British L129A1 Sharpshooter Rifle

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  • With the British military's return to Afghanistan in the Global War on Terror, it was found that the very long engagement ranges made it necessary to have a 7.62mm designated marksman's rifle, in addition to the 5.56mm scoped rifles in service. This was not unique to the British military; the US came to the same conclusion and addressed it by reissuing M14 rifles in new stock systems. The British, however, put out a tender for a new 7.62mm rifle in 2009 (the FAL being not sufficiently accurate to meet this need).
    The final contenders for the role were the H&K 417 and the Lewis Machine & Tool LM7 rifle - basically a Stoner SR25 or AR-10 using the original Stoner quasi-direct-impingement action. LMT was chosen as the winner and formally adopted as the L129A1 in October of 2009, with rifles entering field service by May of 2010.
    The L129A1 has proven effective and popular enough that the British military is currently looking to expend its role to that of sniper support weapon. This would involve a change in anticipated targets to enemies wearing body armor, which the current 7.62mm projectiles are not particularly good at defeating. A new projectile is in development with a steel penetrator tip (in principle similar to the 5.56mm SS109 projectile) to allow the L129A1 to fill this new role as well.
    Armament Research Services (ARES) is a specialist technical intelligence consultancy, offering expertise and analysis to a range of government and non-government entities in the arms and munitions field. For detailed photos of the guns in this video, don't miss the ARES companion blog post:
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  • @Dumbo8234
    @Dumbo8234 3 роки тому +1417

    In England the "sniper support dude" is called the "sniper support chap".

  • @darkspire91
    @darkspire91 7 років тому +889

    I'm not the only one who REALLY likes when Ian covers modern weapons alongside the collectible ones as well, right?

    • @diondaugher4893
      @diondaugher4893 3 роки тому +1

      ]p0

    • @iteor7320
      @iteor7320 3 роки тому +1

      Nope

    • @TheTorakka
      @TheTorakka 3 роки тому +2

      cannot double click like for really liking. unlike :( sad

    • @vilandar
      @vilandar 3 роки тому +7

      Modern weapons are future collectibles. :)

    • @schmechel6888
      @schmechel6888 3 роки тому +3

      Imagine in 20 years when some of the more modern weapons have become “forgotten”! we’ll all be lighting the comments up like yo this shit is fire I remember these!! Lol I always think about the older folk in the gun community watching these videos!

  • @srspower
    @srspower 7 років тому +1509

    You are VERY privileged to have been able to shoot section 5 firearms here in the UK. At my club one guy is a section 5 dealer and he brings down select fire rifles etc to the club. But when he is shooting not only can we not have a go we can't even be on the same range as him. We can't even see him shoot.

    • @nolanolivier6791
      @nolanolivier6791 7 років тому +84

      Hey, i didn't know you were a fellow disciple of gun jesus!

    • @0jutai
      @0jutai 7 років тому +259

      It makes him sound like a mythical creature. The mysterious being that, according to legend possesses centerfire guns. Like a gun Jesus or something.

    • @PaddyInf
      @PaddyInf 7 років тому +358

      srspower Yet they allow cadets to shoot section 5 firearms all the time (L98A2 cadet GP is 5.56 semi automatic and the L86A2 LSW is semi/fully automatic select fire). There is no reason that a person can't shoot someone else's section 5 firearm, they just can't legally own it without the licence. Sounds like your club are just being arseholes.

    • @marcusburgess9393
      @marcusburgess9393 7 років тому +31

      PaddyInf Cadets do need to do a two day training course on the rifles however, they aren't just allowed to let rip...

    • @gophop
      @gophop 6 років тому +128

      They should ban movies with guns in them for the UK market. For the children.

  • @ChaplainPhantasm
    @ChaplainPhantasm 4 роки тому +329

    "One of the problems with the SCAR Heavy is that it was too light."
    Man, I love this level of irony in the gun world

    • @fademusic1980
      @fademusic1980 4 роки тому +25

      That's some pretty heavy irony

    • @ChaplainPhantasm
      @ChaplainPhantasm 4 роки тому +4

      @@fademusic1980 Pun intended?

    • @fademusic1980
      @fademusic1980 4 роки тому

      @@ChaplainPhantasm quite.

    • @davitdavid7165
      @davitdavid7165 3 роки тому +3

      You did too good of a job! We dont like it!

    • @TheInfamousMrFox
      @TheInfamousMrFox 2 роки тому +11

      @@davitdavid7165 Not being able to hold sight picture between rounds isn't a good job. Probably why SOCOM cancelled their procurement order back in 2010.

  • @Schmidt54
    @Schmidt54 7 років тому +1289

    The Germans also needed such a rifle, guess what... "Hans we have thousands of old G3 in stock!" - "Say no more..."

    • @QuantumLeclerc
      @QuantumLeclerc 7 років тому +176

      >tfw your civvie rifle is better than your high performance military rifle in trials

    • @Schmidt54
      @Schmidt54 7 років тому +100

      That is pretty much what the German army did for their Afghanistan deployment. They retro-fitted G3 rifles with scopes and some mods to make them DMR-like.

    • @Schmidt54
      @Schmidt54 7 років тому +71

      Yeah, but G3 were available, new stuff must be ordered and bought and that takes a long time. Of course there are better options than the G3, but they had to use something with a larger calibre.

    • @Landsknecht89
      @Landsknecht89 7 років тому +4

      More like hundred thousands.

    • @rickansell661
      @rickansell661 7 років тому +13

      What we (the UK) did was issue our previous Sniper Rifle (the 7.62 L96 / L118 - same Accuracy International family as our current ones, the Lapua Magnum L115) to the Designated Marksmen whilst the selection and production of the L129 was underway.

  • @weeman9869
    @weeman9869 3 роки тому +253

    It might interest you to know that for about 6 years most, if not all the British military L129A1's had the wrong optic. Some fool procured the TA648-50 with a .50 BMG bullet drop compensator reticles opposed to the TA648-308 model.

    • @abritishguy7295
      @abritishguy7295 3 роки тому +53

      we have 20,000 pen pushers, yet they cant even get the right scope for a rifle....

    • @mjmorgan2114
      @mjmorgan2114 3 роки тому +44

      @@abritishguy7295 , correct; the pen pushers had no idea there were specific scopes for individual calibers of rifles. I dare say, most non-"skill at arms" trained military service members would likely make the same error...

    • @abritishguy7295
      @abritishguy7295 3 роки тому +8

      @@mjmorgan2114 yep, the sad reality of the British army and it's government

    • @ryanbrewis6990
      @ryanbrewis6990 3 роки тому +8

      @@abritishguy7295 I doubt they're any better in other countries.

    • @abritishguy7295
      @abritishguy7295 3 роки тому +2

      @@ryanbrewis6990 but the UK has some of the most incompetent ones though

  • @Twiggyay
    @Twiggyay 7 років тому +211

    "that arms the sniper's support... Dude".
    Love ya, Ian.

  • @paulandsueroberts4121
    @paulandsueroberts4121 7 років тому +189

    Great to see you in the UK hope you're having a good time.

    • @timturbo7727
      @timturbo7727 3 роки тому +4

      It's not france so I'm sure he hates it

    • @SirZanZa
      @SirZanZa 3 роки тому +3

      @@timturbo7727 no one likes France, its just a middle east ghetto. saw less terrorists in Afghanistan

    • @TheInfamousMrFox
      @TheInfamousMrFox 2 роки тому

      @@SirZanZa And they have half the Muslim population of 3rd world Russia.

  • @keikuru1
    @keikuru1 7 років тому +38

    I'm British and really appreciate these videos, learned so much about domestic firearms and firearm history in general - really love the mechanical aspect of it, especially on the old bolt actions and early machine guns =)

  • @Mak_0007
    @Mak_0007 7 років тому +475

    "Too light." Never knew such a problem could exist for a gun. Its also funny the H in the Scar H stands for "Heavy".

    • @fidjeenjanrjsnsfh
      @fidjeenjanrjsnsfh 6 років тому +41

      Try rechambering a .22lr rifle to .50BMG.
      Heavy, as in "heavy caliber":7.62

    • @weasle2904
      @weasle2904 6 років тому +74

      The heavy is more of a designation for it's caliber, rather than it's actual weight. It's chambered for 7.62 Nato. Whereas The Scar Light is chambered in 5.56 Nato.

    • @borismuller86
      @borismuller86 6 років тому +19

      If you think about it, the weight of the gun counteracts the recoil kick.

    • @stevepirie8130
      @stevepirie8130 6 років тому +4

      I thought it meant heavy barrel.

    • @nicy4655
      @nicy4655 6 років тому +1

      The scar is more of a large (bigger than 556) assault rifle, surprised to hear it was even a contender.

  • @Yutter89
    @Yutter89 7 років тому +53

    Love seeing companies like LMT win modern contracts.

  • @Hacker_lyx
    @Hacker_lyx 7 років тому +13

    "The problem they had with the Scar Heavy interestingly, it was too light." dunno why but that line killed me.

    • @DatGrunt
      @DatGrunt 7 років тому

      That took a little bit for me to process lmao

  • @killzoneisa
    @killzoneisa 7 років тому +311

    Look at those SLRs.

    • @Turgz
      @Turgz 7 років тому +29

      killzone isa Only the bottom one is a SLR, the rest are actual FALs.

    • @recceeboy1237
      @recceeboy1237 6 років тому +6

      killzone isa I carried an enfield build l1a2 heavier barreled l1 with 10 power scope cheek rest and modified pistol grip it was very accurate.

    • @gabriel.9959
      @gabriel.9959 6 років тому +2

      no they are all SLRs

    • @druidhjjjd7707
      @druidhjjjd7707 6 років тому +4

      Bottom 2 are SLRs, upper 2 are FN FALs.
      Different safety, large knob on SLR, small on FN.
      Also rear sight is higher on the SLR but folds down when not in use. FN is fixed.

    • @waynesimpson2074
      @waynesimpson2074 5 років тому +1

      @Oliver Googlypops SLRs don't like the sand box at all according to my old uncle. Also,he wasn't the heaviest built squadie ever and the SLR bossed him around , tabbing and slotting...and that's without the ability to go full auto remember.

  • @olliemoss6134
    @olliemoss6134 7 років тому +668

    You can tell Ian is in England when he goes on the range because there are singing birds a wooden fence and the range looks hardly used!

    • @helenharding1753
      @helenharding1753 6 років тому +98

      I work at that range and can tell you thousands of rounds are in those butts. The fence is to stop empty cases flying up the bank and buggering up the mowers. Ian didn’t even hand out a t shirt which was a bit disappointing.

    • @helenharding1753
      @helenharding1753 5 років тому +7

      ThunderBuddy I’m afraid not its a military range

    • @MrLongbow1415
      @MrLongbow1415 5 років тому +23

      Well he isn't in the US that's for sure, after all you guys just kill students in collages....you all must be so proud.

    • @drussthelegend2046
      @drussthelegend2046 5 років тому +80

      Huh? Not many actually shootings in Collages, maybe a picture of one ...... I am guessing you didnt make it to college

    • @AWMJoeyjoejoe
      @AWMJoeyjoejoe 5 років тому +55

      A collage of dead students? Pretty grim art project, I'd say.

  • @RB-xv4si
    @RB-xv4si 3 роки тому +3

    I have a hard time believing anyone has forgotten about a rifle this badass.

  • @benhunneyball5158
    @benhunneyball5158 6 років тому +2

    Thank you for all the work you put into these video's. It really is so refreshing to hear someone who's done their research and remains objective! Love your work!

  • @keironbradbury8534
    @keironbradbury8534 6 років тому +8

    I absolutely loved this weapon system. Hands down the finest rifle i have had the privilege to use. We used both that and the Sniper support version on Herrick 17. The one weapon i would love to own in the future.

  • @aredfern1992
    @aredfern1992 7 років тому +17

    Ian is in the UK?! Huge fan of your work, and thanks for featuring some great (and not so great) British firearms. Keep up the fantastic work :)

  • @GRAV.
    @GRAV. 7 років тому

    i really enjoyed the video. ever since i saw the L129 A1 i loved it and i especailly loved the 6x optic. im really happy you decided to make a video on it. thanks and i hope to see many more great videos to come! keep up the great work of keeping forgotten weapons alive.

  • @JohnMahon
    @JohnMahon 7 років тому +2

    I've had a hold of this weapon and looking down the scope is an absolute pleasure, Magnificently crisp reticle and the sight picture is amazing. I think it costs more than the weapon it sits on aswell, but when you use it you can see why. Great review Ian, its cool you featured the exact weapons tested aswell.

  • @tenebrousabyss
    @tenebrousabyss 7 років тому +75

    SCAR Heavy is too light... the irony is palpable.

  • @mjpraetorian4386
    @mjpraetorian4386 3 роки тому +7

    "The SCAR-H is too light"
    Sounds like the military alright

  • @bunkyboy9156
    @bunkyboy9156 7 років тому +2

    it's cool you got to come over here, hope you had a good time.

  • @brucewilliams6292
    @brucewilliams6292 6 років тому

    Incredible that you got the chance to do that! Good on you and thank you to Shriven armory for allowing it to happen. :) I miss the UK

  • @CaptainScorchMane
    @CaptainScorchMane 7 років тому +21

    oh boy ian's in the UK
    get hyped for him sieging windsor castle to look at napoleon's hunting shotgun

  • @chemicaldemoneye
    @chemicaldemoneye 6 років тому +6

    this guy has the most awesome job ever

  • @Nevernotalone
    @Nevernotalone 6 років тому

    That first shot was a practice shot you’re all good.Another great video by the way.Doubt I would have learned anything about this very interesting piece of hardware without your channel. Thank you

  • @jasonguest5820
    @jasonguest5820 7 років тому +2

    I greatly enjoy how you've turned a bunch of obscure knowledge into something like a career.

  • @TexasToastGuitars
    @TexasToastGuitars 7 років тому +9

    I bought an LMT MWS and I absolutely love it... I ended up selling my M1A that was all tricked out and don't miss it... even a little bit.
    BTW it was cool to see Ian on Gun Stories last night.
    Keep on rockin' in the free world.

  • @nathanbrunt390
    @nathanbrunt390 6 років тому +7

    Has he ran out of actual forgotten weapons lol. Love this channel

  • @bradg1436
    @bradg1436 6 років тому +2

    Fantastic rifle, and a fantastic review. Love how you touched on the ACOG 6x38mm too.

  • @PRACERZ
    @PRACERZ 7 років тому

    As always Ian , another great video !! Thanks , love what you do for us !! 👍

  • @brianzimmerman4837
    @brianzimmerman4837 5 років тому +4

    The second I saw the DI vents, I got really happy

  • @MrNicholasAaron
    @MrNicholasAaron 7 років тому +5

    The birds haven't returned yet in Winnipeg, and I found the soundtrack behind the shooting component quite refreshing.

  • @donewithmodernlife
    @donewithmodernlife 7 років тому

    Informative & entertaining as per usual Ian. From one left handed shooter to another thank you for your hard work & consistently solid content.

  • @jackschwinkendorf677
    @jackschwinkendorf677 7 років тому +1

    I'm so jealous Ian that you get to fondle and shoot all these amazing pieces of history!

  • @MikeLeFish
    @MikeLeFish 4 роки тому +62

    As a fellow Southpaw, I’d MUCH rather get my hands on one of those than the goddamn L85 I’m supposed to deal with. “Sir, I’m left-handed and left eye dominant.” “Not anymore, you’re not!” FFS...

    • @modelrailwaynoob
      @modelrailwaynoob 4 роки тому +6

      You aint a proper leftie if you can't be the righties with your right hand. At least I always did. They also told me I couldn't fire my personal weapon (Stirling SMG) left handed. I showed them that you could. Of course it was a right handed range guy who said you can't. It helped to fire with both, so I could shoot around the left and right hand corner of buildings :)

    • @oh_hi_mark8586
      @oh_hi_mark8586 4 роки тому +1

      If you did fire it left handed you'd be left eye domin-. Left eyed.

    • @modelrailwaynoob
      @modelrailwaynoob 4 роки тому +6

      @@oh_hi_mark8586 Generally, right handed people are right eye dominant and left handed people left handed dominant. However I shoot right handed with my right eye but I am left handed. People who cannot do this generally have an eye problem and would not pass military medicals. A friend of mine is left handed and still uses his left eye when right shouldering a weapon. He looks very odd.

    • @oh_hi_mark8586
      @oh_hi_mark8586 4 роки тому

      @@modelrailwaynoob I get that. I was kinda refering to getting empty cases launched in your face.
      If you missed that joke then I'd be worried if you tried to specialise as a sniper

    • @mikeymarmalade
      @mikeymarmalade 4 роки тому +3

      @@oh_hi_mark8586 it was a shit joke kid. Listen to soldiers and former soldiers who actually know and learn something. You don't get anything in your face if you do it properly.

  • @ethanlay3893
    @ethanlay3893 6 років тому +13

    Good to see the scar HEAVY lives up to its name

    • @ironraccoon3536
      @ironraccoon3536 5 років тому +6

      Well FAL translates to Light Automatic Rifle.

  • @selfco2256
    @selfco2256 4 роки тому

    Another excellent and very insightful video, keep em coming.

  • @Stephnist
    @Stephnist 7 років тому +1

    I really enjoy your knowledge of British weapons, please continue!

  • @B60IN3
    @B60IN3 7 років тому +435

    Did you earn a badge?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  7 років тому +416

      Not even close. :)

    • @ABowlofPho
      @ABowlofPho 7 років тому +12

      Forgotten Weapons I know you're not that much of a shooter, but when you were shooting at the table I saw you were shooting right handed. Why didn't you go left the handed there at the moment? I'm sure that would have been better.

    • @outshimed
      @outshimed 7 років тому +4

      What distance were you shooting from?

    • @JimBrodie
      @JimBrodie 7 років тому +1

      Shouldn't have shot your 'Soupaw', Ian. =]

    • @garethfairclough8715
      @garethfairclough8715 7 років тому +12

      Before then I think. I remember seeing them in service in late 2009. Heck, we were issuing them out by the dozen from the supply depot on Camp Bastion I worked at for a while! The Paras were using them, as were the Royal Irish and the other units on that tour.
      I'm pretty sure I saw a few in Iraq in 2008 as well, though that may have been a different weapon or guys who came from Afghanistan.

  • @Karboooo
    @Karboooo 7 років тому +12

    "the sniper's support dude" lol

  • @PrParrot
    @PrParrot 7 років тому

    So cool to have you in the UK Ian. Hope you enjoy your stay.

  • @BennettIsAmazing
    @BennettIsAmazing 7 років тому +2

    As an Englishman interested in this rifle and having been disappointed with what I could find out easily online - THANK YOU

  • @jordanboyle539
    @jordanboyle539 6 років тому +18

    I can tell you from first hand use this is a fantastic weapon system.

    • @Excalibur01
      @Excalibur01 6 років тому

      It's a nice rifle, but a bit on the heavy side for me as a combat weapon or for long hikes

  • @McMonkeyful
    @McMonkeyful 7 років тому +88

    The British Army has such a patchy record over the years for adopting firearms. Some greats like the SMLE, Bren, SLR & FN MAG and some stinkers like the early SA80 (a relative of mine was involved in this decision I'm sad to say). Good to see us quickly identifying the need and finding the ideal weapon to fill it. This looks like a fine rifle.

    • @Fellowwelshman
      @Fellowwelshman 6 років тому

      This isn’t replacing the sa80 we’re not allowed in a sharpshooter using this and it’s a good weapon system but I would prefer the sa80a2 in my opinion

    • @dernwine
      @dernwine 6 років тому +2

      Can't wait to get to shoot the L85A3!!!

    • @direwolfgaming4905
      @direwolfgaming4905 5 років тому +1

      The sa80a2 is a good rifle and i cant waiy to try the sa80a3

    • @EvidensInsania
      @EvidensInsania 5 років тому +28

      Really our problems all date back to the US insisting on making the 7.62 NATO the standard rather than the superior .280 British which led to the EM-2 rifle being dropped so our small arms industry went a generation without making anything and simply lost their necessary skills. Which is a real shame because the EM-2 was a fantastic weapon and easily the best assault rifle around at the time.

    • @G1NZOU
      @G1NZOU 4 роки тому +1

      I think using the SMLE for so long, (while a really adequate bolt action rifle for combat at the time, especially with doctrine and training that favoured it) really was a detriment to British military small arms, all the new talent at Enfield while designing the later stages of what would result in the SA80 weren't the generation who designed previous small arms, and didn't have the proper experience.
      Not to mention the adoption of the FAL was kind of stunted from the start when the US forced the rest of NATO into using 7.62x5mm instead of .280 British like many agreed was a fine round, with the promise that they'd also adopt the FAL, which they went back on anyway. Things might have been different if Britain's EM-2 had been adopted more widely before being dropped and development continued naturally along that route instead of being shelved and only the bullpup concept being tinkered with every decade for ages with more and more bad ergonomic choices added along the way.
      Add on top of that Enfield is pretty much being sold at that point so a low point for staff's pride in their work.

  • @wallooga
    @wallooga 6 років тому

    Really informative and excruciatingly accurate weapon Bio's, nice job Yank.

  • @HiredDriver
    @HiredDriver 7 років тому

    It's always great to see how the gun performs in action.

  • @Daimo83
    @Daimo83 4 роки тому +3

    "A very nice piece of kit :D "

  • @book5ter
    @book5ter 7 років тому +44

    @Ian Was there a reason why they didn't go for the HK417?
    Or was it just the usual HK pricing.
    Just curious since i am german.

    • @Fedaykin24
      @Fedaykin24 7 років тому +67

      According to the trials unit the LMT L129A1 performed better, they were procured under whats called a 'UOR' (Urgent Operational Requirement). With a UOR pricing is not the key consideration just getting the best performance to the soldier as soon as possible. A UOR is paid for out of the Treasury's emergency contingency fund not the Ministry of Defence Budget.
      There is a catch at the end of a conflict equipment procured under a UOR has to be disposed of/sold off to provide best value to the Tax Payer and dissuade the Military from using it as a sneaky way to increase their budget! If the military wants to keep a UOR procured weapons system they have to pay a quarter of its purchase value out of their own budget to the Treasury. That means most UOR procured equipment is not kept for the long term, the L129A1 is being kept but the MOD had to pay the Treasury for the pleasure.

    • @book5ter
      @book5ter 7 років тому +1

      thanks

    • @commando552
      @commando552 7 років тому +6

      It was mainly price. The HK417 was actually adopted by some units before the L129A1 was procured, most significantly by special forces and the SFSG, but it was also used by the Royal Marines for a period but was replaced once the L129A1 became standard.

    • @Fedaykin24
      @Fedaykin24 7 років тому +3

      The former head of the trials unit is thoroughly sick of people asking that question by all accounts!

    • @Fedaykin24
      @Fedaykin24 7 років тому +22

      No the L129A1 performed better than the HK417 that is the reason given by the Infantry Trials & Development unit at Warminster (ITDU). Whilst the LMT rifle was cheaper that was not the primary consideration as this was a UOR and the money was coming from the Treasury contingency fund. Performance especially in hot sandy conditions was the primary consideration not cost.
      By all accounts the former head of the ITDU is utterly sick of people making that assumption about cost.
      The L129A1 from LMT won out performance wise, if the HK417 had performed better it would have been selected!

  • @Fishyninjabreadman
    @Fishyninjabreadman 7 років тому

    I studied at the DAUK, a fantastic place to study, lots of hisotry fantastic tutors and again a full armoury is always a bonus.

  • @MLplayer
    @MLplayer 7 років тому

    I love this gun,glad to see you've done a video on it,thank you :)

  • @blue2usk330
    @blue2usk330 7 років тому +24

    Hi Ian, Do you think NATO should standardize 7.62x51 magazines just like the 5.56x45 STANAG mags?

    • @A-G-F-
      @A-G-F- 5 років тому +10

      They should have done that since the G3 era

    • @xmm-cf5eg
      @xmm-cf5eg 4 роки тому +5

      I think they should, the magazine is one of the corners of gun design, a bad mag can ruin a good gun.

  • @kampase
    @kampase 7 років тому +3

    You're in the UK? Any chance you'll be turning up in the Royal Armouries in Leeds?

  • @MrBandholm
    @MrBandholm 7 років тому +1

    Looks like a really nice rifle, and a good kit for future operations.

  • @jonathanhoup9988
    @jonathanhoup9988 Рік тому

    love whenever Ian references an expensive gun related to the one his talking about.... *pulls expensive rifles from under desk*

  • @desroin
    @desroin 7 років тому +6

    Comparing one of these western DMR's to the Dragunov would be interesting I think

    • @sid35gb
      @sid35gb 5 років тому

      DesRoin well he’s in the right place I’m pretty sure they’d have one in the armoury to do the comparison.

  • @MrH1990s
    @MrH1990s 7 років тому +19

    I love this rifle. I'll be training with it soon

    • @transamination
      @transamination 3 роки тому +2

      This thing looks so cool. Nice to see UK army get to use some cool guns now and not just SA80 variations.

    • @alistairbolden6340
      @alistairbolden6340 3 роки тому +3

      @@transamination The SA80 L85A2 is honestly extreamly good good right now, but yes I agree ;D

    • @mrpusser0348
      @mrpusser0348 3 роки тому +1

      have you left yet?

    • @MrH1990s
      @MrH1990s 3 роки тому +1

      @@mrpusser0348 yeah I’m out now

    • @mrpusser0348
      @mrpusser0348 3 роки тому

      @@MrH1990s aren’t we all 😂

  • @mickyflange6123
    @mickyflange6123 7 років тому

    Love this guys reviews!

  • @DC-tt6zc
    @DC-tt6zc 5 років тому

    Lovely piece of kit this, served me well.

  • @shugo541
    @shugo541 7 років тому +19

    depending where exactly in the UK gun jesus is, i want to take him for a beer

  • @esrvdb88
    @esrvdb88 7 років тому +5

    How bout that trigger reset eh? Nice

  • @sid35gb
    @sid35gb 5 років тому

    Wow that brought back memories I remember shooting the iron sighted version of the SA80 at Shrivenham back in the 80’s probably on that very same range. Very interesting video.

  • @SpLiC3
    @SpLiC3 6 років тому

    Really informative, clear and concise. The major tv networks could do worse than get you to present some weapons shows.

  • @oddball-soul
    @oddball-soul 7 років тому +28

    Amazing that you have been able to access such a weapon and facility here in the UK.
    Things are looking up
    Hope you enjoy your visit

  • @linusdn2777
    @linusdn2777 3 роки тому +15

    I am here today at the Defense academy in the UK, courtesy of Ares: The God Of War.

    • @jbloun911
      @jbloun911 Рік тому

      he's not a god, God created him

    • @linusdn2777
      @linusdn2777 Рік тому

      @@jbloun911 He's still a god.

    • @jbloun911
      @jbloun911 Рік тому

      @@linusdn2777 no he's not. He's below the one true God. Dumb fallen angel

  • @marcuswagner3918
    @marcuswagner3918 7 років тому

    I love the echo, makes youbsoumd more authoritative.

  • @dylanp.5161
    @dylanp.5161 5 років тому

    Maybe the coolest gun you have filmed. I like. Keep up the great work Ian.

  • @jucyfruit742
    @jucyfruit742 7 років тому +544

    But does it have a pommel you can throw?

    • @jayonserrao8763
      @jayonserrao8763 7 років тому +17

      word burst aaaayyy lmao

    • @-MarcelDavis-
      @-MarcelDavis- 7 років тому +45

      we need a device that is capable of launching a pommel over 300 meters using a counterweight. Either that or you shoot them with the rifle and than run up to them and smack them with your back up pommel

    • @tothethreshold.9965
      @tothethreshold.9965 7 років тому +37

      As a firearm, it lacks the feature. The bayonet however may do as for the honor the queen we must finish our enemies rightly !.

    • @Bakron97
      @Bakron97 7 років тому

      +ratbike rider i like where you are going with this

    • @KJRUSS0
      @KJRUSS0 7 років тому +35

      End him rightly!

  • @larquefausse3623
    @larquefausse3623 6 років тому +4

    That original AR-10 on the wall, though...

  • @blue2sco
    @blue2sco 5 років тому +2

    "Sniper Support Dude"= new name for Spotter

  • @arondeguzman6303
    @arondeguzman6303 4 роки тому

    I love watching the history of the weapons and how they came to be

  • @gavinwolfe3713
    @gavinwolfe3713 7 років тому +4

    Hi all. Any info Ian on how it performs in the traditional rifleman role compared to standard British rifle. What I mean is in its squad role it surely has to be able to be used effectively in for instance, a room clearing role. Are their any tactical ramifications if it significantly underperforms in these kind of situations?

    • @Xenol1997
      @Xenol1997 7 років тому

      I would guess that the extra length and the scope magnification would make it much more impractical for these kind of operations in comparison to the L85.

    • @ekscalybur
      @ekscalybur 7 років тому

      The rifle is too heavy for that role. The ammunition is FAR to heavy for that role.

    • @xt6wagon
      @xt6wagon 7 років тому +4

      Still works fine. Not ideal in a tight building, but it has a red dot for short range work, and still puts holes in things if you pull the trigger. No worse than a guy swinging around a FAL or M14.

    • @ATH_Berkshire
      @ATH_Berkshire 7 років тому +5

      Emperor_Xenolius true, one of the design missions of the L85 was supposed to be jumping out of the back of a Land Rover, kicking in a house door in West Belfast and clearing the house. Bulpups have their problems but the are generally good in tight spaces.

    • @Xenol1997
      @Xenol1997 7 років тому +3

      " No worse than a guy swinging around a FAL or M14." guess why they stopped using M14s and FALs lol

  • @Molentik
    @Molentik 7 років тому +196

    I just have one important question; does it make tea?

    • @genericdave8420
      @genericdave8420 7 років тому +47

      No, but it does potentially make teabags out of bad guys.

    • @CabbageBloke
      @CabbageBloke 7 років тому +10

      You need a BV on a British military vehicle for that ;-)

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge 7 років тому +45

      Now to explain to our Colonial Cousins, BV is a Boiling Vessel. Tea Bags are a modern abomination where by the TEA (That is something you can drink other than Coffe , it is not poisinous. ) leafs are wedged between two bits of towel, so they don't spread out into the cup. We do not dump it into the local harbour by the way. It is not true that the British Army interupts it's battles at 4 pm every day for Afternoon Tea. Battles are fought in bettween the time it takes the kettle to boil and the TEA to brew, About 3 minutes is accepted as the correct interval. I hope this clears any Cultural Clashes. :-)

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge 7 років тому +10

      So? People will pay a fortune for Coffe beans that have been through the a Civet cat. Adds a whole new outlook to eat S*it and die. though WHY did someone want to try it in the first place?

    • @wikieditspam
      @wikieditspam 7 років тому +4

      +51WCDodge I think r h was joking, but that's an excellent response.

  • @Naraku150
    @Naraku150 7 років тому

    god I love this channel and this man!

  • @IcedReaver
    @IcedReaver 7 років тому

    Nice video! Didn't realise you visited us here in the UK and also write for ARES. Since you "enjoy" our country roads so much I'd reccomend you head over to the MOD ranges in Brecon, Wales when you're over next. I always have great fun shooting up there!

  • @jasonfedeli
    @jasonfedeli 7 років тому +8

    Interesting, I feel the SCAR-H is one of the lightest recoiling 7.62 rifles i have shot

    • @DannyPBradley
      @DannyPBradley 7 років тому

      Pop

    • @GunFunZS
      @GunFunZS 7 років тому +3

      it isn't just total recoil, it's how disturbed is the sight picture, shot to shot.

    • @TylerLL2112
      @TylerLL2112 6 років тому

      GunFun ZS I found it to be equal to if not less than a Tavor. At 300 yards I got get a round a second off on a 10 or 12 inch target. The rifle settled fast. Now, the reason is the PWS muzzle device. The SCARs the military use use a flash hider so that's probably why.

    • @ironraccoon3536
      @ironraccoon3536 5 років тому +1

      Ever held a MG3? Super accurate, even from the shoulder. You can just fire it perfectly on target for the entire belt.

  • @jamespaulsen3014
    @jamespaulsen3014 7 років тому +11

    Pretty much the same rifle was adopted by the NZ Army for the same use. LMT has also be chosen to supply AR-15 variants to replace the Steyr AUG as the main infantry rifle.
    Given that even the French are replacing their FAMAS with (pretty much) an AR-15 variant, were Bullpups just a 70's/80's aberration that have been proved a failed concept, or have they been rather hard done by?

    • @mr_beezlebub3985
      @mr_beezlebub3985 6 років тому +4

      Bullpups are good weapons. The FAMAS is just a terrible one and the AUG is just old, not bad

    • @ironraccoon3536
      @ironraccoon3536 5 років тому +3

      Bullpups have upsides and downsides. They've been tried in certain roles and many have not found what they wanted in them (FAMAS, L85 probably eventually) and many have (Dragunov SVU, P90, DSR-1).

    • @chrisarmstrong8082
      @chrisarmstrong8082 2 роки тому

      @@mr_beezlebub3985 the Aug is good but the 1.5x (I think) optic I had on mine was absolutely useless!

  • @xxx_ray
    @xxx_ray 4 роки тому +1

    The LMT pistol grip is honestly my favorite AR grip of all time.

  • @GIboy1990
    @GIboy1990 4 роки тому

    LMT has made the L129a1 available to the public. They are a beast of a rifle.

  • @ymc227
    @ymc227 7 років тому +69

    Great video as always Ian, I really like the L129A1 rifle. Reminds of an M4/M16 platform, I mean that's basically what it is.

    • @markfarrelly1623
      @markfarrelly1623 7 років тому +20

      it isn't a m4/m16 platform

    • @markfarrelly1623
      @markfarrelly1623 7 років тому +24

      im calm, just pointing out the obvious

    • @commando552
      @commando552 7 років тому +1

      This isn't direct impingement, but then again neither is the AR-15. Direct impingement is where a gas tube simply blows gas against the face of the bolt carrier, whereas in the AR system the gas in directed inside the bolt which itself acts as a piston. The problem is, I do not believe that there is a proper name for this system, so most people just incorrectly call it direct gas impingement even though it isn't.

    • @markfarrelly1623
      @markfarrelly1623 7 років тому +4

      wait... you're not a weapon expert, but you know it all? interesting

    • @donaldweber7636
      @donaldweber7636 7 років тому +1

      Internal gas piston, as opposed to external gas piston, such as the HK416.

  • @ozdavemcgee2079
    @ozdavemcgee2079 5 років тому +7

    Having been in the Australian Army in the 80's, as we lost our SLR and were issued a Austeyr, a minority of us were wtf there is a need for 7.62. And gulf war mark1, I heard the armies of the world realise 7.62 is far from dead, and see the Australian Army adopt a H&K same idea sniping and LMG.
    Pretty stupid. Defence get a new "concept" thats it black and white no grey. A LMG role in 7.62 is suddenly needed. Alas, sadly, we had tooling for SLR and could have just maintained 1 per squad no dramas no added cost

    • @G1NZOU
      @G1NZOU 4 роки тому +1

      Definitely does seem the concept that while 5.56's lighter round means more ammo for achieving fire superiority, a lot of armies are revisiting the concept of longer effective range and more accurate shots to achieve the same suppression effect. Like us Brits used to have with the Lee Enfield rifle section's rate of fire.
      Russia seemed to pick up on the concept of the squad marksman much much earlier with their SVD and only now in the past couple of decades have we in the West caught on and taken it seriously.

    • @davidcox3076
      @davidcox3076 2 роки тому +1

      I understand the concept of the assault rifle. The future is all going to be urban warfare so 5.56 out to a few hundred meters is fine. But when you take it into the desert those distances tend to stretch out a bit. Your idea of retaining a few FALs would have been a great solution until more modern 7.62s like the L129A1 or HK417 came along. Seems the more tools in the army's toolkit the better.

  • @user-zi4mn6tf1e
    @user-zi4mn6tf1e 4 місяці тому

    Always a pleasure watching your uploads. Very interesting and you present it very well. Always learning about different and new things from you. Very pleased and happy with your material.
    From the UK... Good work..

  • @enyaw1948
    @enyaw1948 4 роки тому

    LMT YES! Thank you

  • @velo1795
    @velo1795 7 років тому +3

    forgotten weapon there a request from a french fan : could you make a video on the french frf2 sniper rifle ? none of the several youtube sniper rifles videos refers to it

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  7 років тому +7

      I would love to; just have to find one. They are very hard to get outside of the French military.

    • @velo1795
      @velo1795 7 років тому

      ok and do you think you will able to get your hands on it someday ?

    • @velo1795
      @velo1795 7 років тому +1

      please try

    • @GunFunZS
      @GunFunZS 7 років тому

      He just did an interview with their creator last week on the topic.

  • @shawnc1936
    @shawnc1936 7 років тому +10

    How was your group?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  7 років тому +25

      Not so great, but not because of any problem with the rifle.

    • @johnstacy7902
      @johnstacy7902 7 років тому

      Forgotten Weapons needs to have his elbow on the table

    • @donaldweber7636
      @donaldweber7636 7 років тому +1

      Or being a lefty, shoot lefty.

    • @thorsenst
      @thorsenst 7 років тому +3

      Why did you shoot it right handed?

    • @TheKiingkiller
      @TheKiingkiller 7 років тому +2

      ian takes slow motion film of the action when it fires but if you shoot it left handed you cover up the frame with your arm which spoils the look.

  • @stevebaker6711
    @stevebaker6711 Рік тому

    Great stuff. Great show.

  • @ben501st
    @ben501st 7 років тому +2

    That old AR10 in the upper right has me drooling.

    • @rodneyzirpolo
      @rodneyzirpolo 3 роки тому

      Yeah, I'm not too familiar with guns so when I saw the thumbnail, I thought "Oh it's an ar15 with an Acog"

  • @seanjoseph8637
    @seanjoseph8637 7 років тому +9

    Did you get your badge Ian?

  • @MultiEldan
    @MultiEldan 4 роки тому +6

    Great to see England having great taste by having many parts made in the good old USA by the way Britain still thinks of us as family.

  • @mandaloin
    @mandaloin 7 років тому +1

    Hey Ian, quick tip for precision shooting. When the gun is supported, like on a bipod, your firing hand is only there to pull the trigger. So don't wrap your strong hand thumb around the grip. Keep it inline with the rest of your strong hand, so for you your thumb will rest on the left side of the grip. This reduces the chance your firing hand will pull your shot off target.

  • @exmilitarygaming13
    @exmilitarygaming13 3 роки тому

    Brilliant rifle, very accurate and just really nice to handle, no complaints from me or anyone else I know who used it

  • @unidentifiedbiomass4106
    @unidentifiedbiomass4106 7 років тому +211

    He was later jailed for wielding a spoon in public.

    • @philipbailey9670
      @philipbailey9670 5 років тому +20

      You got a license for that spoon?

    • @anon_ymous91
      @anon_ymous91 5 років тому +37

      What a ridiculous comment...... He only received a fine and cannot go back to that town anymore.

    • @hugebartlett1884
      @hugebartlett1884 5 років тому +3

      Sounds as if you live in England! Carrying anything in public will eventually become a crime if the present trend continues.I' m just glad I can live under the radar and get through the day with no trouble or hassle. Wouldn't fancy being a car driver now though,God knows they get a load of persecution from all quarters.

    • @dirkbruere
      @dirkbruere 4 роки тому +1

      @@hugebartlett1884 If you ever admit to UK police that you are carrying X "for self defence", you can be arrested for "carrying an offensive weapon". Even if X is a hankerchief or pocket full of coins. OTOH, a Liong Mah #5 knife is totally legal to carry in the UK as long as you answer the trick question correctly
      www.gunmart.net/bushcraft/knives/hunting-knives/crkt-liong-mah

    • @hugebartlett1884
      @hugebartlett1884 4 роки тому

      @@dirkbruere How do I explain away the Mare's Leg strapped to my thigh? Always wanted one after seeing Woodie Strode packing one in the Bronson film,"Once Upon A Time In The West",but he didn't last very long.Couldn't beat a hand gun and harmonica.

  • @archiepreston6503
    @archiepreston6503 4 роки тому +9

    When the SLR gets "replaced" but they essentially bring it back into service anyway

  • @alexthorpe2522
    @alexthorpe2522 7 років тому

    You're great, Ian

  • @Chlorate299
    @Chlorate299 7 років тому

    Wow, that's like 20 miles from where I live.
    Nice looking rifle too.

  • @sadcide1165
    @sadcide1165 7 років тому +116

    "we need a hk417 but lets make our own"

    • @johnjuiceshipper4963
      @johnjuiceshipper4963 7 років тому +61

      sadcide You're so wrong. The HK417 was the original "We need an AR-10 but lets build are own."
      Which is still wrong, because it's a piston gun vs a DI gun.

    • @sadcide1165
      @sadcide1165 7 років тому +8

      HK usually makes everything better, so i assumed they would like to copy the better gun.

    • @Turgz
      @Turgz 7 років тому +47

      sadcide Yet the H&K was the inferior rifle for what they needed..

    • @barnabywylde2224
      @barnabywylde2224 7 років тому +26

      HK has paid a lot of money for people to believe that

    • @EASY7356
      @EASY7356 7 років тому +6

      The HK417 is less accurate that's why even the Bundewehr chose the civilian Version MR308 (semi auto instead of select fire) as basis for their new G28 DMR
      As for the G36 that's a combination of Problems, the biggest beeing the polymer Parts (if they get to warm) and the second beeing quality differences in the ammunition
      Both things that (in my amateur opinion) could probably be fixed by making the Gun a bit "bulkier" by using more Metal Parts and better Quality Controll for the Ammo
      Some special Units already use the HK416 i don't the a problem in just replacing the G36 with that
      It is already two Years since the they decided to replace the G36 because of it's "Problems", so i find it kinda strange that they still have no idea with what to replace it with the MR308 (G28) and HK416 (Both beeing HK Guns) in use
      Seems more like a political decision not a real problem with the Gun (or at least the Gun System by just using different Materials) itself
      I CAN'T imagine that the Germany Army never shot 90 Rounds or more through that Gun (that's when it supposedly gets inaccurate) to test it's accuracy when the Gun is hot, i'm not a fucking Weapons Expert and testing a hot Gun's accuracy seem really obvious for me

  • @bashfull30
    @bashfull30 7 років тому +12

    Hi Ian, could you do me a favour? Reach over your right shoulder and flip the safety catches up on those SLRs , thanks. Curse my ex-UK Forces induced gun OCD ;-) ta mate.

  • @freespace771
    @freespace771 7 років тому

    Really enjoyed this. Could you make more videos on newer weapons like this one?

  • @ryanschlotfeldt1070
    @ryanschlotfeldt1070 7 років тому

    Yaaaas. Modern weapon reviews like this are gud