Glad you covered the updated Mercedes diesel hybrid drivetrain. Steering wheeling is horrible. The rear window wiper should be tucked up under the spoiler- currently looks like a wiper from a mini cooper.
A car like this requires a 6 cyls, full stop. I can see the sense for entering LEZ, having anyway an ICE outside them. Very bulky thing for european roads and parking lots. Fair review as always.
Kudos for Mk1 C4 Cactus on the phone start screen 👍😁.... And since we mentioned Citroën, weren't they one of the first that had a diesel hybrid cars 10-15 years back?
You are right. When DS5 was still Citroen DS5 it had a diesel HEV option. And so did the original Peugeot 508 RXH at the time. Peugeot was AWD with rear wheels powered by an electric motor. Not sure how it was done in the Citroen.
Thanks Marek, nice review, again. What did you call the particular flavor of luxury of Mazda? Couldn't catch the word.. Anyway, I chose it, i know when something breaks it will be 2 owners after me + it's tech-y enough for me. Great vids, by the way!
lol it gets the same, maybe 5 miles more range as my 13 year old chevy volt, gets about 10-20% more mpg on the motor, and only costs 100k usd or 16x more than what i paid for my car. the us is probably the only place on earth that has cheap 2nd hand phev's that no one knows about still. i mean its a new car and a murdersadies benz... but i dont know how someone can think theyre saving any money in a new car. phev's in the us are selling like hot cakes right now, jpn mfg are limiting the number built to like 10% of total inventory and only specing them as the highest trim levels coz they know they can.
Well, the full electric EQE starts at 94k CAD here and the GLE petrol 2L PHEV starts at 90k. Hummmmm For most buying these vehicles it's about how you show up at the private school so if you are buying to show how green you are I'd say EQE. Otherwise go and buy a regular GLE and save a lot.
If I had kids and took them to a private school, I'd want them to be taken there in nothing less than a G500. I'm not into G63. That's just poor taste :)
@@MarekDrivesENG LOL. You are a fancy boy. Look up the Oscar Peterson school of Music. Our kids go there. If we aren’t walking over, I park my car around the corner. LOL.
What troll builds a stadium next to a music school? 🤣 Anyway, StreetView shows construction, so I don't know what kind of crowd sits there in traffic at 8 AM.
@@MarekDrivesENG That stadium has been there for a very long time. It's part of the University of Toronto. Actually if you google map around that area it's really beautiful. The Campus is huge. Been there for hundreds of yrs. The construction is building bike lanes.
This guy's channel is the best. Always speaks facts backed by truth and reveals all the annoyances and drawbacks of newer models. All other youtubers are just promoting the brands to get engagement and possibly money from the producers.
6-cylinder power all the way. Problem with PHEV’s is once the battery is flat, you are just carrying around 300kgs of dead batteries and motors and expecting the standard engine to deal with it. Only reason you might want this car is for tax purposes. Other than that, it’s a waste of time.
Yes, it seems like a compliance powertrain. Having said that, I imagine in some parts of the world it makes sense. Long motorway trips, and then zero emissions pottering around town. In a 2.5 ton SUV, but that's the world we live in.
@@MarekDrivesENGThat's basically all of urban and suburban North America. Only New York, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia have reasonably comprehensive public transportation in the USA.
Wait you can't charge while driving? So when you are on the highway and your battery is at partial/no charge you just waste fuel and are causing more emissions then you should be since you have to keep driving on diesel when the battery runs out?
Not exactly. The traction battery has a a buffer for use as a regular hybrid, and that buffer gets recharged with excess kinetic energy. However most (or all) carmakers deleted the option to charge the traction battery to full on longer journeys (probably due to emissions restrictions), which IMO makes PHEVs somewhat less attractive.
Diesel inline six in the GLE all the way, of course. Aside from that the Diesel hybrid is interesting for a very specific use case, combining long range cruise (on Diesel) with short(ish) range zero emission driving from/to location of short shopping trips in the suburbs (all on battery). A hybrid inline six Diesel would be interesting ...
What is killing my brand loyalty of Merc is all the unnessesary double, tripple and even quattro ways to change a setting. Overkill and money money baiting
PHEVS are simultaneously the best and worst of both worlds, but with EV infrastructure the way it is here and being a single car family it's the drivetrain closest to fulfilling 100% of my needs. I can't say I'm a fan of this car, feels like too much tech and not enough luxury. To me luxury should be effortless but having touch sensitive buttons and the extra touch screen just seems like more stress.
That's the problem with new cars. European carmakers claim their research shows new buyers (Chinese buyers allegedly) want karaoke in their cars, and they oblige. I don't think people need or want karaoke in their cars, but what do I know? Touchscreens make it easier to implement new safety features, as well as leave an open gate to selling subscription services. To me this is a double edged sword, because a good salesperson will help me spec the car up beyond what I need, but who cares, since I've already paid for it. Meanwhile the option to test out certain features, and then decide I don't need them, may not be the effect carmakers want. But then again, if they want to sell cars online without a salesperson, then there's no way for them to convince me I need this or that feature.
After all this time, I still can't believe how bad that Lexus RX was on the diagonal. I really liked it and I shortlisted it but even if I rarely go offroad, I can't afford to get stuck in such a simple scenario.
"As expected, the GLE doesn't notice this obstacle even with traction control off, because unlike the Lexus RX, in which the rear axle is driven by an electric motor and the front by an internal combustion engine, the Mercedes' 4MATIC AWD system controls both axles." Also: ua-cam.com/video/06CFFLApRY4/v-deo.htmlsi=0QVndbtqNLP7_a6s&t=490
The problem with most diesel hybrids is that you WILL know when the engine starts, let alone when it kicks in. I wonder how this car does in this regard.
Full hybrid with diesel is a way to GO.
Glad you covered the updated Mercedes diesel hybrid drivetrain. Steering wheeling is horrible. The rear window wiper should be tucked up under the spoiler- currently looks like a wiper from a mini cooper.
People hate back seat drivers already, but giving them a tablet to Dik around with stuff 😮 what were Mercedes thinking. 😂
Polo 6c 1.4 diesel with remap for 115hp/280nm is all you need. 80MPG + on longer runs.
Wish we had these in the us
A car like this requires a 6 cyls, full stop. I can see the sense for entering LEZ, having anyway an ICE outside them. Very bulky thing for european roads and parking lots. Fair review as always.
F1 cars have 1.6 engines with at least 800hp. To travel with top 130km/h is enough 150hp
Kudos for Mk1 C4 Cactus on the phone start screen 👍😁....
And since we mentioned Citroën, weren't they one of the first that had a diesel hybrid cars 10-15 years back?
You are right. When DS5 was still Citroen DS5 it had a diesel HEV option. And so did the original Peugeot 508 RXH at the time. Peugeot was AWD with rear wheels powered by an electric motor. Not sure how it was done in the Citroen.
@@MarekDrivesENG with DS5 it was the same...
North America only gets the GLE450e gas plug in
Thanks Marek, nice review, again.
What did you call the particular flavor of luxury of Mazda? Couldn't catch the word..
Anyway, I chose it, i know when something breaks it will be 2 owners after me + it's tech-y enough for me.
Great vids, by the way!
Plebeian 🤣
I've tried a few times to like, but it always comes out as unnecessary complexity over functionality.
lol it gets the same, maybe 5 miles more range as my 13 year old chevy volt, gets about 10-20% more mpg on the motor, and only costs 100k usd or 16x more than what i paid for my car. the us is probably the only place on earth that has cheap 2nd hand phev's that no one knows about still. i mean its a new car and a murdersadies benz... but i dont know how someone can think theyre saving any money in a new car. phev's in the us are selling like hot cakes right now, jpn mfg are limiting the number built to like 10% of total inventory and only specing them as the highest trim levels coz they know they can.
And yet I'd rather drive this, than the Volt :)
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Well, the full electric EQE starts at 94k CAD here and the GLE petrol 2L PHEV starts at 90k. Hummmmm For most buying these vehicles it's about how you show up at the private school so if you are buying to show how green you are I'd say EQE. Otherwise go and buy a regular GLE and save a lot.
If I had kids and took them to a private school, I'd want them to be taken there in nothing less than a G500. I'm not into G63. That's just poor taste :)
@@MarekDrivesENG LOL. You are a fancy boy. Look up the Oscar Peterson school of Music. Our kids go there. If we aren’t walking over, I park my car around the corner. LOL.
What troll builds a stadium next to a music school? 🤣
Anyway, StreetView shows construction, so I don't know what kind of crowd sits there in traffic at 8 AM.
@@MarekDrivesENG That stadium has been there for a very long time. It's part of the University of Toronto. Actually if you google map around that area it's really beautiful. The Campus is huge. Been there for hundreds of yrs. The construction is building bike lanes.
Well, in that case you should consider buying some cargo bikes from the Netherlands, and bring your kids to school in those :)
Full hybrid is the to go, no plugging it in to charge the battery and still have the ICE to drive longer distances.
We need a GLE450de with a 6 Cyclinder
Voyah free 1.5 phev for 38000usd in China technically is a step ahead than this, for much less price . Too bad we can't try it in eu market .
This guy's channel is the best. Always speaks facts backed by truth and reveals all the annoyances and drawbacks of newer models.
All other youtubers are just promoting the brands to get engagement and possibly money from the producers.
6-cylinder power all the way.
Problem with PHEV’s is once the battery is flat, you are just carrying around 300kgs of dead batteries and motors and expecting the standard engine to deal with it.
Only reason you might want this car is for tax purposes.
Other than that, it’s a waste of time.
The battery recharges as you drive around. It’s never dead weight.
Yes, it seems like a compliance powertrain. Having said that, I imagine in some parts of the world it makes sense. Long motorway trips, and then zero emissions pottering around town. In a 2.5 ton SUV, but that's the world we live in.
@alliejr actually it no longer does. Not entirely anyway. Just a small portion of it that allows you to drive this car like a Prius.
@@MarekDrivesENGThat's basically all of urban and suburban North America. Only New York, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia have reasonably comprehensive public transportation in the USA.
Or if you drive electric - you are carrying around heavy internal combustion engine and maintaining it for lots of money.
And would go for an E class All Terrain anytime instead.
Wait you can't charge while driving? So when you are on the highway and your battery is at partial/no charge you just waste fuel and are causing more emissions then you should be since you have to keep driving on diesel when the battery runs out?
Not exactly. The traction battery has a a buffer for use as a regular hybrid, and that buffer gets recharged with excess kinetic energy. However most (or all) carmakers deleted the option to charge the traction battery to full on longer journeys (probably due to emissions restrictions), which IMO makes PHEVs somewhat less attractive.
Diesel inline six in the GLE all the way, of course. Aside from that the Diesel hybrid is interesting for a very specific use case, combining long range cruise (on Diesel) with short(ish) range zero emission driving from/to location of short shopping trips in the suburbs (all on battery). A hybrid inline six Diesel would be interesting ...
What is killing my brand loyalty of Merc is all the unnessesary double, tripple and even quattro ways to change a setting. Overkill and money money baiting
Ahhh I want one!! To bad it´s €50 000 to expensive for me.
I like dizel
From 01:00 Tecno scene from Polish is very, veeryyy goood 😄... Klaudia Gawlas, Deas....ETC
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PHEVS are simultaneously the best and worst of both worlds, but with EV infrastructure the way it is here and being a single car family it's the drivetrain closest to fulfilling 100% of my needs.
I can't say I'm a fan of this car, feels like too much tech and not enough luxury. To me luxury should be effortless but having touch sensitive buttons and the extra touch screen just seems like more stress.
That's the problem with new cars. European carmakers claim their research shows new buyers (Chinese buyers allegedly) want karaoke in their cars, and they oblige. I don't think people need or want karaoke in their cars, but what do I know? Touchscreens make it easier to implement new safety features, as well as leave an open gate to selling subscription services. To me this is a double edged sword, because a good salesperson will help me spec the car up beyond what I need, but who cares, since I've already paid for it. Meanwhile the option to test out certain features, and then decide I don't need them, may not be the effect carmakers want. But then again, if they want to sell cars online without a salesperson, then there's no way for them to convince me I need this or that feature.
After all this time, I still can't believe how bad that Lexus RX was on the diagonal. I really liked it and I shortlisted it but even if I rarely go offroad, I can't afford to get stuck in such a simple scenario.
Assuming you'd keep traction control on, it would be OK.
@@MarekDrivesENG You mean if the traction control is on, it can do a diagonal up-hill? The issue is only with traction control off?
"As expected, the GLE doesn't notice this obstacle even with traction control off, because unlike the Lexus RX, in which the rear axle is driven by an electric motor and the front by an internal combustion engine, the Mercedes' 4MATIC AWD system controls both axles."
Also:
ua-cam.com/video/06CFFLApRY4/v-deo.htmlsi=0QVndbtqNLP7_a6s&t=490
The problem with most diesel hybrids is that you WILL know when the engine starts, let alone when it kicks in. I wonder how this car does in this regard.
It's not as loud, as you'd expect from a diesel. Or maybe it's soundproofing.
@@MarekDrivesENG Thankfully, then, as a Merc should do!