Perfect pace, editing, camera angles, focus, details, and instructions..... PERFECT VIDEO..... There is still hope for our era, maybe even the next era !!!
What!?! I didn't know you did this. The RAV4 looks totally BOSS now! That father-in-law of yours seems like a smart dude. I totally want to do this on my Kia Forte.
I ended up installing the Northwoods Performance 1.5in lift spacer up front and the 1in on the rear. Combined with a set of Sach struts my Rav rides smooth. I'm gonna replace the rear spacer with NWPs 1in springs in the near future
Had this kit on my RAV4 for 2 years, the driver side swaybar endlink braket kept bending and rattling like crazy... The Rav4 being such a rough ride and uncomfortable seats I ended up taking the lift off and selling it. It wasn't really all that good for offroad other than dirt roads.
I do know that some thread lock doesn't allow it to lock completely and be more like anti-seized. Yes, anti-seized is pretty messy, but at least you know that you won't struggle that hard when access it again. I'm pretty spoiled with power tools and my dad always tell me to hand tightened at when bolts and nuts are snug.
I have a cool tip right from the get go , sorry but i have to say this , when releasing wheel nuts , instead of pulling upwords and risk hurting youre back , put the wheel brace on the other side of the nut and simply stand on it , you will find it much much easier to get them off . when you pull up on them that pressure is transferd to youre body , i always try to work smart not hard ..... plus a sore back is a great way to find easy ways to do things .
Very Nice. Very cool ride (love that color) and great video. I would have bought new complete struts, put the spacers on and swapped whole. Be interested in how CV joints are holding up and mileage.
I use to LOVE doing things like that-- but have to PAY someone now. I got mashed between 2 trucks in 99 an STILL getting over it-- so doing something like this is no longer going to be possible for me. I want one of these.. and was thinking of a bolt on supercharger too-- (just for gentle boost-- a root supercharger) and that will cost too..
I'm curious as to how the ball and CV joints lasted and how is the ride? You're adding height on top of the strut so you are removing suspension droop to achieve the lift, but in doing so your making the ball joints and cv joints continuously operate a a more extreme angle potentially causing them to fail sooner. That's how it was in my truck when I had such a beast installed. Also, to anyone that does this, these are NOT LOADED ball joints, meaning the weight of the vehicle does not cause the ball joint to compress vs one that is loaded. This means that if the ball joint fails, it separate causing the wheel to lift away from the control arm vs a loaded one that keeps it all compressed so it will not separate. I've seen it happen a good few times so, keep an eye on your ball joints.
You mentioned when your truck had such a beast installed. Was that beast a 2" lift? Just curious... Angles are the key. There's a big difference from 4-6" lifts and a 2" lift.
I looked into those as well! Awesome softroader but the RAV4 could tow more! Excellent adventure vehicles CRVs can make. Plus you can turbo them if you know what you are doing
@@CreativeMechanic the v6 engine was used in a lotus and they pair it with a supercharger, I saw guy who got himself said supercharger and put it in the rav4!
I have a slight shimmy when I get around 6o mph after installing this kit on my 2016. Also the bracket connected to the driver side sway bar link is bent. Any ideas?
I have a lift on my rav4 and the brackets for the sway bar link keeps breaking. Am on my 3rd one, Last one lasted about 10 months. And i dont take it off road. Any ideas what i can do to avoid this?
Looks dope!! I just started driving and was lucky enough to get 2010 rav4 and i love it! I am planning on going with the northwoods performance lift kit, but i wanted to ask what rims and tires are those?
Hi , ive been reading lots of the Rav4world threads and watching your vids. first off, Great UA-camr, very nice detailed vidos. Seccond, i hear a lot of people talk about Geometry changes by using spacers to lift the body up like the ReadyLift, but the Northwoods kit has stiffer\taller springs, the engine\diff and rear diff would still be at the body height and the CV's be at the lower height in both scenarios wouldnt they? so why do people say that one is better than the other etc. Thanks again.
It's only 2 inches... No difference if you were loaded up with 4 passengers and gear and squatting 2 inches on a road trip... Most geometry changes need to be made at 3 and up as a general rule of thumb on all vehicles
@@mwchristopher302 Yea, i have since learnt more, and my mistake, the Rear actually is lifted above the rear cradle, so the (diff to wheel) angles should remain the same. Im now aware that you can go a Body Lift without that much issue on angles, (apart from the sway bar link wanting to sit 2" higher - bracket accounts for that) but you will still be using standard possible worn out OEM Springs and Shocks. So i started looking into taller springs and shocks, finding taller springs is pretty easy, in Aus we have King Springs, with a raised height approx 30mm, but i cannot find a suitable "raised" shock to match. they say that you can just use regular OEM height shocks with the raised springs, but to me that doesnt seem like it would be the best, because the spring would prob be compressed a bit to allow a nut onto the OEM height shock, and the shock would also be at max travel then so any rebound may batter the shock at its furtherest length ? does that makes sense?
@@user-kv5lg5ky4v I have unfortunately found the same so far with the springs... Eibach and Dobinson makes them... Dobinson is "Sold Out" and Eibachs are available.. however you would need a strut compressor tool to install front ...rears would be fine but offer minimal lift and you are correct...does not make sense to add springs to worn out shocks??...no decent after market shocks seem to be available..."still looking" and I would honestly prefer a whole engineered front "strut assembly" so we shall see...kyb stuff is usually pretty good...but I hate to take apart a new strut to add someone else's lift spring that might be too stiff...haven't found spring rates yet on the above. We shall see.... probably will just do spacer lift and call it a day...
@@mwchristopher302 King Springs in Australia have a Rav4.3 spring thats "Raised" and yes, i have a spring compressor, but given my car has 133,000kms ~ 84,000 miles the shocks are possibly in their last bit of life, and for a few hundred AUD im wondering if i just get the King raised springs, new OEM height shocks from whoever, and see how that goes... thing is, if i do it that way, ill still have to get the front strut bar linkage relocation brackets, OR buy those shorter Northwoods Performance bars, then i startt thinking, well if im paying for shipping anyway, maybe i get a northwoods kit.... its all very frustrating, the other point of view is, screw it, just get a ReadyLift SST spacer kit, and use OEM stuff for springs\shocks\swaybar link for the rest of the life of the vehicle, at least it will then always be easy to buy parts if i need to.
Hey sorry to comment on a old video!! Your content inspired me to pull the trigger! My question is though did you have any experience with your cv joints binding while having this kit installed?? I have just installed the kit on my Gen 3 Rav4 V6 limited AWD (125k miles) and I am experiencing some harsh vibrations up front at 20mph to 25mph, and then at 75mph+ when accelerating . I have all new front and rear suspension components, and has been aligned plus tires balanced. It has the OEM cv axles😅😅and I am wondering if replacing those could remedy this issue!!!! Thoughts??? p.s. I know they'll wear premature but who doesn't love a lifted Ravioli🤩
What would you choose for rav4 2018 the ready lift kit or eibach coils for longevity of the vehicle, and axels? And would you do the wheel alignment after installation of either?
Wow bro what a clip. Wish i can take my rav to you. 1 question tho can i still put those kind of wheels and tires on it even without a lift? Mines a 2015.
hi i have v6 rav4 2010 limited like those rims and tires. can i know the brand both of them and is it possible i can put them without lift? ty in advance for your reply 😀
I have a 2012 RAV4 that I would love to put a little lift kit in.... think I need this kit... how much of a bigger tire could you put on after this lift kit ???
Hola, no hablo inglés pero me gustaría que me ayudaras, tengo el kit de elevación pero necesito saber una medida,es donde va la barra estabilizadora y el amortiguador lleva una platina con dos huecos sabes la medida de largo entre hueco y hueco?
What size tires did you install? And what make and model are they? That thing looks sweet. My son is buying a 2012 of the same color and we're looking at doing the same thing. Thanks
Hello man! Loved the video! Good content too, I love your channel! Quick question though, mind sharing where you got your rims from? Or perhaps a brand name? I'd love to buy the same ones!
The only reason i can think of as to why these bolts should be the other way around is the crud & dirt that will collect between bolt and nut in the direction we're mostly driving .. Unless you are that guy who always drive in reverse on most motorways!?🤣
BEAUTIFUL--- I want one.. they can keep their expensive new crap.. far too much tech and info crap on the new ones..and those 2.0 and 2.5 4 bangers just don't cut it.
I know this comment is a year old, but I'm also curious. From a comment below it looks like he went to 245/55R18's. He stated one inch bigger providing 1/2 of ground clearance.
Brent Whitley when it comes to things that attach your suspension to your vehicle..... you’ll never regret paying a little more. Those rubber spacer kits for the rear springs are a death sentence in my opinion
Creative Mechanic what’s it like as a long term lift? Any changes in road behaviour or dynamics? Notice any real benefits or performance change in tackling snow or off road conditions?
A lift kit won’t make more traction, a lift will allow for bigger tires which gives more traction. A lift can also improve approach, break over, and departure angles.
Hey there I just did this installation to my 2008 Toyota RAV4 and when I step on it the front end shakes. Did you have the same issue too??? I'm still running mines on the original Wheels
Perfect pace, editing, camera angles, focus, details, and instructions..... PERFECT VIDEO..... There is still hope for our era, maybe even the next era !!!
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You make it look pretty easy. I have a 4th generation RAV4, and the ground clearance is atrocious. Maybe I'll try this lift.
What!?! I didn't know you did this. The RAV4 looks totally BOSS now! That father-in-law of yours seems like a smart dude. I totally want to do this on my Kia Forte.
Just bought a 08 Rav4 today, and this is a definite mod for mine. Thanks for this vid! You rock!
Same here just got a 09
@@BoneZoneGolf I’ll be interested in how it goes when you do it.
How did it go?
I ended up installing the Northwoods Performance 1.5in lift spacer up front and the 1in on the rear. Combined with a set of Sach struts my Rav rides smooth. I'm gonna replace the rear spacer with NWPs 1in springs in the near future
C-Clamp! That's a good hack! Thanks the old man!
Had this kit on my RAV4 for 2 years, the driver side swaybar endlink braket kept bending and rattling like crazy... The Rav4 being such a rough ride and uncomfortable seats I ended up taking the lift off and selling it. It wasn't really all that good for offroad other than dirt roads.
I do know that some thread lock doesn't allow it to lock completely and be more like anti-seized. Yes, anti-seized is pretty messy, but at least you know that you won't struggle that hard when access it again. I'm pretty spoiled with power tools and my dad always tell me to hand tightened at when bolts and nuts are snug.
You have helped me one step closer to my newly lifted horse i call Tory, and others call it a 2010 rav 4
Just letting me know that the lift kit from the post 2013 model fits our MKIII is worth it’s weight in gold. Genius! Thanks buddy, great lift
What is a MK111?
@@CreativeMechanic third generation is what he means. Third gen RAV4.
Alabama doesn't get much rust! Looks great, currently looking for a v6, I like my 2012 rav but I could use the 3500lb tow rating of the v6.
Go for the highlander 5000lb tow rating.
V6 is the boss. I got one for my wife, and it is streets ahead of the 4 cylinder.
I have a cool tip right from the get go , sorry but i have to say this , when releasing wheel nuts , instead of pulling upwords and risk hurting youre back , put the wheel brace on the other side of the nut and simply stand on it , you will find it much much easier to get them off . when you pull up on them that pressure is transferd to youre body , i always try to work smart not hard ..... plus a sore back is a great way to find easy ways to do things .
Gotta be one of the best vids I’ve watched of a mod installation!!! Thanks for sharing
Completed The Ready Lift on my 2007 Rav Limited V6.
Thanks for the video brother.
I like this subtle lift! Looks good!
Very Nice. Very cool ride (love that color) and great video. I would have bought new complete struts, put the spacers on and swapped whole. Be interested in how CV joints are holding up and mileage.
10k miles later no issues. The thing is CV joints are gonna go bad eventually without a lift.. if I’m replacing at 40k instead of 60k I’m ok with that
Now you just need to add a chrome exhaust tip and this rav4 is gonna look MAD BOSS
No dude
I need that Stanley twist socket wrench
I have a 2015 limited. Just may do this.
Looks dope, got me really wanting a Rav4 this year now! Did it affect your mpgs at all? If so by how much?
Great jack stand tip!
Need someone to do it for my RAV4. Looks awesome 💯
Did you do before/after measurements? What point a to b did you use? What size of tires? Have you measured mpg before & after?
I use to LOVE doing things like that-- but have to PAY someone now. I got mashed between 2 trucks in 99 an STILL getting over it-- so doing something like this is no longer going to be possible for me. I want one of these.. and was thinking of a bolt on supercharger too-- (just for gentle boost-- a root supercharger) and that will cost too..
Great video that makes me want to crack on and lift mine too. Can I ask what tyres (brand & size) have you fitted. They look great 👍
I'm curious as to how the ball and CV joints lasted and how is the ride? You're adding height on top of the strut so you are removing suspension droop to achieve the lift, but in doing so your making the ball joints and cv joints continuously operate a a more extreme angle potentially causing them to fail sooner. That's how it was in my truck when I had such a beast installed. Also, to anyone that does this, these are NOT LOADED ball joints, meaning the weight of the vehicle does not cause the ball joint to compress vs one that is loaded. This means that if the ball joint fails, it separate causing the wheel to lift away from the control arm vs a loaded one that keeps it all compressed so it will not separate. I've seen it happen a good few times so, keep an eye on your ball joints.
You mentioned when your truck had such a beast installed. Was that beast a 2" lift? Just curious... Angles are the key. There's a big difference from 4-6" lifts and a 2" lift.
Might’ve missed it, but aren’t the spacers made of aluminum? If so, will that not cause galvanic corrosion with the steel frame?
Nice work Dude 💪,love how you used that Jack...
Good explanation. You covered every single thing. Thanks a lot
I have a '04 CRV but I really liked this video. Very well done!
I looked into those as well! Awesome softroader but the RAV4 could tow more! Excellent adventure vehicles CRVs can make. Plus you can turbo them if you know what you are doing
@@CreativeMechanic the v6 engine was used in a lotus and they pair it with a supercharger, I saw guy who got himself said supercharger and put it in the rav4!
Excelente, mirando el video Hice Fabricar las Piezas en el Torno y me quedo Genial, muchas Gracias por el Video
It looks very nice on the road. Love it
nice work dude. I think now I will try to do this with my toyota Urban cruiser
Great video. I am looking to trade in my Corolla towards a RAV4 this spring. Looking at options for customization before purchase.
Like to do this to my 2010.
Finaly someone using the same tools that i do.
Ya instalado y con alineamiento y balanceo por que me qeda tritando cada vez q aceleró?
I have a slight shimmy when I get around 6o mph after installing this kit on my 2016. Also the bracket connected to the driver side sway bar link is bent. Any ideas?
Very thorough. Well done b
Did you notice a big difference in MPG with the lift and bigger tires?
The tires are only 1/2 inches bigger, but I lost about 2 mpg, but I’m still getting 25 on the highway so no complaints
The question that I ask myself, what are the names of the tires on that rav4, they look like a truck, do they look good, what will they be ???
Nice kit! But with all that work you could change the rubber boots from the front shock absorber...
No. Just wait and pull the whole CV
Looking good bud, very nice 😊❤👊🇬🇧
Hey man great video question, I have an 06 rav4 sport model. Can I install those same rims and tires without the lift?
Yes, they should fit fine
I have a lift on my rav4 and the brackets for the sway bar link keeps breaking. Am on my 3rd one, Last one lasted about 10 months. And i dont take it off road. Any ideas what i can do to avoid this?
we've got same shoes man!!
could go through some snow in E lock with that clearance.
Awesome video. I'd like to ask what struts and coils you use on your RAV4. Cheers
Great tutorial, well explained. Thanks.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Looks dope!! I just started driving and was lucky enough to get 2010 rav4 and i love it! I am planning on going with the northwoods performance lift kit, but i wanted to ask what rims and tires are those?
What about a 2003? I just got one and would love a small lift.
It looks awesome.
ThankYou!
Hi , ive been reading lots of the Rav4world threads and watching your vids. first off, Great UA-camr, very nice detailed vidos.
Seccond, i hear a lot of people talk about Geometry changes by using spacers to lift the body up like the ReadyLift, but the Northwoods kit has stiffer\taller springs, the engine\diff and rear diff would still be at the body height and the CV's be at the lower height in both scenarios wouldnt they? so why do people say that one is better than the other etc. Thanks again.
It's only 2 inches... No difference if you were loaded up with 4 passengers and gear and squatting 2 inches on a road trip... Most geometry changes need to be made at 3 and up as a general rule of thumb on all vehicles
@@mwchristopher302 Yea, i have since learnt more, and my mistake, the Rear actually is lifted above the rear cradle, so the (diff to wheel) angles should remain the same.
Im now aware that you can go a Body Lift without that much issue on angles, (apart from the sway bar link wanting to sit 2" higher - bracket accounts for that) but you will still be using standard possible worn out OEM Springs and Shocks.
So i started looking into taller springs and shocks, finding taller springs is pretty easy, in Aus we have King Springs, with a raised height approx 30mm, but i cannot find a suitable "raised" shock to match. they say that you can just use regular OEM height shocks with the raised springs, but to me that doesnt seem like it would be the best, because the spring would prob be compressed a bit to allow a nut onto the OEM height shock, and the shock would also be at max travel then so any rebound may batter the shock at its furtherest length ?
does that makes sense?
@@user-kv5lg5ky4v I have unfortunately found the same so far with the springs... Eibach and Dobinson makes them... Dobinson is "Sold Out" and Eibachs are available.. however you would need a strut compressor tool to install front ...rears would be fine but offer minimal lift and you are correct...does not make sense to add springs to worn out shocks??...no decent after market shocks seem to be available..."still looking" and I would honestly prefer a whole engineered front "strut assembly" so we shall see...kyb stuff is usually pretty good...but I hate to take apart a new strut to add someone else's lift spring that might be too stiff...haven't found spring rates yet on the above. We shall see.... probably will just do spacer lift and call it a day...
@@mwchristopher302 King Springs in Australia have a Rav4.3 spring thats "Raised" and yes, i have a spring compressor, but given my car has 133,000kms ~ 84,000 miles the shocks are possibly in their last bit of life, and for a few hundred AUD im wondering if i just get the King raised springs, new OEM height shocks from whoever, and see how that goes... thing is, if i do it that way, ill still have to get the front strut bar linkage relocation brackets, OR buy those shorter Northwoods Performance bars, then i startt thinking, well if im paying for shipping anyway, maybe i get a northwoods kit.... its all very frustrating,
the other point of view is, screw it, just get a ReadyLift SST spacer kit, and use OEM stuff for springs\shocks\swaybar link for the rest of the life of the vehicle, at least it will then always be easy to buy parts if i need to.
@@user-kv5lg5ky4v sounds good...newer OEM struts and springs might also give ya a 1/4 inch or so... since old is worn out
That looks so sick. lol love it.
Hey sorry to comment on a old video!! Your content inspired me to pull the trigger!
My question is though did you have any experience with your cv joints binding while having this kit installed?? I have just installed the kit on my Gen 3 Rav4 V6 limited AWD (125k miles) and I am experiencing some harsh vibrations up front at 20mph to 25mph, and then at 75mph+ when accelerating .
I have all new front and rear suspension components, and has been aligned plus tires balanced. It has the OEM cv axles😅😅and I am wondering if replacing those could remedy this issue!!!!
Thoughts???
p.s. I know they'll wear premature but who doesn't love a lifted Ravioli🤩
Did the CV axels fix your issue?
@@CreativeMechanic no it did not sadly.
my rack and pinion was actually shot so i’m going to reinstall the lift and see if if that was the issue
So hopefully I no longer have the shake
Great job and vid. Looking to get a Rav4 very soon!
What would you choose for rav4 2018 the ready lift kit or eibach coils for longevity of the vehicle, and axels? And would you do the wheel alignment after installation of either?
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How long is the 19mm socket to loosen nut from the rear suspension? Thanks a lot. very good the video
Wow bro what a clip. Wish i can take my rav to you. 1 question tho can i still put those kind of wheels and tires on it even without a lift? Mines a 2015.
Yeah that size is only 1/2 inch taller so you shouldn’t need a lift. 235 60 r18
hi i have v6 rav4 2010 limited
like those rims and tires. can i know the brand both of them and is it possible i can put them without lift? ty in advance for your reply 😀
whats the comparison to this and the northwoods since you ran both?
Looks awesome man!
Good job sir .
Thanks.I like it. Can I ask a question? What the size for tires?
What size tires did you fit under with the lift
Hi, great vid thanks 4 sharing BTW, just wondering...how much ground clearance you gained...?
1.5 inches
@@CreativeMechanic Was that from the lift alone, or including the tires?
Tires were barely taller than stock
Did you loose clearance moving to the Northwoods?
Hola sabes si hay para Rav 4 modelo 2008 4x2
I have a 2012 RAV4 that I would love to put a little lift kit in.... think I need this kit... how much of a bigger tire could you put on after this lift kit ???
where did you get your rimes i like them and how much i live in aus and tyres that you have on your rimes thay look good
Outstanding video!
Hola, no hablo inglés pero me gustaría que me ayudaras, tengo el kit de elevación pero necesito saber una medida,es donde va la barra estabilizadora y el amortiguador lleva una platina con dos huecos sabes la medida de largo entre hueco y hueco?
What size tires did you install? And what make and model are they? That thing looks sweet. My son is buying a 2012 of the same color and we're looking at doing the same thing. Thanks
did you end up ever stacking the readylift spacers with the Northwoods kit?
This is so cool
Rav 4 top car
How's is it running now? I have 08 and wanted to rise it but I heard don't do because it cause more problem
Hello man! Loved the video! Good content too, I love your channel! Quick question though, mind sharing where you got your rims from? Or perhaps a brand name? I'd love to buy the same ones!
American racing ATX ravine 18x8.5 35 mm offset
@@CreativeMechanic Thank you so much man! I want my rav4 to be as cool as yours, still working on it though :D Keep the videos up!
no bump stop extensions with the kit?
What rims and tires are those ? I liked them for my RAV4 also
Nice!!!!! I want to do my wife’s car now
You did your strut bolts the wrong way... Nut should by on the rear side of the vehicle. 😃👍
10 minutes later my car exploded
@@CreativeMechanic oh no...!! 😨😨😨
The only reason i can think of as to why these bolts should be the other way around is the crud & dirt that will collect between bolt and nut in the direction we're mostly driving .. Unless you are that guy who always drive in reverse on most motorways!?🤣
BEAUTIFUL--- I want one.. they can keep their expensive new crap.. far too much tech and info crap on the new ones..and those 2.0 and 2.5 4 bangers just don't cut it.
Nice ride! What size are your rims and tires? I’m thinking of doing a lift but I’m not sure what size tires and rims to go with?
I know this comment is a year old, but I'm also curious. From a comment below it looks like he went to 245/55R18's. He stated one inch bigger providing 1/2 of ground clearance.
What’s easier coil spacer or subframe spacer for the rear?
Neither… they both suck imo… but subframe spacer is less suck
Neither… they both suck imo… but subframe spacer is less suck
What’s the difference in ground clearance before/after? Will you get more clearance simply just by putting bigger tires on it without lift kit?
Yes, but a 1 inch bigger tire will only give you 1/2 inches of clearance
Do have any video lift about RAV4 2nd generation ?
High quality tools
Nice job!
Can you send me a link for the lift…I have a 2011 and have been considering this for awhile now!
Great video tire size please and wheels !?? Iam going to do this on my thanks
Now here's a thing, it's so damn expensive!!! 400$ for a hand full of tiny parts, god damn. Good vid tho!
There are other kits available for around 200
Brent Whitley when it comes to things that attach your suspension to your vehicle..... you’ll never regret paying a little more. Those rubber spacer kits for the rear springs are a death sentence in my opinion
Creative Mechanic what’s it like as a long term lift? Any changes in road behaviour or dynamics? Notice any real benefits or performance change in tackling snow or off road conditions?
A lift kit won’t make more traction, a lift will allow for bigger tires which gives more traction. A lift can also improve approach, break over, and departure angles.
The Northwoods kit is a far better option for daily driving
What are those spacers you installed for the cradle for?
Hey there I just did this installation to my 2008 Toyota RAV4 and when I step on it the front end shakes. Did you have the same issue too??? I'm still running mines on the original Wheels
No, but check the torque on your strut towers and sway bar links
Hey I am having the same issue did you ever figure out what was wrong with it?
@@calebwells5125 Did u get an alignment?
Will is work on a 2013 Rav4. If I want a 2 to 3inch lift?
Excellent video.
Great vid. Did you just use the custom springs? From what looked like, you didn't replace those, right?
What tires and wheels do you have? Looks great!
I love it.
thanks for the video it really helpful 👌🏽👏🏽
If there's any way u think 2016 Nissan rouge sport 2.5 litter have ready lift to..any suggestions where to buy if they sell on sport rogue bro