagined I'd go for a grip on that tall horn if needed, if perhaps we moved into a 'Blope,' which we did. (Moving from a trot into a lope where the horse blows up: Blope.) But, I was so focused on keeping both stirrups and the one rein stop that I never got around to grabbing the horn and doubt I'd have reached for a night latch if I'd had one. I stayed on and it was over soon enough. Since then, a saddle that keeps coming to mind with my thoughts about another colt is one I saw a trainer using on colts - a fairly tight fitting roughout barrel saddle with custom bucking rolls.
I read an article where you mentioned only get full double or 7/8 rigging. What about" skirt rigging" ( jeff smith ranch cutter with rounded single skirt ). That's all the specs say. Thanks.
My horses both get dry spots, but not to the extent of being 100% dry. Like, if they were soaked from sweat, the “dry spot” is just very slightly dryer than the rest of the back. Also the dry spots are big as well.
Most informative saddle fitting guide I've seen...Thanks!
I too had a low heel one side and club foot other side and in addition to farrier using wedges to raise the heel on low hoof and reversed the wedge to raise the toe we got them back to normal over 6-8 months. However observations of her grazing I noticed that she would always extend the original low heel hoof out and stand with club foot directly under her. This caused the issue to again be a problem. I solved this issue by using hobbles on her when grazing.
Also, I've tried 5 saddles on my 5 year old and they all rock front to back. I use 1/8" layers of felt under the bar pads to minimize the rock. Do you think at 5 my horses back will develop more curve along the spine?
Hi Kevin, It's difficult to say how your horse's back will change. I do know this... my horse chiropractor played a significant part in fixing the asymmetrical horses I had in training. Corrective shoeing was a big part but without the chiropractic part to go with it, I'm not sure it would have worked out. Keep in mind, most horse chiropractors are not the real deal. Contact your local professional horse trainers and ask which chiropractors they use.
Don't be surprised if a "qualified" chiropractor advises you to use a spacer pad on bi-lateral foot.
Very helpful and informative, thank you. I've heard good things about the Visalia 3B tree's regarding how well horses move in them, they're often referred to as all day saddles. Have you any views on this particular tree, pros and cons that you liked to share?
I have a Spanish stallion which I think this tree would fit very well his back confirmation - muscular well covered whithers , strong round back gently rising to the hind quarters.
Rich
Sorry, I can't comment on the tree you mention
Hi Larry. Have watched all 3 saddle videos 3 times. I love my saddle except it is heavy, 35lbs, no Cheyenne roll and the stirrups are too far back.
I would like to get a five star barrel or reining saddle but how do I know which one will fit my horse. And which one is the lightest weight. Smokey, horse, is about 1000lbs appendix quarter. My saddle is a lichtenberger/ferguson, Los Angeles makers. Made for my grandfather in 1920. Yes I'm riding that saddle now. It is very comfortable, easy to stay with the horse no matter what he does. I'm 5' 8" weigh 150. I'm a senior schooling this horse for ranch reining, ranch riding and trail. Only had him 16 months. I have learned so much from you. Thank you for your videos.
Hi Penny, You are going to have a difficult time trying to find a real western saddle that weighs less than 35 lbs. Feel free to give me a call.
I was looking into the Circle Y Flex2 trees, and the front and back lower ends of the bars flex, but I was thinking that takes away from the total load bearing surface, and places it on the upper half and middle of the bars.
Sounds like you're a very observant person. Good on you for noticing that kind of stuff.
Friend got a rub spot hair came in white .thin pad dirty didn't leason horse bolted dropped him mild stock 8 years in rehab. Will never get out to smaal white hair grew in tell people to look for that .good vidio
I have a question, I've watched all 3 of these saddle fitting videos, all the saddles you have talked about are western saddles, do you have any knowledge about Australian Saddles, and how to fit one to your horse and to you? Thanks!
Nope
What do you think of the circle y flex2 trees?
I covered everything you need to know about flex trees in this video series.
Larry, thank you for so useful information, know how and experience transmitted in these 3 videos. One question about pads… I've been using pads which has rubber on the horse's contact part. I think it is very confortable, hygienic, easy to wash and disinfect, in case of using on more than one horse. Any comments on them? Its very similar that one that you like in terms of cushion, but in your case it has sheepskin. Thank you!
Hi Luiz,
Keep in mind, rubber traps heat.
I did a plaster paris mold of my horses back 🤔
I don't see a lot of advantage to that because in real life, the horses back is in motion. Better than nothing though.
Hello, one thing I didn't see you cover, the length of the skirt. What's to long or to short or does it matter.
28 inches is the usual skirt length in most saddles. Longer than that is too long. Shorter is fine.
Can you give the link for those saddle pads?
Yes I can. Email me at larry@horsetrainingvideos.com
Can you recommend saddles that are good?
Currently, the best saddles are being made by private label shops. They only take orders from certain retailers.
I just got my first horse, this video has been very helpful because I didn’t know any info on saddles. Where can I get a well made saddle for a percheron? He is a big boy 1650.0 pounds, 17.2 hands. I’m in Milan MI. I’m 5’9 long legs, solid build big legs. I’m using my horse for trail riding and therapy. He didn’t come with anything so I need to buy it all.
Hi Grace, go to: GoodSaddles.com
@@ltrocha ok thank you! Being that I don’t have any equipment is bareback a good idea for beginners? Till I get a saddle. Thank you for your help
@@gracefaithwinsome9591 There is always risk with or without a saddle
Wouldn't a universal foam padding under the tree that conformes to the horses back be a good idea IDK I'm interested in making saddles
Not in my tests
I'm just a furniture upholstery guy never made a saddle but I'm studying the art very interesting work building saddles love the smell of leather and horses lol gotta love it huh
Stoke oops was 78
Thinking I’ll just ride bareback 😬
Riding bare back puts all your weight on the small area of your seat bones. A saddle tree distributes the weight to reduce the pressure.
Could i apply these videos to a mexican saddle
I know nothing about Mexican saddles. Sorry.
Thanks anyways Sir
Whit today computer lacer technology why can't they use it to make a perfect fit?
Hi Joe,
The problem is, there is no practical way to accurately duplicate the shape of a horse's back when standing still and in motion.
It may be possible to do it but it'd cost a fortune.
I watched all 3 parts . A lot of good information . I work as a trail guide on a dude string in Cook forest, in Pa. I've used the cutting pads to relieve pressure in the shoulders for several years.
I like your information on fit and leg grove.
That's good to hear, Cheyenne.
I appreciate your feedback.
Larry