Best small quiet generator Cummins Onan P4500i
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2020
- We unbox and review the Cummins ONAN P4500i Digital Inverter Generator. We find out if it can start a 15k BTU A/C and remain relatively quiet under load. We use our Db meter and test the sound levels.
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I live in Wisconsin and I was wondering how this unit works in snow and cold weather and where do you store it while it’s operating? I’m thinking about getting something for emergencies. Amazing video thank you🎉💝
ok, sure the remote start is cool, but how does it help that much since for starting, nothing should be plugged in. You still have to walk out and plug it up. Sure you can do a warm up with the remote, but pretty soon you must get up anyway, right?
@@chtomlin Good point. Manual always states dont start under load. Yet they add a remote starter to unit.
We bought two of the first versions. Ran them almost 24/7 for two years straight for an off grid camper. One generator had a tick over 14,000 hours, and the other over 9,000 hours. Both still start and run (however one is hard to start 14,000 hour one). Needless to say we were very impressed. When we built an off grid cabin we bought one about 6 months ago, and the new one has around 2,500 hours.
Run Mobil 1 full synthetic 10W-30 HiMi and change the oil around every 500 hours (or when oil shut off happens). I use E3 22 spark plugs and change every 2,000 hours. Never messed with the air filter except rinse it out.
Had to take one apart after 6,000ish hours due to a rubbed wire. Other than that no major issues.
They are a tank of a little machine! Surprised that a single cylinder with a dipper oil system and no oil filter can last that long.
What's the fuel consumtion per day
@@OffRoadOutpost That’s hard to say per day as daily needs varies; but I will go through around 12 gallons (two 5gal safety cans,and one 2gal safety can) per week. Running regular pump gas since new and no problems.
If I run 12 divided by 7 it comes to an average of about 1.71gal per day roughly.
This is with a E3 22 spark plug.
However most of time it’s a light-medium load on the generator.
If heavy loads (table saw) I will use more.
Always start a generator with no load. Allow it to come up to speed, then turn on it's breaker for the load. Shut off with no load, for best care of your genset....and your electronics.
Right…!?!?!? He should of read his manual first..! Starting with no load I thought was just common sense….
I own two of the identical looking Westinghouse iGen4500DF generators. They both have run great but also have some issues. I have had the first one for about a year and a half and I used it to charge my Victron inverter with my off-grid power system. It charged the inverter great for 5 months. It had charging issues briefly before, but they went away. Recently, the charging issue came back. It randomly stopped charging my inverter and caused the inverter to shut down. Both times, I also tested it with a space heater right after they problem occurred, and it it would not fully power the space heater either. It was never overloaded. I always kept my input current limited so that the generator was never above 50-70 percent load and I use a powerful carpet blower to keep it cool. The second generator, which I have had for about a month, does not start on random occasions. This is probably easily fixed, but not exactly something I appreciate for a newly-purchased product. Both generators are in warranty and both issues are yet to be diagnosed. I intended to set up one of the generators to auto-start with an Atkinson generator start module connected to the inverter. I also tried to Westinghouse WGen9500DF, but returned it. That generator was an overkill for my charging needs, but also would not start without manually setting the choke. It came with a remote start as well. So, what is the purpose of a remote start if you have to manually set the choke before you start? Again, likely something small may have been wrong out of the box, but still unsatisfactory for a new product. A friend, who also had issues with his, believes these generators do not put out their rated power,. Although well-running, at this point, I do not believe these Westinghouse generators are adequate for my auto-start and charging needs. I need a system that will not fail. Unfortunately, I need to run off a large propane tank, so this Cummins generator is not an option. I am planning to purchase an LP Cummins Onan RV generator. I hope the $4000-$5000 for that unit will get me a generator that can run without any babysitting. Any suggestions or comments on personal experiences would be appreciated.
I've had this one for almost a year and put about 50hrs on it and love it. I also have a 2000w Honda generator but wanted to be able to run my AC. I was looking at the Honda Companion Gen and this one and decided on the Cummins 4500i mainly because the 4500i cost $1049.00 and a 2200 Honda was around $1100.00. Just made since to get the 4500i and sell my Honda 2000. I'm glad I did, just my 2cents.
Not impressed with the video. Intro way to long get real instruments to test with .
just got this baby last week. friggin incredible machine.
My 3500 watt Inverter gen from Harbor Freight runs my 15K Roof air on my Rv no problem. And the Micro wave and everything else. Cost $700 and will run 10 hours on 2 gallons of gas AND is quiet. Started right up during the Great Texas FUBAR storm when it was 2F outside.
Amen on the 3500 predator, had one for over 2 yrs on my rv . I did a delete on it and much better.
@@Jarhead68 what is the Delete what does it do for the generator
@@kevinbrown9642 sorry I missed your comment. UA-cam predator 3500 charcoal canister delete. Several videos on it and very easy to do ,
@Hire Husky Construction where did you find that $800 price / deal on this generator? Everywhere I'm looking theyre between $1000-1300..??
@George Zaid when they 1st came out you could get them for 700 but not anymore.
I have the Westinghouse 4500 year and a half no problems love it QUITE, AND NEVER FAILED TO START. HAD 2 FIRMANS 3800 BOTH SHIT THE BED IN 3 MONTHS
Excellent look over! Straight to the point and informative. Well done sir.
Fantastic review. I'm sold. I've been looking for a portable generator to replace a crappy one I bought at Canadian Tire for about $350 Cdn that only produced 1500 watts. I knew I needed more output and the number of features with this is fantastic.
I own a 10 year old onan 4200 and its quiet and still run great . The features i like on yours that i wish were on mine , the small door to check oil , the charge cord ( first start of the year the battery on mine is normally dead and have to pull start ) and the remote but mine still runs great so it will be awhile before i replace it .
Joel, I have a question I live in Wisconsin how does it do in cold and snow ? I live by myself I’m thinking about getting one for emergencies I have a wood shed I’m thinking about putting it in there .it only has one wall and tarp on the other two sides as walls .
Mine doesnt have the battery maintainer like the new ones do , thus the only problem ive had is the battery dieing . However its always started great even with pullcord , 2 to 4 pulls its running . Lately i just ran the battery wire out thru a hole in the bottom and use my booster pack ( audew is awesome ) . Use some gas stable and it will be ready when you need it . I live in maine very similar weather
I just ordered one of these a couple days ago.
just added you nice to see you both thank you.
Yep, the Westinghouse IGEN4500 videos came up as suggested after this video and if you watch, it is the exact same generator right down to the fancy display. OK, it is blue in color, my bad.
I thought something was up with it being Cummins "Onan" branded.
All about marketing smoke and mirrors, gimmickry.
I had mine for just over a year now. Never had an issue u til about a week ago. When I went to add gas I noticed the pull start card was laying on the ground next to it. Not sure what happened. But I think it happened when I used the remote to start it.. still runs fine. Just need to get that fixed before the battery goes I guess
I have one of these I love it. I had LPG before which was great but this is literally a hookup in a box! But all that sun I would max out my 1000W I hope!
Thanks for the review! I'm looking for a generator that I can navigate on my own, and afford. This seems like a definite contender!
Thanks. Pretty cool. I really want one
Thanks for this, I’ve been looking at different ones. I was looking at the Westinghouse 4500 and then when I saw a Cummins I had to look ., Just like I thought ,it would be well made and thought out.
I have the same one buy branded as a Hyundai - excellent machine a hook up on wheels :)
I bought the Onan it's the best one out their it's quiet and works Great !
Does the battery/master switch need to be on for the trickle charger?
Hi Rob. The generator is awesome. Please make sure you secure it to the camper with a heavy cable and lock. Also, looking forward to more great sailing adventures.
Thanks! Those little generators have a tendency to grow legs when nobody’s looking. More sailing adventures on the way soon, just got our sails back from the loft after a month of having a full checkup done and few repairs.
How has that generator held up. I used to work for Cummins. But back then generators were much bigger 40k was a small one.
Anyway I'm looking for a very quiet one. I only need it for the AC and heater in winter. I just have a van so I'm gonna put the generator in a box on the bumper.
How much fuel does it still use. An would you buy it again a year or more later.
Thank you for sharing, one question, does it produce a pure sine wave? (I'm guessing yes)
Does anyone know how how this Perform In cold climates and snow ? It would only be used for emergencies .
Thank you for the review! I donated a few bucks via paypal.
Awesome, thank you so much! We really appreciate it!
Can you get a convert kit to use dual fuel?
Just got this generator, and for half the price of a honda 3300 and 3000. It does the job just as good, or even better. But just a little tip, for a brand new unit, do a oil change after 30min to a hour. Lots of glitter for the first break in period.
wow button and remote start! so I'm assuming this has a carbon monoxide shut off safety switch. I wonder if it has 1 gallon or 2 gallons or 3 gallons of gas. Does it say it needs a 85 gas or regular gas? Also how much does the unit weigh? cost?
Woah I was so relaxed watching this video! Had to share this is such a chill ass video I love it. Subbed!
Just wondering how this generator has performed since purchas.
Great presentation. I'm in love with what I'm seeing. I must have this 8th wonder of the world. THANK GOD you supplied a link. It seems like Amazon is offering a Westinghouse version of the Cummins. Looks like a clone. OK fine I'm still interested, so I'm ready to buy this marvelous machine. I put in my information and I get a red flag. NOT AVAILABLE IN CALIFORNIA. Now I sit here broken hearted.
You get what you vote for.
nice generator!
It doesn't require a break in run period on it's initial use before giving it load? That's interesting.
Is it better than the Predator 5000.
this is exactly like Westinghouse ?
AND I HAVE 2 OF THEM A NEW OINE COMING THIS WEEK BEST DAM GENSET MY OLD ONE HAS OVER 6000 HRS ON IT
Where can I get this , and can you tell me model # etc.
Great video. Also, i have to say, each time a new gen-set is run for the first time or after overnight (or long period) of stall (not in running), its best to first manually pull the hand pull start for more than couple of times (with the switch OFF) so that the oil and gas circulated. Then turn on the switch before manually pull start or button start the generator. Thay is only if you want to make the engine last longer. Plus, i still have not see anyone do it in any generator review or whatsoever in youtube.
Your absolutely correct💯💯💯👈👍
@@sink38ms They do show this in a Genmax 9000 video. Good idea.
Rolling a new engine over with the switch off removes the assembly grease off the valvetrain wear points and begins squeezing out the assembly lube from the rod and wrist pin journals causing premature wear and engine failure. It has splash lubrication. It has no oil pump so so oil is being circulated by rolling the engine over. The oil dipper has to reach running velocity through the oil to kick it up where it is needed. It uses 10w-30 so that oil stays in place for well over a year once oiled. It would oil it a lot better it you picked it up and shook it or rolled the whole generator over on the lawn before starting it. The fuel also doesn't circulate like a fuel injected rig. There is no fuel pump. It is gravity feed and it fills the carb in the time it takes to turn on the fuel switch, activate the battery and hit the start switch the bowl is full.
Where do you get it fixed????
Westinghouse iGen4500 4,500/3,700-Watt Gas Powered Inverter Generator is the exact same unit for $949.00 at Home Depot.
YOU ARE RIGHT, I HAVE THE WESTINGHOUSE
Were can I buy , location or tru online shop ?
Link for generator takes you to a Westinghouse that looks equivalent. Is this on purpose? Same machine?
Chinese factories are pumping these out and putting several names on them. Yes, they are all the same.
What's with all the Honda owners crapping every generator video not named Honda? They always saying how great their generator is without anybody asking. Did you know that the Honda usually cost 2 times or more than comparable generators? Of course it gotta be better. I don't go to a Honda Accord review to say how much better my mercedes is. Same thing applies here.
nice unit!
What is the cost
Looking at a Westinghouse , looks identical ?
Where did you purchase it? Seems to be shortages of different generators at the moment.
The westinghouse at lowes is the same product
How much does it costs?
Wow 😳!
Plug things in AFTER you start it per the manual and my experience with harming the engine on start with an AC running also on accident.
How has it held up? Just purchased the same generator. Still in the box 😂
Does anyone know if you can put an aux fuel tank on this unit?
Christe Batson I would have thought you could put an aux fuel tank on any generator!!
Nice review. What db app is that you have on your watch?
it comes with the apple watch 4 and up i believe
HOW ABOUT THAT!!! You FINALLY "tested" a semi-quality gen-set! Now try a Cummins/ONAN TWIN cylinder 5KW running watt inverter unit! I own one and it's quiet enough to RUN ALL-NIGHT IN A NATIONAL PARK!!! Only two liquid-cooled Honda models QVR's (and some built-in liquid-cooled RV Suzuki, Yamaha, Yanmar and Kawazaki's) and the 5KW ONAN twin air cooled are legal to do that. Read the posted sign board in a National Park Campground about "Quiet Hours" and what's allowed and not allowed or your Golden Eagle Pass. When the power fails, a natural gas Cummins/ONAN won't bother your neighbors. My neighbor has a whole-house liquid-cooled ONAN that provides heat and hot water and I can't hear it running when I'm outside, 35 feet away. His is a triple. It'll also out-last 5-10 GENERAC one-lunger's.
Carburetor? Isn’t it fuel injected?
Very relaxing aura around you brother, New Sub, you should try doing a podcast or reading books. Where in florida is this?
Thank you. We actually do have a podcast. royalcruiseblog.com/podcast/
so your link, gos to Amazon, and displays Westinghouse ?? same ?
I wonder the same thing? The Westinghouse and Cummins look exactly alike other than color. Specs and weight are exactly the same. Westinghouse can be found cheaper
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Is this similar to the Champion 4500 model? Seems to look almost identical. 🤔
Looks like the Westinghouse.
Badge engineering
@@seapanther53 "Westinghouse" and this "cummins" are made on the same production line by Ducar.. There are really only two OEMs that make all generators and both are in China..
How much the cost
Amazon is not selling it, buying direct from cummins is going to be expensive, anywhere else (yes I looked) to get it? HB sells theirs for 900 not 700.
Nossa mano legal esse gerador quanto custa um desses 👍
$1200 dólares mais ou menos
The Cummins looks identical (other than color) to the Westinghouse iGEN4500. Are you able to confirm that they're the same machine
They are the same!
I bet the warranty and CS isn't the same. 🎯😎
@@jefflancaster6587 Same..
Sir how much u paid is it diesel or gas
How heavy is it?
96lbs
Look like the Westinghouse IGEN 4500. 👍🏻
I wonder if it has the same problem with the auto-choke that the Westinghouse version has.
It is!
It is a Rebadged Westinghouse!
@@donraptor6156 is it available unlike the Westinghouse?
Yep. I have the Westinghouse and I thought that looking at the preview pic. It has worked great at 68 hours with no problems but I got tired of Commiefornia's constant blackouts every time the wind blows so I ordered a Cummins 20KW whole home generator so I no longer will have to set it up each time run cords thru the house.
I’ve always heard Onan is the best
Hard to tell from video, but seems a bit loud. Especially at 4500 watts running the AC unit. Thought it would purr like a kitten.
66db measured right above it is pretty dang good. Don't know you'll actually find something quieter.
I have a Predator 3500 Inverter, way much quieter, runs one of my 1500 btu Ac with tv and all.
It basically just a rebrand of many other with there name on it
These generators are rebranded everywhere
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What's the point of measuring the noise levels when it's NOT under load ????
the link to the generator is dead. Says (nothing to see here) with a picture of a dog.
Are any generators made in the USA these days ?? I am looking for one
I have not found one yet that was. all of them use the same engine
Winco makes generators in the USA.
@Jazz 16 Yes they do use Honda engines but they are loud. They are not built like the Honda EU generators where the cabinet takes care of the noise issue. Winco uses very good windings and generators heads. I have one and has been trouble free for years. I have the Honda GX390. Great motor but it is loud.
This generator looks exactly like the Westinghouse generaotor (of the same rating). The Westinghouse is cheaper. I always wonder if these generators that look exactly alike are in actuality exactly alike?
They are both Ducars.. Just rebranded.. So yes, they are exactly alike inside and out (minus color and stickers)....
Gd one, but for more quite would go with honda eu3000 or eu30is
Is it just me or does he sound a little bit like Red Green?
I worked for Cummins, everytime one of those came in to get worked on, it just stayed. There's no support for parts or service literature. They're flat out trash. They sit in the shop and collect dust, then go to the dumpster
So cummings just refunded the money?
It's because it's likely not Cummins-made, just another 3rd party Chinese unit with branding slapped on. The information center and a lot of the controls are a dead-ringer for those on the Westinghouse units.
Same Thing as a WestingHouse 4500.....
When i click the link above it brings my to a Westinghouse Generator on amazon. I couldn't find the Cummins on Amazon
Excellent review. Honda needs to step it up
Why?
Everyone else needs to step up to Honda quality.
I purchased the Honda for the reliability/ reputation the brand has. It is short on features, but I’m ok with it.
Honda has legendary reliability and industry standard inverter technology. Let's run them under a load and hook up an oscilloscope and see whose generator outputs a waveform cleaner than a Honda. It's not all about decibels and fuel capacity, better look at what your waveform looks like. Honda does have bare bones generators (no fuel gauge, no load meter, etc) but there's a reason they are more expensive. Edit: I have actually looked pretty in depth into this, and spoken with several who are very invested in solar power, etc. Many have told me they wish they could get the inverter Honda uses on its own to use with their solar power projects, etc. It's supposedly the best inverter tech you can buy.
@@adcraziness1501 .
Honda is the Duracell of the generator field. Overall Honda will out live the other generators.
Honda generators are good but I'm not so sure they are worth the money. The Cummins is also a very good generator and is slightly more affordable.
I just wish it had a 240v outlet.
How to order?
Aren't you capable of Googling and find out?
I'm surprised this doesn't run on diesel fuel coming from a Cummins product.
Read instruction. Crank first an then connect an vice versa.
I was hoping it would be diesel being Cummings
It’s not a Cummins Oman it’s a Chinese Generator with License to use the Cummins Onanistic Name.
What did you pay for that Rob?
Turn on the AC and genny said OHHHWHOAAAA WHAT IS THAT !!!
honda ue7000 they have fuel injection they are quieted than that one
Did you skip the break in instructions? If so, it could greatly shorten the life of your unit. Other than that, food vid. Thanks!
I love it, but I found out very quickly that even a quiet little generator is too noisy for the neighbors, so to keep the peace, we use solar panels, batteries and inverters instead just to shut them up. But now, they want to borrow power from us. Can you ever win???
Should’ve told them, “sorry I’m busy that day.”
Gas or Diesel fuel? U keep saying gas.
Interesting they don't put out 12v any more .. only USB power .. 5V @2.5A .. I assume it's because more people are running LifePo4 batteries with solar and MPPT and dedicated DC=DC chargers.
Should always pull the cord about 6 to 10 times to make sure you get the oil circulation through the engine
That's what she said?
It's splash lubrication so that does nothing.
I'm fairly certain that's just a Westinghouse 4500
I would never change my Honda for this Chinese Cummins logo, I’ve been using Honda 3000 for the past 5 years without a single problem
Predator 3500 I’ve put 3000hrs in 6 months on it starts with first pull
Got news for you your Honda generator is made in China 🇨🇳
@@bigdog3604 Taiwan, actuallly.
@@bigdog3604 they were made in China many years ago but not any more.
@@bigdog3604 made in japan buddy. I have them
I got two of them and they are junk. Should have stuck with my old champions
Don't forget to mention if you do actually have to pick it up it's not that bad the whole generator weighs under a hundred pounds