“ UNDERGROUND ARTERIES: STORY OF TRANSITE PIPE ASBESTOS CEMENT ” 1950s JOHNS-MANVILLE CORP XD45754
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This 1950s color promotional film from the Johns-Manville Corporation touts their Transite line of asbestos cement (AC) pipes, boasting of their product’s revolutionary convenience (TRT 35:34). The asbestos cement pipes shown were expected to have a lifespan of 75 years. In recent decades there have been notable cases of AC pipe failure and detection of high levels of asbestos in the drinking water, including Woodstock, NY which experienced AC pipe issues in 1985
An illustration of a city. Title: “Underground Arteries, The Story of Transite Pipe Asbestos Cement” (0:18). A hand turns on a water faucet. A full glass is handed to a young girl (0:47). A man washes a car using a garden hose. A baby bathes in a kitchen sink. A raging fire. A group of men in suits reviewing a blueprint (1:06). Exterior: “Somerset County Administration Building'' in New Jersey. Rivers, reservoirs, dams (1:54). A water treatment facility, running sprinklers. Aerial photographs: The placement of water pipelines (2:27). Title cards: “Quick, Economic Installation, Structural Strength, Tight Joints, Maintained Flow Capacity, Long Life, Protection of Water Quality'' and a checklist of all of the above (3:17). An asbestos pipe, stenciled “Johns-Manville Transite Pipe for Modern Water Systems'' (4:18). Ingredients in closeup: asbestos, cement, and silica (4:35). Dynamite blasting. Asbestos fibers are pulled apart. Powdered cement is tapped out of a beaker (4:52). Exterior, an asbestos factory. A Johns-Manville mine empties asbestos fiber into a winnowing machine. Tanks of asbestos fibers. A dry mixer blends asbestos, cement, and silica. A worker weighs the mixture on a Toledo brand scale (5:32). A mixture is deposited onto a conveyor belt in a sheet, then rolled through a press, winding on a mandrel to a pipe’s thickness (6:42). The pipe is rolled onto a rack, stenciled, then removed from the mandrel (8:19). A suction lift stacks pipes. Curing pipes are removed from a pressure steam tank (9:01). Quality control inspection. A diameter gauge. Beam testing bends the pipe. Testing a water pressure of 500 psi (10:03). The gauge. The finished pipe rolls away, draining water (11:44). A “ring-tite” joint coupling. Workers cut and check precision couplings on factory machinery (12:29). The rubber rings of the coupling are stress tested by stretching. Stickers of approval are applied, pipes are carried away (13:50). A shipment of pressure pipes, hauled on railcars and trucks (14:42). Unloading. A 13’ section of pipe is lowered into a trench. Two pipes are joined (15:03). An above ground demonstration of “ring tite” coupling. A bucket of “ring tite lubricant” is applied by hand, rubber rings are inserted (15:52). A cross-section illustration of the coupling (17:04). A series of pipes form a curve. An excavator and a pipe-laying team. A trench is filled (18:30). Trucks from Haddon Trenching Co. work alongside a highway. A valve is installed (19:08). Molten lead is poured over a joint. A large pipe is cut to a custom length (19:39). A “corporation stop” is pressure tested, demonstrating the integrity of threading under great strain (20:16). A pipe is covered with dirt. Stock footage of a firefight. A broken segment of pipe is magnified, showing tiny asbestos fibers dispersed through the inner surface of the pipe (21:10). Street traffic. Articles on water waste. Street flushing. Examining a water main (23:11). Railroad train cars. Earthquake headlines (24:21). A fire hydrant. A pitcher of water at a dinner table. An animated illustration shows “water” (red arrows) flowing through a pipe to a hydrant. “Force” and “Internal Smoothness” are indicated. Closeup on a smooth pipe (25:23). Graduated diameters of pipe lay in a field under blue skies. A waterworks. A dam. (27:15). Free lime is dropped onto two squares of cement, the Transite is less affected (28:40). Underground soil corrosion testing. A 15-year old asbestos pipe segment (29:41). Pipe cutting (31:16). Oil derricks. Water pumping away from a coal mine (32:16). A fountain (35:09).
Johns-Manville employees claimed lung disease disabilities as early as 1929. Claims were settled secretly out of court. In 1943, Johns-Manville suppressed a report confirming the link between asbestos and cancer, and continually misled employees with asbestosis, lung cancer, and mesothelioma. In the 1980s, they filed for bankruptcy protection to cover mounting lawsuits.
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They told us it was safe to work with this pipe…, hand or power saws to cut it and rasp files to bevel the ends…, now we’re bagging it up as we replace the broken joints as hazardous materials and it’s very costly to get rid of.
Interesting to hear that they’ve known about the health risks since the 20’s…, over a hundred years ago.
I started working with it in 1982 in the Oakland Bay Area at East Bay Municipal Utility District.
Notice that they had no traffic control, flag people, cones ect. No hard hats either.
No compaction equipment for the trenches, and no shoring…., we’ll we’ve made some changes since then, usually because someone was injured or killed, thanks OSHA…!!!
Exactly. Nobody complained when people used horses & rode them to death. People didn't even dispose of them properly leaving the dead horse right there in the street & walking over to the blacksmith to buy another $20 horse. All normal while horses seeing this & their future there dead on a city street until the automobile came along & just like that 90,000,000 horses suddenly gone, just vanished, in a decade. Piled up there at the city dump because there was more than enough supply at the Elmers glue factory or the Jello gelliton store so you bought your car & someone followed you to the dump and took out your revolver & shot your horse. Buh bye Rosie... BANG! But we got a new FORD!
As Americans we used workers the same way whether they are animal or human it makes no difference. Whether it be using soldiers at selected sites to see if they could survive a nuclear blast, or coal miners whom you had to prepare to replace after they reached age 40 (because you knew black lung created jobs for immigrants (so you had to advertise for them in Scandinavian newspapers) or today any worker in the construction business who you knew wouldn't last long after age 50 because that was their Unions responsibility not yours. Fact is we have always worked our workers to death & still do. Excusing ourselves from this by paying them higher wages does not compensate for deteriorating joints, muscles overstressed they barely can hold your arm onto your body, toes on your feet so deteriorated you wobble around instead of walking, or bicycling instead of a normal walk because your knees can barely hold you up -its less painful to bike the distance & cheaper than a wheelchair as long as you still have balance, because if you can't balance few live past 7 more years and NOBODY is going to tell you the truth about that.
Fact is we've been fighting for worker rights immediately after the civil war and politicians have been used by owners of business by threatening higher costs if they pass laws workers demand or support the Unions workers tried to join. Politicians used their own Police or the local Sheriff would go down to the local watering hole to deputize a posse of Deputies to beat the shit out of strikers who only asked for those wages we make today, the 40 hours we whine about today, overtime was non existent but abused today, and we had no holidays except July 4th, Christmas was OPTIONAL, vacation or sick pay would of had you fired for simply asking, Healthcare was free because it only came from prayer not your employer and now Labor Day is reserved today for back to school shopping & nobody even gives the shit how many Americans died on the job or the fact the Holiday was created world wide in support of Americans who were on strike in Chicago & executed by Chicago police for not dispersing a legal organized strike.
The American government in 1880 wanted to forget about the Chicago massacre which led to what we call "international workers day" isn't called that anywhere else but here. They call it LABOR DAY, Americans call it international workers day & label it as a communist or socialist holiday when fact is MAY 1st was the day chosen by an international effort. May 1st, that day, was specifically created for 4 Americans executed by Chicago police who were only doing their jobs, true, but they executed workers on strike! The Holiday we call Labor Day was created by other countries to support how horrible workers here were treated. Our govt refused the gift! And still havent accepted it. but our government refused to honor a holiday created world wide for American workers. We call it May Day and expect to see children dancing with flowers around a May Pole we have turned May 1st into every other occasion we can think of except for WHY it was created... and our government finally agreed to create Labor Day because other States were acknowledging May 1st. So to confuse the shit out of everybody our govt chose the first Monday in September, far from the memory of 4 men executed because they just wanted better working conditions in 1880, USA. The workers of the world heard those gun shots & created Labor Day May 1st 1882. Our Congress still hasn't accepted it as the Labor Day it was created for & it took 12 years of additional protesting for them to created a new Holiday in September because they didn't want to accept the Holiday as a gift from the workers of the world which would amount to Congress actually supporting Unions. Nope cant have that. Our President Grove Cleveland agreed he would sign it into law but only if it wasn't in May. Because he was afraid it would spark riots if in May not to mention it would make martyrs of those 4 victims in Chicago & we couldn't have that! It became Law in 1894 only because it refused to recognize any American who died whether on the job or striking for better conditions.
And you bring up OSHA?! WTF does osha care about? They only act when workers react. And its quite ironic Republicans who literally ran this country between 1860-1932 and refused to pass anything for the workers of America except for Rail Road workers because when they went on strike Congress ran out of food & everything was rail before the Automobile, no rail, no food, so Congress forced the Vanderbilts & other excessively wealthy railroad owners to end the strike which they refused so Congress passed a law giving strikers everything they asked for. Congress & Republicans did not address any other worker after that except for creating Labor Day on the wrong day and people still had to work 12 hour days 6 days a week. It took the total collapse of the Republican free for all economy which led to repetitive economic recessions about every decade which kept workers in check from striking & made the rich get richer. It took Democrats to give us paid Holidays, vacation pay, set a minimum wage, set up a min retirement pay plan called SSI, set 40 hour work weeks, require overtime after that. But Democrats didn't do shit for the protection of workers until Republicans took back control in 1968. Richard Nixon, a republican, created more in his 5 years than any Democrat did in his 5 years, except the President just before him... Lyndon Johnson.
Nixon created OSHA, the EPA, ended the Apollo program, ended American involvement in the Vietnam Civil War, he created Earth Day for crying outloud, he ordered his staff to break into Democrat Headquarters to see who they picked as their next puppet. Hoover said it was Ted Kennedy so he committed a felony to find out & fired the FBI director who was dead wrong. He fired the most crooked Federal employee of all times who routinely used the FBI to keep files on every American & bribe them by using it... J Edgar Hoover who ran the FBI from 1924-1972 he had dirt on every DC politician. It took Nixon to fire his ass. He died soon after. No surprise there. Nixon was forced to find someone who would pardon him but had to get rid of his VP in order to replace him with whoever would pardon him because he committed a felony in office. Enter IRS who convicted VP Agnew for income tax fraud & sent him to prison forcing him to resign. Enter Gerald Ford who replaced him. Nixon resigns Ford becomes president. Nixon pardoned.
Enter Betty Ford, 60-minutes LiVE on CBS primetime Sunday, so drunk & high on drugs she says: so what if kids have sex before marriage. I mean me & the President did. You need to try out the product before you marry it and that goes for getting an apartment together before marriage too. The President sat silent. Finally he says, "well, thats Betty!" Next day... she was more popular than the President. Ronald Reagan was pissed. Enter the man who destroyed the American union:
Reagan. He took care of worker safety alright. He moved it to China.
@@cme98 Well, I agree with all of this. But you are heavy on government blame. Government is just people, and people will lie, cheat, even kill if they can get away with it. People at this company and thousands like it stood by and watched their neighbors die under the guise of "miraculous industrial advancement" (translation: make a lot of crap, produce propaganda to deceive people who love to see themselves as "modern" into buying it, lather, rinse, repeat.) I blame the cradle-to-coffin fostering of competition over cooperation. It pollutes the whole of human society.
Risks of Asbestos have been known since the Roman times, they used it in heat resistant pottery and ceramics and knew the people working with the raw Asbestos got strange lung diseases no-one else suffered with.
@@cme98 20 dollar horse? $20 was a helluva lot of money in 1880
As I've said many times, we go way overboard because of the word "asbestos". It was used for a very long time without serious problems. As far as Transite(tm)... nothing about it is "safe". All of it's materials are very bad if you breath them in. (including cement) The only really dangerous part is in manufacture, but cutting in the field would also generate unsafe dust. (just as unsafe today as then, and most people still don't wear masks when cutting concrete materials.)
Some of that footage showed no discernible dust in the recording. The fellas without masks on in some of the grinding operations surprised me.
Oh man, wouldn’t want to take a single breath in the factory making these pipes.
I was about to post the same comment. This is so unsafe.
The guy emptying the bag of asbestos fibers into the hopper had a sort of dust mask on. Shudder...
My pipe layers would just shrug their shoulders when using a chop saw to cut it
Even tho I would tell them it's a carcenagenic
@@bobdelano6746 carcinogenic
@Mighty Mouse Girlfriend I was a poor worker making nine dollars an hr right next to them
So what are you trying to say
A moment of silence for all those people who worked with it and those dieing from it still. It's still supplies water and sewer service to millions today. It sure did last long.
I wonder just how many workers who handled this stuff are still taking in air/ pumping transmission fluid with out any regard for safety at the plant!!!!
@@gregoryclemen1870 No need to think that everyone who has somehow touched asbestos will inevitably die. It is believed that plastic packaging and all sorts of artificial additives in food products lead to even more cancers than asbestos.
It's good to know the _joint lubricant_ "IS COMPLETELY SAFE!". 🤣
The joint lubricant counters the minor negative effects of the asbestos in the pipes.
It was probably vaseline
Say! This “asbestos” stuff sounds pretty neat! How about we looking into putting this stuff in literally everything we come in contact with.
I am pretty sure we all breath toms of this crap and don’t even know it.
I would probably be even better with a little radioactivity thrown in!
and brake pads everything
While not into 'literally everything', asbestos came pretty darn close. Besides the underground pipes of this film, J-M also made Asbestos Underground Air Ductwork (pretty sim to these water pipes). And for decades asbestos was also used in ALL Auto Brake Pads, Pipe & Ductwork Insulation in buildings, Fire retardant Suits for Firemen, and as Spray-On Fireproofing for Steel Beams in Commercial Construction (World Trade Center, NYC). Note: I was in Commercial Const for 42 yrs and ran into Asbestos quite a lot. I liked it. The danger to it is over-blown, like w/ DDT.
@@Condor512 I worked at a gas station when drum brakes were common. The shoes were always "arced" on a grinding machine so they would fit the drum perfectly. Asbestos brake material was blown everywhere.
I started work in the UK 1962 at the age of 15. We had sheets of asbestos that we soaked in water to make soft balls which we used as heat sinks when making brazed joints. Being young we just threw the small balls at each other for fun or made small pellets which we blew through tubes as blowpipes. ....Little did we know then....
Asbestos is safe to be around once it's already inside the product, especially when wet. The issue with it is when it's loose dust that can fly around and get in your lungs. It was really only a problem for factory workers handling the raw material while dry. Nowadays, it's only a problem for anyone ripping out old installations.
We knew then. We just have fewer lawyers. :-)
@@izzycurer1260that's completely false information.
Asbestos even in small amounts that gets set free from normal wear kills thousands of people every year
How are you today? Did you get sick?
Too bad about asbestos. Good in so many ways. Very bad in one.
I've worked with polyester fiber enhanced cement and it is pretty amazing stuff and an excellent alternative.
My guess is that the asbestos was easy to replace (with polyester fiber) when its danger was found. Wonder if all this asbestos pipe needs to be pulled out and replaced.
@@michaelprice3785 I believe the heavy concrete bonds to the asbestos, keeping it from being a threat. The threat would exist to the guys in the factory handling the fibers or workers grinding the pipe into dust. Mind you I am not an asbestos expert.
Of course, we do not inhale plastic, but we consume a lot through packaging and all sorts of artificial additives there. Plastic is also carcinogenic, even more so than asbestos.
Back in the early 70 we use to cut panels of the stuff with a circular saw, no protection, it was what we did.
And you are still here! Awesome!!!
I think we all breathe a lot more of this crap than we even know.
Me too and Australia already knew it was dangerous stuff. My boss didn't care less.
I'm working with this pipe now. 1939 hydro plant. Electrical conduit.
RIP
wear a mask!
@@Grimpy970 read an interesting article several years ago, more people have died from banning asbestos than from its occupational exposure. It was such a good flame retardant.
Just be safe cuz those are very hazardous material I used to work for Duke Energy
@@zombiedreams3825 I've worked around it for 40 years too.
@@andyfeimsternfei8408 Do you have a URL for that report?
We still have this as one of 2 main water lines that feed our town an water tower- it was done with shovels an a bunch of guys for WPA during the depression- an one was my grandpa- I used to work for the city in the 90's an we took some old pieces that look an feel like cast iron to a junk yard an sold em - when they found out what it was they were really pissed lol- good times man
who was pissed and why?
@@manp1039 The Junk Yard (Scrap Dealers) thought they were getting and paying for cast iron when instead they got asbestos pipe with virtually no value at all.
Crazy how well AC has stood up over the decades since installation. I've got over 2 decades of working with AC and it still amazes me. I wonder if we couldn't manufacturer a similar pipe but with Hemp fibers instead and obtain similar quality results.
I installed miles and miles of this pipe in the 70’s in Massachusetts. I’m sure it’s held up well.
You're SURE???
William: I worked with it too, that was the most durable damn pipe ever made, and once it’s in the ground it’s completely safe… wet asbestos is not a hazard, only when it’s dry dust.
Asbestos always gets disturbed eventually. Then it dries out and gets all over everything. It is always hazardous.
I handled literally 100's of lbs of asbestos "shorts". Masons used to add hand fulls of it to their brick mortar. It acted as binder like fibreglass and made it more workable. Much smoother finish too after tooling.
This pipe is still in service! I’d like to see modern pipe last this long. Not suggesting we start using it again, but you have to admit it was a remarkable substance as far as durability and long life.
Ur joking right? this shit causes cancer
@@officialdropnation apparently you didn’t read my comment I said “Not suggesting we start using asbestos again” I’m only saying it was an amazing material and there is no modern replacement that’s as good as asbestos was.
There is still alot of materials used today that cause cancer. You just have to have a system to contain and separate it from people. From the Workers and the consumers. All the chemicals in the Tesla car batteries cause cancers. It's just contained and separated from the workers making them and the consumer using them.
Side note. All the material used in the disposable batteries in a Tesla car battery ( they are all disposable)are mined in a way just as or more harmful to the earth and miners then coal is. TESLA is a con. But that's the future.
From a materials science point of view, you can see how the use of the asbestos fibres allowed creation of a very strong pipe which doesn't suffer from corrosion. Yet, of course, many of those in the film have likely died of it...
Timely, beautiful. Ah, hindsight...
Thank you.
Good product. Johns-Manville was basically one of the patient zeros for asbestos litigation in the US. They literally suppressed all the litigation they went through starting at the end of the 1920's, just outright suppressing any information about the health effects of the substance, it's handling and implementation. Kept doing this well into the 70's. Meanwhile we've been litigating the fallout from asbestos for close to a century now. Edit: 32:50 Jesus Christ. It still escapes me how people thought that was a good idea...and people to this day will still argue it was a better time when we could essentially dump corrosive, outright lethal effluent right into...the pit out back. Cuz it was cheap!
What if there is no ground water to pollute ???
@@DynamicSeq they tried that with Nuclear Waste burying in the middle of one of the driest deserts in the usa. Then the nuclear waste ate through the drums. At first they said it would take 10,000 years to reach the Columbia River. The radiation has a life in excess of 100,000 years and the Columbia River could contaminate ecosystem in a matter of hours what would take 10,000 years. Its currently the most expensive superfund cleanup site on record that was supposed to take 20 years to cleanup & its been 30 years. Also the leak somehow found a way to travel 9,981 years because it was now 19 years away from the Columbia River. People dont realize the dirt below us also is moving. River sources & new Rivers are created every year & these rivers run deep underground as well as above ground. There is no such thing as an underground dry anything because we cant even map whats underground.
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What an amazing refined engineered piece of kit. The Steam "sintering", so to speak is genius. This stuff should be very stable and serviceable for many decades more. It would be pointless ripping it up if water quality is still good.
Autoclaving is pretty common with every concrete block you see in construction.
@@jimurrata6785 I think they are referring to one of the "few" good uses of asbestos. sadly as far as an insulation goes there is no equivalent. People can try to talk about poly or any of the others but they all fail at higher temps or ignite. What a stupid pain in the ass mineral.
@@yaboiii64 Unfortunately asbestos has been demonized much like nuclear power.
As a high temperature gasket or a friction lining for clutches and brakes it was the best material available.
It does have tremendous properties, but corporations (like Johns Manville) were driven by profits and tried to hide the health hazards they knew so much about.
Their mining operations did cripple and kill entire towns. And we may never have a solution for the tailing piles left behind
There wasn't much in the way of protections for workers until OSHA rolled around. Boiler makers, Shipyard workers and those who sprayed it on the steel skeletons of skyscrapers get a lot of attention but there was a tremendous amount of asbestos put into the gypsum products found in any house built until the '80's.
Today the absolute panic that arises when it is found is on a par with shutting an entire school because someone dropped a mercury thermometer in the lab.
Ironically, today the former Raybestos factory in Bridgeport CT is a Superfund site not because of asbestos but because of all the 111 trichloroethylene used to clean the brake shoes and pads.
Honestly, I think these pipes are best left in service.
@@yaboiii64 I was addressing the 'sintering is genius' thing.
Saying that steam curing of modular cement products was in widespread use long before it was applied to these pipe products.
@@jimurrata6785 Once the product is "in place" and undisturbed, it is perfectly safe. The danger is in airborne dust... from mining, the manufacturing process, installation and demolition.
I installed this tuff in the 60's. I was also in the Navy & our ship was covered in asbestos. It may kill me but it better hurry up, I'm 78.
No way. You made it this far.. you are good.
Steve Mcqueen wasnt as lucky. Do you smoke or did you smoke?
@@ondrejpavelka2179 Never smoked, foul habit! As a kid I went with my dad to the tavern almost every night. Got plenty of foul smelling 2nd hand smoke. I still remember how bad my shirt would smell when I got home.
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quick economic installation is #1 consideration...water quality is #6 ha ha!
When we were kids working with my dad we put miles of this shit in. But it was mostly used for waste pipe
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During the 1970s the contractors building the Washington Metro used a similar pipe for 750 Volts DC third rail conductor and ground return conduit duct banks.
As a plumber, I only recommend asbestos piping. Only the best for my customers.
Hey man, it’s only dangerous to you... the installer
😉 sarcasm 👍
@@srabjr1it's dangerous for anyone nearby.
It's also dangerous to drink any water out of it.
Also his comment was sarcasm
@@NinoJoel 😂
There are buildings and homes full of this stuff as underground duct, I know … I was working with it up until the mid 1980’s. Yep, great place for it.
We had a Johns-Manville factory in my hometown of Waukegan ,they made Transite pipe there. Many employees got sick and died. It was closed for good in 1996. It has since been torn down.
That guy reaming the end of these plpes brought all that home to his family. 😳
Most factory workers of that time period. Used to shower and change before they went home from work
@@davesanford4798 You are deluded. Most factory workers of the time did not wash their hands at lunch time, much less pack a change of clothes in their lunch box. Even if they changed at work, the soiled clothing was taken home and washed with the baby diapers, the work boots were not left at work.
I knew a lady whos father was a mechanic who handled this stuff often. He brought it home on his clothes and she died a very painful death many years later from asbestos related lung issues.
Went on a school trip to the geology museum in London in the 60s . Was given a very interesting blue rock that came apart in fibres!
Crocidolite, the asbestiform variant of the mineral ribeckite. That stuff is the absolute WORST. Chrysotile (white asbestos) is pretty nearly harmless by comparison.
The worst part was it made the kids grow very large ugly teeth.
Man, I wanted to scream when I saw that poor man dump out that sack of asbestos!
Me too
That man died
In the 1990s I was a federally licensed AHERA asbestos abatement inspector. The legitimate health concerns about asbestos eventually became a hysteria. The truth is that asbestos as used in transite water pipe has never been shown to be a health risk. Asbestos must become airborne to pose a health risk. We could be using affordable, long lasting, transite pipe today if it weren't for the uninformed hysteria associated with any product containing asbestos.
I guess most asbestos products not used for wear items are pretty safe once installed
I'm fairly certain the plastic pipe they use today is less costly than this transited pipe.
The life of transite pipe is greatly affected by soil conditions.
My local water supply is still Transite pipe. It is at least 60 years old and trouble free. Some of it was replaced about 20 years ago with a larger plastic pipe and I had a good conversation with the project manager. He was assuring that Transite is a good pipe and explain the difference between friable and non-friable asbestos. Very enlightening.
I to have had extensive training in the asbestos abatement industry including being a trainer there are 2 problems with your comment no.1 Asbestos must become airborne to pose a health risk it is very true that airborne asbestos poses a serious health risk it is also true that anything we consume containing asbestos including water also poses a health risk mostly in the form of colorectal cancer no.2 how do you propose making cutting installing the pipe pretty sure there will be some airborne ACM while mining milling and mixing
@@V8Power5300: Well, in insulation it's stable and harmless . . . until the building it's in is demolished. Then it costs $$$$$$ for abatement with special costly procedures for removal.
Imagine thousands of miles of this pipe that is well beyond its design service life underground and needing replacement. I'm sure when it's torn up it's going to cost a fortune to remove and disposed of. Meanwhile our politicians are talkin about cow farts
It would be more dangerous to dig it up. It's the loose fibers in the air that cause harm.
Cow farts=politician's hot air.
It's left underground, not removed.
@@NotParticularlyAmused it's removed in Europe since the water gets contaminated with high amounts of fibers and causes cancer when drinking the water.
It also spreads fibers in your home after showers
I held my breath for this video!
The good thing about silicosis is that you can only get it once. What a relief.
The asbestos cement water pipes in my area have been replaced by PVC only a few years ago.The original pipes were from 1968.The cement pipes had to be replaced becuase of frequent breaks and leaks-esp when a new small shopping center was built near my housing area.The old system was abandoned.Still in place.There were a few breaks near my house and at my driveway.Several mornings when I came home from work on a mid shift was greeted by the water turned off and a backhoe digging up the broken area for repairs.No problems for the past few years with the PVC pipes.Time will tell!
PVC or HDPE? If PVC, I don't think that you got your money's worth.
It took 130 years but asbestos finally did to Johns-Manville what it did to the workers. They had to file bankruptcy in 1983. Somehow they came through the bankruptcy having to set up a $2.5 billion relief fund for their former workers. And today, they have dropped the hyphen in the name and are owned by Berkshire Hathaway, back bigger than ever . . .
That's very interesting now that we know that Berkshire Hathaway is one of the larger names in real estate holdings hence landlords.
This was so much more interesting to me than I feel like it should have been 💯🤙
asbestos still has its uses, but we (hopefully) learned so much on where it is and isn't viable to be used in
Thx, periscope.
records like this are SO important! Showing how for over 25 years they said how great it was while those guys in the factory died of it's cancer... Reminds you to not take the word of governments or corporations when there is a crossroad of your health and their profits since those at the top all knew the danger even before this video was produced.
I'm not saying there aren't safe or good uses of the "A" word but hey if we protect our guys in the factory who make it then we might scare the public and sell less....🤔🤐😏
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Manufacturers of all types of asbestos related products must've thought this was a wonderful material, solving all their weight, strength and longevity requirements for half a century or so.
During my childhood, we used to live not far from a building materials refuse dump, in which tons of asbestos fibre cement sheets were disposed of. We played there frequently, and found that pieces of this would explode in a most delightful way when tossed onto the fires that burned there.
At the age of 76 I can generally breathe okay, but laughing gives me an asthma-like wheezy coughing fit, no doubt aided by the asbestos (and later, fibregass) particles snuggling in my lungs for most of my life.
The Mt Lawley rubbish dump, Perth, Western Australia, right next to the Mt Lawley Golf Club where we lived in the club house; my parents were the resident Caterers in those enlightened times, before asbestos was a known carcinogen (to the general public). We used DDT to keep the insects away too, and Shelltox Pest Strips (containing Dichlorvos) were popular then. All banned now. I still walk 1.5 Kms around my village every morning, so hope to get to 80+ yrs.
My father was in the US Navy in the late 60s and he told me that there was an asbestos insulated pipe that ran over his rack (bunk) that was constantly coming apart and leaving fluffy crap all over his blanket. He's got mild to moderate COPD today, probably a result of breathing/sleeping in that crap for 4 years.
If you stumble across a time machine, bring a quarter roll of masking tape with you, and tell your grandpa to wrap his pipe.
This asbestos stuff sounds great
Makes drinking water taste great.
Asbestos at its bestos...
Asbestos was a great mineral with excellent qualities except the obvious one. It is still used today and is not banned and made a comeback in 2018. These pipes have increases in intestinal polyps, cancer. Certain applications where human ingestion is not likely it still has it's place and performs well at high temps.
As in az.
Six inch pipe needed 3 ft of cover
12 and 16 inch needed 5 ft of cover very hot in the desert under asphalt
What a wonderful pipe. Obviously the asbestos fibres only serve to strengthen the pipe and since the pipes are free of tuberculation, you can see the asbestose doesn't protrude into the water passage. It is similar to fiberglass on a Corvette, you don't see the fibers sticking out, they are buried in the cement, and safely kept away from the water supply.
They are proven to leak large amounts of fibres into the water.
They are banned in all of Europe and are legally required to be replaced
5:52 nice dust mask. you just know they probably made that out of asbestos as well
I was trained to cut and mill the ends of this for installation in the 70's ..Thats not good .There are 100's of miles of this under all the Army Bases in Canada .Even the shutdown and converted ones .
composites aren't as dangerous as the loose fibers- until you start grinding them and making dust
so bad that it makes you stick random apostrophes in what you write?
@@alistair1978utube A random apostrophe _hither and thither_ is no great crime in my opinion. However, the failure to signify the start of a sentence by the common courtesy of an uppercase letter - well, that's quite another level of debauchery altogether. . .
@@BrassLock Touché
@@5eZathat's wrong.
Asbestos pipes leak asbestos fibres into the water which spreads in your home when you shower.
It also causes cancer when drinking the water
Amazed that a slip fit o ring coupler can hold the pressure on a water main
The way the O-ring sits in the coupler tightens the seal as pressure increases.
Thrust blocks. The pipe can't come undone if each end is blocked. Cement lined water main piping is done in a similiar fashion.
Under the Safe Drinking Water Act, asbestos is limited to 7 million fibers per liter (MFL) of water. There are several notable cases of AC pipe failure and potential health issues from the detection of high levels of asbestos in the drinking water.
That sounds like a lot considering the size of the fibers at the beginning of the film.
Are you sure it’s not 7 per liter? LOL, 7 million is A LOT, and doesn’t sound right at all...
@@Barabel22 A lot of what the government tells you doesn't sound right at all. Especially with this administration.
@@Barabel22it's crazy but it's true
Of course the engineer are going to find those pieces in good working condition. They work for the same dam company.
Its dangers were somewhat already well known of over 100 years ago (as was lead paint with pediatricians leading a movement to outlaw that in the 1920's) with asbestos mine workers.
Hey, Neat!! Dry mixing. Breath deeply. It's all good. It's all natural. This asbestos stuff: can it be used in apple pie crust? It might yield a thinner stronger crust while using less flour. And, did I forget to mention, it's all natural. Perhaps for pizza also. Hey, flip that in the air a few more times. And be sure to dust that crust with more of that asbestos. Ya can't get too much of that. And, remember the best part, it's all natural. I'll bet it could be mixed well with sand for the little kids' sand box. And throw some into the dryer for fluffier sheets and pillow cases. Why, I'm sure you and your family will find a million uses for asbestos. So, be sure to pick up a sack or two next time you're shopping. You'll find it in the baking supplies isle. And be sure to look for the cheery Johns Manville label. That way you're assured of giving your family the litest, fluffiest asbestos! Well, see you at the store!
Good sarcasm! Applies to many things.🙂
@josephboxmeyer5730 . . . you have a remarkable writing talent, comparable to what I've seen/heard/read when it comes to advertising copy over the years . . . and this is serious, no sarcasm intended.
That's some good pipe!
Hey why don't you go take a break I'll fill the asbestos hopper up while you go to the bathroom. Thanks Joe can't wait to see if this pipes around in 100 years even though we won't be
Okay Boomer
@@oxidizedbrilliance7852 Welcome to UA-cam after 15 years
no look agean thay had basic masks on and we all know a mask makes you immune from all air born anything....
Cool video! I never knew I wanted a ring-tite coupling until today!
Check the adult section ads for home demonstrations.
//Beavis and Butt-Head//
"what is asbestos?!?!?"
"uh, some sorta health food..."
Uh Uhhh uh ass Best us uhhhh You Say ass Best Beavis...
@@eduardoARsanchez1266 lol.
@@eduardoARsanchez1266 Good one Eduardo
It sucks that it took so long for people to realize how bad asbestos is for you. I’m sitting here watching him pull apart raw asbestos and I’m yelling to the guy to put a respirator on!
You must be a fellow safety pro.... I felt the same feeling!
i was doing that when i was a kid. our grade school had a field trip to the science center. i bought a piece of asbestos in a clear little box as a souvenir. the box was only about 1 1/2 inch square . it was hinged and i would sometimes play with the asbestos pulling it apart. this is early 1970's
Good to see how the Bain of my existence was made
Hey Kids! Don’t forget to start your day with Asbestos Puffs! Part of a well balanced breakfast. 😂
Love that asbestos!
I can just hear the ads: "I am a non-attorney spokesman!"
I remember as a kid seeing pipes and panels on buildings everywhere
Great stuff, no wonder it was used in cigarette filters back in the day.
24:34- the Eureka, Tehachapi, and Arvin, California earthquakes occured in July 1952.
Asbestos was know to be hazardous to health since the 1920's. Greed has no limits.
Fact, a hate those articles that say "it took so long for us to figure out the health effects of asbestos", when in reality we knew it, not even since the 20's, since the 1890's. Do some research if you are curious
@@krotacios9812 well i know for a fact they had undeniable medical proof since 1930s. But where money got involved asbestos factory goes BRRRRRRRRRR untill early 2000s here in europe.
I worked with ac pipe in the 80s in az
Clean, pure water. Just don't ask about the pipe....
No one gets out of this life alive, but, wonder how many at the asbestos plant went on to old age...interesting that the gentleman was wearing a mask in the 50's
Asbestos Drinking-Water pipes. What could possibly go wrong ?
..and silica for added death ☠️
safer than lead pipes and lead pipes are pretty safe as long as proper water ph is maintained
I've dug up transite pipe and it looked brand new
Could even still read what was stamped on the outside
There’s still some of it in service here where I live. Old transite lines, but they are few and far between
Alright fine .. Jeez .. You sold me. I’ll take a hundred miles of Transite piping!
Yes everyone needs a tight joint now and then.
A neighboring town has miles of this stuff used for water mains. They suffer from continuous water main breaks.
How old are these pipes?
Phoenix Arizona still uses asbestos cement pipe for water mains. It’s not manufactured in the USA anymore, so they have to import it
To all the people bitching about Asbestos as a hazard: in 60 years there will be a whole bunch of hazards we think are safe today, its called progress. Get over it.
You exist in a point in time that is not the ultimate or even the penultimate.
still in use today after 40 years of service.
Asbestos pipe wrapped pvc.
Perfect water pipe.
My guess is those sealing o rings do not last forever. Loved the guy said that you can use manpower rather than heavy equipment. These days, employees are expensive and automation is being used to minimize the number of employees!
Mmmmmm......asbestos fibers. The smell of victory.
Smart thinking testing water pressure up to triple what is standard at that time. Future population growth calls for more water. Water pressure at source must be turned up to accommodate the necessary pressure at the spaghetti
Make mine asbestos! Asbestos for war! Asbestos for the home front. Asbestos for breakfast, too!
Finally a pro-transite video!
Do we need to comment on the asbestos mill and how those fibers were just floating around all willy-nilly? Someone go back in time and tell that dude to take his mask really seriously
I want to see the list of ingredients in that "totally safe to use with water" grease used to connect asbestos/silica drinking water pipes 🤨
Long life, thats the pipe, not the people using it.
Ahhh, The menacing miracle mineral
All that grinding and milling had to create a lot of asbestos dust. Most of the workers were breathing it in.😮
Awesome! Asbestos flavored water.
Not really too bad for the end user as it quickly gets lined with minerals although it does stay pretty smooth.I used to work with it a little bit but we knew what precautions to take.Keep it wet and no power tools.
@@StreetGang2017
How do the rubber o-rings on the Transite pipe joints look after 75 years in service?
@@gregorymalchuk272 Well I never actually seen a joint failure.Usually the pipe fails due to blowouts of the pipe itself mostly at the corporation.When this fails it fails big and it`s a real mess.
Also tree roots will damage the pipe badly
@@StreetGang2017 So joints = good , corporations = bad ?
No protection if pipes burst during pressure tests! @11:00
A nightmare cocktail of materials and the workers never knew! What could you add to asbestos to make it worse? Ah yes silica! The water company I work for still had a lot of AC water mains including some really large diameter ones that are slowly being replaced because they now burst so regularly. The AC has started to go soft and spongey from age and often we find it’s turned oval shape making it impossible to install a repair clamp.
There's 1000s of miles of old AC pipe in the UK. Very brittle
All the men died early. Well worth the cost . Great company. Great country
Asbestos, you mentioned a safe and clean way for water purity 😂
I can’t help but wonder how PVC stacks up to this stuff. It seems like it would be lighter, easier to make,
more flexible and as long life does anything out there.
If seen some old broken pipes like this. The material is strong kind of like plastic, but it degrades and probably leaches asbestos fibers into the water. Unfortunately I live in a city with lots of old pipes. Who knows what effect it can have on the stomach but anything that pierces the lining isn't good for the health. Stomach lining protects your nerves from damage. Damage which has been linked to neurodegeneration which can spread from stomach to brain via the nervous system.
Well now i know why the cement here is impossible to drill. And people are dropping dead like crazy
Originally released in 1953.
YIKES!
All that asbestos...scary
I wonder what the mortality rate was at this factory .
the mortality rate for every living thing is 100%
I picture a bunch of people smoking cigarettes and doing multiple asbestos-tearing takes, to make sure they got it wafting into the air on film. Those were the days?
If only!