Is There Damage Penalty for Being Under Leveled in Zenless Zone Zero? (Pen Ratio, DEF Shred & more)
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0:00 Test Setup
1:20 Lv45
2:04 Lv50
3:03 Pen 24%
4:20 Nicole 36% DEF Shred, no PEN %
4:53 TLDR
7:04 PEN 24% + Nicole 36% DEF Shred vs Lv70 and Lv50 mob
UA-cam pops up 2 related videos at the end and completely block the text on the video screen. So annoying.
Do a test of Pen Ratio vs Dmg% slot 5 please. And do it as a full comp if possible. I say this because the ice team has a LOT of Ice Dmg buffs and Im wondering which will actually help Ellen’s dmg more
I agree. Not only Ice damage buffs but they also have Ice resistance shred so it piles up quite a bit. I do have my Ellen on Pen Ratio only because my Ice damage pieces suck but it would be nice to know a good comparison. But yeah, it might be hard to do this early unless just counting +0 discs with no offensive stats with just their minimum increase (Gets harder to test as they level up offensive stats they may have)
I’m thinking the support character lucy or ice support DMG buff can win pen/nicole def or not
I just want answers. No one is testing this. Every guide is just saying Dmg% cuz its the obvious answer cuz of Genshin, WuWa, and HSR. Those games dont have def ignore as a gear main stat. Plus, people arent taking into account team buffs and debuffs which will drastically affect which slot 5 stat will come out on top
@@JDxBlade the main problem with testing pen% vs dmg% is that it depends on a ton of factors for example if u have other pen sources pen rises in value if u have other dmg% sources dmg% lowers in value if the enemy has high defense pen rises in value if enemy has low def it lowers in value so theres no direct answer
@krater6858 I agree. But Ice is relatively "easier" to test this right now considering her "best" comp is Lycon and Sokaku. I just want the answer to that specific comp for Ellen users out there
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lmao, I got another one
Rina has the highest Penetration value in the game
does pen% get worse if you defense shred the enemy?
For example:
If you defense shred with nicole enemy has less defense will pen% bypass less defense since there is less defence to bypass? Or is pen% based off the enemies max defense before defense shred
Obv. the more the def shred the lesser would be the effect of pen ratio. For example if the enemy has 1000 def and they get 25% def shred debuff then their def will get reduced to 750. So with the pen ratio you are ignoring a percentage of *remaining* def. (This might change when a character itself ignores def from their kit and has pen ratio over that as most prolly pen ratio will take into account all the def enemy has. I think pen ratio and def ignore will be additive in that case).
Also I don't think the test was even needed to test out which is greater among def shred and pen ratio cuz obviously they both essentially do the same thing.
@@pratikugalmugale9982 well in their other game HSR it behaves very strangely, like theres Def shred and also Def ignore, like you ignore 20% def and the enemy has 30% reduced def it counts as if the enemy had 50% less def, it also ramps up in value, like the higher total def ignore/shred you have the better ever point gets. it might be similiar to that aswell, you can never apply logic or common sense to their games lol
Since it isn't Mentioned here: There is a level coefficient that decreases enemy defence depending on your level. This is important because it makes pen ratio and def shred weaker the higher your own level
Great video! Very useful information. What do you think about comparing Disc Drive Slot 5 main stats? For example, Elemental Damage vs Pen Ratio in a similar test?
TLDR? My characters at ~43 are being whipped by SDefence 10 @lvl 50. No point bashing my head if this is all relieved by simply upping 5 levels on my DPS's and Stunners.
You need to summarize at the end with a side by side with overlays. Like, lvl 50 vs lvl 50 with pen % at x value vs. lvl 50 vs lvl 70 with pen % at x value.
lvl 50 vs lvl 50 with crit ratio and crit damage at x values vs. lvl 50 vs lvl 70 with crit ratio and crit damage at x values
there is an "Attacker Level Coefficient" in the damage formula, it is included in the enemy def multiplier
as the saying goes, "do not put your eggs in 1 basket" - I subscribe to the belief that if your team has a def shred, better go elemental dmg% slot 5, if your team only has atk buffers, your dps need pen ratio, if your team has both an atk buff, and def shred, go elem damage as it is highly likely to reach diminishing returns earlier when it comes to pen ratio
thats usually how most stats in games work, i know that in HSR def ignore/shred is actually an exception to that where every point gets more valuable the more you have until you cap out at 100%, for example 50% def ignore is only 35% more dmg, but having 100% def ignore is actually 110% more dmg. Not sure if it works the same in this game, theres also Flat Pen in this game instead of % so thats already a difference
1. pen ratio and def shred isnt same, its muliplcative stats, 60pen+40defshred =/= 100%def ignor (if you add pen, you will see) + you will see effect reduction of pen/shred then use together.
2. pen/shred has not linear effectivness, bcs defDRcoef. is "1/x-like" function
3. mobs have different DR from def, in resault pen/shred has different effecivness against different mobs and lvls, from +30-50% to 130+% at 100%pen
In your test you neko gained like 60 atk stat and was hitting 60-70dmg more im pretty sure thats why your dmg increased there is a dif in dmg on higher lvl enemies but its like 15% after like 15 levels of difference
Are there even any RPG gacha that don't have level difference in the dmg formula? I feel like it's universal thing in live service games with RPG mechanics. It's just some games balance it a little more forgiving than others.
So if you have Nicole and Rina and Rina W engine would that help shred enemeis faster with pen and defense shred at the same time?
from my guess from wording and testing in vr training, pen ratio is defense ignore % of the enemy and defense shred is based on the enemy base defense
40% ignore and 40% shred is only like 64% ignore/shred, so stacking either one closer to 100 is better than having both
WAIT EOD is stun effected by level?
Whats the best way to farm Denny? I accidentally spent my MASSIVE surplus on materials ........ well my cat did. Im trying to claw my way back into being able to level my drives haha
So is Pen better than Atk % or elemental dmg %, is it better than crit rate/crit dmg?
yes, i had 150 crit dmg and 60 crit rate, i did more dmg with pen. currently abusing pen since crit rate and dmg feels almost useless in this game. Anomaly cant use crit as well.
@@m1ke-hawk-yt152 what do you mean by crit damage is useless in this game?
@@RHDYTstudio I don’t need to prioritize it if pen is gonna be doing more work than both of them
@@RHDYTstudio plus anomaly is gonna be broken and those agents can’t use crit rate or crit dmg so it’s a no need
did you test and see if level has an effect on how much daze/stun gets applied to enemies too?
I've been wondering about this... Thanks!
Can you do a disorder damage maxing/testing video? im wondering why my grace disorder damage is hard stuck at 136k
Maybe pen ratio is good for chars who hv high dmg bonuses on their kit, like 11
i was so waiting for this type of video
does w-engine level under leveled get penalty too?
what is the different defence reduction to Pen if in the end they are calculated the same way?
why do they need to be differentiated?
Tbh the test wasn't even needed for that cuz obv. by definition they are almost the same.
Also they might be separated cuz def shred can be against a specific enemy who has that debuff and pen ratio is for a single character(unless given by a support or ability to the entire team). They could have just changed it to def ignore but that might be hard to understand for some people.
Defence reduction is a debuff on the mob, pen% is a buff on the character. If it makes it easier process, its like attack reduction on the mob vs damage reduction on your character.
Does anyone know if the penalty also applies to stuff like daze/anomaly buildup, or is it just damage?
the build up doesnt seem affected by enemy lvl at all, it probaby just based on the type of enemy. the anomaly dmg can suffer alot from beeing to low level though
How is your interknot level so high?
Content creator and spending money on pulls or pulling in general contributes to the inter level
Stamina refresh = more interknot exp
Content creators are using stamina refreshes.
I'm f2p and if you do everything you can get to 41-42 without spending or doing polychrome refresh
Money
Thanks for the replies yall. Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something.
I wish Hoyoverse just make it clear that Character Level is the most important thing to aim for...
If it is not explicitly mentioned, means it does not have a level penalty
Genshin has th3 concept of level penalty aswell.
There is a level coefficient that makes enemy defence weaker. The calculation is X:(X+Defence)
Why didn't you just remove the gear
For the first test at least, he needed it on so to change from a higher atk piece to a lower one to try and keep the atk values as close as possible even after leveling Nekomata up to 50. But yeah for the rest they could've been removed but not necessary tbh
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