This clip is from a few yrs back if I'm not mistaken. I remember listening to it on *Mind pump*. Shawn has been consistent about this topic for decades lol
Man not only do I agree with Shawn but you gotta respect it. One thing is to get advice from an experienced trainer and another is to fully depend on. These coaches aren’t giving you undecided attention you’re just a number to them.
I've given Shawn some shit as im Aussie and A Lee Priest fan although Shawn was also a favourite bodybuilder though he is spot on with his views on this and intelligent enough to explain why.
Shaun Ray is so right with what he's saying about calories and how much you should eat it just seems bodybuilders are wasting money these days if Shaun did it by himself and was very successful and Dorian Yates did it himself
Great point's here. The part about getting a bit success and the coach being like "you need me" reminds me of Flex Lewis & Neil Hill. Been together since day one, where ever Flex moves, Neil follows. Who ever sponsors Flex, ends up sponsoring Neil as well even though he hasn't been a competitor himself for year's. There's no way Flex doesn't know how to diet & train without Neil, i refuse to believe that.
I will add the emphasis is on owning it and personal responsibility, I don't think accusing trainers of murder helps as its the athlete who accepts to take these diuretic risks that have been well documented since "momo" passed away. ie electrolyte imbalance causing heart failure.
True words by one of the greatest to ever do it. Learn your own body and make changes when you feel you need to. I went from a sloppy 90kg to a ripped 115kg all by myself not listening to the bullshit these so called internet assholes are proclaiming.
100 percent Shawn ! I know people will talk shit about you but I’ve respected the hell out of you for this reason. No matter who you work for you will speak your mind. And you have been calling out these deaths each time this continues to happen. And people saying show me the body’s 🤦♂️ at this point it’s way out of control. It’s sad that we don’t have more people trying to talk about this stuff. I mean there is a safer way to do this thing called bodybuilding. You and Kevin, and Chris and many others seem to be doing good health wise ! Bottom line, there’s a lot of people who don’t have the genetics to do this sport but they take so many drugs that they cut their lives short ! If u don’t have the genetics then it’s not a safe sport specially if u have to take double and triple what the genetically gifted guys have to
I don't agree that calculating macros aren't useful but it's easy to work them out yourself and a lot of the information can be obtained and then self maintained. I also don't agree that having a nutritionist and a trainer is bad, but the individual should be in control.The drug taking is the hard part as you need to find a doctor willing to give advice and work with you. I think you would have a hard time finding a doctor that would say take this and that because it is illegal and many doctors don't specialise in anabolics. Totally agree that people shouldn't listen to some guru. It would be interesting to know who shawn used for legitimate advice on drugs.
The only way this will stop is if there are arrests, charges and convictions at all levels, and a lot of them. Bodybuilders, coaches, and promoters won’t say it, but that’s what needs to happen. Right now the government doubt care, and won’t until a senators kid dies.
Scrutiny and >JUDGMENT< must fall on the food and drug administrations globally and show venue organizations for this beautiful activity to change... Again; A Better We So Me = AWESOME US...
Been a fan of the sport for a long time and seems like now most bodybuilders on all levels are 100% relying on a coach or trainer to tell them everything to do to the smallest detail. I can't imagine how much they have to pay for that sort of thing. Maybe it's time to fire all of them. William Bonac's situation form a few years ago comes to mind.
haha exactly! It's laughable - even when they win a show they thank their coach and so called team before even giving themselves credit! As a bodybuilder you're an artist but that's a long last art Shawn thats why these guys can't even pose or stand on stage without huffing and puffing. Conditioning wise they are much more unbalanced, softer and watery than 80s bodybuilders yet they have a team of gurus misdirecting them!
The more Shawn Ray talks about it from a common sense standpoint. It sure makes a person think about it. He is right and these "guru's" like Aceto...terrible competitor. Palumbo was disgusting and literally has a syndrome named after him. Milos was ok but no threat win the Olympia. Nichols was nothing as a competitor... Then that guy Shelby Starmes who caused a few deaths. He is right on so many ways. Maybe ppl should understand what he is saying here.
The trainer , coach or guru is a PRODUCT of THE SO-CALLED COMPETITIVE COMPETITION SHOWCASE TOURNAMENT... A lot of PHYSIQUE ARTIST did not know what they was doing in the past now BODY SCULPTORS are starting to truly realize that this art culture can be conducted within a better way, with FINANCIAL DIGNITY and BETTER CAMARADERIE to the show venues... Again Sawn Ray is 100% correct.... Within the hopes this helps...
Lol I'm obv not a pro bodybudrr but I've gotten into really good shape just by doing kinda what he said I never counted macros or cal. Just ate healthy food when hungry unt full n for me and most other pllci think it really is that simple. Get a basic understanding of nutrition and apply if and it's lit that simple...
Without these Gurus their wouldn't be a lot of guys competing because they wouldn't know what to do. So in reality they aren't professional bodybuilder because they don't know their own body.
Exaggerated by Shawn Ray. Nothing wrong with having outside help who have expertise in these matters. This is probably why Shawn didn't win the Olympia. In the end the athletes are totally responsible for their own actions. Using PEDS will only bring destruction long term. Most athletes suffer while very few come out healthy. Why doesn't Shawn talk about this while he himself is making money off the industry while knowing that 99.99% of these athletes are taking all sorts of drugs
1 expresses his Opinion on Coaches over stepping their boundaries with athletes and you connect it to "Why he didn't win the Olympia?" Please tell us why Levrone, Wheeler, Labrada, Nasser and Gaspari never won the Olympia?" Asking for a friend🥸
This clip is from a few yrs back if I'm not mistaken. I remember listening to it on *Mind pump*. Shawn has been consistent about this topic for decades lol
This 100% - most gurus and trainers are failed athletes …. Let that sink in 🤔
Shawn i agree 100% with you.You athletes today have given your personal responsibility to coaches ... so sad.
Man not only do I agree with Shawn but you gotta respect it. One thing is to get advice from an experienced trainer and another is to fully depend on. These coaches aren’t giving you undecided attention you’re just a number to them.
shelby has 480 athletes, WTF!!
👏👏👏👏 excellent Shawn Ray! Well said!
Spot on.....legend..speaking the truth..
I've given Shawn some shit as im Aussie and A Lee Priest fan although Shawn was also a favourite bodybuilder though he is spot on with his views on this and intelligent enough to explain why.
To be fair, Lee and Shawn have the same view regarding this.
Yep, Shawn; there are a lot of "GROUP PROJECT PEOPLE"💪🏿💪🏾💪🏽💪🏼💪🏻💪😇
AMEN, AMEN , AMEN, Well Said Shawn, You Just expressed 100% My Same Sentiments and Thoughts :)
Shawn Ray Is a Gem 👌🏿🔥💪🏿
Spot on again. Very true. Nothing more important than learning your body.
Shaun Ray is so right with what he's saying about calories and how much you should eat it just seems bodybuilders are wasting money these days if Shaun did it by himself and was very successful and Dorian Yates did it himself
Own your shit. Applies to more than just BB. Well said, Shawn.
Wow! I’ve talked about this with a few friends years ago. Real as f*ck.
Spot on!!!!
Great point's here. The part about getting a bit success and the coach being like "you need me" reminds me of Flex Lewis & Neil Hill. Been together since day one, where ever Flex moves, Neil follows. Who ever sponsors Flex, ends up sponsoring Neil as well even though he hasn't been a competitor himself for year's. There's no way Flex doesn't know how to diet & train without Neil, i refuse to believe that.
Is just a comertial deal
I like it. Do it yourself. Great video!!!
Different breed.
I LOVE IT!!!! I wanted to gain weight... I ate!! lol
Excellent Information Video
I agree absolutely 💯 Very wise words.
I will add the emphasis is on owning it and personal responsibility, I don't think accusing trainers of murder helps as its the athlete who accepts to take these diuretic risks that have been well documented since "momo" passed away. ie electrolyte imbalance causing heart failure.
True words by one of the greatest to ever do it. Learn your own body and make changes when you feel you need to. I went from a sloppy 90kg to a ripped 115kg all by myself not listening to the bullshit these so called internet assholes are proclaiming.
Some truth in this As I am. A 61 year old Natural Pro Bodybuilder .
Love it. Sunglasses indoors.
Lol
Good advice
Straight talk no bull shit love it
Shawn Ray and John Brown? Shawn was privileged to have a bodybuilder like John Brown in the beginning to teach him to train like a bodybuilder.
100 percent Shawn ! I know people will talk shit about you but I’ve respected the hell out of you for this reason. No matter who you work for you will speak your mind. And you have been calling out these deaths each time this continues to happen. And people saying show me the body’s 🤦♂️ at this point it’s way out of control. It’s sad that we don’t have more people trying to talk about this stuff. I mean there is a safer way to do this thing called bodybuilding. You and Kevin, and Chris and many others seem to be doing good health wise !
Bottom line, there’s a lot of people who don’t have the genetics to do this sport but they take so many drugs that they cut their lives short !
If u don’t have the genetics then it’s not a safe sport specially if u have to take double and triple what the genetically gifted guys have to
BIG FACTS
I don't agree that calculating macros aren't useful but it's easy to work them out yourself and a lot of the information can be obtained and then self maintained. I also don't agree that having a nutritionist and a trainer is bad, but the individual should be in control.The drug taking is the hard part as you need to find a doctor willing to give advice and work with you. I think you would have a hard time finding a doctor that would say take this and that because it is illegal and many doctors don't specialise in anabolics. Totally agree that people shouldn't listen to some guru. It would be interesting to know who shawn used for legitimate advice on drugs.
The sexy voice of Shawn Ray
The only way this will stop is if there are arrests, charges and convictions at all levels, and a lot of them. Bodybuilders, coaches, and promoters won’t say it, but that’s what needs to happen. Right now the government doubt care, and won’t until a senators kid dies.
Scrutiny and >JUDGMENT< must fall on the food and drug administrations globally and show venue organizations for this beautiful activity to change...
Again; A Better We So Me = AWESOME US...
Been a fan of the sport for a long time and seems like now most bodybuilders on all levels are 100% relying on a coach or trainer to tell them everything to do to the smallest detail. I can't imagine how much they have to pay for that sort of thing. Maybe it's time to fire all of them. William Bonac's situation form a few years ago comes to mind.
agree 100%
Where is this full interview?
It's from a few yrs back on the mind pump podcast
William Bonac' almost became Mr. Olympia with no coach or guru.
haha exactly! It's laughable - even when they win a show they thank their coach and so called team before even giving themselves credit! As a bodybuilder you're an artist but that's a long last art Shawn thats why these guys can't even pose or stand on stage without huffing and puffing. Conditioning wise they are much more unbalanced, softer and watery than 80s bodybuilders yet they have a team of gurus misdirecting them!
Everyone is a beta now, no more Alphas.
The more Shawn Ray talks about it from a common sense standpoint. It sure makes a person think about it. He is right and these "guru's" like Aceto...terrible competitor. Palumbo was disgusting and literally has a syndrome named after him. Milos was ok but no threat win the Olympia. Nichols was nothing as a competitor... Then that guy Shelby Starmes who caused a few deaths. He is right on so many ways. Maybe ppl should understand what he is saying here.
The trainer , coach or guru is a PRODUCT of THE SO-CALLED COMPETITIVE COMPETITION SHOWCASE TOURNAMENT...
A lot of PHYSIQUE ARTIST did not know what they was doing in the past now BODY SCULPTORS are starting to truly realize that this art culture can be conducted within a better way, with FINANCIAL DIGNITY and BETTER CAMARADERIE to the show venues...
Again Sawn Ray is 100% correct....
Within the hopes this helps...
bingo! 1/4 turn to the left.... how many egg whites did you have today?😂🙄
Heyyyy where could I find this podcast????
Edit- ua-cam.com/video/ZmxEIxoMA7I/v-deo.html
Lol I'm obv not a pro bodybudrr but I've gotten into really good shape just by doing kinda what he said I never counted macros or cal. Just ate healthy food when hungry unt full n for me and most other pllci think it really is that simple. Get a basic understanding of nutrition and apply if and it's lit that simple...
basedAF
I love what Shawn has to say but he has an habit of wearing friggin sunglasses indoors. Jesus!
You ever wonder or ask why? Don't be bothered if you don't know the answer. 🤜🏽
@@DigitalMuscleTV I've never read or heard an answer.
He has an eye condition That’s why he wears sunglasses inside.
This will trigger so many IFBBers. And NPCers. Quit being lazy and do your own shit it's pathetic. This era is weak asf.
Without these Gurus their wouldn't be a lot of guys competing because they wouldn't know what to do. So in reality they aren't professional bodybuilder because they don't know their own body.
Exaggerated by Shawn Ray. Nothing wrong with having outside help who have expertise in these matters. This is probably why Shawn didn't win the Olympia. In the end the athletes are totally responsible for their own actions. Using PEDS will only bring destruction long term. Most athletes suffer while very few come out healthy. Why doesn't Shawn talk about this while he himself is making money off the industry while knowing that 99.99% of these athletes are taking all sorts of drugs
1 expresses his Opinion on Coaches over stepping their boundaries with athletes and you connect it to "Why he didn't win the Olympia?"
Please tell us why Levrone, Wheeler, Labrada, Nasser and Gaspari never won the Olympia?"
Asking for a friend🥸