It suddenly works then because he'd just killed Eddie. In that moment, they stop fearing him. They *hate* him. And with the loss of their fear, he starves.
Pennywise: We have all sorts of future movies and theories down here. Film Theory Fanbase: **They jump in all at once, sealing the gap. Until the cops come and something is done about the weird clown that is presumed to be a child murderer and pedophile.**
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the King universe is pretty much "certain places attract powerful positive and negative energies" - I think it says as much pretty explicitly in the book where the character goes back in time to save JFK, in which it has a little reference to the events of the book IT. Edit for clarification: Essentially, yes, pennywise is a manifestation of these negative energies in much the same way as the hotel is!
If only it went full ham on being a sequel to the book instead of a half and half with the ending being nothing but fan service. Good none the less though.
@@lswan6389 are you saying Doctor Sleep isn't a sequel? Because the main character is the kid from the Shining. Like thats the main conflict, is his return to the hotel.
“You big ol bitch ass hoe ass big ass eighthead no hairline havin ass did ya makeup in the dark on a bumpy train ride in the face ass dirty stanky ass hot breath ass boo boo the fool in the face ass nyyuuuuguhhhh THEFUCK you thought you was doing?” Pennywise: (is crying) Pennywise : (leaves cause he know he bout ta catch hands)*
I can add on to this theory- In the novels for bo It and The Shining, it mentions that Henry was also abused by his father, and Jack was as well. I think that they also had the ability to shine, but due to their weaker minds, It was able to use them as minions.
MatPat truly scared me with how he sounded. Now I know he can do acting in horror! Theorist, announcer, Researcher, Scientist... So any Voice acting or Audiobooks?
They ARE tied together. In the Dark Tower series, the antagonist's goal is to destroy The Tower that connects the multiple universes together and rule over the resulting chaos.
I don't think it's the Dark Tower or let me rephrase I don't think it's just the Dark Tower I think the Derry Maine connection has to be made before all of the stories AR brought together
The strongest evidence for this theory to me personally is that the early chapter describing Stan's life after Derry clearly indicates that he has some sort of psychic ability. It's mostly seen through the perspective of his wife, but she observes him do several gut instinct decisions without being able to explain them to anyone really, that turn out to be huge successes. That also helps explain why they are all so successful as adults, they all probably have this shining instinct to guide them if they just believe in themselves.
Could this also connect carrie as the only shiner that turns evil? Cause she is abused and has telekinetic powers, even though the shine is telepathic powers. Maybe the evil shine takes a more PHYSICAL approach of mental powers.
Yes actually, in "The Dark Tower" it confirms that Carrie is Shinning but its thrown out of control due to the amount of mental strain put on her by almost everyone around her
How scary is it that MatPat uses the example of Bill being Professor X, played by James Macavoy, and now in the new IT movie, James Macavoy plays the older version of Bill But hey, that's just a theory...
Isn't it ironic how these kids supposedly have telepathic powers... And in the cast for IT: Chapter Two James McAvoy... Literally Professor X... is playing Bill...
@@ghoulishgam3r508 It's ironic if McAvoy was hired for his acting talent and not the fact he played a crippled psychic and will be portraying another psychic character.
@@ghoulishgam3r508 Have you ever heard of dramatic irony? It's a literary technique demonstrated by expressing a scenario in such a way that the audience is made aware of it but the characters are left none the wiser, often to comedic effect as a result of some form of tonal dissonance creating a contradiction of expectation; Red Riding Hood going to see her grandmother after the audience has been told that the wolf has already eaten her and is lying in ambush for the young girl would be an example of dramatic irony, as would be the concept of a character jinxing themselves by speaking a negative outcome aloud, only for it to become reality shortly thereafter. The application of this literary concept to real life has lead to coincidence being associated with irony for _hundreds of years_ as the concept of hindsight or a more knowledgeable party takes the role usually played by the limited omniscient audience of a story, thus bypassing the usual technical restriction on what constitutes irony. Case in point, one definition of irony is "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result." In this case, if someone did not associate McAvoy with his role as Professor X, then the resulting revelation that he is playing another psychic character in It would constitute as irony. So what were you saying about looking up how the definitions of irony and coincidence do not intersect like a graph?
Its Feb 2024 and ever since MatPat announced his retirement, I've been binge watching all old episodes especially the ones that still use the into theme song. We will miss you MatPat!
I almost made a sarcastic, sorta rude joke here about misspelling his name, but that seemed unnecessary - it could very well have been an autocorrect mishap or just an honest misremembering, and no one really deserves being roasted over that. So just to let you know, his name is Stephen King.
I was waiting for someone to point this out, in the story the shining is very much used and the idea of going to different worlds using the shine just supports this theory even more.
The Turtle barfed out the universe, (I'm pretty sure) so it makes sense that it can defeat a being such as Pennywise. The Turtle is extremely large as well, but that doesn't really matter since It can shapeshift. Also, is anyone mad that MatPat didn't talk about The Dark Tower once?
This is one my favorite theories out there! I actually recall reading a theory along these lines a long time ago, but it just really connects things and makes a good deal of sense
Mocha Tapioca if everyone is saying you’ll float too, than who is floating first? I say this because I haven’t watched the movies nor read any of the books...is that a bad thing? Also to be funny, that’s another reason.
"Oh, we all theorize down here. Yes, we do! And when you're down here. You'll theorize too!" I'm sorry, my brain is too dumb to even think of something intelligent.
Pennywise being involved with Carrie actually doesn’t make sense since, according to this theory, Carrie was most certainly abused, which means she has the shine
If you read the dark tower series by stephen king it basically confirms this theory and the point about carrie having the shine. Hers just got out of control due to her circumstances.
@@munozperez2202 Or he could be another form of IT himself given that he seems to be a bigger threat when the kids are trying to fight against it, and that he draws fear from them.
With all this in mind, it seems plausible that Carrie also has the shining, the strongest shine seen so far in the Stephen King connected universe. Let's go over the evidence: Shining = telepathy with a cooler name Carrie has telepathic abilities MatPat pointed out that all characters with the shining (Danny, Halloran, the losers club) suffered abuse as a kid. Carrie absolutely fits this standard. The shining varies in strength from person to person. It seems possible that after a certain point, the power goes past telepathic abilities and extends to telekinesis, if it's strong enough. Stephen King probably didn't forget about Carrie when he came up with the idea of the shining
IT CHAPTER 2 SPOILERS AHEAD! There is more proof in It chapter 2 to support this theory. In the scene where Beverley is stuck in a bathroom stall with people attempting to break down the door, Henry bowers says “here’s Johnny”. This is the connection you’ve been looking for. Your welcome.
I find it amazing that Mat used the picture of Charles Xavier (played by James McAvoy) to represent Bill in the future when James McAvoy actually plays Bill in It chapter II.
You know, it has been definitely confirmed that like, 99% of Stephen King's books have been tied to the Dark Tower. In fact, IT is actually one of the demons that watches over the Tower. Pennywise the Dancing Clown isn't even his true form, just another shapeshift.
Your theory about IT potentially being the evil in all Stephen King novels makes sense, except for Cujo. Cujo was rabid. Maybe Pennywise was the bat that bit him? Oh, and the Pet Sematary was cursed by the Wendigo. It is not a shapeshifter.
Most people overlook the fact that Richie had a key part in killing IT. They say it was all Bill, completely forgetting that Richie saved his life. I think Bill and Richie have some kind of power that is stronger than the others, especially Bill, since they were the ones that defeated IT. They were the ones that could travel into the macroverse and participate in the Ritual of Chüd.
Penny is actually just a straight up grumpy toddler he’s constantly saying “play with me” “no one wants to play with me” he bites peeps lik most little kids do and he just cries wen they make fun of him
"I'm MatPat, the UA-cam clown, and we've got a whole circus down here..." That is actually a very accurate interpretation of The film Theorists AND The Game Theorists.
Not a bad theory and there's certainly merit to the connections that you made, but you kinda ignore the part where It makes it clear that the more terrified the victim, the better the meal the victim provides. It feeds primarily off of fear, the physical body is just desert. The entire story is about facing one's fears and overcoming them, that's why It is powerless when the group shows no fear when confronting It.
That's a good point, but Ben, and Eddie both encounter IT on their own, in the books too, and they get away and they're definitely afraid. I like the Shine idea.
It's downfall is that it likes playing with his food too much. It could have easily offed the kids one by one on each time one of them encounters It, but that wouldn't provide him with much of a meal. So he teases and terrifies them, getting little tastes of their fear before he goes in for the kill. It's a bit of a cat'n'mouse game. Like I said, the Shine theory certainly does have it's merits so I wasn't trying to shoot it out of the sky...but again: It actually does specify that it prefers its meals as terrified as possible. If the kids are all a bunch of Shiners, I'd imagine an extradimensional being such as It would be clued into this...or at the very least know that there's "something" preventing him from killing them. Considering his a predator, he'd move on to other prey if there was some cosmological force that prevented him killing the kids. Quite simply: It dragged the game out for too long, allowing the fear to become anger which fueled the courage of the kids. They were no longer afraid of It, but rather pissed off and out for vengeance. This change happens when they realize that Its primary goal was to scare them, because their fear was what gave It strength. Get rid of that fear and you get rid of Its power.
Not being afraid wouldn't give the kids the ability to psychically communicate or send power to Mike. After all it isn't untill the very end of the movie where they learn not being afraid helps, all the other time were *seemingly* luck
Pennywise: hey there kiddo want a balloon me: nope Pennywise: theres a circus here me: no thanks Pannywise: Theres free wifi and memes Me: are they dank? penny: yes Me: -JUMP IN -
5:38 I find it funny how half the stuff in this theory doesn’t happen yet Matt somehow predicts James McAvoy as Bill in a joke about Bill being professor Xavier
5:37 Look back at this video, it ironic that Matt pick that picture because that is the actor who will play bill in It Chapter. WAIT MATT CAN TELL YHE FUTURE, HE KNEW ALL ALONG!
Penguin Fox oh my god i did not know that.................AHH!!!!! The actor who played young Charles Xavier will play Bill in IT chapter 2=AHH!!!!!!YES!!!
Uh, maybe something about Henry not ever interacting with someone using his shine, and therefore he was untrained in the shine for so long that he just lost it? Or he was unlucky and it just never manifested? Or maybe Pennywise, through his possesion/deception/mind control, made the shine feel like Henry was not a good host, and therefore left? I don't fucking know dude, i haven't read a stephen king novel or seen a stephen king movie ever.
@@phieillydinyia Oh yeah huh, those both kind of make sense, I guess. Also cause, his only parental figure was less than stellar, and a man who's approval he always wanted, and he taught him all the wrong ways to go through life. I'm guessing IT also feeds on feelings like hate or anger too, and uses those to manipulate too.
I think he did. Remember, it was Pennywise who drove him insane. He could see the clown. He saw the visions and heard the voices just like the Losers Club, even when Belch and Victor couldn't. His shine clearly wasn't as strong as the Losers' (possibly due to a lack of empathy?) but there clearly was some there. Edit because I finished the book and some of what I said before was wrong.
the stephen king universe is all tied together...the shining...cujo...salem's lot ..carrie...haven....the shining...it....the new tv series castle rock....the langoliers...the tommyknockers....etc.....all part of a bigger plan...read the dark tower series....
@@ghoulishgam3r508 Writing himself into the books is part of it. Several times throughout that series our world, as in the one you exist in, is shown to be the Keystone or prime world. Much like the Wizard Glass Black 13 being stored in the basement of the Trade towers. While the other worlds are mutable and not entirely chronological our world is. What happens in our world can't be changed. It's why the Rose is so important, it's the physical manifestation of the tower in our world. But I get off track, the section that King wrote himself into is short and is meant to draw that connection very strongly..
With regards to how it's possible all members of the losers club have the shining; it was actually mentioned in the book that the space turtle has been actually subtly directing each kid towards each other for their entire lives so that they would come together. So it's less of an "Oh, what are the odds all friends have psychic powers", and moreso that they were drawn together by the actions of a turtle god.
i like matpat and all but if a clown starts talking to me from from a sewer il run the other way as fast as i can so fast that il leave a cartoon smoke shape of myself behind
5:37You know whats funny, the grown up character for Bill is James McAvoy lol. Get it? Psychic battle? (If u dont know who James is he the one who plays as Charles Xavier in the X-men movies)
So? He scares them plenty. The leper offering to blow Eddie for a quarter? Scared the shit out of him. The werewolf? Richie and Bill hugged each other and cried on a public street after that happened. As boys. In 1958. Boys don't do that in 1958. (In fact Bill cries over George in front of Richie. Richie glances around before putting an arm around Bill, and Bill makes Richie swear not to tell that he cried. That should give you an idea of how much you don't do that in 1958). Stan refused to even talk about his encounter with the dancing clown. He scared them enough, but he never did get around to eating them, did he? And we see him kill Eddie Corcoran. He pulls out the kid's dead brother and one monster, then bites his head off. That's it.
@@d.lan3y It doesn't get the kids because every time he tries they end up helping each other. They talk about that in the book, something about their teamwork thwarts him
@@BaldingClamydia Beverly, Eddie, Bill, Mike, and Stan were all alone when they first encountered It and it didn't kill them. Going back to the Eddie Corcoran scene in the book (as a reference for its style when not dealing with the Losers Club), It scares him for a second but cuts to the chase pretty fast. It should have gotten at least one of them.
I like how they literally just started roasting the living sh*t out of him and it works
Lol
It suddenly works then because he'd just killed Eddie. In that moment, they stop fearing him. They *hate* him. And with the loss of their fear, he starves.
I’d really like to see how long he’d last in the hood or a COD lobby
@@SpiritxEnigma about 3 seconds max
It’s because of the ritual and the last token was eddie so when he killed him the last token was destroyed properly
Pennywise: join me mattpatt
MattPatt: nah I'm good
Pennywise: I have diet coke
MattPatt: *jumps in*
12:49
Pennywise: I have a Doctor Who part three theory down here
Entire Film Theory fanbase: *dives in and is never seen again*
Sakura-chan The missing piece.
Pennywise: We have all sorts of future movies and theories down here.
Film Theory Fanbase: **They jump in all at once, sealing the gap. Until the cops come and something is done about the weird clown that is presumed to be a child murderer and pedophile.**
Ethan Davide ya, sounds like him
Ethan Davide Hahahahahhha
I just LOVE the fact that after Pennywise takes a bit out of the arm, he awkwardly waves.
0:34
😆
Hehehe
Wait, wait, wait, doesn't this mean that Carrie's telekinesis is her starting to shine?
Confirmed in The Dark Tower series.
So cool!
I've seen this theory before. Seems to hold up.
It’s incredible about how Stephen kings universe is all connected
Holy crap, Stephen King is on to something
5:36 Wait... Did Matt Pat just *accidentally* predict IT chapter II:s casting? xD
Holy shit HAHAHHAHAHA
His editor did, but yeah pretty insane
F.B.I Owo
Wowww
Omg idk
Imagine if they made a Stephen king crossover movie between "the Shinning" and "It"
Coming soon to a theater near you, it's "The Shitting"
This made me laugh harder than I thought it would make me.
steve smith, that's. Hilarious.
I don't usually laugh at comments until I saw this one.
👏. 👏. 👏.
Thanks!
But stephen king doesn't make movies he writes books.
true, but I like to think that he helps in making them in a way
Penny wise : iron man didn't die down here
Me: *jumps in sewer at max speed*
Yess
Ft good name matpat
Do a video about avatar
U are so funny iwish i could hear you do funny jokes all day. Big titted dumb ass
Pennywise:And spider Man is still in the marvel universe.
Me: follows.
Still waiting on that shining theory about pennywise being the hotel haha.
Me too.
Is that what Pennywise does on his off years? Goes to Colorado for the winter.
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the King universe is pretty much "certain places attract powerful positive and negative energies" - I think it says as much pretty explicitly in the book where the character goes back in time to save JFK, in which it has a little reference to the events of the book IT.
Edit for clarification:
Essentially, yes, pennywise is a manifestation of these negative energies in much the same way as the hotel is!
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@@macias7125 it has Q in it there’s no way that’s not a rickroll
"Oh yeah, the Shining has a sequel"
In 2019: Coming to Theatres: Doctor Sleep
When you watch theories years after the release date
I have seen that movie after reading the book their both great 👍
If only it went full ham on being a sequel to the book instead of a half and half with the ending being nothing but fan service. Good none the less though.
It’s no not a sequel same world
@@lswan6389 are you saying Doctor Sleep isn't a sequel? Because the main character is the kid from the Shining. Like thats the main conflict, is his return to the hotel.
Pennywise's true greatest fear: being called mean names
My dads friend is like tf they bullied him when we watched the movie
(Spoiler)
Poor dude...got roasted to death
“You big ol bitch ass hoe ass big ass eighthead no hairline havin ass did ya makeup in the dark on a bumpy train ride in the face ass dirty stanky ass hot breath ass boo boo the fool in the face ass nyyuuuuguhhhh THEFUCK you thought you was doing?”
Pennywise: (is crying)
Pennywise : (leaves cause he know he bout ta catch hands)*
I was so mad that all they had to do
WAS VERBALLY ABUSE HIM
Is that a IT 2 refrence?
Pennywise: You'll float too
Me: Either you're saying I'm as thin and light as a feather or I'm as fat and big as hot air balloon.
A nice
I mean, I get the joke, but dead bodies float.
A what I feel
I agree
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I can add on to this theory-
In the novels for bo It and The Shining, it mentions that Henry was also abused by his father, and Jack was as well. I think that they also had the ability to shine, but due to their weaker minds, It was able to use them as minions.
It's funny that at 5:36 he uses Professor X as Bill and now James McAvoy has been cast as adult Bill in Part 2.
Ikr XD
NUNI
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Sophia Gruidl it Is
I was for thinking the same thing
MatPat will go crazy when he sees the HERE'S JOHNNY in Bev's bathroom scene omg I freaked out
I know it is crazy
That proved his theory right, all of the books and movies are connected by It
I thought it was just like an Easter egg or something 😂😂
Wait where
@@thegamingking3907 in IT part 2
You'll theorise too!
You''ll theorize too!
YOU'LL THEORISE TOOOOO!!!!!!!
*Me, Slides into sewer drain
Bread ON Toast64125 If you see a clown in a sewer drain, call 911, they may be stuck and might need help.
Gachalife Girl if you run Into a clown in the sewer you don't call 911 you jump in to see if anyone else got stuck
But theorizing is hard
I heard memes and puns,dat ClownPat soul is mine-
That part was actually kinda creepy😂
MatPat truly scared me with how he sounded. Now I know he can do acting in horror!
Theorist, announcer, Researcher, Scientist... So any Voice acting or Audiobooks?
MatPat being a adio book reader actually sounds like something like he'd do
Anyone realize that MatPat literally called himself “the UA-cam Clown”
That was funny I surprised u were the only one that is as that said something about that
he's the kings' jester, and the king be it youtube.
I'm still waiting for the theory that ties every story of Stephen King together.
I'LL WAIT FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES
It's called the dark tower
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They ARE tied together. In the Dark Tower series, the antagonist's goal is to destroy The Tower that connects the multiple universes together and rule over the resulting chaos.
I don't think it's the Dark Tower or let me rephrase I don't think it's just the Dark Tower I think the Derry Maine connection has to be made before all of the stories AR brought together
5:37
Anyone realise matpat predicted it 2's actor for Bill?
Actually, at the time of this video the actors were already kinda confirmed
Ikr
He also shines
He predicted the exact same actor who would play Bill in It Chapter 2
I KNOW WTF
The strongest evidence for this theory to me personally is that the early chapter describing Stan's life after Derry clearly indicates that he has some sort of psychic ability. It's mostly seen through the perspective of his wife, but she observes him do several gut instinct decisions without being able to explain them to anyone really, that turn out to be huge successes. That also helps explain why they are all so successful as adults, they all probably have this shining instinct to guide them if they just believe in themselves.
When I'm almost at the end of reading a serious novel that has really scared me: "Hello there son I'm the turtle"
"We've got a whole circus down here. With memes, and puns, and theories galore!"
*crawls down*
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FlowerPowerLPS WAIT FOR MEEEEEEEE *crawls in*
FlowerPowerLPS same lol
FlowerPowerLPS that's me
FlowerPowerLPS same
I love how he used James McAvoy for the telepathy when he’s playing Bill in part two. Maybe the studio took Mat’s Idea
The kids in It actually picked their adult counterparts, and the casting of the adult actors was released around the time It was in theaters.
Eskimo Gioia so you’re telling me the one kid wanted the old spice guy as their adult counterpart? Can’t blame him.
Could this also connect carrie as the only shiner that turns evil? Cause she is abused and has telekinetic powers, even though the shine is telepathic powers. Maybe the evil shine takes a more PHYSICAL approach of mental powers.
@BuckyRay true
Yes actually, in "The Dark Tower" it confirms that Carrie is Shinning but its thrown out of control due to the amount of mental strain put on her by almost everyone around her
Sherlock Holmes: I am the greatest detective ever.
MatPat: I put together the FNAF lore.
Sherlock Holmes: You are definitely smarter than me.
You mean consulting detective
And hello to you Vader or should I say.... ANAKIN SKYWALKER
@@Shojisnumber1fan It's really obvious
Lol true
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"You'll theorize too!"
I know this is late but could we put that on a hoodie??
Yesssssssssss
Please can we i would by it
oh my god that would be amazing
Yes i need one
In deed
I wonder if Matt Patt knew James McAvoy would be in the movie. Maybe Matt's the better psychic.
Noticed
3 years later:
I'm still waiting for that MEGA STEPHEN KING THEORY.
Maybe when chapter 3 comes out...
7:00 "But nobody came?"
I feel pretty detetmined to know why this has a different font.
TheLibermania undertale
i caught that too, seeing that font filled me with determination.
@@caylaweinberg2327 no shit
You know when Mike gets his power he should've played hopes and dreams
@@thesadinsomniac why did you say rip, its only around 999 years until delta rune chapter 2
How scary is it that MatPat uses the example of Bill being Professor X, played by James Macavoy, and now in the new IT movie, James Macavoy plays the older version of Bill
But hey, that's just a theory...
I was thinking that... coincidence? I think not
🤯🤯🤯
A FILM THEORY AND CUT!
I was just thinking that
*Every Day Matpat strays closer to God*
5:37 MATPAT CALLED THAT JAMES MCAVOY WILL PLAY BILL!
Theory Confirmed!
I know it's crazy
Actually his editor did
Good
5:37 wow you somehow even nailed the actors. Also this ritual of chud sounds like a conquerors haki clash for all the cultured out there
What do you call a running clown
Fit
Thatrandomguy lol lol lol 😂😂
I don't know tell me that random guy!
Thatrandomguy XD
What do you call a partying clown?
Lit
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Isn't it ironic how these kids supposedly have telepathic powers... And in the cast for IT: Chapter Two James McAvoy... Literally Professor X... is playing Bill...
No. Nothing about that is ironic by any definition.
That’s excellent. And probably not even deliberate.
@@ghoulishgam3r508 It's ironic if McAvoy was hired for his acting talent and not the fact he played a crippled psychic and will be portraying another psychic character.
@@Brutalyte616 you need to look up the definition of irony, bud. Coincidence doesn't equal irony.
@@ghoulishgam3r508 Have you ever heard of dramatic irony? It's a literary technique demonstrated by expressing a scenario in such a way that the audience is made aware of it but the characters are left none the wiser, often to comedic effect as a result of some form of tonal dissonance creating a contradiction of expectation; Red Riding Hood going to see her grandmother after the audience has been told that the wolf has already eaten her and is lying in ambush for the young girl would be an example of dramatic irony, as would be the concept of a character jinxing themselves by speaking a negative outcome aloud, only for it to become reality shortly thereafter.
The application of this literary concept to real life has lead to coincidence being associated with irony for _hundreds of years_ as the concept of hindsight or a more knowledgeable party takes the role usually played by the limited omniscient audience of a story, thus bypassing the usual technical restriction on what constitutes irony. Case in point, one definition of irony is "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result." In this case, if someone did not associate McAvoy with his role as Professor X, then the resulting revelation that he is playing another psychic character in It would constitute as irony.
So what were you saying about looking up how the definitions of irony and coincidence do not intersect like a graph?
Its Feb 2024 and ever since MatPat announced his retirement, I've been binge watching all old episodes especially the ones that still use the into theme song. We will miss you MatPat!
(Steven King closes his laptop)…."That Dude figured out my big twist!!!"
I almost made a sarcastic, sorta rude joke here about misspelling his name, but that seemed unnecessary - it could very well have been an autocorrect mishap or just an honest misremembering, and no one really deserves being roasted over that. So just to let you know, his name is Stephen King.
Stephen*
Stephen King*
Stephen**
No, no he didn't.
Penny:want a baloon?
Me:leaves
Penny:free wifi
Me:*jumps in*
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Me YEET
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@@icyhotbnhaepic2465
Go to hell
Bts is shit in my school every fucking girl is obsessed with it And holy fuck im done listening to that shit
@General Goldy It was rare in schools but in my country there was a wave of this shit and im fucking done
So I was in one of those unlucky schools
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The dark tower books (not the movie) actually take a lot of this deeper and are very much worth the read.
I was waiting for someone to point this out, in the story the shining is very much used and the idea of going to different worlds using the shine just supports this theory even more.
“I’m MatPat, the UA-cam Clown!”
He said it, not me.
Coolest.clown.ever.
Fuck off
Yep
Creepy
So, Richie is scared of Pennywise and Pennywise, a murderous being, is scared of a turtle. Wow.
Emmy in the Stephen king universe, the turtle is a celestial being that is stronger than it (for some reason)
@@JorgePerez-zh8io basically the turtle is the opposite of pennywise in a way that they were shown as the good and evil gods
Turtles are f*cking terrifying
The Turtle barfed out the universe, (I'm pretty sure) so it makes sense that it can defeat a being such as Pennywise. The Turtle is extremely large as well, but that doesn't really matter since It can shapeshift. Also, is anyone mad that MatPat didn't talk about The Dark Tower once?
Mat pat Clown: you’ll sub too
Me: I all ready have mat pat
Preston Taylor me too
We're all subbed down here..
Preston Taylor
Same.
Stop matpat is amazing. To be honest you may have a very different perspective on this but there is no need to say that
Same.
This is one my favorite theories out there! I actually recall reading a theory along these lines a long time ago, but it just really connects things and makes a good deal of sense
Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
If you meet Pennywise,
You'll all float too.
Mocha Tapioca if everyone is saying you’ll float too, than who is floating first? I say this because I haven’t watched the movies nor read any of the books...is that a bad thing? Also to be funny, that’s another reason.
Mocha Tapioca I'm probably faster the pennywise
Mocha Tapioca the plot is they survive
Mocha Tapioca. Ok now that was good
I have a gun
"Oh, we all theorize down here. Yes, we do!
And when you're down here. You'll theorize too!"
I'm sorry, my brain is too dumb to even think of something intelligent.
Moe Naomi don't worry your not the only one.
Same!!!
Moe Naomi its ok
It’s ok 👍
Pennywise being involved with Carrie actually doesn’t make sense since, according to this theory, Carrie was most certainly abused, which means she has the shine
If you read the dark tower series by stephen king it basically confirms this theory and the point about carrie having the shine. Hers just got out of control due to her circumstances.
@@lessaokkerse9047 Whenever I think of The Dark Tower, the only thing that comes to my mind is Barad-dûr.
@@octaviusroosevelt7355 I respect and like you for that
Wait wouldn't it mean that henry bowers would have the shinning because he was abused by his father
@@munozperez2202 Or he could be another form of IT himself given that he seems to be a bigger threat when the kids are trying to fight against it, and that he draws fear from them.
With all this in mind, it seems plausible that Carrie also has the shining, the strongest shine seen so far in the Stephen King connected universe. Let's go over the evidence:
Shining = telepathy with a cooler name
Carrie has telepathic abilities
MatPat pointed out that all characters with the shining (Danny, Halloran, the losers club) suffered abuse as a kid. Carrie absolutely fits this standard.
The shining varies in strength from person to person. It seems possible that after a certain point, the power goes past telepathic abilities and extends to telekinesis, if it's strong enough.
Stephen King probably didn't forget about Carrie when he came up with the idea of the shining
You’ll Theorize Too !
You’ll Theorize Too !
You’ll Theorize Too !
YOU’LL THEORIZE TOO
You'll fear our eyes too!
I know what he's actually saying, but I'd be lying if I said that I don't heard this as well.
No.
*Okay fine I will*
I will
IT CHAPTER 2 SPOILERS AHEAD!
There is more proof in It chapter 2 to support this theory. In the scene where Beverley is stuck in a bathroom stall with people attempting to break down the door, Henry bowers says “here’s Johnny”. This is the connection you’ve been looking for. Your welcome.
i was thinking the same thing when i heard it in theaters i was like matpat better make a vid where he says it confirms it
also richie is a closeted gay and is abused for it by henry
That sounds more like an Easter egg than a legitimate connection, but it still sounds promising
LOGIC I was going to say this
I think that's more of a reference than proof that they connect to The Shining
5:38 MATPAT KNEW WHO WOULD PLAY THE GROWN UP VERSION OF BILL!
Quantum Cell Squad AND YOU HAVE 69 likes
trello mik fi nice
It is because he played professor x in x men who was phycic
Actually the editor did
I find it amazing that Mat used the picture of Charles Xavier (played by James McAvoy) to represent Bill in the future when James McAvoy actually plays Bill in It chapter II.
You know, it has been definitely confirmed that like, 99% of Stephen King's books have been tied to the Dark Tower. In fact, IT is actually one of the demons that watches over the Tower. Pennywise the Dancing Clown isn't even his true form, just another shapeshift.
Sophia Renee
Thanks for writing this comment so I didn't have to. :)
We know that the clown is not IT's true form he only uses at form to more easily lure kids into traps
In other words the real Baddie is the one and only Randall Flagg
The dark tower also calls telepathic ability shining and he totally skipped over that.
*insert final form joke here*
Pennywise: The radio doesn't play despacito down here.
Me: jumps in.
DynamixBros Gaming but it plays Justin Bieber
PolishDude I'd rather listen to that washed-up wanker than Despasito.
Worth it.
DynamixBros Gaming despacito more like despaSHITo
I would jump in too
Your theory about IT potentially being the evil in all Stephen King novels makes sense, except for Cujo. Cujo was rabid. Maybe Pennywise was the bat that bit him? Oh, and the Pet Sematary was cursed by the Wendigo. It is not a shapeshifter.
But a shapeshifter could turn into anything which includes wendigos, it could have shapeshift into a wendigo
Considering that's not how wendigo's work in thier native lore, more likely to be the shape-shifting evil
So people get the shining from trauma, maybe places and animals can get shining from trauma too?
Me: has child hood trauma and gets DID.
Steven King characters: has childhood trauma and gets cool telepathic powers.
Me: son of a b-
Billy I love you
I love you too Georgie......But you’re not Georgie
*bang*
One of the greatest scenes in the movie
Genji _343 one of the greatest scenes in cinema
James McGuinness I’m glad you agree
Genji _343 Don’t agree pennywise should have showd up while Georgie lays dead on the ground
The way they left it for just long enough to have an “oh shit that was Georgie” moment is genius
Genji _343 Yes.
MATPAT:”WiTh MeMe AnD pUn AnD...”
ME: THAT SOUNDS LIKE MY KINDA PLACE!
i'd stay for the puns and cute pictures like the sloth in the zootopia theory
Madeline Daugherty I would love that If pennywise said that to me I would go fully inside in my free Will
"Plot Armour"
LOL!
That's the best description I've EVER heard !
:)
Mistah Bryan iiia
That is a very common phrase
albert einstein: im the smartest man alive
matpat: i understand fnaf
albert einstein: you're clearly superior
I will would listen to clown Pat... I would love a circus of memers and pun makers.... And theorizers, I would theorize too...
Amen brother
I'll theorize too
I'll theorize TOO
I'LL THEORIZE TOO
lol
Amen brother
gamer guy no
mat : we have memes and puns
me: PUNNNNNNS
and then i jump into the sewer
William Gowdy I have puns
*likes comment to 70 likes*
*Unlikes for 69*
Memes and puns and so the balance shifts
Punny wise
Careful there, it’s not good to commit *sewercide*
Who else is addicted to watching theories?
Skelewyvern me
Me Me Me Me Meeeee
The more important question: who isn’t?
Skelewyvern meee I have watched this theory about 5 times bc it makes sence and I love this theory too.
MEEeReEeEeeEeEe
Batman: Im the greatest detective
Sherlock Holmes: No i am
MatPat: Hold my diet coke
i think i can safely say
that matpat voicing pennywise haunts my every nightmare
Pennywise: you will float too
Godzilla: good luck with that
Tf does Godzilla have to do w any of this
Take Janner Imagination my friend, Imagination.
Nah y’all are just gay af
What does sexuality have to do with an imaginary fight between Godzilla and Pennywise?
10csysisol maybe Godzilla would penetrate Pennywise with his giant ancient lizard cock
Most people overlook the fact that Richie had a key part in killing IT. They say it was all Bill, completely forgetting that Richie saved his life. I think Bill and Richie have some kind of power that is stronger than the others, especially Bill, since they were the ones that defeated IT. They were the ones that could travel into the macroverse and participate in the Ritual of Chüd.
Penny is actually just a straight up grumpy toddler he’s constantly saying “play with me” “no one wants to play with me” he bites peeps lik most little kids do and he just cries wen they make fun of him
"I'm MatPat, the UA-cam clown, and we've got a whole circus down here..."
That is actually a very accurate interpretation of The film Theorists AND The Game Theorists.
...
And the internet in general
And pretty much anything and everything on the internet. Yes, even those Instagram cats you love.
And the circus has alot of clickbait!
Crash's Underwear know that’s all of youtube
Not a bad theory and there's certainly merit to the connections that you made, but you kinda ignore the part where It makes it clear that the more terrified the victim, the better the meal the victim provides. It feeds primarily off of fear, the physical body is just desert. The entire story is about facing one's fears and overcoming them, that's why It is powerless when the group shows no fear when confronting It.
IT was just a dumb predator who didn't know how to properly feed. Could have been having it's kicks out of any emotion if it were as smart as Dandelo.
That's a good point, but Ben, and Eddie both encounter IT on their own, in the books too, and they get away and they're definitely afraid. I like the Shine idea.
It's downfall is that it likes playing with his food too much. It could have easily offed the kids one by one on each time one of them encounters It, but that wouldn't provide him with much of a meal. So he teases and terrifies them, getting little tastes of their fear before he goes in for the kill. It's a bit of a cat'n'mouse game.
Like I said, the Shine theory certainly does have it's merits so I wasn't trying to shoot it out of the sky...but again: It actually does specify that it prefers its meals as terrified as possible. If the kids are all a bunch of Shiners, I'd imagine an extradimensional being such as It would be clued into this...or at the very least know that there's "something" preventing him from killing them. Considering his a predator, he'd move on to other prey if there was some cosmological force that prevented him killing the kids.
Quite simply: It dragged the game out for too long, allowing the fear to become anger which fueled the courage of the kids. They were no longer afraid of It, but rather pissed off and out for vengeance. This change happens when they realize that Its primary goal was to scare them, because their fear was what gave It strength. Get rid of that fear and you get rid of Its power.
Fair point, well said.
Not being afraid wouldn't give the kids the ability to psychically communicate or send power to Mike. After all it isn't untill the very end of the movie where they learn not being afraid helps, all the other time were *seemingly* luck
Pennywise: hey there kiddo want a balloon
me: nope
Pennywise: theres a circus here
me: no thanks
Pannywise: Theres free wifi and memes
Me: are they dank?
penny: yes
Me: -JUMP IN -
Aya Paints,Animate,Gaming 2.0 relatable
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Aya Paints,Animate,Gaming 2.0
Pennywise
5:38 I find it funny how half the stuff in this theory doesn’t happen yet Matt somehow predicts James McAvoy as Bill in a joke about Bill being professor Xavier
I swear if the beginning of this video was a movie, I'd definitely watch it
Giggles 76 I can relate
Totally
Giggles 76 me too
Giggles 76 same
same here XD
You'll Trend too, you'll TREND TOO, YOU'LL TREND TOO
hahahahaha
SansIsVladimir beautiful
Lol
Penny wise: Want a balloon?
Me: No thanks but my cousin might want one
Penny wise: Ok great
Lol
Azeeza Rahim
Who gives a shit
Fixed it so chill guys
i love how when the crab from mawana was singing shinny the subtitles said "OH YEAH THATS MY JAM(lmao, agreed) i love yt subtitles
It had it all...
There’s a pun there somewhere.
I hate you
IT
Teach me the way senpai! ;-;
Is it it or it
Pennywises greatest fear: I Like Turtles meme
lol
Me: I like turtles
Pennywise: GET AWAY FROM ME YOU DISGUSTING CHILD-
The funny part is my favorite pet is a turtle so you loooool
Lol
My favorite animal is Great A'Tuin
5:37
Look back at this video, it ironic that Matt pick that picture because that is the actor who will play bill in It Chapter.
WAIT MATT CAN TELL YHE FUTURE, HE KNEW ALL ALONG!
Penguin Fox oh my god i did not know that.................AHH!!!!! The actor who played young Charles Xavier will play Bill in IT chapter 2=AHH!!!!!!YES!!!
Skaarsgard plays Pennywise, Macavoy will be playing adult Bill
When he said, “You’ll theorize too!” I understood, “You’ll ‘fear us’ too!”.
Yeah, I know. Pennywise’s fear is a turtle
Giant ancient turtle from the start of the universe, seen in the Dark Tower.
So yeah.
All turtles.
3.14 Dragon don't be dumb, he wasn't afraid of the turtle. In fact, the turtle died.
is it me or did the turtle create the universe
That fuckin turtle. Probably the weirdest shit I’ve ever read.
Go away
you scare me
The hell was that ending.... why is no one saying anything about BATTERY ACID AND IT'LL MELT YOUR FACE OFF!
lmaofelix no, he says "this is battery acid you slime!" And in the adult portion he says "this is battery acid! Now you disappear!"
This is battery acid you slime and it'll melt your face off
lmaofelix no problem.
Princess TNT nmmk
Hey I've got a question that only just occurred to me now. Henry Bowers was abused by his father, why didn't he shine too?
Uh, maybe something about Henry not ever interacting with someone using his shine, and therefore he was untrained in the shine for so long that he just lost it? Or he was unlucky and it just never manifested? Or maybe Pennywise, through his possesion/deception/mind control, made the shine feel like Henry was not a good host, and therefore left? I don't fucking know dude, i haven't read a stephen king novel or seen a stephen king movie ever.
maybe he did, Pennywise never killed him,
@@phieillydinyia Oh yeah huh, those both kind of make sense, I guess. Also cause, his only parental figure was less than stellar, and a man who's approval he always wanted, and he taught him all the wrong ways to go through life. I'm guessing IT also feeds on feelings like hate or anger too, and uses those to manipulate too.
I think he did. Remember, it was Pennywise who drove him insane. He could see the clown. He saw the visions and heard the voices just like the Losers Club, even when Belch and Victor couldn't. His shine clearly wasn't as strong as the Losers' (possibly due to a lack of empathy?) but there clearly was some there.
Edit because I finished the book and some of what I said before was wrong.
@@ninetails8471 Then what are you doing with this video? And your life? Read a Stephen King book, I beg of you (start with The Shining).
5:37 I love how that's the actor who played Bill in IT chapter two
The turtle may be the “turtle of infinite knowledge” that’s also referenced in Rick and Morty.
Just a thought 💭
Or the turtle of Kungfu panda
Or the TMNT!
I'm guessing it's the same origin as the World Turtle in Pratchett's discworld series which is based on Hindu mythology.
Time travel 🐢 in Boruto!
Wow really ? I don't remeber any turtle in Rick&Morty
What does Mat Pat look like when he was doing Pennywise impressions in his closet?
Mystic Doughnut I wonder
The Film Theorists Hey *Matpat* can you send me a text that does not have a link
I’m pretty sure film theory wouldn’t send over one link
Why are these always so cringey
Mystic Doughnut would be kind of funny to see that
the stephen king universe is all tied together...the shining...cujo...salem's lot ..carrie...haven....the shining...it....the new tv series castle rock....the langoliers...the tommyknockers....etc.....all part of a bigger plan...read the dark tower series....
Fuck dark tower. King fucked up writing himself into his damn books.
@TheHoustonSkeptic It is just another monster affiliated with The Red which means it serves the Crimson King (even if unintended or indirectly).
How does cell ties in? Just wondering. I’ve heard of this before but I don’t know what it is
I'm sorry I can't take your seriousness seriously xD you're making me laugh with all that sErIoUs FaCtS
@@ghoulishgam3r508 Writing himself into the books is part of it. Several times throughout that series our world, as in the one you exist in, is shown to be the Keystone or prime world. Much like the Wizard Glass Black 13 being stored in the basement of the Trade towers. While the other worlds are mutable and not entirely chronological our world is. What happens in our world can't be changed. It's why the Rose is so important, it's the physical manifestation of the tower in our world. But I get off track, the section that King wrote himself into is short and is meant to draw that connection very strongly..
With regards to how it's possible all members of the losers club have the shining; it was actually mentioned in the book that the space turtle has been actually subtly directing each kid towards each other for their entire lives so that they would come together. So it's less of an "Oh, what are the odds all friends have psychic powers", and moreso that they were drawn together by the actions of a turtle god.
MatPat foreshadowed the casting of adult Bill in Chapter 2
@5:37
NO they watched this video then casted him
LOOOOOOOOL MATTPATT USED JAMES MCAVOY FOR BILL AND IT TURNS OUT JAMES MCAVOY IS GROWN UP BILL
It's all connected. All. Connected.
That beginning actually made me want to crawl down the drain. I WANNA THEORISE TOO.
Edit: holy moly ! Over 200 likes!
Rachel Stone lol same
i like matpat and all but if a clown starts talking to me from from a sewer il run the other way as fast as i can so fast that il leave a cartoon smoke shape of myself behind
Same #IWANNATHEORISETOO XD
YAH00! M0VIES naw.
According to some dream I had, believing isn’t what prevents you from being eaten by penny wise, it’s playing video games
5:37You know whats funny, the grown up character for Bill is James McAvoy lol.
Get it?
Psychic battle? (If u dont know who James is he the one who plays as Charles Xavier in the X-men movies)
Mind Control
two things...first of all I really dont like you and second of all at the time of the video we allready knew the cast for the 2nd movie
When I watched IT.
Me : Who the hell let a flipping 5 year old boy go *OUT IN THE RAIN ALONE*
Adult neglect is a running theme in Derry. Literally no one cares about those kids.
And it was the 1950's, it was a different time as well.
My cousin and I laughed every time someone got hurt ...
girl it was the 80s. people back then hitchhiked and seriously thought it was a good idea to get into a strangers car
yeah, and then they all acted surprised when people actually got killed
There’s this deleted scene in IT were Henry Bowers kills his gang
wish they would have sticked more to the book there
wow RLLY!?!?!?!?!
Pennywises fear is getting roasted to death if pennywise was real he would be annihilated the millisecond he stepped in a middle school
He doesn’t kill the kids not because of the “shining” but because he likes to scare his prey before eating it. He refers to it as “Salting the Meat”
So? He scares them plenty. The leper offering to blow Eddie for a quarter? Scared the shit out of him. The werewolf? Richie and Bill hugged each other and cried on a public street after that happened. As boys. In 1958. Boys don't do that in 1958. (In fact Bill cries over George in front of Richie. Richie glances around before putting an arm around Bill, and Bill makes Richie swear not to tell that he cried. That should give you an idea of how much you don't do that in 1958). Stan refused to even talk about his encounter with the dancing clown. He scared them enough, but he never did get around to eating them, did he? And we see him kill Eddie Corcoran. He pulls out the kid's dead brother and one monster, then bites his head off. That's it.
(Are you refrencing to the song?) Yep. Heh....
@@d.lan3y It doesn't get the kids because every time he tries they end up helping each other. They talk about that in the book, something about their teamwork thwarts him
@@BaldingClamydia Beverly, Eddie, Bill, Mike, and Stan were all alone when they first encountered It and it didn't kill them. Going back to the Eddie Corcoran scene in the book (as a reference for its style when not dealing with the Losers Club), It scares him for a second but cuts to the chase pretty fast. It should have gotten at least one of them.
@@d.lan3y I see what you mean
Pennywise:here want a toy
Me:nah I have a Xbox
There is the world's best Doritos
I would be like maybe, sure daddy
He would be like HELL NO MOTHERFUCKING DEMON
then he yeets himself out
Yeah, that was from Ryan/ NigaHiga
Then he'd just eat you
Me: Flips off Pennywise (with both hands)
“Dick possesses the shine”
Thank you, MatPat. Thank you.
lmao
When? I missed it
camhasproblems lol
Radiance beams from thy holy dick
Open the door of redeeming memes
Looolll