Since you asked for comments … here goes. Bird stones are not often found. They are extremely rare. Some examples in collections are even thought to be early century reproductions. Stone oil lamps are not numerous in Ohio. The beaver stone is a geofact. I’ve seen the video from U of WI and she does an excellent job educating about how to identify artifacts. She would not agree with the examples you provided. I was told by a professor at a prominent NE Ohio college that amateur archaeologists have more field knowledge than many graduating students. We rescue many times more artifacts from modern farming implements than the professionals ever will. FWIW.
I agree with you on the “digging” into obvious mounds however I DISAGREE with the laws prohibiting say, picking up a beautiful 4” Hopewell point, made from Coshocton blue/black chert, from a creek bed in a state-owned park. Why? You said it yourself at about 1:50 in this video. Even if I ran and got Brad Lepper or Martha Otto (curators of archaeology at the Ohio Historical Society) they will stick the point in a box in some dark, dusty place in the museum for NOBODY to see. Does it make more sense to leave the blade in situ so that the next hard rain washes it away, potentially breaking it into pieces, so it’s lost forever? I call BS on that. 90% of the most important sites in the country are discovered by amateur “hunter-collectors.” I have taken two pieces I found IN to show Brad-one was one of my first finds, over 25 years ago, a banded slate “pick” bannerstone and the other a gorgeous, uniface tool of Carter Cave flint which Brad said “definitely looks upper-paleo to me.” Some museums are now actually REMOVING all of their artifacts that they were “willing” to share with the public, so they can make sure they look PC for the 1% of people who are offended. I’m a long-time member of the ASO, have had 2 articles published in their quarterly journal, and a BA in early American history. I enjoyed your video very much! I was friends with Bob Converse, Lar Hothem, etc…I have a nice collection from Morrow Co, Knox, and Licking and Franklin and Delaware-all private property. (That Hopewell point was just an “example.”) Probably. 🫡 Semper Fi
I have some I have found here in Virginia at a river that is on a farm where they have found hundreds of arrowheads. I kept finding these perfect triangle shape rocks, I started researching and then that’s when my journey started. Just like you said go with your instincts, I have found some that I wasn’t sure about until I got them home and washed them and they are in the shape of bears, wolves, birds and even human faces. I have 2 pieces that are very large possibly used as a shovel or something, one is a head of a bear and one is the side view of a human face with what looks like a headdress. I have only just started and I absolutely love it!
Awesome! I just found a Celt in tinkers creek near Walton hills! Googled ancient stone artifacts Ohio and this is the first video they came up. I thought it was an axe head but it fits perfectly in the palm of my left hand and even has a polished thumb dent. I’m a lefty and just naturally held it that way it felt right!
I'm in the process of clearing the historic Wright Brothers trail in Moraine, Ohio, and the previous groundskeepers found artifacts, so this video is really helpful to give me a better idea of what to look for.
@@FacesintheStone and u wonder why no professionals will give u the time of day,I'm in some legitimate artifact groups and also a member of the archeology society of ohio, u guys are often brought up when we want a laugh
They often would think, if they found a natural object that looked vaguely like a real thing, that a spirit in the form of that thing resided inside of it & would keep such an object at a shrine. Sometimes, they would artificially enhance it, other times, they would leave it as is. So, an animal spirit could be a personal totem, or a reason for disease that had to be appeased as part of the process for curing someone.
Cupstones are for making bifaces, all the celts that are uncountable in North America were their weapons and the one thing that absolutely everyone packed all the time, the "beaver" is probably also a weapon. Celt style hafting was common but for a long time stones were placed in living tree roots and pruned to grow over the stone as man's first real functional hafting system. Usually, those stones are not sharp as the intent was to bludgeon, not cut
Spindle whirls have a hole in them, like a donut. Theyre mounted onto a dowel so itll spin like a top to twist and wind loose fibers into a bobbin of thread. Cup stones have a depression in them and were indeed used for grinding nuts, seeds, or grains into flour-like a stationary mortar and pestil. You usually see several cups on the same stone so multiple people can work to get the job done efficiently when its harvesting season 🧐
So glad to have stumbled across your channel! Here in northern ca . I’ve found a lot of bird and snake shaped stones as well as a beaver over the years. Thank you!
In regards to the "nutting stones" I disagree. You can crack a nut with any stone(s) lying about, why dedicate a large bulky rock for that purpose. And it would take thousands of nuts to make 1 little dimple. A better theory of its intended use, I believe, can be found in Ohio Archaeologist magazine volume 63 No4 fall 2013 page 39 Written by Scot Stoneking. I 've known him personally for decades and we've shared many an experience in the field or in theory. This is the most logical deduction of these artifacts I've considered. For those who may not be able to access this article, my belief is it was used to dress the striking end of an antler for flint napping. 1 of the pieces pictured is from my personal collection. It's a very interesting article worth reading. Hope you find this information helpful.
Saludos, I like your surmisation, the idea seems most plausible.... but just now I had a thought, so here it goes; Was this artifact some sort of collector for juice or nectar, if not for catching an extract when breaking down material in the process of manufacturing and procuring an oil product? I suppose we would find the stone stained, and I haven't seen enough of this type of artifact to draw any real solid conclusion. I tend to fall your way, but I am sure some examples are out there. Cheers!
@@jarmyvicious Thank you. I've seen many examples of these artifacts, can't recall ever seeing staining in or around the "dimples". Some examples are quite large with multiple dimples. Better to stay put while in use I suppose. Most all examples are in a softer material like sandstone, hence "sandpaper " if you will. That material breaks down rather easy and wouldn't be favorable on the teeth if used for a food product. We've tested this theory with antlers for napping and it works perfectly. Peck a small pit to start and it will become a smooth dimple. I have several of these in my personal collection.
I said that the ONE thing I DON'T believe they are is a stone for cracking nuts. Also, yours is a fair theory. I certainly don't have all the answers, I'm just hoping to start a conversion. Thanks for your input :)
Thank you for sharing..ive found several of those oil lamp cup/plates but never knew the use ..i just posted one in a vid titled 2 pc chopper set where i call it a plate but its got a bowl or cup shape on a round hand sized plate of stone. Big thanks to you for this info❤
Wow, thank you. I live in Wisconsin and have found many that fit my hand, with groves that fit perfectly to hold and use. It is interesting that the Indigenous did not know what some of them were, which means of course is that there were others before them. I also like your opinions and subscribed because of that, thank you!
Yes i have 100s of beautiful pieces, only 1 was confirned by an online archeologist pro. A bunch were confirmed by a native history teacher in Maine. Cheers from New Brunswick.
Since you asked for comments … here goes. Bird stones are not often found. They are extremely rare. Some examples in collections are even thought to be early century reproductions. Stone oil lamps are not numerous in Ohio. The beaver stone is a geofact. I’ve seen the video from U of WI and she does an excellent job educating about how to identify artifacts. She would not agree with the examples you provided. I was told by a professor at a prominent NE Ohio college that amateur archaeologists have more field knowledge than many graduating students. We rescue many times more artifacts from modern farming implements than the professionals ever will. FWIW.
I agree with you on the “digging” into obvious mounds however I DISAGREE with the laws prohibiting say, picking up a beautiful 4” Hopewell point, made from Coshocton blue/black chert, from a creek bed in a state-owned park. Why? You said it yourself at about 1:50 in this video. Even if I ran and got Brad Lepper or Martha Otto (curators of archaeology at the Ohio Historical Society) they will stick the point in a box in some dark, dusty place in the museum for NOBODY to see. Does it make more sense to leave the blade in situ so that the next hard rain washes it away, potentially breaking it into pieces, so it’s lost forever? I call BS on that. 90% of the most important sites in the country are discovered by amateur “hunter-collectors.” I have taken two pieces I found IN to show Brad-one was one of my first finds, over 25 years ago, a banded slate “pick” bannerstone and the other a gorgeous, uniface tool of Carter Cave flint which Brad said “definitely looks upper-paleo to me.” Some museums are now actually REMOVING all of their artifacts that they were “willing” to share with the public, so they can make sure they look PC for the 1% of people who are offended. I’m a long-time member of the ASO, have had 2 articles published in their quarterly journal, and a BA in early American history. I enjoyed your video very much! I was friends with Bob Converse, Lar Hothem, etc…I have a nice collection from Morrow Co, Knox, and Licking and Franklin and Delaware-all private property. (That Hopewell point was just an “example.”) Probably. 🫡 Semper Fi
I have a creek full of hundred of thousands here in northern CA
I have some I have found here in Virginia at a river that is on a farm where they have found hundreds of arrowheads. I kept finding these perfect triangle shape rocks, I started researching and then that’s when my journey started. Just like you said go with your instincts, I have found some that I wasn’t sure about until I got them home and washed them and they are in the shape of bears, wolves, birds and even human faces. I have 2 pieces that are very large possibly used as a shovel or something, one is a head of a bear and one is the side view of a human face with what looks like a headdress. I have only just started and I absolutely love it!
If west of the fall line, contact the Saponi. If east, the Pamunkey or Mattaponi.
I had a wolf effigy that I had found on the Illinois River.
Awesome! I just found a Celt in tinkers creek near Walton hills! Googled ancient stone artifacts Ohio and this is the first video they came up. I thought it was an axe head but it fits perfectly in the palm of my left hand and even has a polished thumb dent. I’m a lefty and just naturally held it that way it felt right!
I'm in the process of clearing the historic Wright Brothers trail in Moraine, Ohio, and the previous groundskeepers found artifacts, so this video is really helpful to give me a better idea of what to look for.
Some good info,but the beaver effigy,is just a natural piece,unaltered by ancient hands..
Tim doesn’t understand portable rock art. We know him well in our community, he likes to tell everyone that their finds are not an artifact. 😅
@@FacesintheStonestill confused I see,,and not true I only say not an artifact when it's not...
@@FacesintheStone and u wonder why no professionals will give u the time of day,I'm in some legitimate artifact groups and also a member of the archeology society of ohio, u guys are often brought up when we want a laugh
They often would think, if they found a natural object that looked vaguely like a real thing, that a spirit in the form of that thing resided inside of it & would keep such an object at a shrine. Sometimes, they would artificially enhance it, other times, they would leave it as is. So, an animal spirit could be a personal totem, or a reason for disease that had to be appeased as part of the process for curing someone.
Interesting conversation.
I found a carved stone bowl similiar to the torch ones in Aotearoa NZ
Cupstones are for making bifaces, all the celts that are uncountable in North America were their weapons and the one thing that absolutely everyone packed all the time, the "beaver" is probably also a weapon. Celt style hafting was common but for a long time stones were placed in living tree roots and pruned to grow over the stone as man's first real functional hafting system. Usually, those stones are not sharp as the intent was to bludgeon, not cut
Spindle whirls have a hole in them, like a donut. Theyre mounted onto a dowel so itll spin like a top to twist and wind loose fibers into a bobbin of thread. Cup stones have a depression in them and were indeed used for grinding nuts, seeds, or grains into flour-like a stationary mortar and pestil. You usually see several cups on the same stone so multiple people can work to get the job done efficiently when its harvesting season 🧐
Yes sir thank you.
So glad to have stumbled across your channel! Here in northern ca . I’ve found a lot of bird and snake shaped stones as well as a beaver over the years. Thank you!
I live in NE Ohio, any advice?
In regards to the "nutting stones" I disagree. You can crack a nut with any stone(s) lying about, why dedicate a large bulky rock for that purpose. And it would take thousands of nuts to make 1 little dimple. A better theory of its intended use, I believe, can be found in Ohio Archaeologist magazine volume 63 No4 fall 2013 page 39 Written by Scot Stoneking. I 've known him personally for decades and we've shared many an experience in the field or in theory. This is the most logical deduction of these artifacts I've considered. For those who may not be able to access this article, my belief is it was used to dress the striking end of an antler for flint napping. 1 of the pieces pictured is from my personal collection. It's a very interesting article worth reading. Hope you find this information helpful.
Saludos,
I like your surmisation, the idea seems most plausible.... but just now I had a thought, so here it goes;
Was this artifact some sort of collector for juice or nectar, if not for catching an extract when breaking down material in the process of manufacturing and procuring an oil product? I suppose we would find the stone stained, and I haven't seen enough of this type of artifact to draw any real solid conclusion. I tend to fall your way, but I am sure some examples are out there. Cheers!
@@jarmyvicious Thank you. I've seen many examples of these artifacts, can't recall ever seeing staining in or around the "dimples". Some examples are quite large with multiple dimples. Better to stay put while in use I suppose. Most all examples are in a softer material like sandstone, hence "sandpaper " if you will. That material breaks down rather easy and wouldn't be favorable on the teeth if used for a food product. We've tested this theory with antlers for napping and it works perfectly. Peck a small pit to start and it will become a smooth dimple. I have several of these in my personal collection.
@@georgedouglas9342 excellently replied, thanks and Cheers!
I said that the ONE thing I DON'T believe they are is a stone for cracking nuts. Also, yours is a fair theory. I certainly don't have all the answers, I'm just hoping to start a conversion. Thanks for your input :)
@@hiddenohiohistory Your most welcome. And thank you for your reply and consideration of the theory.
Spindle sockets for weaving cloth
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Thank you for sharing..ive found several of those oil lamp cup/plates but never knew the use ..i just posted one in a vid titled 2 pc chopper set where i call it a plate but its got a bowl or cup shape on a round hand sized plate of stone. Big thanks to you for this info❤
I picked up a stone around the brandywine creek, i thought it was a tool of some sort but now realizing jt is probably a celt
Great stuff. Thanks again!
Wow, thank you. I live in Wisconsin and have found many that fit my hand, with groves that fit perfectly to hold and use. It is interesting that the Indigenous did not know what some of them were, which means of course is that there were others before them. I also like your opinions and subscribed because of that, thank you!
Very Interesting Thanks!
The last stone was a bison, or thats my guess.
Do any exploring? Went to a few places last summer. Trying to learn more this seems like nobody cares.
It's a little pyramid we have some too!
Good stuff bro
Industrialists are after arrow heads? What?
That I just took today
Yes i have 100s of beautiful pieces, only 1 was confirned by an online archeologist pro. A bunch were confirmed by a native history teacher in Maine. Cheers from New Brunswick.
I have footage you would love to see from NE ohio
Hey.... if my grandpa was buried with a Rolex gimme a shovel.
I found an arrow head on the banks of the scioto the other day just smoking a bowl. Crazy that these artifacts are still “common”
Considering that they used them for thousands of years, we'll never be able to find them all.
Cairns are made of stones