This was the race that showed me how frighteningly good Frankel actually was on a racetrack. Canford Cliffs came into this race having won 5 straight G1 races, having shown quite a brilliant turn of foot in his own right in all of them. But his turn of foot on this day was made to look pedestrian by Frankel, like it was scarcely even enough to be a good tow into the race for him.
He broke Canford's heart there. It can't be easy to see the horse's arse going away like that but there really was nothing the others could do about it. Different league.
Best Miler Ever. Would have spanked the brilliant Black Caviar at any trip whatsoever, too. Canford was an incredible horse himself.. and Frankels form is getting boosted to this day, thanks to beasts like Cirrus.. who happened to beat the machine that is Treve.. Frankel deserves his rating as one of the best horses who ever lived.
Haha four horse field yet again,just racking up those cheap ratings hey?Blacks would have been 20 lengths in front by tge half way mark from having a faster cruising speed and just broke him,shit four horse fields how pathetic and you think he's the best?good luck with that one
@@russe19642 Not only I think he's the best, but 95% of the world does! 😃 So it's good when millions of people are in agreement with me that Frankel would have blitzed any horse that ever came from Australia 😊
@@leesog3203 no only 95% of you soap dodging poms believe he was the bestso you think was over thete when farkall was around,why didnt they take him on then you could have some credibility,but id doubt theyd do that from trying to keep his weak record intact and to many horses in syt races scares farkall
Black Caviar’s trainer said Frankel was the best in the world after Queen Anne so where’s you Aussie argument. Number of horses in a race doesn’t = quality.
@@toonarmysteve5068 really the amount of competition does count?yeh right,put him in a 18 horse field and see how he goes and do it without a pacemaker and youd find he'd be fucked
Well said mate, spot on. I'm just chuffed that he was able to have those incredible highs with Frankel so near the end. It's almost like he had to pay a huge forfeit to have the thrill of training this amazing horse. RIP Sir Henry.
What made this win so incredible was the class of Canford Cliffs. As I recall, he had just beaten the great Goldikova and to my mind, he was the best miler in the world. He was giving Frankel a bit of weight but off levels the result would have been unchanged. Absolutely incredible.
Class of Canford Cliff. A good horse but got beat by Dick Turpin "that takes the shine off him a bit" and Goldikova who got beat by a length holding her walking stick.In my opinion Canford Cliffs best race was beating Rip Van Winkle.R.V.W got within a length or so of Sea The Stars in the Eclipse in 2009. I never thought C.C was the best miler at the time. The great mare was (she had a lb overweight as well in that race against C.C) These comments don't take anything away from Frankel.
lester price So you want to judge CC by how far he got beat early in his 3yo career and cleverly forget the last time he and DT ran CC won by 6L. Also by your logic RVW must be a dog as he got beat by Intense Focus (who never won a race afterwards) We can all find races where a horse hasn't run up to what they subsequently do, but you need to use a bit of COMMON SENSE when judging a horse's overall career..
The point of my comment is: All these horse's are as good as each other without one standing out except the likes of Frankel and Sea The Stars.The likes of CC will be a statistic in years to come.
@@b512121girl That would be Canford Cliffs who pulled hard in the 2,000 guineas and was still only ½L down on Dick Turpin and then won 5 Gr1s in a row, those being the Irish 2,000, SJP at Royal Ascot, the Sussex Stakes, the Lockinge and then the Queen Anne at Royal Ascot before being brushed aside by Frankel here. Richard Hannon Sr said CC was the best horse he had trained in 40 years too.
There will never be another Frankel and there will never be another Sir Henry. Last of the great gentleman trainers and the greatest of the last century. Racing is a poorer place without him
yes treve class in the arc is really out of the stratosphere, I was impressed with her performance in the Vermeille, but I knew for a fact that if she remained at that level she wouldn't make a difference, I simply didn't imagine how much improvement she has in store. Still 2-3 stages below Frankel but how she effortlessly cruised to the front makes me hope there's another level she can achieve and hopefully we'll be blessed with other amazing performances next year
Yep mate, me too. That was the time I started watching racing and the likes of Chief Singer, El Gran Señor, Dancing Brave, Oh So Sharp and Pebbles bring back great memories. Chief Singer was a brute, wasn't he? Black as the Ace of Spades and all muscle. In those days they all seemed more modest, except old Clive Brittain who always got carried away with his enthusiasm. I always remember how excited he was when Pebbles won the Breeders Cup turf. As you say, happy days.
I can beat that story Death. My wife works in Cambridge, 13 miles from where Frankel has been based. One of her work colleagues owns a horse (recreational, not a racehorse) but claims to love horses and be very well informed on all matters horse related. When my wife asked her 'did you see Frankel on Saturday?' The woman replied 'who is Frankel?' and had never heard of him. We're talking about one of the greatest horses of all time. Now that would be inconceivable that could happen in Australia.
Size doesn't always determine what a horse can carry - some can handle top weight and some can't, that's it. Mill Reef and Northern Dancer were small horses who carried some decent weights. Secretariat's daughter, Lady's Secret (The Iron Lady), was 153 cm and a mere 408 kg, but she carried up to 58 kg as a four-year-old, and was the first mare to win the G1 Whitney in almost 40 years. Dr. Fager absolutely ate up big weights, but others of his generous size didn't handle them as well.
What did you make of the game last night mate. Gibson was bloody lucky to stay on but I thought was unlucky to get the first yellow as it wasn't kim who made the first foul! Enjoyable game though but not the result either team wanted. What did you make of Ross Barkley btw? Be interested to hear other fans perspective. Evertonians are very much split down the middle on him.
in my local a nervous wreck ,every drink I had wasn't doing anything to me,the race started and Cauthen from the start took the bull by the horns and led all the way,cue the biggest celebrations of my life,I went out the following weekend with my dad and bought a new car and then used the rest to pay my 2 weeks in Magaluf,sure you all have your memories/stories of Sir Henry and I'm sat here while I waffle on with a glass of beer and say cheers and thanks for everything Mister Cecil
My last opinion: is Frankel the best horse of all times? Yes, with no doubt, a miracle of power. It is right that 3 years horses receive weight by older horses? No, this is an absurd dogma of the past. Because aliimentation, training and genetic has developed and changed thousands years from the past world
You're right Tony but that is what is so encouraging about what Brendan's building there. We didn't play like we can & our star striker is still out of the side but we're top of the league & haven't conceded a goal. I reckon we're only 50% along where Brendan wants us to be & when we crack the top 4 it'll be even easier for him to make improvements & bring better players in. He has got them really tight as a unit and the camaraderie in the camp is top class. No way they were going to lose today.
Sprinter Sacre was awesome today. I see some people are saying it wasn't that impressive because Cue Card got relatively close. I take the view Cue Card ran a fantastic race and today's trip played right into his hands and still Sprinter tracked him and won with his head in his chest. Take out Cue Card and Sprinter routed Flemenstar and the rest by 23L and counting. Amazing to see this horse following on from what we had with Frankel on the flat.
We can put our trust in Brendan, John. He's the man to bring back the good times. We're putting a really good run together now and that's despite the antics of our star striker. We are definitely on the way up - you can feel it.
So true.. there are classy , top class, great and exceptional horses. Frankel was beyond exceptional because his wins were so amazing everytime and never you felt that he's going to loose. One of the important factors for making a horse great is the form of adversaries and the accumulation of victories against top class horses. Todays win of Al Kazeem puts him in the top class category IMO but I think no one would dare to compare him with Frankel which was with 2 levels above top class category
Sorry Sammy, can't agree with you there. That was a spectacular performance from Treve. Probably one of the most impressive big race winners I can remember in watching racing for 30 years. Oozed class.
I always knew Animal Kingdom was a champion, ever since he won the Kentucky Derby so impressively from the outside. Now he beat them in the DWC. His ears were pricked all through the stretch! Graham Motion has always referred to this horse as the best he's ever trained, and that belief has paid off big time. I said on here that AK was "overdue for a big win" - I hope someone took my advice! Good to have the DWC back in American hands.
Just managed to get 4.2/1 for 25 nicker then took it up to a tonne at 4/1,thanks for that bit of info on going straight to Cheltenham,hadn't heard that,but not going to put me off too much,think he's a back to lay bet at those prices at the very least but like you say still worth having a go on the facespitter,enjoy your day mate and hope you batter the manc's tomorrow.
Andy Murray produces IMO the greatest ever performance from a British Sportsman. A guy from a very small town in Scotland wins Wimbledon you couldn't make it up
Your right watching, apart from the Van Persie chance in the last minute they never looked liked scoring, , defensively looking solid and spoke to one of my mates who lives over in Paris and said this Sakho who we are supposedly signing is top class but think we are missing a bit of strength in midfield, Sturridge is a revelation but wondering what happens when he's not the main man when suarez comes back.
Heard him talked about in dispatches mate but only read him in person the past few months or so,intelligent guy but he's been owned so many times and tied himself in knots and wears his green and gold spectacles with pride,Bolger is renowned for it mate,doesn't give a toss about punters,fantastic trainer though,DA is short enough considering the Derby being still fresh in our memories plus with still around 15 entries in the race the draw could be important on the round course too,saying that
Sorry about the slow reply mate,broadband problems,just been on Betfair looking at the antepost markets and the one that caught my eye is Big Bucks at over 4/1? Alright he's injured but he's in the right hands with Nichols and even if her retains 80% of his ability he eats all contenders for breakfast,had to have a little dabble at the prices,whats your thoughts on that,or any other ante post markets?
Congrats on Society Rock i also had him ... RIDICULOUS value for a horse that good! Not that im complaining ... I had Glenns Diamond E/W at York too .... HUGE price for a horse that finished 2nd in the race last year! Course and distance is massive at york! Paid for my weekend that did at 25/1
Bosra Sham was a brilliant filly and again testament to the man on how patient he was and honest with the public too,before the 1000 guineas he told the public that she was going to run but because of her awful feet she had missed her main gallop and wasn't fully wound up for the race,she drifted from something like 1/3 to round about evens in the event she scrambled home by just over a length,gutted I missed her in the champion stakes and 100/30 was a steal,Cauthen was different class
@john actually whipping helps horses to steer and its the opposite of what you think. Buick did well to whip her to the left so she can go right, while with his right hand he was trying to keep her straight by pulling to the right. He is a good jockey and very humble compared to others.
Did she win mate? just got in but was telling one of the lads in work she would give williams a game today but then forgot all about it, what price was she?
Hey mate, can't wait for the UK flat season to start! I've actually had a good look at Sprinter Sacre but I don't know enough about what I'm looking at for it to blow me away like I know it should. Is it 2 miles that he's running over? is 19 lengths over jumps at that distance much the same as what it is on the flat or is it common place to see big margins like that? Is he really in that Frankel sort of class, I see he's been rated above the likes of Kauto Star, how old is the horse now?
the track but also other major worldwide stallions like Sadlers Wells, Nijinsky, Northern taste, etc As to regards of STS I wouldn't judge her vs the colts but historically vs the fillies/mares she is above zarkava, danedream in recent times so yes she displayed an amazing performance, one of which I'll remember for many many years. I hope she does it again and again at 4yo so we can have something to look forward to in horse racing because these are the moments that make it worthwhile
Agree with that John. Brendan seems to be a good judge of a player, the likes of Coutinho & Mignolet look like great buys. Hopefully the new lads are of that quality. Fergie retiring has changed the whole feel of the Premier League - they'll never be as good under Moyes & it's up for grabs. Chelsea are probably favourites but they're more consistent than spectacular so they're not in a different league from us. We need to make sure we beat the likes of WBA & Hull and we'll be right up there.
Yep and as the C4 boys pointed out she wasn't able to be switched off as they would have liked as she was on the receiving end of a few bumps from Doyle's horse. So to quicken clear so decisively and rout the field like that was mighty impressive. I would say she is as good a filly as I have seen.
Ascot is a brilliant festival of racing BUT the best you can get in this country, and perhaps even the world, is the Cheltenham festival mate. It's an unbelievable 4 days of racing and a. party atmosphere from start to finish! I know it's the jumps and it isn't as popular down there but when you've experienced it you understand why it's as popular as the flat here! Speaking things to see before you die, if Sky Racing do the Aintree festival down there, take a look at the Melling Chase (continued
thats what i was thinking, where is the pace coming from? Leading Light is gonna want to push it but i can see it turning into a late dash for the line
Getting away from Beavis and Buttlover on the BC site, what are your views on Doyle getting the Abdullah job? Decent young rider but hardly a Moore or Buick who ride the Gosden and Stoute Juddmonte horses.
continued) it'll probably be on at about 02:00 am Aussie time as its 3:05 over here. 3 of the 4 top rated chasers go head to head, one of which is rapidly gaining a reputation of being the frankel of the jumps. Stepping up from 2 miles to 2 and a half for the first time today, 8 wins out of 8 over fences and he's won his last 3 by a total of 50 lengths taking a strong hold.
John, Amandas friend here,wondering what was the top hurdler, Frankies 7 ?and loved the piece on Gladiateur im in Dunmow tomorrow, going to look up his grave, speak later
The interesting thing for me about Federer is his devotion to his sport as compared to other geniuses. I have a theory that there are 2 types of sportsmen - 99.9% are good at what they do but have to work hard and follow all the rules. The others are geniuses eg O'Sullivan, McEnroe, George Best. They have instinctive brilliance, get easily bored and often go off the rails. It comes easy to them and they get easily bored. Federer is the exception, a total genius who has always respected the game.
He's capable of achieving that sort of mark but I'm worried that he'll need a strongly run race? I might back Cityscape each way even if he starts anywhere near 5's.. I can't see any replays of DOW so I don't know what I'm missing but does he really look as good as the market suggests? Has he been winning half asleep or something?
Cont: In the US there are over 30 G1 races classified as "handicap races", where successful older horses have to carry larger weights. How many are there in the UK? On the flats, I only know of minor races for less valuable horses, so the big G1 winners hardly get to prove themselves under anything but WFA. I would like to know how many there are in Oz (besides MC) which would require Its A Dundeel to carry more than he's already carrying.
this is the best time of year to get stuck in mate, make hay while the sun shines between now and the end of august, good fast ground everywhere/the 2 year olds have sorted themselves out and we know the best 3 year old form, my old uncle used to clean up every summer on 2 year olds and level weight races, he wouldnt bet on handicaps or any ground worse than g/s
9/1 is good value mate. At the end of the day he has good form on Ascot and would have run a belter last season but for missing the start. The only blemish on that Ascot record is the Sprint on Champions day last October. But, he's in form at the minute, his Jockey is on fire too, he likes the course and he's a multiple G1 winner. 9/1 is great value IMO. With Deacon Blues, it would be entirely dependent on the odds. After a big lay off he'll probably need the run, if he comes back the same horse
Never saw him live, mate. Always admired him from afar. Before he came along the little Aussie grunter, Lleyton Hewitt, was top dog with his aggressive fist-pumping style. Then Federer took him apart so surgically and comprehensively time after time that Hewitt's game fell apart and he plummeted down the rankings. A new King and style of play had arrived. All the others who have followed, including the great Rafa and Novak, knew they had to aim at this new standard that King Federer had set.
What do you think Noel Fehily stats recently ? He beat one of my selections today in the 3:50 my mate vinnie and then heard the commentator of his stats and now looking over them he has 11x wins in the last 20 race and 4x 2nd places, and not only on favorites but on outsiders as well.. quite remarkable
I went out for dinner with some friends the other night - an Aussie couple who have been living in London for the past 5 years - and I asked them if they'd heard of a horse called Frankel. To my amazement, they said, "no". Granted they're not racing fans (at all) but there'd be very few Aussies or long-term visitors in Oz that wouldn't have heard of BC. My point being that it highlights the 'reach' of racing generally in this country as opposed to the UK. Arsenal used a good term - mainstream.
I've read that Timeform Australia office wanted to give Frankel 148 so clearly only the non-racing fans of BC are so biased against him because those knowledgeable knew what Frankel was all about. Well like said even bad press is good press but no one has nothing to gain from here, its just facts that Frankel achieved and we're only looking at them, others from a professional perspective and for myself no more than a magical experience which I was lucky enough to live when it happened!
Just read the BC site after john's comments and got to say Franks comments are different class and well said mate about easy goer, I remember him in the preakness against sunday silenc le in the preakness with his jock going for the inside run and getting squeezed by sundays jock then storming home in the Belmont by 8 lengths plus a proper classy stayer and got to agree he was in my mind the better horse who should have won at least 2 of the 3 legs of the triple crown, good memories.
Well done mate,that's where the human touch in the bookies can work in your favour compared to betting online,obviously your natural charms working the magic with that young lady in Ladbrokes you smooth operator you! Agree with you,she was fantastic today and there wasn't a moments worry at all,pity Solwhit wasn't right she would have laughed at him too IMO,just reading a few entries and your on fire this week aren't you,great racing and well done on Bayern the other night,had a lump on my self,
Serena was 1/16 and Lisicki 7/1 mate. I thought Lisicki would play well but didn't think she would pull off a win. Huge shock. Williams didn't seem to be moving well and I think she may well have tweaked a testicle near the end. Thank goodness we're just left with the ladies now. I've just seen Lisicki quoted at 11/4 for the title which I cannot believe. If I was rich I would be ploughing into that. I can't see her losing now mate - huge serve, loves the grass & her confidence must be sky high.
I was sceptical about the quality of the race but you cannot fail to be impressed by her performance, it was actually very Frankelesque and how i would have imagined him winning an Arc powering through the field and away, cant wait to see her next year
So mate, what do we reckon of It's a Dundeel? He lines up again this weekend in the Queen Elizabeth against Manighar, Reliable Man, and even Jet Away I think, not 100 percent on that. I was pretty impressed with Reliable Man first up. 1500m far short of his best, and on heavy ground which probably suited him more than it did Pierro he was within 2 lengths. Not bad at all. Manighar looks to be back on track, so hopefully they run up into the 125 sort of region and we can see what It's A dundeel
last of the gentleman trainers who put sport and good manners above profit, gracious in defeat and respectful in victory, not like todays lot who want to win at all costs and brag about how great they are, its the end of an era
john I don't think you got the example I gave.. SL simply didn't had luck in running due to another horse positioning but that other horse EK had no contact with SL hence the stewards couldn't alter the placings. Trust me if there had been even a slight contact between horses the decision could've been different. You can see Buick did everything possible with his right hand and the whip but he still couldn't keep her straight so the stewards applied the rules and gave him a ban.
Just back from Santa Ponsa where I couldn't get a reception, absolutely gutted on the news of Sir Henry , have not seen much press is the plan for Lady Cecil to keep the stable going long term?
I'm not sure how many people know, but Canford actually suffered a near-fore pastern injury in this very race, which explains why he drifted left-handed pretty badly. I doubt anyone thinks that Canford could ever have beaten Frankel, but this performance was definitely far from the best he had to offer. I think rather than being smashed 5 lengths, a prime Canford would have bridged the gap to about 2 lengths. He was Richard Hannons best ever horse. And I think at this time during 2011, he was more like 4lb inferior to Frankel, rather than the 10lb pounding he took here.
CC did drift left before when beaten,thing is,Frankel "drew" the sting and finishing speed from CC,although CC was a great great horse,i think Frankel was about 7lb better.
I agree with your comments Lee SOG but it just throws more variables into the mix about how good Frankel really was. If your comments are correct then Frankel would be about 136 rated horse.
Yep plenty of quality around and I'm big on Voltigeur stakes also, can't wait to see Telescope running. I've done a win only treble on Telescope, Al Kaz and Riposte :-) should be fun :D The trickiest is Telescope as its unproven for the distance but its by galileo so should be fine, second tricky is Al kaz which has new competition in Toronado and who knows what comes out of it, and RIposte should take all the beating imo
arsenal to give a high profile example as this happens almost any day, would you give camelot the 2012 st leger because his path was blocked by Encke and when finally managed to get out he couldn't catch Encke ? Its exactly the same situation, a horse being forced by another one to go away of the ideal path and someone saying that the stewards should count the number of lengths that Encke cost Camelot for letting him in that pocket for so long. So would you reverse the placing and award Camelot?
then the highlight of Riposte now I am like stone normally but the bravery and class of Lady Cecil shone through,not a royalist but great to see the joy of the Queen at the finish and good to see Joanna Morgan win a top prize and lovely to see Remote getting smashed into by punters and getting up to win the Tercentenary,top class day,can't wait for tomorrow having a good bet on Just The Judge,only thing holding me back from a massive lump on is the car park draw on the round course and
John, just ask them who won the Ashes, the womens' Ashes, the Lions v Australia Test series, the US Open golf, the mens' Wimbledon singles and the last 2 Tours De France? No wonder they're a bit touchy!
John, I reckon Suarez at 11/4 to be top Prem scorer is a cracking bet. Several reasons - despite his banned start to the season he has almost caught everybody up already - he was head to head with RVP all last season until he got banned near the end - RVP had an injury free season last year which is unusual in his injury prone career - Sturridge seems more than happy to lay the ball across the 6yd box to Suarez for tap ins when other strikers would shoot. I think he's a great price at 11/4 mate.
As a racing fan, there are two things I've instructed my wife not to let me die until I've done. Both occur in France, as it turns out. 1) Go and watch an Arc. 2) Watch the morning gallops at Chantilly. What else needs to go on the Bucket List? Of course there are other family-related things, but they're all well down the list! ;)
i've backed 4 in the national Forpaddy for sentimental reasons, Big Fella Thanks cos i backed him the last 3 years and if i dont back him he'll piss it, Quel Esprit because he looks like he'd be suited to the race and Join Together because of his good 2nd in the beecher chase, i'm having a few quid on Hendersons in the 1st, Alderwood in the 2nd and a big punt on Solwhit in the stayers hurdle, i think he won easily at cheltenham and is still lightly raced
by much ... looking forward to hearing what Arsenal thinks re my analysis and the two horses that finished 2nd and 3rd off such a slow tempo ... also SP's learnt a or from those two over the last 12 months or so
Eagle, does Hamilton have more or less points than Rosberg? Does Button have more or less points than Perez? In qualifying Hamilton and Rosberg are 3-3. I would hardly call this 'getting owned', you only need to look at Webber over the last four years to see what that is. Also please provide me with the date that Aus beat England in the world cup.
In work all day and didn't have a bet but just watched the racing now and got to say it was fantastic,if you were at the track today you would have lumped on No Nay Never,talk about men against boys,last time I have seen a 2 year old like that was Paul Cole's Coventry winner Dilum in 1991,fav for both 2000 guineas and Derby straight after the race by August at York the boys had caught up and I feel the same about the Norfolk winner but great to see Wesley Ward rewarded with his forward thinking
Novelist for the King George. The three year olds aren't up to it this year and there's ground and form worries for Cirrus Des Aigles. Ekitihaam has not only been abandoned by Hanagan but won't get his own way up front and you have to wonder what effect his tumble in the Hardwicke has left. Others don't seem good enough. So it's the German horse for me. Very good form and proven at the distance and at the top level.
Hit the nail on the head there too - it's at the mile that the imbalance between Hcp & WFA is at it's most absurd. There are 15 G1 races at that distance. The 5 handicaps (Toorak Hcp, Emirates Stks, Doncaster Hcp, Epsom Hcp, Railway Stks) are among our "big" G1s (less so the Railway). Of the 10 remaining 1600m G1s, 8 of them are age or sex restricted and the only 2 Open WFAs are the George Main and Chipping Norton (hardly 'premier' races). For BC to step up to a mile at WFA, what was suitable??
Moonlight Cloud (most likely campaigned at a mile instead), Lucky Nine (no idea) and Sham Express (KS). That leaves Society Rock, Deacon Blues, Mental, Lucky Nine, Krypton Factor, Gordon Lord Byron and Tickled Pink. Society Rock loves Ascot, is going well obviously, is safe on varying ground conditions, what do we think ? 9/1 seems enormous, I'm just worried about Deacon Blues....?
Another perspective on the brilliance of Frankel, Farhh now alongside Excelebration as a certain champion in other years, both destroyed by him on the bridle, amazing...
I personally think Toronado is the real deal. His Timeform form figure is now apparently 124, 3 lbs higher than Camelot this time last year (121). However, Dawn Approach is rated 126. However, his speed figure is higher than Dawn Approach and he looked to have a load in hand when he achieved his figure. His last 3 furlongs in the Craven were run in a touch above 33 seconds. Which was over a second faster than any of the other winners during the day, even the 5 furlong winners.
for me its a busy day with decent bets on Doctor Parkes, Brae Hill at chester and I'M Fraam Govan in the last at sandown. Kingman will be watching with great interest, Chigun a non-runner now, intergral adventure into top level may have left some scars and Zibelina may well take this with a bit of fight
Just been through the form again mate and she still stands out to me,she's broke well both times this season got plenty of early tactical pace and even first time out in the 1000 guineas would have won if Spencer had produced her later,my main concern is the pace angle,I remember last year St James Palace Stakes when Most Improved of Meehan's won with a large number of unlucky horses with a packed field with plenty of no hoper's getting in the way of the class runners and just hope it
I was a young apprentice electrician in the early 80's aqnd loved the jumps but can honestly say I didn't have a clue on the flat but the spark I worked with and give me a lift home always stopped in the bookies when Sir Henry had a runner in the last race of the day,normally a maiden and normally in the apricot colours of Lord Howard De Walden ridden either by Stevie Cauthen or a young Willie Ryan claiming 5ibs at the time,well you couldn't fail, I soon realized you could double your money
I would also take a good look at any horse who ran at Ascot today who turns up in next weeks Stewards Cup. A lot of horses who ran like they'll be spot on for the Goodwood in 7 days time none other than old Hawkeyethenoo who looked magnificent in the parade ring. Novellist was my only winner at the course on a day where winners proved very hard to find. How did that 25/1 shot win the first is beyond me.
Arsenal mate, I can't remember the name of the horse but back in 2001 this happened to me: I had a highly speculative tenner double on a horse running that day at 8/1 plus Goran Ivanisevic to win Wimbledon (after he'd won his 2nd Rd match) at 33/1. My horse passed the post 1st but drifted half the width of the track taking the 2nd horse with him, winning by a neck. My horse was disqualified and Ivanisevic went on to win Wimbledon. That cost me over 3 grand & the result was overturned on appeal.
Thanks mate you've given me some serious food for thought there just what I needed. I've had a 100 on him to place at $3.30 for the moment which I think is pretty good value considering he's a near certainty to take his place. I'll wait for the news on Reckless Abandon and if they point him to the KS I might have another 100 to win. Animal Kingdom vs Farhh should be a ripper what do you reckon?
It's all about the Guineas now! Don't think I've looked forward to a Guineas this much haha. Really looking forward to seeing what this classic generation and the foreign horses coming over can do over the course of the season as these look as promising as I can remember in terms of depth in class. As for the jumps and SS, big margins are more common but only because all the best horses over jumps only really seem to come together at Cheltenham, at Cheltenham it's far less common as (cont)
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This was the race that showed me how frighteningly good Frankel actually was on a racetrack. Canford Cliffs came into this race having won 5 straight G1 races, having shown quite a brilliant turn of foot in his own right in all of them. But his turn of foot on this day was made to look pedestrian by Frankel, like it was scarcely even enough to be a good tow into the race for him.
Maybe seeng it on the day but canford cliffs came back lame and never run again
He broke Canford's heart there. It can't be easy to see the horse's arse going away like that but there really was nothing the others could do about it. Different league.
Best Miler Ever. Would have spanked the brilliant Black Caviar at any trip whatsoever, too. Canford was an incredible horse himself.. and Frankels form is getting boosted to this day, thanks to beasts like Cirrus.. who happened to beat the machine that is Treve.. Frankel deserves his rating as one of the best horses who ever lived.
Haha four horse field yet again,just racking up those cheap ratings hey?Blacks would have been 20 lengths in front by tge half way mark from having a faster cruising speed and just broke him,shit four horse fields how pathetic and you think he's the best?good luck with that one
@@russe19642 Not only I think he's the best, but 95% of the world does! 😃 So it's good when millions of people are in agreement with me that Frankel would have blitzed any horse that ever came from Australia 😊
@@leesog3203 no only 95% of you soap dodging poms believe he was the bestso you think was over thete when farkall was around,why didnt they take him on then you could have some credibility,but id doubt theyd do that from trying to keep his weak record intact and to many horses in syt races scares farkall
Black Caviar’s trainer said Frankel was the best in the world after Queen Anne so where’s you Aussie argument. Number of horses in a race doesn’t = quality.
@@toonarmysteve5068 really the amount of competition does count?yeh right,put him in a 18 horse field and see how he goes and do it without a pacemaker and youd find he'd be fucked
Simply the best of generations. Never bettered. RIP Henry Cecil and thank you for the amazing memories with Frankel.
Well said mate, spot on. I'm just chuffed that he was able to have those incredible highs with Frankel so near the end. It's almost like he had to pay a huge forfeit to have the thrill of training this amazing horse. RIP Sir Henry.
What made this win so incredible was the class of Canford Cliffs. As I recall, he had just beaten the great Goldikova and to my mind, he was the best miler in the world. He was giving Frankel a bit of weight but off levels the result would have been unchanged. Absolutely incredible.
Class of Canford Cliff. A good horse but got beat by Dick Turpin "that takes the shine off him a bit" and Goldikova who got beat by a length holding her walking stick.In my opinion Canford Cliffs best race was beating Rip Van Winkle.R.V.W got within a length or so of Sea The Stars in the Eclipse in 2009. I never thought C.C was the best miler at the time. The great mare was (she had a lb overweight as well in that race against C.C)
These comments don't take anything away from Frankel.
lester price So you want to judge CC by how far he got beat early in his 3yo career and cleverly forget the last time he and DT ran CC won by 6L.
Also by your logic RVW must be a dog as he got beat by Intense Focus (who never won a race afterwards) We can all find races where a horse hasn't run up to what they subsequently do, but you need to use a bit of COMMON SENSE when judging a horse's overall career..
The point of my comment is: All these horse's are as good as each other without one standing out except the likes of Frankel and Sea The Stars.The likes of CC will be a statistic in years to come.
@@b512121girl That would be Canford Cliffs who pulled hard in the 2,000 guineas and was still only ½L down on Dick Turpin and then won 5 Gr1s in a row, those being the Irish 2,000, SJP at Royal Ascot, the Sussex Stakes, the Lockinge and then the Queen Anne at Royal Ascot before being brushed aside by Frankel here.
Richard Hannon Sr said CC was the best horse he had trained in 40 years too.
So he gave wieght?was it a handicap?and whats with just four?surely you wouldn't call that a world class field?surely you couldn't its laughable
There will never be another Frankel and there will never be another Sir Henry. Last of the great gentleman trainers and the greatest of the last century. Racing is a poorer place without him
So amazing, this is a horse of a lifetime, I love him
Good pick John ust seen the result now,what price was he? Did you take the PMU odds or our bookies prices?
One word- MAJESTIC
yes treve class in the arc is really out of the stratosphere, I was impressed with her performance in the Vermeille, but I knew for a fact that if she remained at that level she wouldn't make a difference, I simply didn't imagine how much improvement she has in store.
Still 2-3 stages below Frankel but how she effortlessly cruised to the front makes me hope there's another level she can achieve and hopefully we'll be blessed with other amazing performances next year
Yep mate, me too. That was the time I started watching racing and the likes of Chief Singer, El Gran Señor, Dancing Brave, Oh So Sharp and Pebbles bring back great memories. Chief Singer was a brute, wasn't he? Black as the Ace of Spades and all muscle. In those days they all seemed more modest, except old Clive Brittain who always got carried away with his enthusiasm. I always remember how excited he was when Pebbles won the Breeders Cup turf. As you say, happy days.
2023. A reminder how amazing this horse was
I can beat that story Death. My wife works in Cambridge, 13 miles from where Frankel has been based. One of her work colleagues owns a horse (recreational, not a racehorse) but claims to love horses and be very well informed on all matters horse related. When my wife asked her 'did you see Frankel on Saturday?' The woman replied 'who is Frankel?' and had never heard of him. We're talking about one of the greatest horses of all time. Now that would be inconceivable that could happen in Australia.
Size doesn't always determine what a horse can carry - some can handle top weight and some can't, that's it. Mill Reef and Northern Dancer were small horses who carried some decent weights. Secretariat's daughter, Lady's Secret (The Iron Lady), was 153 cm and a mere 408 kg, but she carried up to 58 kg as a four-year-old, and was the first mare to win the G1 Whitney in almost 40 years. Dr. Fager absolutely ate up big weights, but others of his generous size didn't handle them as well.
Still getting goosebumps in 2020
What did you make of the game last night mate. Gibson was bloody lucky to stay on but I thought was unlucky to get the first yellow as it wasn't kim who made the first foul! Enjoyable game though but not the result either team wanted. What did you make of Ross Barkley btw? Be interested to hear other fans perspective. Evertonians are very much split down the middle on him.
in my local a nervous wreck ,every drink I had wasn't doing anything to me,the race started and Cauthen from the start took the bull by the horns and led all the way,cue the biggest celebrations of my life,I went out the following weekend with my dad and bought a new car and then used the rest to pay my 2 weeks in Magaluf,sure you all have your memories/stories of Sir Henry and I'm sat here while I waffle on with a glass of beer and say cheers and thanks for everything Mister Cecil
My last opinion: is Frankel the best horse of all times? Yes, with no doubt, a miracle of power. It is right that 3 years horses receive weight by older horses? No, this is an absurd dogma of the past. Because aliimentation, training and genetic has developed and changed thousands years from the past world
You're right Tony but that is what is so encouraging about what Brendan's building there. We didn't play like we can & our star striker is still out of the side but we're top of the league & haven't conceded a goal. I reckon we're only 50% along where Brendan wants us to be & when we crack the top 4 it'll be even easier for him to make improvements & bring better players in. He has got them really tight as a unit and the camaraderie in the camp is top class. No way they were going to lose today.
Sprinter Sacre was awesome today. I see some people are saying it wasn't that impressive because Cue Card got relatively close. I take the view Cue Card ran a fantastic race and today's trip played right into his hands and still Sprinter tracked him and won with his head in his chest. Take out Cue Card and Sprinter routed Flemenstar and the rest by 23L and counting. Amazing to see this horse following on from what we had with Frankel on the flat.
We can put our trust in Brendan, John. He's the man to bring back the good times. We're putting a really good run together now and that's despite the antics of our star striker. We are definitely on the way up - you can feel it.
So true.. there are classy , top class, great and exceptional horses. Frankel was beyond exceptional because his wins were so amazing everytime and never you felt that he's going to loose. One of the important factors for making a horse great is the form of adversaries and the accumulation of victories against top class horses. Todays win of Al Kazeem puts him in the top class category IMO but I think no one would dare to compare him with Frankel which was with 2 levels above top class category
Sorry Sammy, can't agree with you there. That was a spectacular performance from Treve. Probably one of the most impressive big race winners I can remember in watching racing for 30 years. Oozed class.
I always knew Animal Kingdom was a champion, ever since he won the Kentucky Derby so impressively from the outside. Now he beat them in the DWC. His ears were pricked all through the stretch! Graham Motion has always referred to this horse as the best he's ever trained, and that belief has paid off big time. I said on here that AK was "overdue for a big win" - I hope someone took my advice! Good to have the DWC back in American hands.
Just managed to get 4.2/1 for 25 nicker then took it up to a tonne at 4/1,thanks for that bit of info on going straight to Cheltenham,hadn't heard that,but not going to put me off too much,think he's a back to lay bet at those prices at the very least but like you say still worth having a go on the facespitter,enjoy your day mate and hope you batter the manc's tomorrow.
Andy Murray produces IMO the greatest ever performance from a British Sportsman. A guy from a very small town in Scotland wins Wimbledon you couldn't make it up
Your right watching, apart from the Van Persie chance in the last minute they never looked liked scoring, , defensively looking solid and spoke to one of my mates who lives over in Paris and said this Sakho who we are supposedly signing is top class but think we are missing a bit of strength in midfield, Sturridge is a revelation but wondering what happens when he's not the main man when suarez comes back.
Heard him talked about in dispatches mate but only read him in person the past few months or so,intelligent guy but he's been owned so many times and tied himself in knots and wears his green and gold spectacles with pride,Bolger is renowned for it mate,doesn't give a toss about punters,fantastic trainer though,DA is short enough considering the Derby being still fresh in our memories plus with still around 15 entries in the race the draw could be important on the round course too,saying that
Sorry about the slow reply mate,broadband problems,just been on Betfair looking at the antepost markets and the one that caught my eye is Big Bucks at over 4/1? Alright he's injured but he's in the right hands with Nichols and even if her retains 80% of his ability he eats all contenders for breakfast,had to have a little dabble at the prices,whats your thoughts on that,or any other ante post markets?
Congrats on Society Rock i also had him ... RIDICULOUS value for a horse that good! Not that im complaining ... I had Glenns Diamond E/W at York too .... HUGE price for a horse that finished 2nd in the race last year! Course and distance is massive at york! Paid for my weekend that did at 25/1
Bosra Sham was a brilliant filly and again testament to the man on how patient he was and honest with the public too,before the 1000 guineas he told the public that she was going to run but because of her awful feet she had missed her main gallop and wasn't fully wound up for the race,she drifted from something like 1/3 to round about evens in the event she scrambled home by just over a length,gutted I missed her in the champion stakes and 100/30 was a steal,Cauthen was different class
RIP Sir Henry, so fitting that the greatest trainer ever produced the greatest horse ever.
@john actually whipping helps horses to steer and its the opposite of what you think. Buick did well to whip her to the left so she can go right, while with his right hand he was trying to keep her straight by pulling to the right. He is a good jockey and very humble compared to others.
Did she win mate? just got in but was telling one of the lads in work she would give williams a game today but then forgot all about it, what price was she?
Hey mate, can't wait for the UK flat season to start! I've actually had a good look at Sprinter Sacre but I don't know enough about what I'm looking at for it to blow me away like I know it should. Is it 2 miles that he's running over? is 19 lengths over jumps at that distance much the same as what it is on the flat or is it common place to see big margins like that? Is he really in that Frankel sort of class, I see he's been rated above the likes of Kauto Star, how old is the horse now?
Hiya Sammy, you mention the mile and classic but could you tell me how the rest of the euro horses did mate?
the track but also other major worldwide stallions like Sadlers Wells, Nijinsky, Northern taste, etc
As to regards of STS I wouldn't judge her vs the colts but historically vs the fillies/mares she is above zarkava, danedream in recent times so yes she displayed an amazing performance, one of which I'll remember for many many years. I hope she does it again and again at 4yo so we can have something to look forward to in horse racing because these are the moments that make it worthwhile
interesting to see Hughes opinion on tornoado being better than Canford Cliffs?!? I don't see it myself what are your thoughts?
Agree with that John. Brendan seems to be a good judge of a player, the likes of Coutinho & Mignolet look like great buys. Hopefully the new lads are of that quality. Fergie retiring has changed the whole feel of the Premier League - they'll never be as good under Moyes & it's up for grabs. Chelsea are probably favourites but they're more consistent than spectacular so they're not in a different league from us. We need to make sure we beat the likes of WBA & Hull and we'll be right up there.
Yep and as the C4 boys pointed out she wasn't able to be switched off as they would have liked as she was on the receiving end of a few bumps from Doyle's horse. So to quicken clear so decisively and rout the field like that was mighty impressive. I would say she is as good a filly as I have seen.
Ascot is a brilliant festival of racing BUT the best you can get in this country, and perhaps even the world, is the Cheltenham festival mate. It's an unbelievable 4 days of racing and a. party atmosphere from start to finish! I know it's the jumps and it isn't as popular down there but when you've experienced it you understand why it's as popular as the flat here! Speaking things to see before you die, if Sky Racing do the Aintree festival down there, take a look at the Melling Chase (continued
thats what i was thinking, where is the pace coming from? Leading Light is gonna want to push it but i can see it turning into a late dash for the line
Getting away from Beavis and Buttlover on the BC site, what are your views on Doyle getting the Abdullah job? Decent young rider but hardly a Moore or Buick who ride the Gosden and Stoute Juddmonte horses.
R.I.P Sir Henry,Greatest ever trainer and true gentleman.
continued) it'll probably be on at about 02:00 am Aussie time as its 3:05 over here. 3 of the 4 top rated chasers go head to head, one of which is rapidly gaining a reputation of being the frankel of the jumps. Stepping up from 2 miles to 2 and a half for the first time today, 8 wins out of 8 over fences and he's won his last 3 by a total of 50 lengths taking a strong hold.
John, Amandas friend here,wondering what was the top hurdler, Frankies 7 ?and loved the piece on Gladiateur im in Dunmow tomorrow, going to look up his grave, speak later
Sorry about the spelling, punctuation and general writing, using my phone rather than laptop.
The interesting thing for me about Federer is his devotion to his sport as compared to other geniuses. I have a theory that there are 2 types of sportsmen - 99.9% are good at what they do but have to work hard and follow all the rules. The others are geniuses eg O'Sullivan, McEnroe, George Best. They have instinctive brilliance, get easily bored and often go off the rails. It comes easy to them and they get easily bored. Federer is the exception, a total genius who has always respected the game.
He's capable of achieving that sort of mark but I'm worried that he'll need a strongly run race? I might back Cityscape each way even if he starts anywhere near 5's.. I can't see any replays of DOW so I don't know what I'm missing but does he really look as good as the market suggests? Has he been winning half asleep or something?
Cont: In the US there are over 30 G1 races classified as "handicap races", where successful older horses have to carry larger weights. How many are there in the UK? On the flats, I only know of minor races for less valuable horses, so the big G1 winners hardly get to prove themselves under anything but WFA. I would like to know how many there are in Oz (besides MC) which would require Its A Dundeel to carry more than he's already carrying.
this is the best time of year to get stuck in mate, make hay while the sun shines between now and the end of august, good fast ground everywhere/the 2 year olds have sorted themselves out and we know the best 3 year old form, my old uncle used to clean up every summer on 2 year olds and level weight races, he wouldnt bet on handicaps or any ground worse than g/s
9/1 is good value mate. At the end of the day he has good form on Ascot and would have run a belter last season but for missing the start. The only blemish on that Ascot record is the Sprint on Champions day last October. But, he's in form at the minute, his Jockey is on fire too, he likes the course and he's a multiple G1 winner. 9/1 is great value IMO. With Deacon Blues, it would be entirely dependent on the odds. After a big lay off he'll probably need the run, if he comes back the same horse
Never saw him live, mate. Always admired him from afar. Before he came along the little Aussie grunter, Lleyton Hewitt, was top dog with his aggressive fist-pumping style. Then Federer took him apart so surgically and comprehensively time after time that Hewitt's game fell apart and he plummeted down the rankings. A new King and style of play had arrived. All the others who have followed, including the great Rafa and Novak, knew they had to aim at this new standard that King Federer had set.
What do you think Noel Fehily stats recently ? He beat one of my selections today in the 3:50 my mate vinnie and then heard the commentator of his stats and now looking over them he has 11x wins in the last 20 race and 4x 2nd places, and not only on favorites but on outsiders as well.. quite remarkable
I went out for dinner with some friends the other night - an Aussie couple who have been living in London for the past 5 years - and I asked them if they'd heard of a horse called Frankel. To my amazement, they said, "no". Granted they're not racing fans (at all) but there'd be very few Aussies or long-term visitors in Oz that wouldn't have heard of BC. My point being that it highlights the 'reach' of racing generally in this country as opposed to the UK. Arsenal used a good term - mainstream.
I've read that Timeform Australia office wanted to give Frankel 148 so clearly only the non-racing fans of BC are so biased against him because those knowledgeable knew what Frankel was all about. Well like said even bad press is good press but no one has nothing to gain from here, its just facts that Frankel achieved and we're only looking at them, others from a professional perspective and for myself no more than a magical experience which I was lucky enough to live when it happened!
any ideas about the ebor? Ted Veale won last night in Ireland and the trainer says they are going for it on saturday, 10/1 at the moment
Just read the BC site after john's comments and got to say Franks comments are different class and well said mate about easy goer, I remember him in the preakness against sunday silenc le in the preakness with his jock going for the inside run and getting squeezed by sundays jock then storming home in the Belmont by 8 lengths plus a proper classy stayer and got to agree he was in my mind the better horse who should have won at least 2 of the 3 legs of the triple crown, good memories.
Well done mate,that's where the human touch in the bookies can work in your favour compared to betting online,obviously your natural charms working the magic with that young lady in Ladbrokes you smooth operator you! Agree with you,she was fantastic today and there wasn't a moments worry at all,pity Solwhit wasn't right she would have laughed at him too IMO,just reading a few entries and your on fire this week aren't you,great racing and well done on Bayern the other night,had a lump on my self,
Great posting eagle. How's your cricket team going, mate? Just toured India, didn't they?
Serena was 1/16 and Lisicki 7/1 mate. I thought Lisicki would play well but didn't think she would pull off a win. Huge shock. Williams didn't seem to be moving well and I think she may well have tweaked a testicle near the end. Thank goodness we're just left with the ladies now. I've just seen Lisicki quoted at 11/4 for the title which I cannot believe. If I was rich I would be ploughing into that. I can't see her losing now mate - huge serve, loves the grass & her confidence must be sky high.
I was sceptical about the quality of the race but you cannot fail to be impressed by her performance, it was actually very Frankelesque and how i would have imagined him winning an Arc powering through the field and away, cant wait to see her next year
So mate, what do we reckon of It's a Dundeel? He lines up again this weekend in the Queen Elizabeth against Manighar, Reliable Man, and even Jet Away I think, not 100 percent on that. I was pretty impressed with Reliable Man first up. 1500m far short of his best, and on heavy ground which probably suited him more than it did Pierro he was within 2 lengths. Not bad at all. Manighar looks to be back on track, so hopefully they run up into the 125 sort of region and we can see what It's A dundeel
Q) When was binary first used? A) unwittingly, in an Australian batting scorecard.
last of the gentleman trainers who put sport and good manners above profit, gracious in defeat and respectful in victory, not like todays lot who want to win at all costs and brag about how great they are, its the end of an era
john I don't think you got the example I gave.. SL simply didn't had luck in running due to another horse positioning but that other horse EK had no contact with SL hence the stewards couldn't alter the placings. Trust me if there had been even a slight contact between horses the decision could've been different.
You can see Buick did everything possible with his right hand and the whip but he still couldn't keep her straight so the stewards applied the rules and gave him a ban.
how old are you? 14? 15 maybe?
Just back from Santa Ponsa where I couldn't get a reception, absolutely gutted on the news of Sir Henry , have not seen much press is the plan for Lady Cecil to keep the stable going long term?
Frankel horse is champion !! Quelly is Awesome jockey !! Sir Henry Cecil the legend ..
Frankel !!!! Forever ..
I'm not sure how many people know, but Canford actually suffered a near-fore pastern injury in this very race, which explains why he drifted left-handed pretty badly. I doubt anyone thinks that Canford could ever have beaten Frankel, but this performance was definitely far from the best he had to offer. I think rather than being smashed 5 lengths, a prime Canford would have bridged the gap to about 2 lengths. He was Richard Hannons best ever horse. And I think at this time during 2011, he was more like 4lb inferior to Frankel, rather than the 10lb pounding he took here.
CC did drift left before when beaten,thing is,Frankel "drew" the sting and finishing speed from CC,although CC was a great great horse,i think Frankel was about 7lb better.
He was injured trying to keep up with Frankel, he wasn't injured before
athleticscoach2012 that's a good point.. I guess Frankel took him to a place beyond his limits he'd never been before... and broke him.. peace
I agree with your comments Lee SOG but it just throws more variables into the mix about how good Frankel really was.
If your comments are correct then Frankel would be about 136 rated horse.
If CC had run to within 2l of Frankel they would have moved CC's rating up. Part of being a great athlete is not getting injured though
John I agree to some extent I cannot see why Al Kazeem and Camelot are Si short! I'm on side glance and red Cadeux each way ... Incredible value!
Yep plenty of quality around and I'm big on Voltigeur stakes also, can't wait to see Telescope running. I've done a win only treble on Telescope, Al Kaz and Riposte :-) should be fun :D The trickiest is Telescope as its unproven for the distance but its by galileo so should be fine, second tricky is Al kaz which has new competition in Toronado and who knows what comes out of it, and RIposte should take all the beating imo
arsenal to give a high profile example as this happens almost any day, would you give camelot the 2012 st leger because his path was blocked by Encke and when finally managed to get out he couldn't catch Encke ? Its exactly the same situation, a horse being forced by another one to go away of the ideal path and someone saying that the stewards should count the number of lengths that Encke cost Camelot for letting him in that pocket for so long. So would you reverse the placing and award Camelot?
then the highlight of Riposte now I am like stone normally but the bravery and class of Lady Cecil shone through,not a royalist but great to see the joy of the Queen at the finish and good to see Joanna Morgan win a top prize and lovely to see Remote getting smashed into by punters and getting up to win the Tercentenary,top class day,can't wait for tomorrow having a good bet on Just The Judge,only thing holding me back from a massive lump on is the car park draw on the round course and
John, just ask them who won the Ashes, the womens' Ashes, the Lions v Australia Test series, the US Open golf, the mens' Wimbledon singles and the last 2 Tours De France? No wonder they're a bit touchy!
John, I reckon Suarez at 11/4 to be top Prem scorer is a cracking bet. Several reasons - despite his banned start to the season he has almost caught everybody up already - he was head to head with RVP all last season until he got banned near the end - RVP had an injury free season last year which is unusual in his injury prone career - Sturridge seems more than happy to lay the ball across the 6yd box to Suarez for tap ins when other strikers would shoot. I think he's a great price at 11/4 mate.
As a racing fan, there are two things I've instructed my wife not to let me die until I've done. Both occur in France, as it turns out. 1) Go and watch an Arc. 2) Watch the morning gallops at Chantilly. What else needs to go on the Bucket List? Of course there are other family-related things, but they're all well down the list! ;)
i've backed 4 in the national Forpaddy for sentimental reasons, Big Fella Thanks cos i backed him the last 3 years and if i dont back him he'll piss it, Quel Esprit because he looks like he'd be suited to the race and Join Together because of his good 2nd in the beecher chase, i'm having a few quid on Hendersons in the 1st, Alderwood in the 2nd and a big punt on Solwhit in the stayers hurdle, i think he won easily at cheltenham and is still lightly raced
by much ... looking forward to hearing what Arsenal thinks re my analysis and the two horses that finished 2nd and 3rd off such a slow tempo ... also SP's learnt a or from those two over the last 12 months or so
Eagle, does Hamilton have more or less points than Rosberg? Does Button have more or less points than Perez? In qualifying Hamilton and Rosberg are 3-3. I would hardly call this 'getting owned', you only need to look at Webber over the last four years to see what that is. Also please provide me with the date that Aus beat England in the world cup.
The greatest who trained the greatest is no more. Sad day for worldwide racing.Rest in peace sir.
In work all day and didn't have a bet but just watched the racing now and got to say it was fantastic,if you were at the track today you would have lumped on No Nay Never,talk about men against boys,last time I have seen a 2 year old like that was Paul Cole's Coventry winner Dilum in 1991,fav for both 2000 guineas and Derby straight after the race by August at York the boys had caught up and I feel the same about the Norfolk winner but great to see Wesley Ward rewarded with his forward thinking
@makoceans.He didn't break the track record.He was about 2 seconds out.Teleprompter holds it from the early eighties. STS holds the Eclipse record.
Novelist for the King George. The three year olds aren't up to it this year and there's ground and form worries for Cirrus Des Aigles. Ekitihaam has not only been abandoned by Hanagan but won't get his own way up front and you have to wonder what effect his tumble in the Hardwicke has left. Others don't seem good enough. So it's the German horse for me. Very good form and proven at the distance and at the top level.
Hit the nail on the head there too - it's at the mile that the imbalance between Hcp & WFA is at it's most absurd. There are 15 G1 races at that distance. The 5 handicaps (Toorak Hcp, Emirates Stks, Doncaster Hcp, Epsom Hcp, Railway Stks) are among our "big" G1s (less so the Railway). Of the 10 remaining 1600m G1s, 8 of them are age or sex restricted and the only 2 Open WFAs are the George Main and Chipping Norton (hardly 'premier' races). For BC to step up to a mile at WFA, what was suitable??
Moonlight Cloud (most likely campaigned at a mile instead), Lucky Nine (no idea) and Sham Express (KS). That leaves Society Rock, Deacon Blues, Mental, Lucky Nine, Krypton Factor, Gordon Lord Byron and Tickled Pink. Society Rock loves Ascot, is going well obviously, is safe on varying ground conditions, what do we think ? 9/1 seems enormous, I'm just worried about Deacon Blues....?
Another perspective on the brilliance of Frankel, Farhh now alongside Excelebration as a certain champion in other years, both destroyed by him on the bridle, amazing...
I personally think Toronado is the real deal. His Timeform form figure is now apparently 124, 3 lbs higher than Camelot this time last year (121). However, Dawn Approach is rated 126. However, his speed figure is higher than Dawn Approach and he looked to have a load in hand when he achieved his figure. His last 3 furlongs in the Craven were run in a touch above 33 seconds. Which was over a second faster than any of the other winners during the day, even the 5 furlong winners.
hello Andrew it was Istabraq he finished 11th behind Fujiama Crest in the last race when he was still with John Gosden
POW!!! Come on Farhh! What a horse and what a performance!
for me its a busy day with decent bets on Doctor Parkes, Brae Hill at chester and I'M Fraam Govan in the last at sandown.
Kingman will be watching with great interest, Chigun a non-runner now, intergral adventure into top level may have left some scars and Zibelina may well take this with a bit of fight
Just been through the form again mate and she still stands out to me,she's broke well both times this season got plenty of early tactical pace and even first time out in the 1000 guineas would have won if Spencer had produced her later,my main concern is the pace angle,I remember last year St James Palace Stakes when Most Improved of Meehan's won with a large number of unlucky horses with a packed field with plenty of no hoper's getting in the way of the class runners and just hope it
I was a young apprentice electrician in the early 80's aqnd loved the jumps but can honestly say I didn't have a clue on the flat but the spark I worked with and give me a lift home always stopped in the bookies when Sir Henry had a runner in the last race of the day,normally a maiden and normally in the apricot colours of Lord Howard De Walden ridden either by Stevie Cauthen or a young Willie Ryan claiming 5ibs at the time,well you couldn't fail, I soon realized you could double your money
I'm back with vengeance , back to basics and studied form all morning just like the old days and backed one horse , Zibelina 16/1 at Ascot.
I would also take a good look at any horse who ran at Ascot today who turns up in next weeks Stewards Cup. A lot of horses who ran like they'll be spot on for the Goodwood in 7 days time none other than old Hawkeyethenoo who looked magnificent in the parade ring. Novellist was my only winner at the course on a day where winners proved very hard to find. How did that 25/1 shot win the first is beyond me.
Arsenal mate, I can't remember the name of the horse but back in 2001 this happened to me: I had a highly speculative tenner double on a horse running that day at 8/1 plus Goran Ivanisevic to win Wimbledon (after he'd won his 2nd Rd match) at 33/1. My horse passed the post 1st but drifted half the width of the track taking the 2nd horse with him, winning by a neck. My horse was disqualified and Ivanisevic went on to win Wimbledon. That cost me over 3 grand & the result was overturned on appeal.
Thanks mate you've given me some serious food for thought there just what I needed. I've had a 100 on him to place at $3.30 for the moment which I think is pretty good value considering he's a near certainty to take his place. I'll wait for the news on Reckless Abandon and if they point him to the KS I might have another 100 to win. Animal Kingdom vs Farhh should be a ripper what do you reckon?
It's all about the Guineas now! Don't think I've looked forward to a Guineas this much haha. Really looking forward to seeing what this classic generation and the foreign horses coming over can do over the course of the season as these look as promising as I can remember in terms of depth in class. As for the jumps and SS, big margins are more common but only because all the best horses over jumps only really seem to come together at Cheltenham, at Cheltenham it's far less common as (cont)