FALCONRY: Don’t fly Harris’ Hawks in groups !
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- In this video we look at two good reasons not to fly hh in groups ; we also discuss the positives and what can be achieved with this superb falconry bird
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I certainly agree with you! Before you explained this, I thought you were crazy at first because the Harris Hawk is the only bird of prey that hunts in packs! But, as you said in the video, they only stay true to that pack, and if they encounter other packs of Harris Hawks, it could end in a fight! In order for there to be 2 hawks hunting cooperatively together, they would have to do so at a young age, and stay true to hunting with that other hawk each time! Birds learn things by habit by design, so if they can't get into that habit, they'll forget it later on!n
I've always liked the idea of having 2 hawks intercepting prey at different angles! Its just a much more effective way to hunt! But once you have more than that, there's bound to be a lazy hawk that's just slacking off for an easy reward! They all get the same portion of the reward, but the laziest hawk is getting a reward for little or no effort. Having 1 hawk seems the most ideal for someone like me! Besides that, since I am only allowed to own 1 hawk during my first year as an Apprentice Falconer, it wouldn't make sense for me to hunt with 2 Red Tailed Hawks together later on. That would be due to the fact that the hawk was only accustomed to hunting on its own during my first year!
I won't be hooding any hawks, only because it just doesn't seem natural to do! Also, I don't plan on using any Falcons. My intentions are to hunt with an easygoing hawk like a Red Tailed Hawk, and that's what I'm going to stick with. Its doubtful that I'll be hunting with a Golden Eagle, but if so, it'll be for just a single season!
You said that birds learn through habit, but forget if they don't practice, but that's certainty not the case with Harris's, as Dave showed that his guy had learned about finding food under certain kinds/colours of upside down plant pots, and, ten years later, immediately started poking at a similar plant pot... These are not "dumb animals"!
Spot on mate
My 6 or 7 month old at the time male had been away from his brother for a couple of months and the first time we had them back together, my sponsor's male pounced on mine. Luckily neither were hurt since mine was tethered to my glove, and we responded quickly. I have a very healthy respect going forward about how hard cast flying would be.
Great messages!
hope you got a couple of wax jackets for the advertising :) another great vid Dave.
Hehe no freebies here! Oh actually got a jack pyke jacket when we did that film ! Good jacket too !
Totally agree with you Dave, they never reach their full potential hunting in a group, exactly like dogs. You always get one doing all the work then the others just piling in at the end!
Fantastisk video 🙏
Thanks Dave .... You are a great inspiration for a newbie.
Please keep up the good work!!
No arguement that a lot of HH don't get to there full potential. However is some ways, the ability of HH to work together is the peak of their abilities. Half a dozen HH hunting cooperatively can be deadly on game. Multiple kills and often multiple game being chased, at any one point in time. I have enjoyed this kind of hunting many times in the 35 odd years since I was lucky enough to get my first HH (yes I paid over £2k for mine back then, and she was worth every penny). Yes there is often some ruffled feathers when a new member joins a hunting group. But it is mostly noise and closed foot hits. Like everything HH, small details make big differences in proformance and behaviour. And we need to be on the ball and watching for the earliest signs of trouble ( heads held low, and "angry crow calls").
More than any other bird out there, you get out of a HH, what you put in. In so many ways they aren't really suitable as a beginners bird that they seem to have become.
It is hard to see some of the most amazing birds in falconry going to waste, something I think you might also have felt. My hat is off to you for trying to do what you can, about that.
The very essence of that magazine article right there
Dave always giving good solid information.
Brilliant video dave as always keep them coming.
Luckily my birds haven’t been hurt bad but had a freinds bird take out my male and female in one day I would never fly my birds with other birds ever again lesson learned the hard way this is a good video as always Dave help people save there birds before it’s to late 👍
Takeaways from the video:
1) 09:00 Don’t fly your HH together with other falconers HH in a group outing. If they are not socialised /trained with each other. They might attack each other. It happens
2) 18:00 HH can be the most superior falconry bird of all! If trained to its maximum potential.
Hope I will one day become a Harris Hawker to the best of my ability Dave; and not a dabbler
Yeah don’t dabble hehe
Great video, I did like the title, great click bait with a good strong message.
Although I’m only in my second moult, as you know I fly 7 days a week , my HH has filled 2 freezers with his catches this season, all flushed from field and woodland by my paterdale, they will both happily feed on the catch if I let it happen, a great team thanks to a great Hawk.
I personally think that we should stop calling HH a beginners bird, we should say if you get a hawk you fly it for life, it’s a shame to pass them on possibly with problems.
I understand they have a more forgiving weight but still a living creature and should not be passed on because someone now wants a different bird, find a good mature falconer and learn how to fly what you are going to keep.
I personally only ever wanted to fly a HH , a fantastic hunter when fully fit and at a healthy weight and flown regularly.
I have used ferrets but difficult here with the sort of cover we have, if I find more land with good flight runs I would use them more, I am thinking or more ways to hunt differently for next season.
Great advice on flying in groups and casts, thanks for taking the time, looking forward to the next video, happy hawking and good luck.
You’re one of the good guys with a good bird ; and it will be good when we finally catch up again!
@@falconry.davesharpenatureboy looking forward to that.
it's funny that people wouldn't understand that Harris' Hawks, in a pack, grew up together, are probably family, or close.... why would they just 'get on' with a bunch of 'strangers', strangers who are competing for their food !! Come on, seems clear, no??
Thus, I see the clickbait nature... people who fly a cast of hawks, who 'know each other', a way different scenario than just taking the hood off amongst a group of 'competitors'!
Nice info, as usual :-)
Take that birds hood off!!, it was just getting wound up & you ignored it!!
no you want to see a bird sulk, should have seen my RT after I scrubbed his feet clean. He sat like that with no hood on staring at his feet.
Each to their own, flown single's and in a cast of 4, all females of late, always enjoyable, same 2 Hawks on occasion will have a 10 minute spat over dominance, ( takes us a bit longer) then they switch on and work well together, seen Males shoved off a kill, but not attacked/killed ( not saying it never happens),
It certainly happens i be true calls every season , as you say tho it doesn’t happen all the time
What issue of the magazine is that Dave?
Issue number 49
@@falconry.davesharpenatureboy thank you
Really was interested in watching and tried for awhile but you talk about so much nonsense. I’m not trying to be rude but you really should get to the point. I couldn’t even finish to see what your title was which was the reason of me wanting to watch. You really should simplify. Ty sir
It’s a bad habit for sure
No is hawk is eagle
Ha ha Falconers fly Hawks do they, since when!?😂….. for the record short wingers/Austringers fly Hawks…. Falconer's fly Falcons.… wish raptor display artistists would stop trying to rewrite the true definition of what true Falconry actually is and what the true definition of a Falconer actually is 💡🤦♂️🪶🪶🪶 ps try watching the road to Bakersfield on whether Harris hawks can fly successfully as a group….. Some of the best footage I seen of cooperative hunting with Harris’s I ever seen! 💡🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤌🪶🪶🪶
I know and parabuteo unicinctus isn’t even a hawk! The weird foibles of the English language !