Diablo Immortal Gambling Is Far Worse Than We Thought, Max Gear Could Cost $500K+ Rather Than $100K+
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Blizzard spent 5 years creating the most sophisticated and manipulative monetization system ever made, and then in the final couple weeks of development they ported over some Diablo 3 assets and called it a day.
It's laughable
Don't worry they were even proud that this "Immortals" got 10M free downloads!
I mean manipulative sure, but sophisticated?
You don’t need a whole lot of skill and artistic brilliance to set a drop rate to negative percentiles.
@@zygo0 You'd be shocked at the insane amount of very carefully crafted psychological manipulation that goes into theses "games". You have to frustrate the player enough to want to buy the solution you offer but not enough that they quit entirely, you have to have several different types of currency to help obfuscate the real cost of micro-transactions to the player and most importantly you need to trick players into thinking they ever had a choice; that they're willingly spending their money and not just getting squeezed for every penny they're worth. There are literally dozens more of these tiny factors that need to be fine tuned to make a "good" monetization system.
Exactly, remember the EA representative argument to defend this kind of monetization as promoting "creativity in the gaming industry", that's exactly the creativity she was talking about. The one about making the most abusive, and profitable monetization system possible, with the least effort from those companies like slapping the same assets and just rename their game.
Keep in mind you can't equip duplicate Legendary gems in your loadout so all 6 "main" gems have to be all different to actually use them all in a single loadout.
Edit* Forgot to say Legendary
That makes sense, how in the world can you equip 2 helmets at once? That's a fair mechanic to have.
Conclusion - why even giving ActiBlizz $500K for free? 🤔🙄
so this means you need like, EVERY gem, considering you give each piece more slots....fucking ridiculous.
@@robotical4793 the point isn't that that's necessarily wrong. It just is important to point out when you're calculating how expensive all of this is.
Whales can sell and buy gems if they don't get what they want
2019: Go broke on microtransactions
2022: Only bank robbers allowed beyond this point
I think you accidentally put a "9" there instead of a "5".
Come on! ActiBlizz wanna allow Bobby to buy another yacht one last time! 🤣
i would rather play Payday 2
It doesn't take decades as a FTP to max a character. It's impossible. The ammount of crests you get per month for free means at the current rate it would take centuries to max out a character.
Then when you add inevitable power creep with "new gems" and so on it's straight up impossible. Not even an immortal could max out a character in Diablo immortal as a F2P.
Plus there's Awakening, which can ONLY be done by paying real money. You can't do it at all as a free player.
That’s why the game is called diablo immortal, you have to be immortal to finish it
I can just imagine Blizzards response:
“Don’t you people have paying jobs?!”
Imagine a world where you could enter the Olympics and do this. Pay half a million dollars, start at the finish line. You are the world's greatest athlete
Do you guys not have jobs*
Disgusting, how can you be so poor?
-ActiBlizz drinking tiddy milk somewhere
More like, "Do you guys not have mansions and Swiss bank accounts?"
don't you guys have bitcoin wallets and have bought low and sold high?
Good for Belgium, labeling Diablo Immortal as a scam and banning it in their country, I wish it were banned in the U.S., this unregulated gambling in games makes me sick.
It should be banned everywhere, this is the most predatory monetization I've ever seen. Maybe the courts should even make them give back the money people wasted on it, too.
i know for a fact that loot boxes are banned in S.korea and china
And The Netherlands! Don't forget about The Netherlands...
@@crazyluigi6664 I heard somewhere Australia is considering a ban or at the least restricting them with a 18+ raiting
The Germans ain't having none of it
They can just easily change that percentage of the “rare item” to any percent they want, remember it’s a piece of digital code that they can manipulate at the end of the day.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they reduce the odds for F2P players to twist the knife just that little bit more
@@ExpandDong420 I feel like they can reduce the odds for spenders so they would spend more, and increase the odds for F2P players so they would feel "the rush" and end up spending.
@@thegrayyernaut the lower odds have the same effect by making more spenders and therefore more sunk cost whales
Completely true, they can pull the strings at any moment and make your $15k 5/5 gem worthless. I see a maxed out diablo character like I see NFTs: Worthless and a scam
@@RandoLePerson it's probably handled server side as opposed to client side so you can't hack it without access to their server
EA: we are the worst gaming company
Activision and Blizzard over the last few years: hold my beer
The entire gaming industry has just been passing that beer around for years. It's probably moldy by now.
Ngl, EA is doing so much better these days (Too bad they'll never stop their EA sports microtransaction stuff) with good value EA Play and releasing games that show they have listened to some criticisms such as Respawn's Star Wars games. Being positive anyway, just seems things are being Uno reversed.
I was looking around for controversial prices, Dead or alive 5 you had to spend like 2000$ to get all the costumes, for EA you would need to spend 50k to get the best Fifa team, in genshin impact you would need around 4000$ to pretty much get the featured character + a bunch of other character maxed and then we have blizzard going far and beyond any of that
@@tjenadonn6158 LMAO true. Even some good companies have made iffy or bad decisions has well. That title of the worst isn't so clear and exclusive anymore if we really think about it.
@@danner253 Don't defend EA because they keep using bad methods and their good games that come out just fund their bad methods just as bad than activision.
House and lot: $370,000
A new sports car: $250,000
Maxing out your Diablo immortal Character...Priceless
I want everyone to keep in mind this is for the CURRENT set for items. once updates come about with new content you can bet your ass there going to be another tear/gear set waiting and your old set could be obsolete! So even if you do max out it'll be come worthless in a month or two as even max gear does not scale.
Bold of you to assume that they'll add content to it, especially after being banned in China (most lucrative mobile market in the world).
@@Wowguy233 Then you're really underestimating how greedy and persistent mobile gaming is.
There was a comment I read here on youtube that went more into the model it looks like they're using here. The basis being an old genre of browser games with scantily clad women who really like lingerie.
For this kind of grotesque level of investment depth to succeed, the player can't feel like their investment is ever wasted. So you probably won't see the power ceiling being risen and rendering old money you've spent obsolete, like you see them do in a Granblue Fantasy or Final Fantasy Brave Exvius.
He explained it as a series of parallel progression schemes. So today it's gems. Tomorrow, it could be charms. After that, it'll be some other thing to make the numbers go up. And so on.
I'm unfortunately not versed in that specific kind of game so I need to research it more..
The one thing I'm absolutely sure they'll never do though: Make characters with stories and 3d models and voices and animations etc, that you can purchase. That costs money and effort, as opposed to selling a number to people. Effort is pure anathema to lazy lazy Blizzard..
This seems like extraordinarily early-market kind of poo from twenty years ago. That they're only able to make viable because they're Blizzard. Everyone else has long moved on from this kind of thing, as competition thinned out the greed and consumers actually want something in exchange for their money. For example, Azur Lane's profit model literally is nothing but cosmetic outfits, and they want everyone to be able to generally get every character.
The field is a series of games meant to be played over a long period of time, like an MMO. Normies are only meant to buy the $5 a month subscription plan. Only the desperate, addicted or wealthy can afford imbibing raw gacha currency; that product is literally drugs.
.... not even the worst one would sell you a bunch of dumb numbers for $500,000 though...
Someone is gonna spend a million dollars on this game
@@Wowguy233 they just hire intern to update it it will not take much time anyway if blizz make good tool for game
You can buy a nice house for $500k. That’s so greedy it’s like a cartoon villain level of greedy.
Not in this housing market
I picture a greasy big guy with in a green suit, with a bowler hat, and smoking a cigar while he counts his money lol
@@ZayaVII with 500k us , i can buy a fucking castle where i live
@@ZayaVII ,
Depends on location...
“DO YOU GUYS NOT HAVE $500K?!”
Friendly reminder that the company responsible for this monetization garbage is still being sued by the state of California for its abusive work culture. Don’t forget that as horrible as they are to us consumers, it pales in comparison to how they’re treating the artists making these games.
Jesus, that still hasn’t finished? What’s taking so long for these fuckers to get sued?
California likes to take their time with this sort of thing. Ubisoft and Riot are still ongoing as well
Friendly reminder that the interests and incentives of business owners are fundamentally opposed to the interests of workers and customers.
The more hours for less pay they squeeze out of their workers, the more money they charge for cheaper, shittier products they sell to consumers, the higher their profits.
The free market doesn't maximize efficiency, the free market is optimized to sell you the shittiest thing corporations can get away with at the highest price they can get away with, and to work you the longest hours they can legally get away with while paying you as little as they can legally get away with. (And then a just a bit longer for just a bit less than is legal, because they can get away with that as well).
They need all the money obtained throgh this game to pay their lawyers......... well shit!
The game was made by NetEase but ok
Remember when you'd get a full game, with everything that could possibly be included in the game, for £30?
I miss those times.
I pine for the days of the sixth console generation. That last generation of quality, complete, single-player games.
I too still remember.👍
I wish we could go back to that
No.. not unless it was on sale or an older game. Not since I've been been alive in my 32 years at least
A moment of silence for those that will never known how it feels to live in a world where only full games existed.
Just imagine, this is the practice run for Diablo 4.
Thats why im set with D2R and POE, at least until POE 2.0 releases, that will crush Diablo.
Fun fact: the Chinese version of Diablo 3 was a test run for Diablo Immortal’s monetization. And ironically now they may never get it. Not because the CCP thinks the monetization is beyond the pale, but because some guy at Netease posted no-no words about Xi.
@@tehbeernerd stop imagining things😂
You bet it is
I’m waiting until they actually just monetize every aspect of the game, moving your character costs money, using your weapon costs money, that’s about the only things that have yet to be monetized in a video game.
I used that “Rift Simulator” calculator on the last video to calculate getting 100 5/5 legendary crests, I “spent” $347,650.00, so $500,000 seems a lot more plausible.
Yeah. That's why it's a form of gambling...
That’s insane. :-O
@@geefee713 - If not outright unregulated gambling, that’s pretty much what’s going on in the gaming industry.
Marth $500,000 and $347,650 are still more than $100,000 and definitely more than $16,000 a stupid random streamer gave to ActiBlizz
Did you pay attention to if any were duplicates? You can't equip duplicate gems either.
At this point I'm no longer surprised by Activision's greed. They literally call what they're doing with this "whale hunting."
It’s not whale hunting though. People gambled and they lost. Simple as that. I do not understand how anyone can think “I am a fool and my money has been taken away from me because I gambled…” you deserve it. Simple as that.
@@nal101 you clearly don't have any understanding of gambling addiction, addictive behaviour or the fact that these systems specifically target and exploit and encourage a lack of control.
@@nal101 My fellow human, you do not understand how gambling addiction works.
@@jrfour2408 They're also aimed at that tiny percentage of rich people who can afford to waste that kind of money, which ruins it for everyone else.
@@nal101 Why bother with helping people with gambling addiction then? Might as well give up on them all, especially the children. Oh, did I not mention that bit? Children are also considered whales and are directly targeted for gambling.
It blows my mind that people actually fall into this trap. I literally didn't even download the game because I knew it would be something like this and I'm a person who spent thousands of hours playing Diablo 2.
That’s what gaming is about. It’s about playing, enjoying the game and having fun. Not gambling.
Yep. I've certainly spent more time playing diablo 2 than any other game, maybe even all other games combined. Even if you removed the gambling from immortal, the game is boring. Initially people said "there's a good game underneath it all and thats the kicker" no there isn't. Unless you like everything being on cooldown and auto attacking. Auto attack is boring.
I get what they were going for with eliminating a "mana" type resource by using cooldowns and channeling. Its boring.
D2 was art- a masterpiece in comparison. It reflected and expanded on Diablo. D3 is like Warcraft meets Diablo and the next games are less about what kind of interesting journey can we Give the player - it’s, how much CAN WE get them to pay?
Blizzard is trash. Just like EA now. Unfortunately people will still play and eventually pay.. That’s all that matters with most developers these days. Like blood in the water, the moment actually play and pay, they just sealed the fate of the franchise. The industry and these titles will never be the same.
I played for maybe 2 hours.
After that..
I got bored of it.
I felt like I had seen everything the game had to offer, from a gameplay perspective.
If I wanted to play a Diablo style game, I'm just going to play POE, Last Epoch, or D3
I avoid 99% of free to play games because while i was broke that was all i played. I made me very aware that they are almost all like this to some degree. If I can't do everything through the game I wont play them any more.
What a time to be alive. Imagine all our kids will be gambling addicts in a few years unless the governments around the world start stepping in to address this. This kind of thing could legitimately create mass addiction around the world if left unchecked. These companies are running fronts disguised as video games for their illegal casinos.
Or, you know, could be a parent and teach your kid the hazards an fallacies of gambling. It didn't take much for my parents to explain to me how gambling is designed to take your money and give you nothing back. Scratch tickets have a lot of "almost winners" to get people to keep trying. Hell, have them play chance-based strategy games. I don't trust a 70% chance to hit in XCOM, you think I'd trust the single-digit percents in gambling?
@@Rehteal shit, anyone who lets their kids develop that way should be encouraged. Too many of us here, time to trim a few off. If they are still stupid enough to fall for it after seeing all this evidence, id say all the more power to them. You dont need anyone teaching you to not spend half a million on one character in one game
@@Rehteal Imagine thinking you'll always know what they are playing or paying for...
@@nathanlevesque7812 just ask them or pay attention?
We live in a for profit society. While the government should be inherently good, the people that run it aren’t
Several of us mentioned this 2 weeks ago. 100k was a very lowball estimate. Even 500k is low. It doesn’t take into account the fact that returns dismiss as you add your copies to your personal “completed” list. Your chances of getting “a gem” are the same, but your chances of getting THE gem you need fade to zero as you fill your list. The real number, as we’ve been saying, is closer to $.1.1M US.
* correction: returns diminish
Not that I actually defend this shit, but wouldn't whales be able to trade duplicate gems on the marketplace and get the one they want there somewhat? Just curious.
@@thomaslacroix6011 ,
Yes they could do that... however not all gems will be rewarded equally... so at least one or two gems would be worth a lot more due to being rare compared to the other 5 star gems while one or two would be worth much less as they drop more often.
@@thomaslacroix6011 that’s a great point, great question. I don’t have any idea how the in-game marketplace works, but judging by Blizzard track record alone, I would imagine they will mess with the economy to a degree that works for THEM, not the players. But that’s just cynicism on my part, no data.
100k+ is still 500k+
I wish I could quit my honest job, and just have these whales pay me to tell them "oh yeah, your video game character has so much stats! You win! Look how good at video games you are!"
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Is there a job like that? I think I would excel in that 😂
depending on where you're at 38k is livable. but its location, location, location.
@@cmdraftbrn I genuinely want to know where in the country 38,000$ is sufficient for a mortgage, car payment, utilities, internet, and necessities.
@@cmdraftbrn imagine being able to pick where you live. ...while also having a job that cannot be done from home
that's way more than I make a year
At this point it’s just a question of how much further DI can fall and at what point we can call it one of the worst games in history
At least ET for the Atari 2600 was a complete game that you only paid for once.
And Sony fanboys are going to use it to harass Microsoft and those who just play their games
@@nihilegojelly7747 can’t say I’ve seen anyone mention the console wars, especially since it has nothing to do with the subject…everyone agrees this game is straight crap
@@nihilegojelly7747 Kind of hard to harass a console manufacturer, since it isn't on consoles.
hopefully very low, nobody wants to pay half a million dollars to get the best gear fr like wtf,
Blizzard’s official response to this situation: “Don’t you guys have $500k?!”
That's a house.
...and a plane or two...
...and some cars....
You could probably go racing with that money.
My brother in Christ, I can create a huge ass business here in Philippines with that kind of money💀 Pretty sure I can still afford other stuffs like cars, a house, full gaming pc set, and hell amounts of basic needs.
11:03 I think you hit the nail on the head here. They know this is egregious. That's the point. They're trying to lower the bar so far that in the future, even ludicrous expenses will be seen as relatively tame compared to this. $100 for a gem? Well, at least it's not as bad as Diablo Immortal!
This is true in terms of Blizzard playing with our psyche. They're preconditioning our minds so that other video game monetary schemes they throw at us in the future will become less evil, less egregious, less wtf moments thereby making us succumb to it subconsciously.
You could have: A single max-level character in a mobile video game.
OR - A Yacht
OR - A mansion
OR - Retirement
OR - A midsized home and 3 brand new vehicles
The choice... is yours.
Well owning those things comes at a future cost, i'd have to think about it, aside from retirement.
@@udalix can even turn into profit if you loan it
We’re gonna reach a point where mobile games can only be played by billionaires. I just hope video games as a whole does not reach a point where every game can only be played by billionaires. 500k? How long before it takes 1 million dollars to max out a character? The more they keep pushing the envelope on micro transactions which are macro transactions in disguise, the more massive the next video game crash will be. If people actually go bankrupt over Diablo immortal i hope this leads to people demanding regulations on micro transactions in video games. If it happened with loot boxes it will happen with regular micro transactions. No one should go bankrupt over a video game.
Giving the cost of living is on the rise, it’s by miles the worst time for a video game with such extreme monetisation to be released. Another video game crash is around the corner and corporate greed is bringing it closer.
There are plenty of mobiles games that are already much worst, I just made some quick math on Summoners War, a mobile game I used to play, in that game you need $685k for just one of the things you need to max your account, but for everything there is in that game it will be way way more.
@@BernardoPC117 500k is on the low end on a good day, DI can easily cost you over a million to max a single char if you were paying attention
@Zero Bullet's That guy most likely doesn't even know about this. Blizzard just shows him the numbers and he is happy he can swim in a pool full of money at the end of the day. Not that he would care either way.
@@TheGhostFart Like I said 1 million or 10 million still nothing compared to a lot of mobile games out there, the point is mobile developers make it so you can ALWAYS spend more money on their games, even if you manage to max out everything they will release an update next month with content that allows you to spend another million, they design this games so you are NEVER done.
Look it's good that hardcore gamers complain about this things so that this shitty mechanics don't grow on hardcore games and maybe ban them all together. I just think is funny that people are so amazed about it when mobile developers have done much worst for like a decade the only reason they get a free pass is because they are not on the eye of hardcore gamers.
The thing is, even if I was a billionaire, I would not be touching this pos with a ten foot pole.
Also, don't expect another video game crash. If it was to fall, it would have fallen at the end of the PS3 and 360 generation.
The future of gaming is in middleware or indie games... and emulation.
I thought EA was the greediest game company, Blizzard is definitely trying to beat them which I think they have.
They just showing them the way. EA greedy ass will do the same thing if this works out.
I think Blizzard won.
And yet I was lucky to not play this game instead I’m playing fire emblem three hopes instead of this P2w trash
@@1988foxtrot In the short term. What they're doing is making them lose all their long term customer base.
This is bad, but I wish people would look in Star Wars Galaxy of Hero’s cost to play because maxing out a roster is probably close to a million dollars
"Do you guys not learn?"
That's the nature of predatory, monetized games.
Step 1: You start with a framework that's already milking you from your money.
Step 2: You make it worse.
I know that predatory monetization practices have been around for years now, but the notion that one could spend half a motherfucking mill on single "free-to-play" video game is the absolute pinnacle of the whole deal. Let it sink in that this is a thing that exists now in the gaming industry.
Anyone charging this much for MTX better be living in a Bond villain base.
I'm 100% convinced that Activision owns some secret island base with laser sharks to retreat to if people protest against them
@@ProcyonDei Yike. That’s one fuck of a crossover.
Bobby Kotick DOES have like two yachts he could booby trap against any secret agents looking for info
@@ProcyonDei Idk man, Bobby gotta have some kind of actually menacing Inator somewhere. We’re just in the cursed timeline where Doof isn’t actually a good father, rather became a determined scumbag.
“BEHOLD, MY DIABLO IMMORTAL-INATOR”
they have an evil megacorp hq instead
Honestly, I blame Star Citizen for this. That was the dawn of companies realizing there are whale players out there willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a video game. I followed that Kickstarter and was blown away by how many people were backing at the multi-thousand dollar level just for a digital spaceship in a game that may or may not ever be completed. Monetization teams took note of that and ever since, it's been them finding ways to bleed players dry and pocket that whale cash.
I still hate how people hype up that scam
@@bobbobson9952 but SPAAAAAAACE!
@H P There's no actual game dude it's a bunch of useless fetch bs, they've been milking the dumbasses who funded this game for so many years they have no other choice than to support the fraction of promises that were actually delivered on. That incredible storyline that's never going to release has those clowns strung along for a good while now so they are probably about to drop some hot new empty promises for people to invest in. I'm not even talking about the ship prices yet. These scammers received 400mil and made some half assed tech demo. Jesus christ the best games in the world don't even cost half that much to make and those are made by actual talented people.
Horse Armour is where it all started, Scam Citizen just expanded the research of how gullible a user base can be. They're 'only' 42k, then you have scam atlas with 6 figure ships then Diablo Immoral standing above them.
@H P Yeah. But so far though it’s pretty fucking disappointing
I find it great that people are still looking at the game. I saw the original 'april fools' line and didn't bother learning more. Then I was seeing the price estimates and laughed. PEople still played the game, people have been dumping thousands into it, and you're only telling them they can do worse. I stopped playing blizzard games a few years ago. I'll stick to Rimworld, Raft, and DeepRockGalactic
Ikr, it's almost like they don't know what they're doing, almost.
Not only should we blame blizzard, but also the ppl who are actually throwing their money to max out their gear. It because of them that blizzard(or any company) will keep doing this. All they need is a few hundred ppl to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep monetizing their games.
You know, I actually felt kinda bad for them when during the Diablo immortal someone went up to the mic and asked "Is this some kind of out of season April fools joke".
But now that moment fills me with great joy
The devs could literally cut prices to 1/10th, multiply the whatever BS currency is called that you get for real world purchases by 10, make it so you only need a single eternal legendary crest to get the "best" rift, AND multiply chances of getting a 5/5 star by another 10 so that it would be a 1/200 chance instead of 1/2000, and it would STILL cost just under the the price of a full priced game to kit out a single character (when often games like this it is fun to try out multiple options). This is ridiculous to an extreme. I loved Diablo 1, 2 and 3, but hard pass on this offering.
Even if they cut prices by 1/10th, you'd still be spending over $5-million based on the real math that you need nearly 3500 5-star gems at $15,000 a pop in order to max Rank 10 all 36 of your 5-star gems, which all require 73 duplicates of themselves out of a possible pool of 9 different 5-star gems currently in the game.
@Skuash ....yes...
It still amazes me that EA gets punished for "Surprise Mechanics" (As they put it in court) for what happened with Battlefront 2. Yet Activision (I refuse to tack on Blizzard anymore. Blizzard is DEAD) does something like this. Silence. Complete silence. Activision made a freaking GAMBLING video game. Which means that they should be subjected to Gambling Laws. Though still silence.
Silence from who, the medias talking about it. The influencers are talking about it. Do you mean the U.S. government, they have the war in Ukraine, Roe v Wade, and the investigation into the riot at the capital, to occupy them.
After this they probably will, but honestly those EA and Blizzard are not even the worst, most mobile game developers are even worst and get a free pass just because they are not in the eye of hardcore gamers
They know that they're currently clear of gambling laws just because of the fact the payouts don't include real money.
@@doomyboi This is why we need to change the law. It should be classed as gambling if you're forking over something of value for a chance of a return of some sort. Whether or not that return is money is immaterial. It's irrelevant to the psychological realities at play. As a parallel, see how the laws about consent are changing to an affirmative model. It doesn't matter if they didn't say no. What actually matters is if they freely said yes.
the issue is EA placed actual game progression behind those look boxes, etc with 0 way for people to get it aside from forking over real money. you bought the game at full price then find out that half of it is locked behind loot boxes. its ridiculous. meanwhile immortal allows you to progress for free, on a free download, BUT its a snails pace.
they took the gacha formula of games like Genshin, FGO, Azur Lane, Dokkan Battle, and dialed it from a 5 to 100. This shit never lasts long from gacha games out east because its removed but Activision/Blizzard skirts around the laws here in the US since we dont have any actual laws pertaining to these unlike out east.
The level of predatory gambling mechanics in P2W games keeps increasing because foolish people exist and will spend $10K+ on a shitty mobile game. Remember that Silicon Valley employee who spent over $30K on a mobile game? I'll bet he's not even the worse among this bunch.
For that price, a strong PC and a good game library can be had.
I can't believe the amount of delusion in this game's community, I was in an Immortal whale's stream, he and his chat were talking about this story, and they were all saying things like "People are just brainwashed by Asmongold, you don't need 36 5-star gems, you only need 16, awakened gems don't need to be 5 stars! It's not 500,000$ to max out, they're full of shit, it's only 80-100k." etc etc.
Like they felt it was a huge win that someone estimated 500k to max, while they thought it was *only* ~100k, like that meant nothing was wrong with the game and they were right all along. People are fuckin clowns man, paying 50,000-100,000 just to be able to be good at a video game, sad af.
Some time when the US government isn't filled with representatives who place big business profits over the well being of the consumer, I think the US legislative branch should take a look at how Activision is doing this and maybe make some laws for regulating the gacha games industry. It's insane to me that they can get away with this
So basically... never. The US is systemically rigged against third parties, and the existing parties?
The republicans who don't openly hate minorities actively fight against uncorrupted candidates, and the republicans who do openly hate minorities don't even have uncorrupted candidates.
I genuinely doubt the time you're talking about will ever actually occur but I am certainly right there with you in wishing for it.
It will be ended up ActiBlizz investigated themselves 🤡
that wont matter in the end. Their main target is China. Hell, they'll skip releasing here as long as they got china
Never gonna happen. These huge companies give MILLIONS to their "campaign Funds," and keep them in office to lord it over all. Mega-corporations, doesn't matter what industry, control this country. Welcome to the Mega-Corporate States of........don't know how to finish that.
Nowadays AAA publishers made it an eternal purpose to "outgreed" one another and Blizzard took a huge lead.
No there are trying to reach trillion dollars Apple succeed in reaching $3 trillion all companies are doing the same thing
A company's goal is to make money. What did you expect?
so a competition to see who is the most greedy? Gotta say EA is in shame
"Go on a nice vacation, buy a car, put some money into a house." - YongYea, previous DI video
Max out your real life instead of maxing out your virtual life
Back in my day dudes with too much money spent it on drugs, alcohol and women. Still a much better choice than this shit
@arrowghost I actually did what Yongyea said in his previous video. I got a “2020 Toyota Prius Hybrid Echo” and Taking a vacation in Las Vegas Lol.
you know what you should do? try this with the simulator:
write down what kind of 5 out of 5 gem you first get and go until you get 6 of that one kind of gem and see how much it cost you.
the estimation is based on the idea that every gem gotten is one you need. so 500k is super low balling it.
and even if you literally played forever if you don't spend money you can't awaken or resonate which ever needs the cash shop only item. meaning you literally can't max out as free to play.
the only way to max out is if you pay money.
and the only way to max out within your life time is to spend too much money on slot attempts.
and if you want a bank account after playing you only get gems from the trade house which means in the end the best thing for a whale to do is wait for other whales to mine gems and pay next to nothing for it. no playing, just buying and selling.
blizzard even solved the bot problem since you can't trade games gotten for free. meaning the only people mining for 5 out of 5 gems are real paying people and not bots.
no longer is it pay to win. it is pay to try. because no one is winning, not even the whales anymore.
It’s all a blessing in disguise. Shown the true motives and it makes me happy to know where things stand. I won’t support them at all
I agree with Asmondgold, Blizzard is going to try to squeeze the cash out of as many people as they can to get the most amount of profit, and then later down the line they are going to come out and say "We're sorry it shouldn't have been this way". Then at that point they will begin cutting back on their greedy monetization or they won't and will leave it like this.
That's being quite optimistic. That's assuming they will cut back or lighten up on their monetization scheme whatsoever. I highly doubt they will scale it back or make it cheaper.
It only depends on the bottom line.
@Juicebox A parasite, that's what he is, through and through
Yeah those are the options. You literally are not giving any type of insight at all lol. The two options possible are change it or dont lol
There's a very high chance that Blizzard will come out and announce Diablo Immortal 2 in 5 years, shutdown all service and render everyone's gears obsolete.
How is shit like this even legal? That’s the most predatory shit I’ve ever seen..
Depends on your country, it is in fact illegal here in The Netherlands and Belgium.
My god I can't believe that it literally costs half a million dollars just to max out a character..... Blizzard is crazy.
And thats only for 1 character. Costs a second 500k for a second character
half a million IF YOU GET REALLY LUCKY
Your estimation for those 36 5/5 pulls are actually way lower. You're looking at:
- 6 legendary gems
- Duplicates of those 6 gems to get them to rank 10, which opens up the extra slots per gem
- 30 additional legendary gems (5 per each one of the original gems), all of them ranked 10, which opens up the resonating feature.
“Do you guys not have houses to sell?”
I could buy an engagement ring, 2 flights first class to a hotel in Hawaii, pay for 5 star escorts and also afford kilos upon kilos of coke, buy a Range-rover, and eat 5 meals of gold plated stake…
And still it would be cheaper than maxing out a Diablo immortal character
Invite me for the coke bit. Thanx
Congratulations BLIZZARD, just when I thought this stupid game couldn’t have gone so low, IT ONE UPS ITSELF…..
IM HONESTLY GLAD ITS BANNED IN CHINA. They 1 BILLION PERCENT deserves it!!
It's banned in china? That's hilarious.
I mean, if only it banned for the right reasons. Unfortunately, it was banned for reasons I don't think they should have been banned for and that REALLY PISSES ME OFF!
It should be banned in more places.
It was only banned because some immortal rep posted on the DI social media calling their leader a bear. That then lead to the ban, the microtransactions are totally fine with them. But don't call their leader a bear.
At first, I thought that the delay of Diablo Immortal was for the PC port. However, after seeing all of this, I have to wonder if someone behind the scenes was trying to prevent the release of this horror of a cash grab, because they knew it would be a PR nightmare for Activision Blizzard. Before Diablo Immoral, I just thought that I would simply boycott their games. Now I won't be satisfied with anything less than hearing that Activision Blizzard is out of business and all of their executives are burning in hell.
Satan: Silly mortal, they'll be suffering in a new layer of hell I've created just for them. Not quite sure what to call it yet.
Anyway, you get to choose a random assortment of horrors/tortures to go through for the rest of eternity from the mouths of 5 demons! Theres even addictive sparkly graphics and music to go along with the choice. You might even get lucky and get sent to limbo instead of hell! *
Of course if you don't like the first choices you can double down for the low cost of your freinds and families souls!
* Odds of this are infintesimally small.
It's almost like they developed this as a joke, to be some sort of satire on the whole mobile game ridiculousness. They at least succeeded in what has to be the most egregious example of this practice that has ever existed. Hopefully, this backfires and causes some legislation to pass in more countries so this practice gets banned in many more countries.
Isn't it a crime for a company to fleece money out of innocent victims? In gambling in a casino you at least make some real world money for the money you invest. But in this scam of a game all you get is fantasy game progression and pay to win. Why isn't there a lawsuit yet against Blizzard developers who implemented this scam? They should be getting arrested with jail sentences for their crimes.
Its unsurprising that they created the X / Y system for the high rarity item, with neither guaranteed. Its essentially a level of obfuscation that undoes the pity system while masquerading the fact so the gullible won't complain. A design philosophy that butchers fun in service of greed, giving no quarter to frustrated players. The hollow husk with a Blizzard nametag must be very proud.
This feels like a last-ditch effort of the higher-ups in the ActiBlizzard to achieve something before Microsoft fully takes control of the company, while also knowing they won't be there once the real storm happens. Because they could probably be expecting to be 'let go' once that happens since Microsoft doesn't need to keep these controversial people associated with their name.
Didn't Microsoft make the offer after immortal was in development for some time?
I'm sure the microsoft acquisition is a factor for how they do things, but it's more likely they were trying to do something that benefited themselves but shot themselves in the foot... That's what blizzard ALWAYS does.
I highly doubt Microsoft will stop this
@@chriscollins3225 Diablo Immortal is not doing as well as they expected. Made money, sure, but on release. Many people that covered the game and did guides etc are already quitting. If you check Twitch, the game barely shows up there.
What I'm saying is, that Immortal is making the Diablo name very bad, and for future releases, this could be an issue, because of lack of interest, especially when POE 2 is about to come out as well, and would be a direct rival for Diablo IV.
I would imagine instead of making a fast quick buck on Diablo Immortal, Microsoft intends to make money in the long run.
@@vinicius_nunes I get you
@@vinicius_nunes Agreed miscrosoft cares somewhat about their ips, forza hoirzon 4 ,halo infinite where all solid games, hope they change the direction of the companie to quality first money will come with a quality game
Love how nowadays when Triple A companies release games it’s always followed by string of „this game bad“ -> „this game even worse than we thought“ -> „this game somehow is still digging“ glad to see we are now getting this phenomenon in different flavors
I love how there is an ad for Diablo Immortal right before the video starts lol
Who else is now waiting to see AngryJoe's new rant when he finds out about this?
They have been talking about it on AJS News for weeks.. or did you not know they do news too?
Option 1: Spending every single cent of a mortgage, first new car and wedding reception combined on microtransactions for a single game to max out one character in Diablo: Immortal.
Option 2: Spending at least one hour a day of your entire working life grinding in order to max out one character in Diablo: Immortal.
Option 3: Select only three of six: Mortgage, first new car, wedding reception, one decade of time, one decade of time, one decade of time.
Option 4 : Fuck that I'ma play something else.
@@Pyxis10 Yeah, Imma take option 4 please. XD
Keep in mind yall, this game still makes millions a week.
I'm not at all shocked that there's this much outrage but people continue putting money into this shit. Like I said before, *this industry didn't get this bad without incentives!*
What can we do? Its not like we could just put them down. I wish we could.
Convince others to not download this trash.
@@taags sadly, nothing. The more we cover this shitstorm, the more people will be drawn to trying it and then getting hooked. It's nice to point out the controversy, but all we can do is speak about it and PRAY people have brains.
Buuuuuuut talking about gamers? Good luck.
@@jonahabenhaim1223 that wont stop the oil princes that fuel stuff like this
@@taags Vote with your wallet and encourage people you know to do the same. That‘s it.
I was very luck in the "Rift Simulator" so a 5/5 gem would cost me 1 thousand dollars, however, this would still be 1 thousand dollars. Imagine what you can buy for 1 thousand dollars in a real life...
Honestly, this is basically what I've been expecting. Whales provide more value than the other 99% of players. It was only natural that they would eventually start to try pumping them for everything they could.
If I had 500,000 in my bank account, this game is the last thing in the world I would spend a penny on.
Even if I had millions.... hell no
My thing is: the director said he didn't appreciate the misinformation around the game, but has made no real attempt to explain himself and his decisions. You can't really argue with math like this. If he genuinely thinks nothing is wrong with this design, he wouldn't be afraid of having an actual discussion about it.
I hope when you max out one of the gems that is attached to your gem, that newly maxed out gem suddenly gets 5 more slots
Ad infinitum
Imagine spending $3M for a mobile game (with all character slots maxed out), but that's the best case you get with higher luck. The worst case would be like $10M+. It's like setting the cash vault on fire.
I hope that the people saying "I've been playing just fine without paying a single penny!" will realize that they have a time limit, of course everyone it's gonna have it easy close to the launch
Except... they only get 3 rolls a month and they can't awaken their gear (so they are locked out of being max character).
I don't play the game and haven't looked into the math myself, but Reddit says that a F2P player should get a 5/5, on average, every 62 years.
“Aren't you guys immortal?”
I mean, most were lying anyway.
@@AlkisGD and even then they're worthless 5 stars because you can't sell them to even try and get what you actually want
Imagine spending a house's worth of money in a goddamn phone game on virtual gems that could be thanos snapped away at any point in time by shutting down the servers. Absolutely ridiculous and this should be illegal.
There are different types of fun to be had in games. And this is one of them. Stop trying to ban people from enjoying a game.
@@robotical4793 Except "enjoying" this kind of exploitative gambling only promotes companies from making more of this shit. This kind of exploitation needs to die regardless of how "fun" it is for the whales that play it. YOU are part of the problem.
@@robotical4793 lmao good joke
@@robotical4793 I would happily ban this "game" from existing if I could. This is currently the worst example of microtransactions I've seen in my life. Stop shilling for megacorporations, it's bad for your health and wallet.
Remember this is PER CHARACTER and not for the entire account!
I used the Rift simulator, got tired of clicking after about 10 rolls, then let it auto-roll. It cost $6625 to get that first 5*, and I was just sitting there thinking "how is this enjoyable?" It's not even about the ludacris amount of money- it's how boring the act of actually waiting for that first worthwhile drop is. It doesn't even deserve to be called "grinding".
I'm not so sure that the various streamers going out and dropping tens of thousands of dollars to "prove" a point is really proving the point they think it is. The only thing it proves is that people WILL IN FACT drop that kind of money on a game designed for people who can and will drop that kind of money. Pretty sure that means Activision/Blizzard wins there.
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse...
So at this point we should just automatically assume Diablo Immortal can keep getting worse, right? Next is just a flat out million.
Starting to feel like cracking Diablo Immortal, so the world has a version which is completely free, would be a revolutionary act.
It boggles my mind when people are like, "It'll only cost like 50k to max out" -- like, in what world is any amount of money like that after the base game worth it?
This will probably be a spicy take, but I was thinking: With so much wealth being shifted upward, the economy in all aspects is shifting to "whaling" rather than appealing to the normal lower-income/middle class. We don't have the economic consuming power like we used to. This goes back to supporting indie developers that have a love for gaming to make good games (not in it just for the money.)
The fact it takes videogames for some people to notice the incoming fall of the US is a bit baffling, but at least you noticed it.
Indies and schmoler outfits tend to offer the superior deal in this day and age.
Support them if their wares appeal to you.
Activision Blizzard: "Since we can't exploit players in China, how can we make more money?"
Bobby Kotick: "Like this..."
This is an absurd! It's more than time for Activision/Bizzard to close its doors once and for all.
Shame that this never will happen while there are kids buying Act/Blizzard's just because "they make ma favorite games".
nope, it will never happen, because they made a literal money printer, they have exactly zero reason to close.
The onus shouldn't be on the consumers. Where the fuck are the politicians during all this?
Oh, right, turning women into second-class citizens.
Nah, we can't even blame the kids for this one. What kid's got a million dollars laying around for this game's absurd macrotransactions?
Some kids play Fortnite
@@LeQuack147 holy shit this. If there was an actual competent politician we would have banned this shit by now
I'll never buy another blizzard game after this one. I do not find this style of greed is acceptable. And I hope any company pulling this evil bullshit goes bankrupt.
i am so excited for the D-I monetization!
half a million for 1 character on a mobile game?!
we might have to live under a bridge and eat scrap from dumpsters
but... what a steal!!!
I wrote a program to randomly check the values here, and had it test 10,000 times how many rolls were needed to get 6 desired gems. And for the 2 gem resonance that I saw listed I calculated you will take an average of 31,106 rolls to get all 6 pieces upgraded at ~$77,765.
I also included the minimum and maximum number of rolls found in those 10,000 tests and recorded everywhere from 3406 rolls ($8515) to 147,394 rolls ($368,485).
So if 5/5 gems are even more ridiculous and need FIVE 5/5 rank ten gems instead of 1 rank five of a specific 5 star (2/5 - 5/5) and another rank 10 of another specific 5 star (2/5 - 5/5), then that number is going to go up a LOT! Because that is essentially needing 30 new specific 5 star 5/5 gems or at least doing this 5 more times, meaning min would be $42,575 and max would be $1,842,425 on 10,000 similar trials.
You have 6 slots in your armor, fill those with 6 gems.
Each gem in itself has 5 slots, for a total of 30 slots. Altogether you have 36 gems to upgrade (6 slotted in armor + 30 slotted in gems).
You need to rank 10 all 6 of your 5-star gems which all require exactly 73 copies of their respective gem, so 74 total (1 original + 73 copies, for 36 gems).
36 gems each needing 73 copies amounts to 2,628 5-star gems.
There are currently 9 DIFFERENT 5-star gems that exist in Diablo Immortal at the moment.
Considering you can only MAIN 6 gems in each of your 6 armor pieces, you'll be going for 6 out of 9 possible gem buffs. This results in the 3 other possible 5-star gems in the 5-star pool going to waste (at least for the main 6), raising 438 (6 x 73) of the 2,628 gems you'll need to pull by 33% (up to 582) to our final tally of 2,772 due to some of the unwanted 5-star pulls getting in the way of the first set of six 5-stars you actually need.
2772 5-star gems multiplied by the average of $15,000 dollars per gem will give us our grand bill of $41,580,000. Thank you for your patronage.
For the math in ranking a single 5-star gem to rank 10:
Rank 1 > 2 requires 50 gem power (real easy, just requires sacrificing 50 other useless 1-star gems)
Rank 2 > 3 requires 75 gem power + 1 duplicate gem at Rank 1
Rank 3 > 4 requires 100 gem power + 1 duplicate gem at Rank 1
Rank 4 > 5 requires 1 duplicate gem at Rank 1 + 2 duplicate gems at Rank 3 (each of these two gems require 1 duplicate of themselves to reach Rank 3, for a total of 4)
Rank 5 > 6 requires 3 duplicate gems at Rank 3
Rank 6 > 7 requires 2 duplicate gems at Rank 3 + 1 duplicate gem at Rank 5 (this gem requires 7 duplicates to reach Rank 5, for a total of 8)
Rank 7 > 8 requires 2 duplicate gems at Rank 3 + 1 duplicate gem at Rank 5
Rank 8 > 9 requires 1 duplicate gem at Rank 3 + 2 duplicate gems at Rank 5
Rank 9 > 10 requires 1 duplicate gem at Rank 3 + 2 duplicate gems at Rank 5
1 (Original) + 0 (Rank 1 > 2) + 1 + 1 + 5 + 6 + 12 + 12 + 18 + 18 (Rank 9 > 10) = 74.
@@fmeraz37 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the mother of god meme isin't a strong enough meme for this
@@fmeraz37 Remember, when ranking up a gem, you do NOT need a 5/5, a 2/5 of the same gem will work. Those are a LOT more common. 5% of getting a 2/5, 3/5, 4/5, or 5/5 versus 0.05% chance of getting exactly 5/5, so 100x more likely.
A lot of people talking big about the amount of money you have to dump into the game and keep supporting the company are also the problem! Don’t think your favorite company won’t do the same because they all watch lol
Ubisoft, EA, Bethesda, Square, and Konami called a meeting of minds to discuss Diablo Immortal.
Cc
I sold my kidneys, totally worth it for the sweet loot in diablo immortal 👍
Thats nowhere near enough money bro.
@@simonrockstream not only my own kidneys….
@@decipher111 Bro you can't just go around stealing kidneys. That kills people.
@@tjenadonn6158 i have to pay for the sweet diablo loot somehow
>could run your wallet way more
Yeah, no; by this point you'd need to take in a literal loan from your bank to be able to pull this off. Absolutely asinine.
Here's something i dont get: How do they expect people to spend their time on this? If i've understood everything correctly, you cant just buy the 36 gems, you have to get them from the rifts. $500k at $25 per rift is around _twenty thousand_ repetitions of the rifts. At 3 minutes each, you'd be investing 1000 hours of your time in "not-a-lootbox" mechanics just to get what you paid for.
I'll tell you what, if i was in a position to drop $500k to get the most powerful character in the game, that time gate would be the thing to turn me away
Lol, this is insanely hilarious! Blizzard execs really do go the added mile just to see who's dumb enough to spend money on their games. I'm pretty sure they are trying their best to make the most predatory monetization in gaming history and then lower the prices or changed certain aspects of the game, so that gamers go "hey, they made it easier so at least they are trying". Gamers are the most vocal but also the most forgettable ever so they'll probably get away with this or they'll get used to this and move on.
It's sad to see what Blizzard has become.. We'll never get old Blizzard back : /
Blizzard died years ago, what we have now is nothing but a rotting corpse milked by Activision and Tencent.
At some point, you have to blame the customers as well. Because of them, these companies believe they can act out all of this greed because we kept allowing it.
People spending thousands on the game to show how you have to spend thousands on the game. We’ve all figured it out now people can stop throwing money at it to have their own example of how bad it is. Blizzard evidently don’t and haven’t cared about customers or perception for years, they’re loving that streamers are spending thousands. People who weren’t going to spend money on the game wouldn’t have done it without streamers showing them how much they need to spend, and the people who were gonna dump money into it still are and aren’t put off.
... I remember when I played Factorio to shell out money on each item I crafted in my inventory.
It was called Iron, Copper, Oil, Stone, and Uranium.
They were all free, if I remember correctly.
Your game takes about 100k to max a character.
Blizzard: that is absolutely not true.
This will probably be the most profitable game they've ever made.
In a way they are doing a service to humanity by teaching the dumb and uneducated a valuable lesson about life while also stealing from rich scum. Granted, it will create a good deal of negatives as some people will be victimized and thus might turn to crime or suicide but thats not exactly something new for the greed based cultures we live in.
Did you not see the breakdown where Diablo 3 was already several x more profitable by this point in its life cycle? You almost always do better with reasonable pricing in volume, especially if you avoid backlash.
Hopefully the last as well, because at this point I don't wanna see what tops *this*
if someone is crazy enough to spend that much on a video game.... well, those devs are genius plain and simple and they will keep doing it no matter how much people complain. Why would they stop?
It isn't a matter of being "crazy enough" unfortunately; as someone who suffers from addictive tendencies, I can tell you that the entire point is to suppress the rational response. And people _can_ be extremely rational people, given the time to think out and chart their course of actions; that's why these gacha hells like Diablo Immortal are purpose-built to put immediate pressure on the player - you can have this _now_ but you only have a limited time, or you're being offered a _one-time only_ deal, so it's now or never. They prey on people who are hooked on the dopamine hit of instant gratification and number-go-up. These companies literally hire departments to research more manipulative practices, for fuck sake.
@@AlwaysANemesis It's no different than any casino or alcohol dependances etc. Anything that makes you happy become addictive and can become a real problem.
It is your responsibility to control yourself if you know you have a weakness there, or to seek help if you're unable to control yourself. We have the tools to do it nowadays.
Nobody is forced to play their game, they are selling a production in a very efficient way like millions of companies are doing. Their biggest sin, they are more successful than others, but that's that.
Do not play a game with lootbox or pay-to-win mechanic if you know you can't help yourself to spend too much money on it!
the sad thing is the streamers who are playing it to "show how bad the monetization is" are the ones that have been helping feed Blizzard the money to make the game worth making, us gamers as a whole have already lost the war because of idiots like these keeping these companys in business. It's another step towards making this the norm.
Not necessarily. One possible outcome is that enough people who would have spent money are dissuaded from even starting up the game that the $16k from one streamer is still a net loss. If the average person would've put $25 in to try it once, seen how little they got out of it and quit, and 640 of those people never play because of the streamer, it balances out. Out of the thousands and thousands of people seeing the streams and the resulting articles, there were almost definitely at least 640 people who would've been curious enough to give it a shot but decided against it.
"We heard you guys like games so we put some gameplay in our RNG casino." -Blizzard
And this is before Season 2, where they add amulets for each gem slot that can hold five of these full awakened gems at once. And then nerf all the gems so you need to fill up all the amulets.
And then a year later, Diablo Immortal Reborn, a new game with the exact same mechanics, but a cool new coat of paint, and new bosses (if you're lucky). Servers for the first game shut down at this point.
Quick question, is there a benefit to getting 5/5 star gems in-game?
The benefit is you go into financial debt and you get to shorten you're lifespan if you hate living.
Yea, pushes your power past what armor can do alone
@@saihiko9967 😂😂😂
@@saihiko9967 this mofo speaking facts
I mean, yes. That's like asking if there's a benefit to getting legendary items or sets in D3 😅
I've spent like $4200 in genshin and I own almost every character, this is just mental what Diablo is doing
4200us ont this garbage? lmao
@@videoradeon I know right!
Kinda of funny how an ad for Diablo Immortal played right before this video started lol