The firewall in OpenSuse is called firewalld. It’s the default firewall on red hat and fedora and yes, the default firewall settings also sucks there as well.
I have been using tumbleweed for at least 3 months and yeah the experience has been wonderful - feel like an stable system even as a rolling distro thanks to the QA that opensuse does - always using latest kernel, graphic drivers or wayland it helps me a lot with my user case as an nvidia user - snapper is wonderful for people like me that sometimes wants to try something like hyprland and inmediatly backpedal 😅 TumbleWeed stops me for distro hoping (next on the list was Endeavour Os) Now I hope in a future we can use Cosmic DE since im not really a fan of KDE (and yeah i can also use the gnome opensuse patterns in order to install everything for a gnome sesión but i would prefer just one option)
I’ve been on Tumbleweed for about 6 months now. It took me a few days to get it setup like I wanted. I’m using it for home desktop on and media server for plex / jellyfin. 13th gen i7 and two gpu’s. Nvidia P2000 and a RX6700. All working great for what I want. The P2000 covers the transcoding for videos and the RX6700 covers my gaming needs. Can honestly say I’m very pleased with this setup and can’t see any reason for hopping to another one now. Wanted to try a “stable” rolling release and I think I found a perfect fit for my main home desktop.
I can’t believe I just watched a 40 min long video! The real experience over a long duration is of immense value. Your point of view and style of delivery is the real cherry on the cake. I normally skip through tangents and side topics, but not here sir. thanks for sharing. well done and keep up the good work.
The software firewall might not be needed at home but on public Wi-Fi or at work, having dangerous ports closed is a good idea. Still, I think allowing printers and smb at the least on "private" networks by default would be a reasonable compromise. Blocking everything by default is a good way to get someone frustrated enough to just shut it off entirely, which defeats the purpose! Hell, firewall and printer are part of YAST, why not have the YAST printer dialogue ask you if you want to open printer ports on this network when you hit the add printer button?
Been using openSUSE Tumbleweed for about 6 months now after I saw your video and a couple others make videos on it, and I could not be happier. For my workflow I needed something to be more up to date, but Arch was just a little too unstable for me. Tumbleweed is fantastic and I love that I am able to stay up to date with KDE stuff as well.
As an average Fedora enjoy-er who was craving for more stability over a relatively up-to-date system, i went down the rabbit hole of getting to know more about the ecosystem of Linux rolling release distros that were still stable and less painful to maintain, you definitely convinced me on sticking to OpenSUSE. I look forward to see more content like this from your channel, this entire video felt like a pleasant conversation, i really like how natural you made this feel. And yes, the audio was good.
I was flerting with Tumbleweed and wanting using KDE 6. Anyway, I had almost quit this idea (due Tumbleweed is a rolling release distro and I need stability) but changed my mind after seeing the rollback process in this video. I decided give a try to Tumbleweed. It was nice to watch about a real experience from a real person. Thank you.
Your printer story astonishes me. I'm on Opensuse Tumbledweed KDE (KDE Plasma 6.1) since yesterday ... I did, however, very easily installed my HP printer through the KDE settings and NOT through Yast. It worked fine for me
Thank you for this video, I just started daily driving Open SUSE Tumbleweed last week, I had been testing it on and off, and ran into those same beginner problems, the firewall is too aggressive, the printer setup sucks, and I'm glad you mentioned the scanning twice thing because I would've never thought to try that. So far I've observed everything you mentioned, and knowing that those are the biggest cons brings me so much confidence, I think I can finally make the switch to Linux.
Audio is good .. and thanks for the review. I also tried opeSUSE in 97, (from a mag and even buying it - still got the manuals), and like you, I simply couldn't get it to work. The whole experience kinda' soured me from trying it again: until now! YasT really isn't newbee friendly, and I'm a real newbee where Linux is concerned: I'm one of the great many Windows Nomads making our way over from the absolute sh!t show that 11 is becoming, and like the rest: I am trying to find a new home. Article wise, it's a really good software propagation of this rolling release ..
I use Tumbleweed as a daily driver and love it. The snapshots are a godsend and helped me save Suse after the first update borked KDE and some graphics issues. That's the only time I had update issues and it's been flawless besides that. I'd say Suse is the best for European users that want something a bit more complex than Ubuntu or Mint but don't care for Arch. Incredible language and international support. The only complaint I have is zypper. I think it's slow and could use some work, but that's not too big of an issue.
From my experience, I can install OpenSuse from ventoy without a problem. I just have to use the latest version of ventoy and match the usb stick to the right usb ports. For example, usb 3 sticks to usb port 3 or blue.
@@zonadeguerra929 Funny enough. I am using Cachy now. That said, while it is better for my use case, I still think Endeavour is worthwhile. Especially if you are new to the whole Arch thing. I tried Suse. But, had a lot of problems with it and horrible performance ingame. I don't think it's OpenSuse's fault at all. It's a mix of skill issue and hardware stuff.
@@LowTechLinux I've been running it for 2 days now and so far it's smooth sailing. I was used to tinkering with stuff to get it work on Arch. That's pretty much gone. Within an hour I had my system installed, updated, customized and already playing a game. That never happened before. Glad I've stumbled upon your review.
Thanks for this, reviews after the reviewer has actually used s distro for a long time are so much more rewarding than "initial reviews" of a new distro for the reviewer. I have very new hardware and I am now on Arch based Garuda Linux and gaming is super easy (Heroic games launcher for my GOG games, and Steam), just like in windows where you install the game and just start playing, no tweaking in wine and such is needed. But, after a year a update broke the installation, only LTS-kernel works. So I thought it is a good time to try a new distro. Opensuse TW seems to be one to try. Hopefully gaming is as easy as in Garuda and Windows in opensuse too.
OST has a few minor pain in the ass points that I have mentioned many times in other videos, but overall I think it's the best mix of near bleeding edge rolling and hold your hand and help in Linux. Good luck, have fun, and please let me know how it goes for you
Another migrant from Manjaro here, I've had much the same experience. Manjaro ran well and with AUR enabled I never had an issue getting the software I wanted. Still, the guys behind Manjaro are weird and I wanted to get away from arch stuff and I wanted the latest from KDE so I tried fedora and hated it, Tumbleweed has been great for me (minus the printer shenanigans). Every distro has its issues but Manjaro definitely handled the out of box experience better with the printers and codecs. The more limited default repository isn't an issue for me because I actually like flatpak and appimage, I think Linux on the desktop for normies could never happen without the success of them.
Well said. I think we are long lost Linux brothers lol. I've grown to love tumbleweed and many of the frustrating things for me are no longer there since plasma 6 arrived. Like you said they all have their minor issues but I think tumbleweed does the rolling thing the best.
Great video, thank you! With Snapper, what worries me is that only root subvolume is included by default, so it’s not an honest system rollback. I’m quite new to Linux, and want to experiment a lot. Of course VMs are used for that mostly, but sometimes you just can’t get the same experience with VM you could get with pure HW. Take Nvidia drivers as an example, if I’m doing something wrong, I can rollback the root subvolume, but others subvolumes will be kept “broken”. E.g., /opt and /usr/local
I am a programmer and there are python modules that are not widely available for the system with the "python3-" prefix, but it forced me to do venv which is good opsec anyways.
Great video. Would you please do a video or explained how one could use the installer to automatically install a pre-selected list of software that we need for the PC? Say we want the KVM virt manager + other stuff to be installed in one shot during the installation process - how do we go about doing this? Thanks again.
@@LowTechLinux Thanks for replying - yes I am aware that you can manually handpick the software that you wanted during the installation - but was hoping this process can be automated by reading the software choice from a text file? Say if you are going to be installing opensuse on different PCs and each one has very indentical needs, then the installation process can be streamlined to save time - that will be most awesome. And btw, you get a new subscriber :-)
Hello there nice video I enjoyed every second of it. And as a long time openSUSE user myself I agree the firewall and printers are a pain in openSUSE since I first used it around 2005. 😅 Been an issue since forever, never changed and probably never will. Well except for Aeon and Kalpa. Those do not have YaST anymore, firewall is disabled by default and printers are setup via KDEs or Gnoms own setup tools. Which brings me to the actual reason as of why I write this comment. I'd like to hear your take on immutables from someone who probably has tons of experience around Linux than I do. Personally speaking Aeon and Kalpa (MicroOS Deyktops) do appeal a lot to me and with distrobox some get the mutability of any classic distro in a container as on any regular distribution. Which makes it a lot more interesting to hear about the issues with immutables. Or maybe there is a video I haven't seen yet to explain exactly this?
I like the idea behind immutables, but in practice for me they don't work. It's very difficult to do anything even a little extra because things don't work like a normal distro by design. For example installing the inkstitch plugin for inkscape. I'm not a big fan of immutables as they are now but they might be a good option for the elderly grandparents for safe computing. I have these two videos for my experience with micros kde, the opensuse KDE immutable. ua-cam.com/video/zPsWSFxEqlM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/s63ueyFuOXU/v-deo.html
@@LowTechLinux Fair they are probably not for everyone. Some limitations or let say situations where things got a bit messy for me where out of tree kernel drivers or kernel patches/tweaks. Even though they are usually not hard to install using transactional-update they kinda special. Also I found sometimes there are sudden extra hurdles such as the beloved flatpak sandbox which sometimes makes things a little complicated. For example BoxBuddy a UI tool for managing distroboxes is available as flatpak but in order to properly communicated directories to the distrobox located on the host it need extra fiilesystem access. Otherwise it would pass a flatpak / portal path to distrobox which is cant make use of as it is running outside the sandbox. Even though it is described in the docs and affected features are hidden if no proper filesystem access is set fort the flat it requires extra tweaks by the user. At least these are some nuances I ran into the past year of running openSUSE Aeon and Kalpa. Just checked out the inkstich plugin and installed it in the flatpak Inkscape as follows: - Downloaded the *.tar.xz archive from their download page - extracted it to the user extensions path of the flatpak located at: ~/.var/app/org.inkscape.Inkscape/config/inkscape/extensions - Restart inkscape Afterwards a new menu appeared under Extensions -> Ink/Stich. But as I have no experience with this plugin I cant give any more feedback about it except, it seems to be loaded and working. Agreed it would be easier the plugin would be available right at flathub as it is common for some extra Steam Play Tools for the Steam flatpak. Many thanks for your feedback just watched the Kalpa videos after writing the initial comment.
Cool! I love kde as you :) After my time with kde neon and Manjaro i use Garuda as my daily (with dark breeze) theme. Works flawless, I'm suprized. Did you try it? I started to try open suse on same machine , but I'm having issues, sound dispared now, settingsa re mixed with yast and ithe normal kde settings app... I cant see any benefits yet compared to Garuda that runs without any isseus on same machine since long time back.
The only issues I have with Tumbleweed is by default if you log into KDE/Wayland/nvidia your desktop framerate will be about 0.1 fps making even positioning the mouse difficult. Installing the propietry driver fixes it but I see why they still have x11 by default. Still on other distros this does not happen with the open source nvidia driver. Old Nouveau packaged in the installer perhaps? Another gripe is even though openSUSE has been around forever, for some reason it's not as well supported by 3rd party devs as Fedora, Debian/Ubuntu or even Arch. It deserves to be one of the big industry standard distros by now, especially as the default btrfs/snapper integration is better than any of the above.
The video was great and exactly what I was looking for. I relate to your visual preferences, can't stand gnome honestly and need things to be pretty squared off and straight in order to feel good about it.
I ran Manjaro for about 2 years until I broke it. Be careful with dd, lol I made the switch to tumbleweed and couldn't be happier for it. ua-cam.com/video/9LUUqtnM2_o/v-deo.html
@yodasgodfather1957, I’d choose openSUSE over Manjaro. You can get a KDE, GNOME or XFCE live CD for either Leap or Tumbleweed and try before you install.
Hello. Thanks for your detailed interview. The montage you did is very good 🙂. The audio is fine! Suse is nice, personal problem, zypper(slow); lack of some essential packages i use (vpn).
Went to install OpenSuse. One of the longest installs ever! Then it stalls on "installing Packages (46%). Is this like a german car? Looks good but is a maintenance headache? Now I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
@@LowTechLinux I am right now doing a "re-do" I turned off the pc, restarted, and the usb lighting up. Going through another install. Installing Packages..(Remaining: 2.458 GiB, 715 pages). Fingers crossed. THANK YOU for an excellent presentation. I've used linux since 1998 (Red hat). I'm hoping to get into this.
Including a firewall is good idiot proofing for newbies. Linux generally need more stuff like that, sadly, but unlike with MS it should always be easy & possible to turn off for power users.
OpenSUSE and Ventoy : At least Gecko installer works, though Gecko iso is two years old already. But like Tumbleweed should, it updates to current flawlessly.
Great review Dale! And thorough indeed (he said whilst shouting at yast ;-) Exactly the same two issues I had, they can turn new users off indeed. Opi is great, if you just type opi it will show all available options to install. Great you're happy with the Gecko, I was already thinking of returning to it before Plasma 6. Those snapshots might come in handy ;-) Thanks a lot.
I'm a Windows 10 user (mainly gaming on Steam), who has played around with Linux on multile occasions through the years. My first Linux experience was, believe it or not, OpenSuse when it was available in Best Believe. I believe that's where I found the box. They even had OpenBSD :D I'd be interested in playing games like Elden Ring, iRacing, Red Dead Redemption, Valheim on OpenSuse Tumbleweed, but I think the harsh reality is that wouldn't be feasible. I'm also looking for cutting edge BUT STABLE. I'm into STABLE eye candy, and I've never found that on Linux. I think these are two areas (especially the first one) that need a bit more refinement before someone like me could be expected to switch over for the long term.
Let's look at protondb for the titles you listed: Elden Ring and red dead redemption 2 are listed as gold, meaning it might need a tweak but otherwise works as expected. Iracing listed as bronze meaning it works but might have issues Valheim is listed as platinum meaning it works at least as good as it does on Windows. As for stable eye candy, kde plasma 6 will be there soon I think. Currently at 6.1.1 in tumbleweed, and 6.2 should be hitting pretty soon.
Leap has older packages and designed to be more stable than fedora. Tumbleweed is a rolling release and will have newer packages than fedora vs fedora being a 6month cycle point release distro. Tumbleweed uses btrfs and snapper rollback by default making it easier to recover the system if something goes awry. Personally I think tumbleweed does KDE Plasma better than fedora. I have no experience with Nix so can't really comment or compare.
@@LowTechLinux Yes, I found the links to download those versions. But when I did, there was NO option in the menus to TRY instead of install! That's the point. Other versions of Linux allow you to use or try, but not install!
I would like to ask if you experienced any freezes with Tumbleweed? I use Fedora KDE 39 and I had some random freezes or freezes after update. Lately I had freezes in dual monitor mode.
I run dual monitors as well and have never had a freeze on tumbleweed kde, I also use AMD graphics. I do sometimes have to restart plasma after waking my pc back up (which I also had on Manjaro-kde so it's not OST specific). Takes about 2 seconds with alt+f2, and then plasmashell --replace Other than that it's been rock solid
I installed it through steam. Installed easy but you have to tell it to use compatibility. You can also install it through lutris if you already have the standalone installer
@@LowTechLinux thanks for the quick reply, I’ll try out using steam, have heard there are sound issues with NPC dialogues, did you face any such issues?
@@LowTechLinux I returned to windows and found the game stuttering with latest NVIDIA drivers, having frequent crashes with multiple games, will setup my opensuse install tomorrow and let you know if I see any issues. Thanks for the help! :)
the only thing that keeps me away from opensuse is that i feel like it's corporate linux in disguise and so the commununity is mostly suse devs pushing what they want, just like in fedora otherwise i think they do a lot of things right
honestly the relationship/partnership with SuSE and OpenSUSE is a bit wierd. Seems to be a lot of drama right now about separating the 2 a bit more, which I think for the most part is good if they do it right.
@@LowTechLinux very funny to see this now because i've been using tumbleweed for a month now and i'm pretty sure it was because of this video i decided to change.. i have heard about the tensions, to me it looks exactly like the fedora/red hat relationship. both suse and redhat are seeking profitability, and they see desktop linux as a waste of developer payroll. i have read posts from software engineers at both redhat and suse saying desktop is the least of their priorities internally. from my understanding, they would like their engineers to stop working on the whole "desktop experience" and let the community handle it. that's why in the next years we are probably going to see a big push for immutable distros, this is their vision for the future of linux desktop. much more streamlined and easier to maintain.
Yesterday, ArchLinux's bugdates broke some GTK3 crap or Qt shit, now I can't select a file with filechooser to slice from Ultimaker Cura. + The bugdates broke gamepads support (wireless and wired), now I can't play games with my PS4 or XboxOne series gamepads. Thanks to the bugdates, now I can't 3d print, and can't play with any gamepad. It is not acceptable, and I think, I want to avoid bugdates completelly, this is nothing about updates, but bugdates. I never had problems with Slackware, and it has no bugdates, security fixes only. My question is, how stable is OpenSUSE Tumbleweed? + I am really tyred with fckn keys and keyrings, and crap like GNUGP. That system is really bad and prone to break easily soon or later.
Extremely. I've never had an update break my 5 computers in over a year now. I can't say that for the short time I ran Arch. OST also has snapper rollback for easy and quick rolling back if needed.
@@LowTechLinuxThe Rollback function could be very interesting, thanks. Slackware can get too old, because of infrequent releases, for stability without breakages. I just want a rolling without breakages. I had huge breakages with Manjaro (the most), and Void. And I got really tyred.
@vitacell1 it really amazes me how fast snapper will do a rollback. I also have found Tumbleweed to be very comfortable as far as I have zero concerns from one update to the next. Let me know how it goes for you. 👍
@@LowTechLinuxMaybe stupid question, with what desktop you got better battery life? and which one lasts longer xorg or wayland? Do you run KDE with wayland? 38:16 I also have some old Packard Bell laptop from 2006 with crappy BIOS that doesn't support USB booting. Only cd/dvd booting.
I only run KDE plasma, now at kde6 on tumbleweed. I also only run Wayland these days, on AMD graphics it just works better for me than x ever did. I have one really old laptop running Tumbleweed lxqt, which isn't Wayland ready yet. It's super lightweight and does pretty good on that old original battery. Lxqt team has announced they're porting to full Wayland support.
The firewall in OpenSuse is called firewalld. It’s the default firewall on red hat and fedora and yes, the default firewall settings also sucks there as well.
Good to know it's not just OpenSUSE. Thank you
I have been using tumbleweed for at least 3 months and yeah the experience has been wonderful
- feel like an stable system even as a rolling distro thanks to the QA that opensuse does
- always using latest kernel, graphic drivers or wayland it helps me a lot with my user case as an nvidia user
- snapper is wonderful for people like me that sometimes wants to try something like hyprland and inmediatly backpedal 😅
TumbleWeed stops me for distro hoping (next on the list was Endeavour Os)
Now I hope in a future we can use Cosmic DE since im not really a fan of KDE (and yeah i can also use the gnome opensuse patterns in order to install everything for a gnome sesión but i would prefer just one option)
I’ve been on Tumbleweed for about 6 months now. It took me a few days to get it setup like I wanted. I’m using it for home desktop on and media server for plex / jellyfin. 13th gen i7 and two gpu’s. Nvidia P2000 and a RX6700. All working great for what I want. The P2000 covers the transcoding for videos and the RX6700 covers my gaming needs.
Can honestly say I’m very pleased with this setup and can’t see any reason for hopping to another one now. Wanted to try a “stable” rolling release and I think I found a perfect fit for my main home desktop.
Can arch be as stable as tumbleweed 😢
@@not_amanullah Nah. Arch relies on its community purely
I can’t believe I just watched a 40 min long video! The real experience over a long duration is of immense value. Your point of view and style of delivery is the real cherry on the cake. I normally skip through tangents and side topics, but not here sir. thanks for sharing. well done and keep up the good work.
Thank you 😊👍
The software firewall might not be needed at home but on public Wi-Fi or at work, having dangerous ports closed is a good idea. Still, I think allowing printers and smb at the least on "private" networks by default would be a reasonable compromise. Blocking everything by default is a good way to get someone frustrated enough to just shut it off entirely, which defeats the purpose! Hell, firewall and printer are part of YAST, why not have the YAST printer dialogue ask you if you want to open printer ports on this network when you hit the add printer button?
All good points and I like your solution. That would be a very good thing
Been using openSUSE Tumbleweed for about 6 months now after I saw your video and a couple others make videos on it, and I could not be happier. For my workflow I needed something to be more up to date, but Arch was just a little too unstable for me. Tumbleweed is fantastic and I love that I am able to stay up to date with KDE stuff as well.
As an average Fedora enjoy-er who was craving for more stability over a relatively up-to-date system, i went down the rabbit hole of getting to know more about the ecosystem of Linux rolling release distros that were still stable and less painful to maintain, you definitely convinced me on sticking to OpenSUSE. I look forward to see more content like this from your channel, this entire video felt like a pleasant conversation, i really like how natural you made this feel. And yes, the audio was good.
Thank you very much for that 🙂☺️
Cons: It's a PROBLEM and it SUCKS.. UA-cam didn't recommend me this video earlier!
Thanks for the review, subscribed!
😂🤣
Thank you 😁
I was flerting with Tumbleweed and wanting using KDE 6. Anyway, I had almost quit this idea (due Tumbleweed is a rolling release distro and I need stability) but changed my mind after seeing the rollback process in this video. I decided give a try to Tumbleweed. It was nice to watch about a real experience from a real person. Thank you.
Thank you. It works like a charm. Lemme know how it goes for you
Audio's good. Thanks for the great and honest review!
Your printer story astonishes me. I'm on Opensuse Tumbledweed KDE (KDE Plasma 6.1) since yesterday ... I did, however, very easily installed my HP printer through the KDE settings and NOT through Yast. It worked fine for me
I'll try a more recent install and see what happens for me. Thank you for sharing
Wow , have to turn off my fw. No printer in tumbleweed has been the only thing stopping me from using it. Agree 100% with what you are saying.
You can set it to home, but router=hardware firewall off you have that.
Thank you 😁
I appreciate Yast's stability for sure, but man, it's in dire need of some UI love.
I subscribed as soon as I saw that you were a gamer :-) Good video! I loved Manjaro as well! Currently on Debian but really considering Tumbleweed.
Outstanding. Thank you 😬
Give tumbleweed a shot for sure.
Very comprehensive review. Loved it
Thank you
Omg I love your sarcastic way of talking!
Lol thank you ❤️😁
Thanks for the review, very much needed. Starting my journey.
Thank you for this video, I just started daily driving Open SUSE Tumbleweed last week, I had been testing it on and off, and ran into those same beginner problems, the firewall is too aggressive, the printer setup sucks, and I'm glad you mentioned the scanning twice thing because I would've never thought to try that. So far I've observed everything you mentioned, and knowing that those are the biggest cons brings me so much confidence, I think I can finally make the switch to Linux.
Excellent. Glad I could help.
Other than the minor negatives I mentioned I really do think Tumbleweed is the best rolling out there.
Audio is good .. and thanks for the review.
I also tried opeSUSE in 97, (from a mag and even buying it - still got the manuals), and like you, I simply couldn't get it to work.
The whole experience kinda' soured me from trying it again: until now!
YasT really isn't newbee friendly, and I'm a real newbee where Linux is concerned: I'm one of the great many Windows Nomads making our way over from the absolute sh!t show that 11 is becoming, and like the rest: I am trying to find a new home.
Article wise, it's a really good software propagation of this rolling release ..
Man alive i love those games for reals!! You have another Sub bro such a great video and openSUSE is so underrated
Thank you. I agree openSUSE doesn't get as much love as it should
Great video! I'm finding openSUSE Tumbleweed to be solid as well. Great for gaming, development.
i am a game dev but have nvidia
and i dont know Witch distro i should install
Very informative, thank you!
I use Tumbleweed as a daily driver and love it. The snapshots are a godsend and helped me save Suse after the first update borked KDE and some graphics issues. That's the only time I had update issues and it's been flawless besides that. I'd say Suse is the best for European users that want something a bit more complex than Ubuntu or Mint but don't care for Arch. Incredible language and international support. The only complaint I have is zypper. I think it's slow and could use some work, but that's not too big of an issue.
From my experience, I can install OpenSuse from ventoy without a problem. I just have to use the latest version of ventoy and match the usb stick to the right usb ports. For example, usb 3 sticks to usb port 3 or blue.
That's interesting. I'll play around with that a bit
100% agree. Loving tumbleweed but I had the same problems with firewall/printer
Thanks for the firewall info, I'll try it and let you know if it worked, had the same problem with the printers!
watching ur open suse videos u becoming my idol . thx
My distro of choice is EndeavourOS. 99% Arch, no headache. I highly recommend it. :)
suse is better, and cachy os is better than endeavour.
@@zonadeguerra929 Funny enough. I am using Cachy now. That said, while it is better for my use case, I still think Endeavour is worthwhile. Especially if you are new to the whole Arch thing.
I tried Suse. But, had a lot of problems with it and horrible performance ingame. I don't think it's OpenSuse's fault at all. It's a mix of skill issue and hardware stuff.
I've enjoyed this quite a lot. Might give Tumbleweed a try.
Excellent. Would love to hear back about.
@@LowTechLinux I've been running it for 2 days now and so far it's smooth sailing. I was used to tinkering with stuff to get it work on Arch. That's pretty much gone. Within an hour I had my system installed, updated, customized and already playing a game. That never happened before. Glad I've stumbled upon your review.
Thanks for this, reviews after the reviewer has actually used s distro for a long time are so much more rewarding than "initial reviews" of a new distro for the reviewer. I have very new hardware and I am now on Arch based Garuda Linux and gaming is super easy (Heroic games launcher for my GOG games, and Steam), just like in windows where you install the game and just start playing, no tweaking in wine and such is needed. But, after a year a update broke the installation, only LTS-kernel works. So I thought it is a good time to try a new distro. Opensuse TW seems to be one to try. Hopefully gaming is as easy as in Garuda and Windows in opensuse too.
OST has a few minor pain in the ass points that I have mentioned many times in other videos, but overall I think it's the best mix of near bleeding edge rolling and hold your hand and help in Linux. Good luck, have fun, and please let me know how it goes for you
I just installed Tumbleweed on (one of the many drives on) my desktop tower. So far I have to say it's pretty damn great.
Outstanding.
A lot of what I used to gripe about is fixed now since KDE 6 happened.
Thanks for you videos m8, very appreciated. I gonna test Tumbleweed ASAP 😊
How's that testing going?
Timemachine is a full backup, whilst Snapper is "just" a snapshot. That is why Timemachine is slower. I think...
audio seems good to me. Thank you for the incite.
Snapper rollback is 100% the reason I stick with openSUSE. I make mistakes... rollback saves my butt every time.
💯% same. That and I like the near bleeding edge but curated and tested flow of Tumbleweed.
Another migrant from Manjaro here, I've had much the same experience. Manjaro ran well and with AUR enabled I never had an issue getting the software I wanted. Still, the guys behind Manjaro are weird and I wanted to get away from arch stuff and I wanted the latest from KDE so I tried fedora and hated it, Tumbleweed has been great for me (minus the printer shenanigans). Every distro has its issues but Manjaro definitely handled the out of box experience better with the printers and codecs. The more limited default repository isn't an issue for me because I actually like flatpak and appimage, I think Linux on the desktop for normies could never happen without the success of them.
Well said. I think we are long lost Linux brothers lol. I've grown to love tumbleweed and many of the frustrating things for me are no longer there since plasma 6 arrived. Like you said they all have their minor issues but I think tumbleweed does the rolling thing the best.
Great video, thank you! With Snapper, what worries me is that only root subvolume is included by default, so it’s not an honest system rollback. I’m quite new to Linux, and want to experiment a lot. Of course VMs are used for that mostly, but sometimes you just can’t get the same experience with VM you could get with pure HW. Take Nvidia drivers as an example, if I’m doing something wrong, I can rollback the root subvolume, but others subvolumes will be kept “broken”. E.g., /opt and /usr/local
I am a programmer and there are python modules that are not widely available for the system with the "python3-" prefix, but it forced me to do venv which is good opsec anyways.
Great video. Would you please do a video or explained how one could use the installer to automatically install a pre-selected list of software that we need for the PC? Say we want the KVM virt manager + other stuff to be installed in one shot during the installation process - how do we go about doing this? Thanks again.
Can do. I'll see if I can make that happen in the next couple of days. At the end screen of the install you can pick the software that gets installed.
@@LowTechLinux Thanks for replying - yes I am aware that you can manually handpick the software that you wanted during the installation - but was hoping this process can be automated by reading the software choice from a text file? Say if you are going to be installing opensuse on different PCs and each one has very indentical needs, then the installation process can be streamlined to save time - that will be most awesome. And btw, you get a new subscriber :-)
@josephlo4531 I gotchya. I'm actually not sure but it would be good to know. I'll see what I can come up with.
Thanks for the sub 😁
Hello there nice video I enjoyed every second of it. And as a long time openSUSE user myself I agree the firewall and printers are a pain in openSUSE since I first used it around 2005. 😅 Been an issue since forever, never changed and probably never will. Well except for Aeon and Kalpa. Those do not have YaST anymore, firewall is disabled by default and printers are setup via KDEs or Gnoms own setup tools.
Which brings me to the actual reason as of why I write this comment.
I'd like to hear your take on immutables from someone who probably has tons of experience around Linux than I do. Personally speaking Aeon and Kalpa (MicroOS Deyktops) do appeal a lot to me and with distrobox some get the mutability of any classic distro in a container as on any regular distribution. Which makes it a lot more interesting to hear about the issues with immutables. Or maybe there is a video I haven't seen yet to explain exactly this?
I like the idea behind immutables, but in practice for me they don't work. It's very difficult to do anything even a little extra because things don't work like a normal distro by design. For example installing the inkstitch plugin for inkscape.
I'm not a big fan of immutables as they are now but they might be a good option for the elderly grandparents for safe computing.
I have these two videos for my experience with micros kde, the opensuse KDE immutable.
ua-cam.com/video/zPsWSFxEqlM/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/s63ueyFuOXU/v-deo.html
@@LowTechLinux Fair they are probably not for everyone. Some limitations or let say situations where things got a bit messy for me where out of tree kernel drivers or kernel patches/tweaks. Even though they are usually not hard to install using transactional-update they kinda special. Also I found sometimes there are sudden extra hurdles such as the beloved flatpak sandbox which sometimes makes things a little complicated. For example BoxBuddy a UI tool for managing distroboxes is available as flatpak but in order to properly communicated directories to the distrobox located on the host it need extra fiilesystem access. Otherwise it would pass a flatpak / portal path to distrobox which is cant make use of as it is running outside the sandbox. Even though it is described in the docs and affected features are hidden if no proper filesystem access is set fort the flat it requires extra tweaks by the user. At least these are some nuances I ran into the past year of running openSUSE Aeon and Kalpa.
Just checked out the inkstich plugin and installed it in the flatpak Inkscape as follows:
- Downloaded the *.tar.xz archive from their download page
- extracted it to the user extensions path of the flatpak located at: ~/.var/app/org.inkscape.Inkscape/config/inkscape/extensions
- Restart inkscape
Afterwards a new menu appeared under Extensions -> Ink/Stich.
But as I have no experience with this plugin I cant give any more feedback about it except, it seems to be loaded and working.
Agreed it would be easier the plugin would be available right at flathub as it is common for some extra Steam Play Tools for the Steam flatpak.
Many thanks for your feedback just watched the Kalpa videos after writing the initial comment.
Sounds good. They may have fixed the issue I had with inkstitch. I'll give it another go sometime in the near future. Thank you for the feedback
By the way, on old hardware I use to intall Debian 12 kde. Perfect choice for some customers and friends
Cool! I love kde as you :) After my time with kde neon and Manjaro i use Garuda as my daily (with dark breeze) theme. Works flawless, I'm suprized. Did you try it? I started to try open suse on same machine , but I'm having issues, sound dispared now, settingsa re mixed with yast and ithe normal kde settings app... I cant see any benefits yet compared to Garuda that runs without any isseus on same machine since long time back.
Timeshift can be as snappy, as long as you're running BTRFS
Good to know. I'd never used btrfs with timeshift but that makes sense. Thank you
The only issues I have with Tumbleweed is by default if you log into KDE/Wayland/nvidia your desktop framerate will be about 0.1 fps making even positioning the mouse difficult. Installing the propietry driver fixes it but I see why they still have x11 by default. Still on other distros this does not happen with the open source nvidia driver. Old Nouveau packaged in the installer perhaps?
Another gripe is even though openSUSE has been around forever, for some reason it's not as well supported by 3rd party devs as Fedora, Debian/Ubuntu or even Arch. It deserves to be one of the big industry standard distros by now, especially as the default btrfs/snapper integration is better than any of the above.
using tumbleweed for a year made me confident to try arch
Good insight. Thanks for the review.
Thank you
The video was great and exactly what I was looking for. I relate to your visual preferences, can't stand gnome honestly and need things to be pretty squared off and straight in order to feel good about it.
If you had a choice between open Susie or Manjaro, which one would you pick?
I ran Manjaro for about 2 years until I broke it. Be careful with dd, lol
I made the switch to tumbleweed and couldn't be happier for it.
ua-cam.com/video/9LUUqtnM2_o/v-deo.html
@@LowTechLinux okay I haven't tried opensuse so might try it even though I have no idea about their package manager
Zypper is good but it is definitely slower than pamac/pacman. I just have comfort in knowing tumbleweed updates won't break my system.
@yodasgodfather1957,
I’d choose openSUSE over Manjaro.
You can get a KDE, GNOME or XFCE live CD for either Leap or Tumbleweed and try before you install.
Hello.
Thanks for your detailed interview. The montage you did is very good 🙂. The audio is fine!
Suse is nice, personal problem, zypper(slow); lack of some essential packages i use (vpn).
Installing it now!
14 days ago, you liking it or nah?
@@LowTechLinuxyeah it’s been great. Still early days though.
Went to install OpenSuse. One of the longest installs ever! Then it stalls on "installing Packages (46%). Is this like a german car? Looks good but is a maintenance headache? Now I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
Use the offline image. When it says do you want to activate online repos say no. Should fix it.
@@LowTechLinux I am right now doing a "re-do" I turned off the pc, restarted, and the usb lighting up. Going through another install. Installing Packages..(Remaining: 2.458 GiB, 715 pages). Fingers crossed. THANK YOU for an excellent presentation. I've used linux since 1998 (Red hat). I'm hoping to get into this.
Awesome. 98 for me as well.
How'd it go that time?
Is this rollback process an out-of-the-box, standard experience in openSUSE? Can you have it using ext4 or does it require btrfs for instance?
It is the default ootb set up but ootb requires btrfs to work. I haven't tried any other setup with it.
Including a firewall is good idiot proofing for newbies. Linux generally need more stuff like that, sadly, but unlike with MS it should always be easy & possible to turn off for power users.
Why not Fedora? It has similar gaming expirience.
I don't much like fedora kde but.... I am about to release my review of fedora 40 KDE.
Thanks!
OpenSUSE and Ventoy : At least Gecko installer works, though Gecko iso is two years old already. But like Tumbleweed should, it updates to current flawlessly.
Great review Dale! And thorough indeed (he said whilst shouting at yast ;-) Exactly the same two issues I had, they can turn new users off indeed. Opi is great, if you just type opi it will show all available options to install. Great you're happy with the Gecko, I was already thinking of returning to it before Plasma 6. Those snapshots might come in handy ;-) Thanks a lot.
I'm a Windows 10 user (mainly gaming on Steam), who has played around with Linux on multile occasions through the years. My first Linux experience was, believe it or not, OpenSuse when it was available in Best Believe. I believe that's where I found the box. They even had OpenBSD :D
I'd be interested in playing games like Elden Ring, iRacing, Red Dead Redemption, Valheim on OpenSuse Tumbleweed, but I think the harsh reality is that wouldn't be feasible. I'm also looking for cutting edge BUT STABLE. I'm into STABLE eye candy, and I've never found that on Linux. I think these are two areas (especially the first one) that need a bit more refinement before someone like me could be expected to switch over for the long term.
Let's look at protondb for the titles you listed:
Elden Ring and red dead redemption 2 are listed as gold, meaning it might need a tweak but otherwise works as expected.
Iracing listed as bronze meaning it works but might have issues
Valheim is listed as platinum meaning it works at least as good as it does on Windows.
As for stable eye candy, kde plasma 6 will be there soon I think. Currently at 6.1.1 in tumbleweed, and 6.2 should be hitting pretty soon.
@@LowTechLinux So, gaming's ALMOST there for Linux, for me anyway.
How does Open Suse compare to Fedora and Nix OS?
Leap has older packages and designed to be more stable than fedora.
Tumbleweed is a rolling release and will have newer packages than fedora vs fedora being a 6month cycle point release distro. Tumbleweed uses btrfs and snapper rollback by default making it easier to recover the system if something goes awry.
Personally I think tumbleweed does KDE Plasma better than fedora.
I have no experience with Nix so can't really comment or compare.
WHERE can you get an ISO file of Tumbleweed or Leap from Open Suse to TRY on a thumb drive?
I haven't been able to find one yet.
opensuse.org
@@LowTechLinux That was the first place I looked, and I couldn't find.
@@jakobw135
Tumbleweed: get.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/
Leap 15.6: get.opensuse.org/leap/15.6/
@@LowTechLinux Yes, I found the links to download those versions. But when I did, there was NO option in the menus to TRY instead of install!
That's the point.
Other versions of Linux allow you to use or try, but not install!
@@jakobw135 go to the downloads page, click alternatives, find your live. it's there
I would like to ask if you experienced any freezes with Tumbleweed? I use Fedora KDE 39 and I had some random freezes or freezes after update. Lately I had freezes in dual monitor mode.
I run dual monitors as well and have never had a freeze on tumbleweed kde, I also use AMD graphics. I do sometimes have to restart plasma after waking my pc back up (which I also had on Manjaro-kde so it's not OST specific). Takes about 2 seconds with alt+f2, and then plasmashell --replace
Other than that it's been rock solid
@@LowTechLinux I'll give Tumbleweed a try. Thank you for your answer.
How did you install Skyrim on opensuse?
I installed it through steam. Installed easy but you have to tell it to use compatibility. You can also install it through lutris if you already have the standalone installer
@@LowTechLinux thanks for the quick reply, I’ll try out using steam, have heard there are sound issues with NPC dialogues, did you face any such issues?
I've had no issues. Plays like a charm. Can't remember which proton version I set it to. If you have issues let me know and I'll check after work.
@@LowTechLinux I returned to windows and found the game stuttering with latest NVIDIA drivers, having frequent crashes with multiple games, will setup my opensuse install tomorrow and let you know if I see any issues. Thanks for the help! :)
I was able to run it successfully with compatibility mode turned on, getting around 40-60 FPS
the only thing that keeps me away from opensuse is that i feel like it's corporate linux in disguise and so the commununity is mostly suse devs pushing what they want, just like in fedora
otherwise i think they do a lot of things right
honestly the relationship/partnership with SuSE and OpenSUSE is a bit wierd. Seems to be a lot of drama right now about separating the 2 a bit more, which I think for the most part is good if they do it right.
@@LowTechLinux very funny to see this now because i've been using tumbleweed for a month now and i'm pretty sure it was because of this video i decided to change..
i have heard about the tensions, to me it looks exactly like the fedora/red hat relationship.
both suse and redhat are seeking profitability, and they see desktop linux as a waste of developer payroll.
i have read posts from software engineers at both redhat and suse saying desktop is the least of their priorities internally.
from my understanding, they would like their engineers to stop working on the whole "desktop experience" and let the community handle it.
that's why in the next years we are probably going to see a big push for immutable distros, this is their vision for the future of linux desktop. much more streamlined and easier to maintain.
Yesterday, ArchLinux's bugdates broke some GTK3 crap or Qt shit, now I can't select a file with filechooser to slice from Ultimaker Cura. + The bugdates broke gamepads support (wireless and wired), now I can't play games with my PS4 or XboxOne series gamepads. Thanks to the bugdates, now I can't 3d print, and can't play with any gamepad.
It is not acceptable, and I think, I want to avoid bugdates completelly, this is nothing about updates, but bugdates. I never had problems with Slackware, and it has no bugdates, security fixes only. My question is, how stable is OpenSUSE Tumbleweed?
+ I am really tyred with fckn keys and keyrings, and crap like GNUGP. That system is really bad and prone to break easily soon or later.
Extremely. I've never had an update break my 5 computers in over a year now. I can't say that for the short time I ran Arch. OST also has snapper rollback for easy and quick rolling back if needed.
@@LowTechLinuxThe Rollback function could be very interesting, thanks. Slackware can get too old, because of infrequent releases, for stability without breakages. I just want a rolling without breakages. I had huge breakages with Manjaro (the most), and Void. And I got really tyred.
@vitacell1 it really amazes me how fast snapper will do a rollback. I also have found Tumbleweed to be very comfortable as far as I have zero concerns from one update to the next. Let me know how it goes for you. 👍
@@LowTechLinuxMaybe stupid question, with what desktop you got better battery life? and which one lasts longer xorg or wayland? Do you run KDE with wayland?
38:16 I also have some old Packard Bell laptop from 2006 with crappy BIOS that doesn't support USB booting. Only cd/dvd booting.
I only run KDE plasma, now at kde6 on tumbleweed. I also only run Wayland these days, on AMD graphics it just works better for me than x ever did. I have one really old laptop running Tumbleweed lxqt, which isn't Wayland ready yet. It's super lightweight and does pretty good on that old original battery. Lxqt team has announced they're porting to full Wayland support.
Please mask your ip
Good idea
@@LowTechLinux Hi you should take actions now such as blur or someone could do the dirty will affect you. Have a good day
@@plutorocks1if its dynamic then its not a problem really. Just a router reboot and no problem
Most IPs are dynamic with devices.
Take it easy, man. You sound a little sociopath.. Enjoy your linux, Tumbleweed is the very best of all.
you should play call of duty ww3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Opensuse tumbleweed with kde latest and stable 🤍💚