Small mistake from my side: I calculated the Dex Damage in a slightly wrong way soo…the actual average dmg increase from 500 dex is equal to 20% (x). This means the total damage loss from doombringer is somewhere around -11% to -15% compared to a sword with Dmg per dark shroud, which is still OK imo considering the huge Damage reduction we get! So the idea is the same, just a bit less effective :) Sorry for the not 100% correct information
@@PhrazeMuzikdruid doesnt scale off dex. What he’s saying is doombringer’s defensive stats are so good you can take rubies out of your gear and put in gems for your class’s main stat that scales dmg.
And the All stats give also bit of armor, resource regen, resistances, crit + the extra dex gives good amount of dodge. And maybe you are able to unlock some paragon nodes with those all stats. Pretty dope actually. Thanks for the simple but usefull info! Just found one on my heartseeker.
Using this as an Andy rogue currently. The build feels slightly clunkier after losing the aspect and some tempers, but the gain in tankiness is actually crazy. I can face tank all the top content in the game. The trade off is worth it, as the poison is still ticking for hundreds of millions after it gets going anyway.
I understand the concept behind this strategy, but I think calling it a "hidden affix" can be a bit misleading. I can tell by some of the comments that people are taking that literally.
I understand that but I did not know how to name it differently. But the outcome is the same: doombringer allows you 500 more dex which many people do not realize
@@EfficientRogue I think the way you put it in the title is just fine, expressing that the Doombringer is better than a lot of people might think. No need to try to name it anything else 👍. Regardless, in the end I think your observations and research is helpful! I hope I get a Doombringer some day!
I’ve been using doombringer for survivability and helped me complete tier 8 horde but the bosses took forever to kill. I forgot I could slot dex instead of health I’m changing that as soon as I get home. Thanks bro.
@@captinsprinkle7795 that’s what I am doing too. I dropped magnum opus for doombringer. With DB and Tyriels might I am staying alive a lot easier than I was with magnum opus. If I can ever find grandfather I’ll drop doombringer and slot magnum opus back in.
@JeremyDrifts_ I'm smashing t8 IH with it. I get home I'll tell you what my damage Is at. But I do have Andarials, T Might, and Starless Skies also on it. Umbacrrx as the other weapon.
@@jasonrice6966 i was about to try this too, tho i dont think we can swap out one of out few aspects we got left without losing too much dmg. What did you repalce it with?
Im pretty sure they also changed how the shadow damage proc on doombringer works it used to work on a very very small area on your character ( basically close melee range) and now it also works at a distance like andariels does
I think alot of classes sleep on doom been using it on my chain lightning sorc and especially for sorc the health bump and the dr allows me to dump shako use Andy’s and still feel tanky with 13 ranks of glass cannon between neckpiece and ramient just brings the whole build to another tier
I just got one with 2GAs on my rogue on my first NORMAL duriel kill. I was blown away. Came to UA-cam in homes someone would tell me its actually good lol
Only problem i have with doombringer is losing an offensive aspect not as much the stats. Offensive aspect slots are very lacking with a mana ring being needed as well as gloves being unique
Probably bursting venoms/cold clip if you’re running flurry and bursting venoms/umbacrux for barrage. Imo this might be decent when t9/10 drop or if you’re struggling to survive but if you’re not then stick to your normal build
For all the Andariel's players like me: The shadow damage also scales through the build so yeah, we can say Doombringer is BiS for Rogues. At least for the current content released.
Yeah it’s not worth dropping a aspect for DB it also slows your Puncture throws etc due to the slower swing time on the weapon it’s honestly just kind of dookie
Oh that one. That’s actually a very interesting one. It super increases your dmg vs bosses but it’s useless during arena itself so you have to decide what’s better for you
This isn't a hidden affix and it's misleading to say it is. A hidden affix is something like, on the Starless Skies, it gives +ranks to all Core Skills. And it also gives the same amount of +ranks to all Mastery Skills on the Sorc. That's a real hidden affix, not this other thing you're talking about.
Am I stupid or it’s just a plus 165 all stats which gives u dexterity thus gives u additional damage, and it’s not a hidden dmg stat. When u take out doombringer u have 1678 dext after u put it back u have 1844 dext
The video is just poorly explained. Doombringer gives dmg reduction therefore you dont need as much life gems in your gear and instead can use dex/stre/int gems for more dmg.
or you just go leggy dagger and 5 dex gems because for current t8 u dont need much life to survive lol well if you are slow maybe life gem worth it but if u know how to play your class life is always meh
It's not a dex bonus.. this shit is click bait. The sword gives you such a huge bonus to % life you can unsocket your rubies for primary stat gems in your armor. That's where the "Extra Dex" is coming from.. it's the same on any class
It's not a dex bonus or hidden affix.. this shit is click bait. The sword gives you such a huge bonus to % life you can unsocket your rubies for primary stat gems in your armor. That's where the "Extra Dex" is coming from.. it's the same for whatever gem you socket in your armor instead of rubies
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Small mistake from my side: I calculated the Dex Damage in a slightly wrong way soo…the actual average dmg increase from 500 dex is equal to 20% (x). This means the total damage loss from doombringer is somewhere around -11% to -15% compared to a sword with Dmg per dark shroud, which is still OK imo considering the huge Damage reduction we get!
So the idea is the same, just a bit less effective :) Sorry for the not 100% correct information
I want to know how this works with rogue but not other classes, doesn't seem the same on druid. You sure it's not some passive?
@@PhrazeMuzikdruid doesnt scale off dex. What he’s saying is doombringer’s defensive stats are so good you can take rubies out of your gear and put in gems for your class’s main stat that scales dmg.
You can make up for it by replacing Max life on regular gear with Damage% or something besides health.
I really wish the training dummy had a way of showing your actual DPS output so you could easily compare changes in your builds.
And the All stats give also bit of armor, resource regen, resistances, crit + the extra dex gives good amount of dodge. And maybe you are able to unlock some paragon nodes with those all stats. Pretty dope actually. Thanks for the simple but usefull info! Just found one on my heartseeker.
I was contemplating this since I got my first uber last night, and it was this sword. Good to see I was headed the right direction.
Using this as an Andy rogue currently. The build feels slightly clunkier after losing the aspect and some tempers, but the gain in tankiness is actually crazy. I can face tank all the top content in the game. The trade off is worth it, as the poison is still ticking for hundreds of millions after it gets going anyway.
How long do t8 hordes take you? I may try this, too
@@slartiste I’ve been sticking with t7’s but they are really easy, minus the occasional Desecrator 1 shotting me out of nowhere
@matthewgunther782 yeah those need nerfed
I play it with Andariels too. T6 was easy trying t7 today.
I understand the concept behind this strategy, but I think calling it a "hidden affix" can be a bit misleading. I can tell by some of the comments that people are taking that literally.
I understand that but I did not know how to name it differently. But the outcome is the same: doombringer allows you 500 more dex which many people do not realize
@@EfficientRogue I think the way you put it in the title is just fine, expressing that the Doombringer is better than a lot of people might think. No need to try to name it anything else 👍. Regardless, in the end I think your observations and research is helpful! I hope I get a Doombringer some day!
Amazing finding and thanks for sharing! :)
I’ve been using doombringer for survivability and helped me complete tier 8 horde but the bosses took forever to kill. I forgot I could slot dex instead of health I’m changing that as soon as I get home. Thanks bro.
I guess you could use this on a whirlwind barb too and add 400-500 strength to all armor.
That’s what I did for now since I have rammy on the other hand. I feel mythic stats outweigh uniques( unless I get a triple max stat 1h )
@@captinsprinkle7795 that’s what I am doing too. I dropped magnum opus for doombringer. With DB and Tyriels might I am staying alive a lot easier than I was with magnum opus.
If I can ever find grandfather I’ll drop doombringer and slot magnum opus back in.
Smack this on the barrage Andy's build and you are a unstoppable god.
Haha gunna try this out. It be insane if I still do 2b Dot Damage
@JeremyDrifts_ I'm smashing t8 IH with it. I get home I'll tell you what my damage Is at. But I do have Andarials, T Might, and Starless Skies also on it. Umbacrrx as the other weapon.
@@jasonrice6966 Sayless! Yea lmk 💯 if you wanna run it add me #itzyuki1349
Which aspect did you replace with it?
@@jasonrice6966 i was about to try this too, tho i dont think we can swap out one of out few aspects we got left without losing too much dmg. What did you repalce it with?
Im pretty sure they also changed how the shadow damage proc on doombringer works it used to work on a very very small area on your character ( basically close melee range) and now it also works at a distance like andariels does
I used it sometimes alternating with umbracrux in an andariel barrage build. You can easily run these around the infernal hordes of lvl 8
Thats a simple but very good idea to use the Green gems ❤️
Cant find this weapon on the craft list of jeweler nor alchemist. Have it changed?
I think alot of classes sleep on doom been using it on my chain lightning sorc and especially for sorc the health bump and the dr allows me to dump shako use Andy’s and still feel tanky with 13 ranks of glass cannon between neckpiece and ramient just brings the whole build to another tier
All last season I used your builds, I will give it a go.
My first mythic was doombringer and yes it’s been used on all but one of my toons. It’s being ignored but it’s actually amazing.
Just got one of these from tormented zir, love that drops are level 35, gotta make a rogue now .
I just got one with 2GAs on my rogue on my first NORMAL duriel kill. I was blown away. Came to UA-cam in homes someone would tell me its actually good lol
What aspect do you replace with doombringer? Your planner doesn’t show doom equipped
I have a doom flurry version with scoundrels leather
What is max damage reduce on barbarian only on items?? Thank you :)
Only problem i have with doombringer is losing an offensive aspect not as much the stats. Offensive aspect slots are very lacking with a mana ring being needed as well as gloves being unique
You can consider the 500 dex/primary stat as a 20% (x) aspect instead
I did this last season to get to ~90% dodge with my shadow imbuement rapid fire build.
When Math doesn't Math u get videos like this..
It’s hard to find a place for doombringer in andariel build
Thanks for the video.
Does it also make sense to play Doombringer as Andariel's Rogue? Which aspect would have to give way for this?
Probably bursting venoms/cold clip if you’re running flurry and bursting venoms/umbacrux for barrage. Imo this might be decent when t9/10 drop or if you’re struggling to survive but if you’re not then stick to your normal build
I replaced bursting venom since I get poison imbue from puncture.
For all the Andariel's players like me: The shadow damage also scales through the build so yeah, we can say Doombringer is BiS for Rogues. At least for the current content released.
You lose the bursting venom aspect, not worth it
Yeah it’s not worth dropping a aspect for DB it also slows your Puncture throws etc due to the slower swing time on the weapon it’s honestly just kind of dookie
Yeah that’s a false statement
@jadenoconnell8354 definitely worth it if you are running barrage though. I use it and I went from struggling in t7 IH to face tanking t8. lol
@@jasonrice6966 oh yeah , using a bow for your damage output makes it viable
Doom. Bringer is a all around weapon for any class
U think this can work with rapid fire rouge or would that take to much crit damage away
I just got it today
Right now I am leveling my barrage rogue with it….plus Andy, starless and tyrael….and it’s totally smooth 😂😂
4 mythics on any build is gonna run smooth.
Does the doombringer specifically help dex?
No works for all primary stats I just run a rogue channel 😅
is it good for heartseeker rogue build.... shard of varathiel + doombringer?
I dont know the current version of it but if you don’t loose a very important
Aspect I’d say yes
You think its also valueable for barrage ?
So, the hidden afix is always Dex or maybe is the primary attribute for the class equipping the sword?
Yes, primary
It isn't so much hidden, as since you get a bunch of life from it, so you can choose different armor gems. You can put whatever gems you want there.
@@MartinEB72 yeah took me a while to understand how stupidly said this was.
great vid but what about the damage loss from not equiping the aspect that you have on the legendary weapon?
Its already calculated in: you loose 20% aspect and 500% ad dmg for 500 dex equal to a 2-3% dps loss
Love it! Makes total sense. However running dex gems AND no doombringer 😅 and rely on Second Wind also works I think!
@@MattiasTheGamer Sounds like GIGACHAD rogue haha
I’m running it on my Andariel barrage since it’s slap, no real change in the clear speed on t8 hordes..
but you lose the bursting venom aspect
@@Anakin93 it doesn’t matter if you are not pushing pits over 130
Great vid ! I was wondering if the aspect of true sight is worth it or not ?
What’s does it do again?
@@EfficientRogue 100% more crit dmg on ennemies marked by true sight
Inner sight*
Oh that one. That’s actually a very interesting one. It super increases your dmg vs bosses but it’s useless during arena itself so you have to decide what’s better for you
Its even betteron bloodsurge necro, currently trying to farm a life ga one
How about the shadowdmg doombringer does. Is that counted in?
@@viktorstorelv no but it’s not big dmg.. smth around a million
I found that Item today 😊
So are there other Mythics with hidden stats?
Can it fits in an andariels flurry rouge?
Yes I’m pretty sure it fits in any rogue build that does not require 2 unique weapons
That was an odd way of explaining it. All you’re saying is you can use green gems instead of red gems and not lose life.
Well I’ve seen no one so far using this gems or talking about it so I made this video
i tried doombringer with barbarian. passive not procing
Need lucky hit build.
This isn't a hidden affix and it's misleading to say it is. A hidden affix is something like, on the Starless Skies, it gives +ranks to all Core Skills. And it also gives the same amount of +ranks to all Mastery Skills on the Sorc. That's a real hidden affix, not this other thing you're talking about.
great vid, but does Doombringer shadow dmg proc Andariel
Dont think so
@@EfficientRogue yea would have been too good :)
I use doombringer on my rogue since i got it - T8 Horde is easy :)
Really sad that I need to salvage this to create Shako.
My doom has ga health but it’s useless on me,already using dex gems
Thx for all your work ;-). Can this bild beat lillith ? Tytyy
I have a similar build and only 1 mythic (starless skies) with some MW 12 gear and it was an easy kill
Slotting dex for andy rogue doesn’t do much though does it? Dex scales skill dmg and our dmg comes from our poison nova, not from skills right?
Yes I believe 95% of our damage is the poison nova
No Andy’s dmg scales with dex as well (all flat dmg effects scale with dex)
Am I stupid or it’s just a plus 165 all stats which gives u dexterity thus gives u additional damage, and it’s not a hidden dmg stat. When u take out doombringer u have 1678 dext after u put it back u have 1844 dext
its a "metaphor" because you can drop all life gems with doombringer and put in dex gems instead that boost your dex by 500
watch the video again and listen to what he is saying
The video is just poorly explained. Doombringer gives dmg reduction therefore you dont need as much life gems in your gear and instead can use dex/stre/int gems for more dmg.
Not only DR, but life given is more than 5 rubles.
Soo...the"hiden affix" is jus cuz u can equip diferent gems? Ur joking right???
or you just go leggy dagger and 5 dex gems because for current t8 u dont need much life to survive lol well if you are slow maybe life gem worth it but if u know how to play your class life is always meh
I broke mine down for an andys 😅
So you just use different gems........ not really a hidden affix
I see this vid after scraping mine for the spark... fml
Don’t worry if I would not have a starless or tyraels yet I would also scrap it
You can run green gems without doombringer
Yes but usually you then lack survivability
@@EfficientRogue not with tyriels
You can do that yes but I think for t8 it’s to squishy in my experience
You didn't exactly prove or show that that it has Dex bonus tho?
It's not a dex bonus.. this shit is click bait. The sword gives you such a huge bonus to % life you can unsocket your rubies for primary stat gems in your armor. That's where the "Extra Dex" is coming from.. it's the same on any class
It's not a dex bonus or hidden affix.. this shit is click bait. The sword gives you such a huge bonus to % life you can unsocket your rubies for primary stat gems in your armor. That's where the "Extra Dex" is coming from.. it's the same for whatever gem you socket in your armor instead of rubies
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