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  • Опубліковано 9 січ 2023
  • Hello, GWAPO here! While Scathe has its niches, it is terrible in most cases.
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    About Mindustry → Mindustry is a factory-building game with tower defense and RTS elements. Create elaborate supply chains to feed ammo into your turrets, produce materials to use for building, and construct units. Command units to capture enemy bases, and expand your production. Defend your core from waves of enemies.
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  • @UEnrift
    @UEnrift Рік тому +75

    Scathe
    +Looks cool
    +High damage
    +big range
    +radar
    -carbide go gone
    -shit building damage
    -poor accuracy easyly dodgeable
    -Air is immune to
    -Missile can be shot down
    -You wouldn't use it unless sandbox

    • @seventeen777
      @seventeen777 Рік тому +8

      1:09 its a pretty terrible radar now :/

    • @tam_69420
      @tam_69420 Рік тому

      i actually used it in crossroads to take out a few afflicts on the right, it didnt take that much time or ammo for it to be boring, its incredibly weak but there are situations

    • @toramaru2490
      @toramaru2490 7 місяців тому

      Scathe is good if and only if you really want to smack MR CRAB out of existence. I think it's the only good stationary counter for mr crab.

  • @sweeternickel70
    @sweeternickel70 Рік тому +100

    The fact that the missle scan be shot down is more to keep the tower balanced

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Рік тому +17

      fair

    • @sharkenjoyer
      @sharkenjoyer 8 місяців тому +5

      You know you can make it balanced without making it dogshit

    • @QuangLe-ob3lw
      @QuangLe-ob3lw 6 місяців тому +2

      Core defend is what scathe can do since the range from core to the enemy pretty high and also in pvp enemy cant build inside the core range to having them inside will make enemy have ground attack aware alot

  • @Foreshadow
    @Foreshadow Рік тому +61

    Scathe:
    1. Use VERY expensive ammo(20 carbide/shot);
    2. Has a very low DpS (even less than the Titan turret, which complete similar tasks);
    3. Can be destroyed by anti-air projectiles and rockets.
    4. Can be distracted by incompatible cheap buildings.
    In short, it's a Rock Bottom in Mindustry.

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Рік тому +14

      I didn't even know the missiles used 20 carbide per shot after making the video and I already called it trash

    • @tripleE34
      @tripleE34 Рік тому +1

      Everything when spamed becomes op, I got wrecked once by scathe spam 💀, I think trash is an understatement for me

    • @nerfjanetreal
      @nerfjanetreal 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@tripleE34the carbide producion and power for scathe spam:

  • @iR-80
    @iR-80 Рік тому +37

    it's like a foreshadow but you take away most of what makes it good

    • @Foreshadow
      @Foreshadow Рік тому +5

      Despite high range, Scathe is bullshit, because it has very low DpS and consumes a lot of carbide

    • @iR-80
      @iR-80 Рік тому +5

      @@Foreshadow Exactly, it's like if you took a foreshadow and sacrificed everything that made it good to give it an absurd amount of range that it can't even use most of the time

  • @shaydenprime275
    @shaydenprime275 5 місяців тому +7

    At least it outranges collaris. But the real issue is the ammo. Even a 400% carbide factory cant keep up with 1 scathe

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  5 місяців тому +2

      yeah it eats carbide like silicon, though the ammo cost has been reduced to 15 so it's better now

  • @dangductran2926
    @dangductran2926 Рік тому +10

    And we still haven't talk about how it take 20 carbide just to miss an elude.

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Рік тому +3

      rip carbide

  • @Danc3R4ve
    @Danc3R4ve Рік тому +8

    this item is used only for its view, you're meant to defend this because while an enemy base is in view, they don't rebuild (assuming they are AI and not players).
    it has practical use, you're using it wrong if you're filling it with 20 carbide!

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Рік тому +4

      Its view range got nerfed twice, so...

    • @Danc3R4ve
      @Danc3R4ve Рік тому +3

      @@Gwapo i still think even with half of what it was in the version im using you can still use it for that purpose. idk bout you.

  • @Apolitical_tortoise
    @Apolitical_tortoise Рік тому +7

    At least it can be use for big radar.

  • @dylanherrera5395
    @dylanherrera5395 3 місяці тому +1

    i was playing a mixtech server, they used scathes to blow up my thorium reactors

  • @EmpireOfTheUnáty
    @EmpireOfTheUnáty Місяць тому

    I remember the first and last time I used it, is when it decided to use all of my resources to shoot enemy walls that weren't even connected to the main enemy base for the entire game until I destroyed the base.

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Місяць тому

      carbide killer 💀

  • @letter_o_hyphen_letter_o
    @letter_o_hyphen_letter_o День тому

    Isn't the reduced building damage a thing for *all* turrets?

  • @izzatdjx
    @izzatdjx Рік тому +4

    Scathe is useful but only radar that so big range than classic radar so i can see enemy what are doing :)

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Рік тому +2

      but the range has been nerfed twice

  • @STEALT_BLADE
    @STEALT_BLADE 8 місяців тому +1

    scathe is good from attacks from far and the enemy turning can be used to advantage
    tanks and enemies dont turn that quickly making a scathe good for backstabbing and distraction
    rockets can distract enemies which will try to get the rocket down which gives time for your defences to destroy them

  • @yangxueleialexmusicloverra101
    @yangxueleialexmusicloverra101 Рік тому +2

    Have view range is the point, you can see where the base or units from the opponent.

    • @seventeen777
      @seventeen777 Рік тому

      1:09 not anymore I'm afraid

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Рік тому +3

      the one thing that scathe was good at and it was nerfed 😂

  • @matteocdt5214
    @matteocdt5214 Рік тому

    that view range tho....

  • @Kongozzy8412
    @Kongozzy8412 2 місяці тому

    It's probably not intended for a main damage dealer. it's most likely to be used for a long-range softener that weakens large groups so that other turrets will have an easier time dealthihg with them

  • @That.-
    @That.- 28 днів тому

    I usually just control the rocket

  • @dangductran2926
    @dangductran2926 Рік тому +4

    Scathe is foreshadow but:
    Can't shoot air.
    Less damage.
    Slower firerate.
    More expensive ammo.
    Can miss (miss most of the time).
    Stoppable.

  • @bosmetal3341
    @bosmetal3341 Рік тому

    The turret is pretty weak to structures, But it does destroy units thats for sure

  • @TTacxaJlKa_Ha_14
    @TTacxaJlKa_Ha_14 Рік тому +1

    Malign:
    1)Uses Ton Of Energy(Every Type Of Heat Uses Energy)
    2) Bad Aiming
    3) Uses Lot Of Space.
    4) Large Cost(Like Ravage, But Ravage Uses Only Surge And Water As Coolant, Malign Doesn't Have Coolant And Heat Makers Uses Lot Of Space)
    Ravage:
    1) Uses Surge As Ammo(Large Production Of Them Available)
    3) Doesn't Need Lots Of Energy
    4) Good Via Large Amounts Of Units
    5) Like Malign, Uses 5x5 Tiles
    (It's All Plus For Ravage, Not 5, It's Minus)

    • @toramaru2490
      @toramaru2490 7 місяців тому

      Manual malign is crazy tho. And people usually pair malign with the big ass reactor that produce red cancer (I forgot the name). All and all its not that bad for requirements

  • @user-br8zo4mx8q
    @user-br8zo4mx8q Місяць тому

    i found only one use - its have big range and it shows you big area so its big radar but witout energy consumption but its not cheap

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Місяць тому

      radar but it eats your carbide

  • @random_the_man
    @random_the_man Рік тому +2

    Radar on steroids

  • @horizonbravov2188
    @horizonbravov2188 Рік тому +1

    foreshadow over shadows this

  • @Oladushek.
    @Oladushek. Місяць тому

    Эта турель нужна чисто для того чтобы её использовал противник в компании на Эрекире.

  • @hromotimo
    @hromotimo 6 днів тому

    I used it in siege and destroyed the neighbour bases, but ammo is actually expensive

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  4 години тому +1

      carbide eater

  • @YouTµbe
    @YouTµbe 4 місяці тому

    In the game code, missiles are actually units

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  2 місяці тому

      yep

  • @Zeltalonle
    @Zeltalonle 8 місяців тому

    Scathe missile count as a unit,so it can be shotdown

  • @taoqlee28
    @taoqlee28 Рік тому +2

    lol new patch abt scathe losing sightline lol

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Рік тому

      it got nerfed twice

  • @finaltheory778
    @finaltheory778 Рік тому

    Over-balancing?

  • @igorka5exe
    @igorka5exe 9 місяців тому

    it's fun to fight tho

  • @YangGeometryDash
    @YangGeometryDash 8 місяців тому

    me with 999999999 scathe in my base: pathetic

  • @GrayBook-pq8df
    @GrayBook-pq8df Місяць тому

    Ig its for supporting your ground attack offensive

  • @apigp7691
    @apigp7691 Рік тому

    I beg to differ!

  • @joebensongcayawon7060
    @joebensongcayawon7060 7 місяців тому

    0:06 STAR WARS HAS IS NOOOOOOO THIS

  • @challenger5474
    @challenger5474 5 місяців тому

    Did someone bet Siege?

  • @toramaru2490
    @toramaru2490 8 місяців тому

    The worst thing a out scathe is it uses carbide

    • @user-xt1cj9dj3v
      @user-xt1cj9dj3v 7 місяців тому

      Not just carbide, but a LOT of carbide

    • @toramaru2490
      @toramaru2490 7 місяців тому

      @@user-xt1cj9dj3v yea, the best thing about schate is when you pair it with the infinite resource block🤣.

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  2 місяці тому

      ammo cost has been reduced fortunately

  • @karmdeez911
    @karmdeez911 2 місяці тому

    scathe is only good at large target. it's like using a anti-ship cruise missile to shoot down a recon drone

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  2 місяці тому

      Yeah the range is the one thing it's good at, which makes it decent for sniping.

  • @artemsh2301
    @artemsh2301 7 місяців тому

    scathe is
    scathe is cool name for a guy with names like xxpronoobslayernoobproxx
    scathe is when you like misile but the misile doesnt like you so it bad
    scathe is when you try to fight some air shitty turret, the turret gives you outcome
    scathe is when its cool looking
    scathe is life
    scathe is also when you want something to be and feel cool
    scathe is when you have carbide but you need one more and that mf eats all your carbide
    scathe is scathe
    scathe is scythe
    scathe is cool name (just cool)
    scathe is when you download developer mode and type so it becomes a #fuckingshotgun

  • @sic111
    @sic111 Рік тому +3

    i dont think its an bad gun, its clearly not an "main gun", that you put in your front and rush for, but a complementar one with complementar damage and different utilities. it works to clutch small units, or weak the stronger ones, i dont think the radar is a big thing, since if you want to discover areas, using units can be way cheaper and free than a scathe.
    i think the Scathe is the Meltdown of Erekir and it works better than one, its expensive, the ammo requires sacrifices, and the performance seems mostly under the expections, while the gun seems to work somewhat beautifully and efficiently under some circunstances. See different than erekir, in Serpulo there are effects, the purpose of meltdown is to input an effect of melting down that combines with the oil effect and gives "double", and "slowness" damage, see complementar damage.
    The scathe do force your enemy to change, ground, t1 or t2 mostly will not work, or atleast will have their performance reduced and in erekir this is a big thing, since everything is expensive and slow, same with unit spams walking in group, forcing your enemy to a t3 or flying units, or actually micro better, he will need to change in some way. Same way ground t1 and t2 will not work against an meltdown, you force your enemy to build units with more range or to micro better exploiting the reload of the meltdown, because if dont the meltdown do input an complementar damage that meltdown.
    Those are guns that need to be protected, and thats a big thing to notice, because normally guns are put to protect, not to be protected, i think thats why people have the tendency to descredibilize them besides their expensiveness. you cant place a meltdown with the same mindset as you place a swarm or cyclone, same way with scathe.

    • @shalvei_
      @shalvei_ Рік тому +1

      bad take, first off it used to be good for scouting heavily fortified enemy bases that scouting units wouldn't be able to go to so it had a niche as an endgame radar, recent patch hit that hard though, and titan does the exact same thing you extensively described here but cheaper and with higher dps

    • @sic111
      @sic111 Рік тому +1

      ​@@shalvei_A Titan cant do what a scathe can do and vice versa this is an exaggeration that creates an exxagerated sophism, just like saying a cyclone and a swarmer are the same, complementar damage is not simply about high DPS, is about incrementing an pre existent defence, just like how a swarmer or even ripple can protect an cyclone from fortress you can place a scathe far back in your front and it still work, meanning all your front guns would have a buff equals to the damage it caused in the enemy incoming units in the case of an Scathe an Titan would have this buff too, Titan is complementar damage to breach difuse,etc, an Scathe is complementar damage to a titan, afflict etc, it make them stronger by making the enemies weaker, especially good against hordes of chunky HP units.
      rushing an scathe is similar as rushing an Dome but only for guns, the difference is that even tho more expensive scathe stack up, and of course in the cadency and range, an scathe have more range than a dome, and an dome have more cadency than a scathe, i think its a pretty weird balance but innovative, and the scathe also have the dynamic probabilities

    • @shalvei_
      @shalvei_ Рік тому +1

      @@sic111 nah it's expensive as shit to keep using, for 20 carbide a shot the dps is atrocious complementary damage or not

  • @FuriousMaximum
    @FuriousMaximum 2 місяці тому

    i agree

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  2 місяці тому +1

      As the person who made this video, I also agree

  • @namnam7137
    @namnam7137 2 місяці тому

    Nah, i like it and i spam it on every map on campaign, 3 carbide 400% is enough for 4 scathes

  • @tomthecyberhumandrone1412
    @tomthecyberhumandrone1412 Рік тому

    then use more scathe

    • @UEnrift
      @UEnrift Рік тому +2

      Supply of carbide cant keep up

    • @tomthecyberhumandrone1412
      @tomthecyberhumandrone1412 Рік тому

      @@UEnrift then add more carbide

    • @_redniel_
      @_redniel_ Рік тому +1

      @@tomthecyberhumandrone1412 not enough resources

    • @Foreshadow
      @Foreshadow Рік тому +1

      @@tomthecyberhumandrone1412,24 shots isn't enough to kill a T5 unit

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Рік тому +2

      would rather use other turrets then more scathes
      just one is enough for initial damage and as a radar

  • @buttermaw2707
    @buttermaw2707 Рік тому

    Btw the Schate missles are units

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Рік тому

      I know, still a cool fact to point out though

  • @yum1118
    @yum1118 Рік тому +2

    Yeah but it looks cool so opinion denied

  • @Stirling96
    @Stirling96 8 місяців тому

    Don't care, I love it.

  • @mishazerg
    @mishazerg Рік тому +2

    The truth has been spoken

  • @GreenRipe17
    @GreenRipe17 4 місяці тому

    Make this just to waste your time and resource it takes me hours or even a days just get this bullshit and loses many important recourse for building

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  2 місяці тому +1

      yep, scathe is truly trash

    • @GreenRipe17
      @GreenRipe17 2 місяці тому

      @@Gwapo its just the only one that is a trash in erikir

  • @SeigeGoat
    @SeigeGoat Рік тому +1

    That's called balancing

    • @Gwapo
      @Gwapo  Рік тому +3

      losing 20 carbide to a single duct is balancing?

    • @Blitzs02
      @Blitzs02 Рік тому +1

      ​​@@Gwapo
      Well I Mean
      You Don't Using Scathe As Main Turret Right?🗿
      So Scathe Should Be Place Near Core

  • @I-like-being-kissed
    @I-like-being-kissed Рік тому +2

    Finally someone actually make a video about this

  • @Mr_Roomba_
    @Mr_Roomba_ Рік тому

    First?

  • @nerfjanetreal
    @nerfjanetreal 7 місяців тому

    Infinity items gamemode pvp: