I Spent 90 Days In openSUSE Tumbleweed, This Is What Happened!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- In this video we check out openSUSE Tumbleweed and all of the amazing features in Gnome 42. openSUSE Tumbleweed is proof a distro can be rolling and stable all at the same time. I love rolling distros. Hand me an Arch or even a semi-rolling Fedora and I'm a happy man. If like me you want the latest and greatest Mesa drivers, the latest kernel enablement (whether hardware or software) and you also want to be run the latest versions of software check out openSUSE Tumbleweed. For the past 90 days I've done my videos, streaming live on Destination Linux, recording Hardware Addicts, coding, writing, and all of my main work on openSUSE Tumbleweed to prove just how stable it can be in production.
Technology shouldn't be held back by old software for the sake of stability and Tumbleweed proves you can indeed have both.
- BTRFS is a perfect pairing with a rolling distro and the ability to rollback anytime minimizes risks with frequent updates.
- Updates always go through flawlessly. OpenSUSE is stable and works every time without fail.
- Gaming is great. It's not the fastest I've ever seen but it's far from the slowest. I don't think OpenSUSE does anything special here but since you get latest kernel you benefit from hardware compatibility and software enhancements.
- With Flatpak and the OpenSUSE repository you have all the software you'll want. The only place you'll find more software is the AUR in Arch.
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I came from Arch to Tumbleweed a few months back, then I tried Fedora and Ubuntu, just to give them a fair shot. Now I am back with Tumbleweed and it just feels like home. Awesome community, great distro, rarely any problems, and even if... just snapper it back into working order.
dicord for the community?
Been using openSuse for years. I am glad recently it is getting the attention it so deservedly needs. I have never been able to understand why it was being ignored for so long.,
I spent 3.5 years in openSUSE Tumbleweed (> 1000 days) on my work ThinkPad (which is my main machine I use all day) and it is still doing great, after countless updates! It makes regular non-rolling distros obsolete and their development model (big release every x months or years) look ancient. Embrace the latest and greatest software at all times !
Agreed, used openSuSE in the past, before Tumbleweed was a thing and it's one of the best distros in general, the RR model only makes it better.
Which desktop environment was it?
I still use and prefer Leap, but I'm going to give Tumbleweed a chance, I liked what I saw👍.
Warning: you will fall in love.
It is better than the arch. ,
I've never used openSUSE but may give it a try. Does it come with KDE desktop?
It's one of the best experiences with KDE Plasma.
Ya absolutely!
openSUSE defaults to KDE. KDE is their flagship.
I have been using OpenSUSE as my daily driver for the most part (have bounced a bit, but always come back) for over 5 years. Genuinely the most enjoyable distro I have ever touched. Would love to start giving back to it more.
Make us some videos!!! Thats also giving back!! :)
The worst thing about the openSUSE installer is the way it handles disk encryption. It encrypts your boot partition and your root partition so you have to enter your password twice at start up. We should be encouraging users to encrypt their data for better privacy and security so openSUSE really need to fix this.
Well, I wound up just storing the encryption keys on the root drive (no dedicated boot partition and of course need to include it in initrd) and now I only need to enter that one key for decryption.
@@Harm10412 Yes there are workarounds documented on the openSUSE website, but it’s not something a casual user would know how to solve. No other distribution does this and there’s no reason for it. It’s just bad.
This is a result of better security (encrypted boot) + GRUB. SystemD boot doesn't have this issue but it has no options for booting from snapshots... yet.
@@jayarmstrong Encrypting boot should at least be an option for users who want "better security". Although most users encrypt their hard drive to protect their data if their laptop / hard drive is lost or stolen, so encrypting boot really makes no difference, because in most cases you won't be seeing it again.
@@dan79600 it is a checkbox option in the installer. I don't recall if it's on or off by default but you're right that the pain points should be made clear to newer users 👌👌
underrated distro
This video didn't aged well. Before plasma 6, I can say openSUSE tw is rock solid, if you encounter any issue with system update, just use snapper to rollback. After plasma 6 big update, well, things didn't go well. Now openSUSE tw is a hot mess, even snapper can't save you from buggy updates. Even the community don't recognize tw is a stable rolling release, they recommend me to switch to openSUSE Aeon, a more "Stable" rolling release, which I don't care. Because it's already too late for me. The system is broken and I switched back to fedora, well it's nobara and more stable than fedora, but still(you will get it).If you use gnome or other DE or WM, you will be fine(I guess). Stay away from plasma 6, even nobara has some minor issue that bothers me.
On any 90 day period, you could say the same about Arch
Elden Ring is the only game i play, it's a boomer when i have to reboot to Windows everytime i want to play it, i literally use Windows only for games. And so i hear that Elden Ring plays better on Linux due to the Vulkan API. OpenSUSE seems like a good deal for me to nuke Windows completely and migrate to Tumbleweed. What do you say?
Oh and also would you mind sharing your pc specs?
Go for it
@@linearz already did, it's been a week now.
Everything's running fine, desktop's performance so far is the same with other distro I guess it depends on the DE but i'll deep more later.
i screwed up with my partition so i haven't tested any games since i had work to be done. Also Elden Ring on Steam Deck, works smoother than on Windows, so i'm pretty confident about the end result i might be getting.
@@mamenggaluh8897 There's an option in Steam to enable shader caching and pre-compiling for dxvk. Enabling this is what makes the stutter that makes the game so horrible to play on Windows go away in Linux
Glad that OpenSUSE gets a worldwide apreciation. Not only German/EU 💪😎
what are the to do things after installing openSUSE TW, for someone who wants to get into linux or someone who used debian/ubuntu before? maybe a video about things to do after installing openSUSE would be nice (like setting up firewall, adding 3rd party repositories, some settings, etc.)
Great idea
Excellent video, thanks! It convinced me to go and install OpenSuse TW later today, next to my daily driver, which is Manjaro KDE.
Love hearing that. Let me know how you enjoy it !
Right now I'm using Regata OS, that is based on Tumbleweed. I have a hybrid graphics laptop and it's been a breeze. Worth trying
Sir, you made me curious. I have a god damn cursed hybrid laptop too that doesn't want to work with any distro at all. So I will give it one more try with this one.
To hell with intel+nvidia 😈
is it actually based on tumbleweed? i assumed its leap + extra repos
You pointed out several deficiencies in Tumbleweed, and I discovered that some of the links during each page of the installation lead to some very cool options. I installed the xfce-desktop, and then when I got to the review page, I selected the Software option. There are amazing options there you should review.
I saw that you have Open-Suse Leap Repositories enabled alongside Tumbleweed Repositories. Doesn't that cause conflict during updates and other installation issues?
even ubuntu is starting to think of a rolling release.
really? do you have a source?
ubtuntu rolling rhino.
@@ashishpatel350 that's not from Canonical
@@Alexander-is9jo I think it's made by a canonical employee.
Atleast for me, gnome is Mac with drugs
I made a video a while back playing a VR game (Halflife Alyx) on my Valve Index in OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Opensuse is absolutely one of if not the best gaming OSes for desktop.
I don't understand why nobody adds prodon or wine directly to the linux database. You would have the whole proton/wine database and it would be actualized with a system update. I just want to install linux and play games. That's all.
You are conflating two different types of stability. They stability people want when they say they don't want a rolling release distro has nothing to do with whether there are bugs or crashes. The stability being talked about is platform stability. Stability in this sense means that you can depend on package versions staying the same so that updates to packages don't break your development/production environments.
I use Arch every day on my desktop. This install is 6 years old. It has been rock solid in terms of the stability you are talking about, I never have problems, everything works. But professionally I am a developer. So in my development environments I use Debian because it is stable. I can depend on the fact that major packages I rely on wont change without warning.
These are different types of stability that people get confused with all the time when they start talking about rolling releases. Rolling realeases are great for desktop use, especially for things like gaming where you want the lastest versions asap. They are not inherantly more buggy. But they are less stable as a platform.
I just installed it-- got everything working great except the DVD playing and nothing has worked on that---- I'd also LOVE to get a minimize, maximize and X to close on EVERYTHING-- there is no way to shut some stuff down without alt-f4 and I HATE key code crap. I don't type well enough to automaticallly do that- and can't see to hit the right keys sometimes.... I'll fix these things eventually--as I learn more-- but SO FAR-- GREAT!!!! Even the Proton Mail Bridge worked GREAT first time- and and the Printer worked great first time. Seems fast, smoothe and they say MORE stable.. so we'll see. So far so GREAT!!!!
I noticed that Leap uses KDE 5.18 (which is way out of date). Tumbleweed is probably the way to go for everyone considering OpenSUSE desktop, especially with BTRFS having your back if an update goes wrong.
Yea, I installed Leap, and the older version of KDE was missing features I liked. Just installed Tumbleweed instead, working fine.
My only issue with OpenSuse was trying to install my HP OfficeJet Pro 8600 printer. It's the only distro that I have problems simply installing a printer. It was pretty frustrating. Otherwise, I loved it, and it ran great. Yeah, it takes 4 times longer to install it compared to other distributions, but it's a great product.
I have a HP officejet5744
What I do is that I install hplip and then you can select HP device manager.
Select Yast-printers add printer.
You will see an option in "printers" te select HP device manager
You need hplip to ensure all the printer drivers ready for operation. Setup your printer from hplip and you should be ready to print
I had bigger problems with Mint. Don't remember the details, but there was no way to get the driver from the repos, you had to enable snaps, or go through some building steps, it was messy and error-prone.
It seems to me that the problem is mostly from HP. Closed drivers not well integrated into the Linux ecosystem. Some distros do the work to hide the ugliness, but it's still there.
Are you using Nvidia or AMD card...?
I would like to know also....
Everyone I know who uses opensuse uses kde plasma, because that's the default DE and their particular implementation of plasma is really good. I feel you've done a disservice when showing the benefits of opensuse without using the most typical usecase. Half of your criticisms were gnome specific
Is the matrix desktop background something all linux users do? Honest question. I remember when i first installed arch with kde around 20 years ago, the first project i decided to do on a whim, i decided i wanted to make my own matrix themed os and it took a few hours to get a much more basic matrix code roll, it was slower and far less busy than yours, but it felt like something i had to do before doing anything else.
I really like it. Started to use it this weekend. Just made my VFIO GPU passthrough setup, which was FREAKING easy with YAST and dracut.
single gpu passthrough or 2?
@@d1ssolv3r Two. I have two GPUs.
Are Tumbleweed and Leap available as ISO files to TRY on a thumb drive?
I looked and I haven't been able to find.
I discovered opi software and it rocks
i moved from Arch to OpenSUSE TW I am very interesting , stable , snapshots , YAST ,and more
Interesting going with gnome on open suse. Part of the reason i love open suse is because it treats kde plasma lime a first class citizen. Plasma 6 is a dream
Don't forget to add SUSE Studio Imagewriter to your desktop. I never seen easier to use software for creating bootable USB sticks, CD'd or DVD's. It's hilarious how simple to use it is.
Ryan, just a heads up for the future -- when you show us what your screen is displaying regarding "Patterns" ( 13:28 ) the font size is such that even at 720p, some of the words are a little rough for viewers to read, even in full screen mode on my 2560x1080 monitor. I can't imagine it being easy to read on an older 15" laptop screen.
Good call, thank you!
As user of mainly debian based distros for more than ten years I'm afraid that thing that it is less popular will kick me in worst possible moment. From differences i see is that os is more polished than some debian/ubuntu based distro. Yast is briliant but when it comes to installing packages from other sources it failed me many times as packages were making my system broken. First example from line: Emacs. For spacemacs or doom emacs i need version around 27.2. One from additional user repositories didn't want to install. Ok so we have flatpack I've installed one but after managing to add manually (which is sad) to path script that was making emacs start from terminal this still wasn't compatible with any of mentioned:/ But this is edge case mostly, things work but in compare to distros i used some additional manual/not obvious steps are needed:/ So to make everything work i need to spend some time additionally. I'm just afraid that someday I'll hit the wall as OpenSuse is less popular and differend in many places than other distros. PS. I'm using latest LEAP.
thank you for your efforts. I tried to install Tumbleweed on a Macbook Air (end 2011). However, I gave up. The installer seems be from the starting years of Suse company and created a real mess. We have 2022 now.
Yes, They need to work on their WIFI implementation...
How can arch be as stable as tumbleweed 😢
Not sure if you've solved this issue @DASGeek but I believe you have a Discover update check process from your previous Plasma desktop which uses PackageKit internally and might be competing with Gnome Software app center which might also be using PackageKit but I'm not 100% for Gnome's case, though.
I was wondering why Tumbleweed is very underrated.
if you cant read, why not bigger the icons?
Clearly the best gamer ever :P
LOL, clearly!
open suza is similar as kaiser soza?
It's been years since I last tried Tumbleweed.
Using Nvidia card on it was a nightmare. I don't know if it's better now, but when I first used TW you had to install the graphics updates "the hard way:" which included saving the Linux update and access it through TTY upon reboot. Then there was a third-party repository you could include that made it a lot easier, but it flabbergasted me that they somehow had no problem with Nvidia repo on Leap but it was too difficult for TW.
I *hate* patterns. For a full-featured install that openSUSE is, there's of course plenty of packages that I don't want at all or prefer alternatives. It's not enough that you uninstall and that's it like on every other distro. You had to blacklist it in YAST otherwise it would just reinstall itself when you "dup."
In general, at least back then, I found Arch easier to setup and maintain then TW. When it comes to RPM-based distros, I like Fedora more.
Using an NVIDIA card with a high dpi OLED display, I had a couple issues at the beginning. I couldn't change my screen brightness and the installer was tiny and hard to read. I had multiple audio devices and it started off picking the wrong one, my wifi card drivers were buggy (brand new laptop) and my keyboard backlight didn't respond.
Enabling the NVIDIA repository, adding a boot option for PWM, switching audio devices and waiting half a year for the wifi driver to be fixed solved all my issues.
After about a month I had a workaround (cold boot) for the wifi thing, but still. I also haven't been able to get my fingerprint scanner to work yet.
All in all it wasn't completely smooth sailing, but as my first distro, I have enjoyed it. Troubleshooting my hardware taught me a lot and I really like the stability and how well-supported OpenSUSE seems to be. YaST is a lifesaver, reduced the upfront learning I had to do by a bunch. The initial installer was kind of intimidating, me not knowing what half the options I was provided with did. It was helpful to have someone on hand with more experience for my first install.
In terms of maintenance, it's been a breeze for me. Nothing has broken other than my bootloader once near the beginning when I was troubleshooting hardware stuff, but that was user error. It would have been nice to have had a warning not to reboot when the bootloader config tool gave an error.
I use Tumbleweed and I don't even have YAST installed or any patterns installed either, zypper is great, it doesn't pull in many dependencies at all when you tell it not to install recommended packages, for example I'm using LXQT with Kwin and I don't have any GTK libraries installed at all, I don't think that's possible on Fedora, Arch or Debian/Lubuntu.
I spent 8 years inside openSUSE: first Leap for 5 years and then 3 to tumbleweed only changing repos and make a "special dup".
I love this rolling release because is very very stable
I'm using with multimedia:proaudio because i'm a musician and I'm using a lot of multimedia programs
What about drivers, I'm new to Linux and after a long choice, I ended up choosing OpenSuse. It became more understandable to me, but the drivers on nvidia are very difficult to install. How to be?
Hi, I'm curious how can you record your screen. You're using OpenSUSE, which software do you use? Thank you in advance!
I recently migrated from Arch to Tumbleweed and I love it. Tumbleweed strikes the right balance between flexibility (easy customization) and usability (not needing to customize everything). Forgive this comparison but, it reminds me of Windows 98 without all the negatives (This is intended as a complement). Everything is easily accessed and customizable and the controls are not hidden away. It is not "fancy" for the sake of "user experience". The UI elements are there because they work, not because someone decided everyone else needs to work a certain way. I love it.
I also love the fact that I can let it sit unused for a week or two without updating and it getting out of sync and breaking, like arch based distros which start having key problems after a few days of not updating.
in regards to that issue you had with packagekit. you need to remove the gnome-packagekit rpm and reboot. doing this will prevent packagekit from being used by the above package
FYI: I run Arch.
Hi! Sorry for offtopic, anybody knows the name of that beautiful matrix screensaver behind?
Now opensuse leap will be dropped out and some form of ALP or micro os will be adopted, so tumbleweed will be the only choice for desktop users.
Btw I use openSUSE tumbleweed. :-)
Every issue mentioned is on point. Job well done :D
how is OBS working in your Tumbleweed, man? Mine won't open
WoW, Didn't knew Post Malone also knew about linux.
The PackageKit lock, that you implied was a problem with the distro, is actually just from the automatic online updater checking the system for package updates. It does seem to check a bit often for my tastes, but it's also fully configurable as well. A reboot doesn't "fix" it either, because it checks for updates right after booting. But it doesn't take very long to complete, usually only about 20 seconds or so. Compare that to Windows, which used to take my system MORE than 20 minutes just to check for core system updates, only.
I know this is a bit late, but the reason packagekit was busy was the automatic updates had it opened.
I admit i am very happy with opensuse
Part of the delay with zypper is that it refreshes all repos if it's been more than ten minutes since last refresh 😬
beep at 2:28 was not enjoyable
Been using it in vmware its smooth
audio and video are out of sync
90 days-uare tough!
This is a great distro, but a little too unpolished for my liking. I cannot wait for Fedora to officially launch with Gnome 42. I know the beta is out, but I don't like running betas on my only computer.
@Deepak Negi That is true. Although, it doesn't operate in a buggy or unfinished state.
u are a good man
Arch is still stable, and endeavorOS is nice too.
Does it work properly with nvidia driver on pc
There is always the chance of nvidia not keeping up with kernel updates and messing things up, happens from time to time. But you can always revert the updates by using BTRFS snapshots and wait a little longer with updating for the problems to resolve.
@@Brummbaerchie I see but don't they have like dkms Nvidia build just to avoid issues with Nvidia and the kernel when it gets updated
@@emmanuelgxlden7170 i currently don't have an Nvidia card anymore but I think there was no dkms option a while ago, rolling back with snapper and waiting a few days was pretty straight forward though on the few occasions of problems appearing
@@Brummbaerchie alright thanks. What is your opinion concerning opensuse ?
@@emmanuelgxlden7170 overall it's really solid, updates come quickly (the latest 2 gnome versions arrived way faster in tumbleweed than in arch). Some things (e.g. firewall) are pretty restrictive by default though, but you can configure things easily with yast or config files.
Installing from Live USB makes life easier.
Why is tumbleweed so slow? Everything that I open is slow, and if I open OBS forget about it. I really would like to stick to it. Fedora jn the other hand is snappy on the same hardware (same machine, different ssd hard drive). How can I speed it up?
thats weird, i have no problems whatsoever - what hardware do you have specifically? if nvidia, doublecheck that your drivers are properly installed. i fell in that trap a bit due to yast picking "prime" packages even though i just wanted to use my 3080
Its possible to use the DVD - and install MULTIPLE desktops during the install ? Is this not something that someone should do ? One thing I do find with OpenSUSE - is that it breaks often ? I've never decided - if its ME .... or is it the software ? Other Linux Distro's - just keep working until I get tired of them. OpenSUSE = more often than not, I'll do something - and it just won't boot ? What gives ......
I recommend kdenlive instead of blender for normal video editing
The first time I installed Opensuse this year the distro deleted my Windows 11 EFI partition, It made me angry and I removed it from my computer, I made all the steps with huge attention to detail and even so Opensuse replaced my Windows EFI partition.. I will try to use it again, it was the best Linux I ever used, I saw huge gains in performance on Steam
Lol @ talking about vanilla GNOME as if that's somehow OpenSUSE's accomplishment
Slow updating?
That depends on how many machines you need to update , or are doing experimental installing.
Personally, I made an internal webserver, holding all packages, and do at night an rsync-job.
The first time it might take a long time (depending on your available bandwidth), but once up-to-date, installing or updating goes like greased lightning 🤓
Yes, you need plenty storage, but stays stable, in contrast with periodically released alternatives, like leap, sles, fedora, ununtu.
Gnome, yuck! KDE for me please😉 BTW font rendering is terrible and way to small.
One thing I dont like is when you zypper install a pkg, you then have to wait for the repos to refresh, even when you did dup half an hour before, its so dang slow
You can edit the repo to not auto refresh, but sometimes it will fail to download the package and you'll have to click r to retry, or if you use tumbleweed-cli it doesn't seem to auto refresh, maybe because the repo's are pointed towards a fixed snapshot?
A distro that is rolling isn't stable, it's a matter of nomenclature. You can't just say that a rolling release is stable casually and many times as that's not what stable means
"Completely stable rolling release" LOL you're out of mind.
You're stuck in the past , welcome to the future.
@@dasgeek The future of broken packs that bug the system. What a "great future". I'm stunned.
@@kalilsiqueira8980 I didn't realize there were no bugs in so called stable releases. Shocking!
@@dasgeek there are bugs. Back when I used Linux mint I was on 19.1, and I wanted to upgrade to 19.3, and I had unfixable broken packages. Fixing them did nothing.
The giant upgrade between releases is the true unstable release model. Aka point release.