Tony Atlas on Why Modern Wrestling SUCKS!
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Tony Atlas on Why Modern Wrestling SUCKS!
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I love Tony because he speaks from the heart, and he's not malicious while doing it. Met him at a show years back. Very nice man.
I used to like Tony until he publicly stated that he witnessed multiple gang rapes in person and never did anything to prevent or stop it. Sad.
@@PaddyRyan-ck8vl got any place I can read or watch more about this?
This needs to be seen by every promoter and locker room.
A 20 minute wrestling masterclass.
Yes a 1980s wrestling masterclass
Yeah….he didn’t even mention flips, cartwheels, several wrestlers standing still with their arms out to catch a guy they completely miss 50% of the time, casting spells, blading directly in front of the hard camera, whispering to your opponents in front of the hard camera, and THE GREATEST spot of all…standing in the middle of the ring, and trading fake as F forearms and sloppy shite punches EVERY MATCH.
Tony must have forgotten THAT prerequisite…
Also…F*ck storylines…just nothing matches will do!!
YAAAAAAY AEW
YAAAAAAY tiny CucKhan …SNIFFFFFFFF
@@RustyShackleford-bc9ce….since the mental meltdown happened in 2020; 1980 sounds fine🫡🫡
Tony also mentioned being able to press slam his opponents. With the exception of 4 guys…AEWs roster could be DEMOLISHED in a shoot fight with the third tallest 9th grader…
Correct; Adam Cole, Jungle BOY, Darby Allin, Matt Menard and his equally loser pal, Daniel Garcia, Marko F-ing Stunt, young cucks, orange Cassidey, etc. etc…
What a COMPLETE JOKE!!!
9 stars Davey M…Tiny CucKhan wants value for his spending or he MAY stop calling you, and you won’t know if you still have a job….because he is busy working 3 MAJOR jobs VERY POORLY…and needs his ‘meds’
I wonder how many ex-WWE guys continually kick themselves in the ass for leaving to join this travesty of a car pile up that is simultaneously buried under human wastage.
YAAAAAY AEW…
YAAAAAY tiny cuckhan…SNIFF SNIFF
Not really, it's the same old "my generation was the best, everything else sucks", only this time it comes from a never-been who thinks too highly from himsellf and who clearly got kicked too my into the head by women due to his idiotic fetish.
Tony showing his wisdom. He was absolutely right about everything he said.
the modern era sheep can't handle the truth he is speaking.
That Kool-Aid analogy was pure GENIUS
Tony Atlas is a National Treasure!!!
But not true because the different flavors taste differently
@@ithinkaboutthings9052 😂 I forgot about that one!!!
Tony Atlas tells it like it is !!
he's not wrong, today's wrestling sucks!!
Thats facts!...like most sports now imo
It's too soft. and the fans suck too. They're annoying, uneducated and they're SJWs.
Tony was right on the money when he explained how throwing more punches makes it seem less believable. It makes me think of that failed "gets these hands" catch phrase Braun Strowman used to do. One punch from Braun Strowman should be enough.
People Think Tonys Dumb Because the way he talks but he's Dropping
Gems Hear seems like a good guy
Listen to the comments he made on racism in America years ago. He is a total idiot. And this is coming from an independent voter. And I only bring this up because Tony himself brought the topic up so it’s fair game In my opinion. Apparently housing discrimination does not exist and had no effect on the black community. I can listen to him talk wrestling but when he speaks on non wrestling issues it is some of the most ignorant stuff you will ever hear.
@@jaredgarrison333 When you say this, I think of one James Cornette. He has a lot of knowledge about wrestling, yet ask Corny about anything not related to wrestling, and quite often, he sounds like a moron. Cornette doesn't even have much common sense. Cornette is the same person who never thought to carry packaged food or make himself a sandwich on the road, which led to the infamous fast food store incident where he berated an underpaid fast food worker. I've had people in food service make mistakes, and I just smile and tell them it's okay, just fix the error, I'll wait another ten minutes, because I know I'm fortunate to even be in a position to _have_ food.
Many fans think that this wrestler or that wrestler is smart, just because he or she understands the business. Well, a plumber knows all about plumbing, he or she understands the business, yet you wouldn't ask him or her to perform open heart surgery. Knowing a particular industry does not necessarily make one extremely intelligent. The sad thing is that what Tony Atlas is saying isn't especially profound, it should be obvious to just about anybody. Yet here we have a whole generation of wrestlers and promoters who don't get it.
@@markv1274 I’m just saying atlas spoke on racism and it was beyond ignorant and some of the most uneducated comments you will ever here.
@@jaredgarrison333 His Wrestling Knowledge Mate Came down A dont Care about his stance on everything else
@@unclemaca true, but when you bring up a non wrestling opinion I feel I have a right to criticize if I don’t approve.
This is all the reason why I can't stand modern wrestling - too much, too fast, everything is a highspot and finishers mean nothing. I loved the days when a body slam meant something, now it means nothing. Every other wrestler has that greasy, stringy, wet looking hair, it is all the same crap over and over again
The concept of a finisher is dead. If Austin hit a stunner, unless he was physically restrained from pinning the guy, you knew it was over. WM15 wasn’t a great show, but it did have one extremely memorable moment: it was the first time anyone kicked out of a Stunner. That’s something you save for the main event of your premier show of the year. Now it happens 3-4 times a match.
@@zlinedavidspot on
Half of today's wrestlers look friggin' gay
Super Saiyan FACTSSSSS 👏
and it's too soft.
He's right about a big guy punching a little guy and not even leaving a mark makes the big guy look weak.
Loved that example. Made so much sense.
One of the best clips on wrestling psychology. Tony's analogies are perfect.
The Road Runner analogy Tony made is perfect. There are guys nowadays who hit each other with everything and sell nothing.
Yeah makes Jim Cornette’s complaints about women’s hardcore matches make sense
This is one of the best shoots from Tony Atlas I've ever seen💯💯
Jesse Ventura used to get a lot of heat during the first five minutes of a match doing nothing but complaining, stepping over the middle rope with one foot and telling the ref to have the face back off, and rolling out of the ring. Like Tony implied near the end of this clip, you can do far less in a match and generate far more interest by taking your time, working an arm or leg, and doing maybe two or three high spots including the finish. Most of the other older wrestlers say the same thing.
That's an excellent example. The reason why it works is because fans have paid their money to see wrestling, and the time being wasted by the heel is real. Stalling is one of the few things in wrestling that is a shoot, time is real, you can't fake wasting the time of the fans. It makes fans legitimately agitated, so even without cheating, the heel can get the fans to boo him or her. Malia Hosaka still pulls on the tights occasionally, she's very good at this kind of thing. She stalls, complains to the ref, argues with fans, and it works. That's because she's old school and gets it. Nowadays, so many wrestlers want to get all their stuff in within the first five minutes of the match. After that, where do you go?
@@Birdman669same. I don’t know what the hell these kids are in there doing now. God, bless them!
In the age of smart phones with social media. Grown adults scroll through numerous posts constantly looking for different stimulation. Most adults have developed ADD doing this without even realizing.
The solution is to have a perfectly paced match with crowd interaction to keep the smart phone people glued.
The debut of Stone cold vs Savior Vega is perfect example of well paced match.
Part of it is that everybody bumps and nobody sells. It used to be back in the day the babyface would sell and sell, then fire up and the heel would bump. Now that everybody bumps and nobody sells, the babyface firing up and making their comeback has no real effect because every move and every punch or kick has basically the same effect
True! The wrestlers these days don't create any mystique! They don't over-dramatize. Back in the day, the guys that they had were actually great actors!
I think the reason why so many people stopped watching wrestling is because the characters are no longer mysterious. When I was a kid, I 100% believed the characters were real. There is no more mystique left. Everyone knows they are just playing characters now. Even though you may have suspected it back then, you didn’t know for sure. I left when the attitude era left.
kayfabe is dead
3:16: _“Every person out there believes that wrestling is fake. It is your job to prove that it's not.”_
Please for the love of god, someone hire this man now.
Tony was quoting George Scott.
I agree that Tony should be hired though.
THIS is the smartest I have ever heard Tony sound. Great shoot here!
Today's wrestling sucks compared to the stuff from the 80s and 90s. And wrestlers like Flair, Savage, Hogan, Piper, Morocco, Anderson, Baker, etc. delivered much better promos than anyone today.
The three best promos in the game today: Cena, Punk, Heyman. And it’s no shock that they either came up through that era or were taught by guys from that era. 90% of them are just reciting scripted lines. Getting out in front of a crowd and changing your promo on the fly based on the crowd’s reaction (or lack thereof) is a lost art.
I prefer Heyman. But nobody can match Henan, Ventura, Mosoon, Solie and Okerlund.
The wrestlers had no writers to tell them how to do their match and how to talk in their Interviews. The wrestlers had to use their own ideas and be creative.
Heyman is one of the few who can cut promos and take bumps.
@@PassivePortfolios If we’re listing managers, Cornette has to be on that list.
Tony is absolutely right. Today's wrestling is pure garbage.
the fanboys that defend it are delusional annoying idiots too.
Can’t believe Tony Atlas had to explain this to people. But here we are
Back when real men were wrestler's not the Circus 🎪 we got today
Tony Atlas is completely right
Now there are fans that don’t care if it looks fake, they actually like it because they see wrestling as an ironic mockery
James is a great interviewer because he let's the wrestler talk without interruption. People watch these clips to hear from the wrestler, not the person asking the questions. As long as the wrestler is not continually repeating himself, James let's him go. Also, James keeps his questions short and to the point, again letting the wrestler carry the conversation.
Race was 10x better than Flair. And I love Ric. Ask Ric himself. He loved Harley
Agree 100%, but it's more than that nowadays they think flip and flop is what people wanna see so they all the move that makes no sense the thight slap or clap hands its so bad
Of all the interviews I have seen of Tony on UA-cam this is the best.
"Everyone out there believes wrestling is fake. Its your job (as a wrestler) to make em believe it is not" This is a badass quote that promotions should religiously follow
This man is a legend and I used to watch him as a kid when there was so few black wrestlers around. He speaks the truth and is still here to tell it. A literal hall of famer right there setting it straight on the business. He has been there and done it.
Modern wrestling really is garage i used to watch in the early two thousands but now a days its trash i agree with this guy
To be fair, wrestling in the early 2000s was no better. In fact, I was telling people back in the Attitude Era that the Attitude Era would be the last hurrah for wrestling. Turned out that I was right. A lot of casual viewers who had watched since the '80s stopped watching, or came back for a little while and then stop watching again. Many viewers at the time only started watching during the Attitude Era, then disappeared quickly because wrestling was no longer "cool"--bandwagon jumpers.
Let's face it, once an unruly employee beats up his employer (a multimillionaire, no less) and gets away with it countless times, where do you go? Why doesn't _every_ wrestler show a flagrant disrespect for the owner of the company? When an octogenarian gives birth to a hand, that's no long sports entertainment, that's sci-fi horror. Who's going to watch this crap?
Remember, the late '90s and early 2000s had Edge, Christian and the Hardys with their tables, ladders and chairs bullshit. You had the Hell In A Cell matches, with Mick Foley on a seemingly never ending quest to cripple himself--or worse, leave his children without a father. One big bump should end the match, but uh-uh, not if you're Mick Foley or one of the Hardys. So, even back then, it was either turning into a garbage festival or already was one.
Great interview. Professional Wrestling - Sports Entertainment in the last number of decades is nothing more then a Spot Fest.
Piledrivers, Superplexes, DDT's, Neckbreakers, etc. are nothing more then transitional moves but that school boy roll up i beat you with put you in ER.
During my time in the business the average match was like watching most Popeye cartoon episodes. Each and everytime Bluto does something to get over with Olive Oyl, Popeye one ups him.
Eventually Bluto gets so frustraded, flustered, whatever and beats the Shiznit out of Popeye and is ready to take Olive Oyl as his prize. Popeye someway somehow opens up that can of Spinach and makes the huge face comeback on Bluto and that leads to the finish.
Fast forward the face or heel or should we say " Character " climbs up to section ZK of the Upper Mezzanine and attempts a Plancha on his opponent. Whether the Plancha is hit or not it's usually not the finish but that devastating school boy roll up is.🤕🤪
Hulk hogan said that wrestlers today are training in the same school
Back then wrestling was a mystery for everyone,but,since media program's exposed the business,it's just a common thing about the behind the scene's stuff nowaday's!Great Interview!
Tony Atlas is a really smart guy. Very smart!
Not really, what he's saying is pretty basic. What's amazing is that there are countless wrestlers and promoters who don't get it.
Not many wrestlers are this insightful. This is excellent. Can't believe he didn't find more backstage work.
Caught me some Atlas from day 1 in Mid Atlantic mid/late 70s.Tony always showed up and showed out from day 1.
Tony and Rocky Johnson were a hell of a team.
OMG I can't believe Tony Atlas articulated this subject better than anyone, including Jim Cornette...modern wrestling does suck and this is why...
Wow Tony knows a lot. That is called experience my friends.
Also wisdom
😆 back in the 80’s when they’d make them turn their smartphones in before going into the building
Back in the 80s, cell phones were big enough to use as weapons and made really short phone calls.
We didn't have smartphones in the '80s--and very few people had mobile phones. Normally, the only folks who had them were big wheel yuppies and high-rolling drug dealers.
Regardless, those presses Tony Atlas did with other guys could not have been faked in anyway shape of form. Tony Atlas was always the real deal and without a doubt one of my all time favorite wrestlers of all time.
I hate when Tony Atlas says he's not that smart because clearly, he is very smart! His memory is impeccable, he makes sense when he speaks, and he makes very good comparisons!
I was never really a Tony atlas fan growing up but now....watching his videos, he's one of my favorite HUMANS.....
Just such a genuine and likeable human being.
One love!
Biggest problem is that the wrestlers today are unbelievable talented but there's no stars at all, no unique charcters , no real star to build any company around. Cena was the last true star of wrestling. Usa, Mexico and japan viewership over the past 10 yeara has dropped so much and still declining plus wwe and aew main demographic is 40-50 , same in mexico and japan it basically not getting new fans and old fans are dropping off
Love Tony Atlas interviews
Tony preaching... amen
"Turning fantasy into reality" That Jason analogy was perfect.
That's how I feel about Bray Wyatt. All the hardcore smarks or "reality" marks talk about how hokey it is, but he makes me suspend disbelief more than someone like Lashley cutting a regular promo or acrobatic spots where wrestlers wait and catch someone.
👏 👏
Normally I watch Tony atlas clips for a laugh, but this is really truthful insightful stuff.
Cool to see Tony still have all of his facilities at his age
That Road Runner analogy is so simple yet so perfect.
Excellent spoken knowledge of the business. To see in the comments people denying the legitimacy of what he is saying is ridiculous. Like the saying goes, “only a fool denies knowledge.”
Someone forward this video to Kenny & the Young Phucks
Tony is far from perfect, but he is a sincere person with interesting insight.
i greatly appreciate what tony said in the beginning. very few wrestlers are NOT repetitious. so when you hear flair and bret or others gripe about others being repetitious the reality is most of them are. performers giving different matches is the exception rather than the rule.
the spot tony talks about the 10-count punch to a guy while standing on the turnbuckle was routine in 80s wwf. it was the first clue to about 8 year old me that it was a work. just like tony said, how could hulk hogan who's 300lbs with the biggest "biceps in the world" not knock a guy out, leave him bloody, break the bone or even leave a mark on a heel after drilling him in the face 10 times.... but of course by that time they probably weren't too concerned with keeping kayfabe anymore
It’s a shame so many wrestling finishes haven’t been protected. Between the overuse of spears and the super kicks, it’s just different to watch anymore.
Tony Atlas was the last wrestler to clean pin Hulk Hogan
It wasn't Piper?
@@popeyedoyle6360 Jacques Rougeau pinned Hogan in WCW.
Great interview but one thing no one had camera phones in the 1980s
I love that both Mr USA here, and Al Snow, used the magician act as an analogy - very apt
i don’t find wrestling interesting anymore and don’t think i ever willl however i do find these videos interesting, old timers discussing the methodology , work and efforts of the performers and everyone involved make is fascinating
"I don't like wrestling today because I feel like there are certain people in wrestling today that are getting opportunities even many WWE legends never got...Roman Reigns & Seth Rollins are my two best examples when every time WWE gets desperate for ratings these two always get set up to win a championship even when they were suppose to lose, WWE writes it where they keep the titles." 😎😎😎
by the way, identical twins do not have the same fingerprints.
I was a big fan 80s,90s an early 2000s but i dont watch it anymore it just not as good as it used to be i really miss how it was
I was in highschool during the attitude era. Knew it was fake, but the wrestlers were so authentic that it forced suspended disbelief. There was nothing like watching Monday Night Raw on USA back in the late 90s
Wise words from Mr U.S.A Tony Atlas . Huge fan from Toronto 🇨🇦.
Tony Atlas, Butch Reed,Sweet Brown Sugar, was the shit back in the day….
WWE has absolutely no incentive to improve their product. AEW did nothing to make them take notice.
Tony Atlas is awesome, I love his honesty!
Could listen to him all day
I had the pleasure of hanging out with Tony in CT a couple of years back....down to earth cool dude....humble....and he speaks truth....
Tony is WAY sharper regarding the business than many give him credit for.
Great words of wisdom
*17:44*
Describes AEW and that ilk PERFECTLY
Tony Atlas was dropping A LOT of knowledge in this clip
Bobby Heenan literally said this same thing after Vince exposed the business. Dont try to fix something thats broken. Listen to the old guys while we still have them.
Vince Junior never "exposed" the business, he just told people what they already knew. It was _where_ and _why_ he said it that made the difference, he didn't want wrestling to be under the same regulations as regular sports. Yet people generally knew that wrestling was a work. Don't believe me? Here's a clip from the '80s show HARDCASTLE AND MCCORMICK (ua-cam.com/video/bUJr0CkBEQs/v-deo.html). The two wrestlers call spots in the match. So, the notion of wrestlers cooperating obviously wasn't a secret at that point. This was a few years before Vince Junior stated to the court that wrestling was not a sport as such. Some years earlier, on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, THE BENNY HILL SHOW did a similar thing, they had a sketch where two wrestlers discussed amusing details of their personal lives whilst working a match. The general public had known for years.
Best explanation so far!
Young Bucks, Omega, Page, Cassidy etc don’t sell anything
Imagine the CEO of General Electric not wanting his electricians to learn how to work. Imagine the CEO of MGM not wanting his contracted actors to learn how to work, the owner of New England Patriots not wanting his players to learn how to work.
That's actually how it is in most corporations. They want you to be 100 dependent on the system they create so you'll be worthless if you go anywhere else. They want 100 control over anything an employee does.
I know i still enjoy wrestling b/c i love watching the old stuff.... I just cant get into the new stuff and by new I mean about 2006+. Its hard to be the 80s and 90s
Excellent video. Unfortunately wrestling can never return to that.
On s good note the fans know what their getting now and still watch.
That why wrestling is dying
When Tony speaks he carries and follow thru with his pronunciation making sure u hear each and every word....
His pronunciation is unusually good here. Typically, he speaks like Mushmouth from The Cosby Gang.
I love all pro wrestling companies, I don't care if pro wrestling is all scripted, fake, etc.. But I hate it when all pro wrestling companies screw their younger wrestlers over and focus way too much on their veteran wrestlers. And I hate it when politics are involved in pro wrestling-related storylines. Same goes for religion.
A prime example would be Money in the Bank a couple weeks ago. We start off with 7 men damn near killing each other off a ladder, next match, wrestling holds
What an interesting guy, great video!
Tony Atlas is a legend #1 and I agree with him wrestling was more believeable back n they day and it sucks now back in the day wasnt no 1 kicking out no 1's finisher back n the day sum1 hit they finisher it was over now days ppl got to hit they finisher over and over like in wwe 2k to win
Tony is so humble...
I used to like Tony until he publicly stated that he witnessed multiple gang rapes in person and never did anything to prevent or stop it. Sad.
If an investor would come in and use The old wwf wrestling model of the 70s and 80s with a modern twist they would make a lot of money in the business. There is no competition in the business so WWE is getting away with a bad product.
That’s the most sense I ever heard out of Tony Atlas. That was a master class.
“Wrassling be sucking now” - Tony Atlas
THIS joke falls flat considering that Tony was VERY articulate and accurate in his disposition of modern wrestling being an undesirable product. Your perception of him is based on his speech impediment which is simply childish and shows your lack of IQ ironically. You see many people in the comments section giving Tony praise for his wisdom here. It was nothing spoken in the goofy sentence structure that you are depicting of him.
@@Rondondemarco I love Atlas and have watched him from the 70’s. He has a great disposition and there is nothing derogatory about my comment. The lack of IQ is more consistent with your response.
When I was a little girl (Im 51 now) my uncle used to tell me how he would see the wrestlers out eating and celebrating together. That led him to believe that it was all fake. I still watched wrestling for my personal entertainment until 2-3 years ago. I think I have finally outgrown it. The only thing I would be interested in seeing now is a good womans match.
I loved watching a young Tony Atlas work! Modern wrestling is horrible
I remember that's how Jim Dugguan & the Iron Sheik lost there job getting pulled over by a cop . When people got notice a bad guy & good guy was together .Vince fired them.
Great insight and articulation of the difference in wrestling eras by Tony.
If you really wanted knowledge, get pass his accent and Tony just gave a ton away. I remember from an older interview where he said he was homeless. After being a higher up, got involved with drugs. But got clean and here he is, trying to teach the craft.
well damn, Tony Atlas made some sense for once. @ 3.15 his remark about fantasy was pretty on point. 👍
Just by reading the comments it says people still want to see REAL PRO WRESTLING! Not the shit that's on TV currently! Move after move after move not acknowledging any of them. People running million dollar wrestling companies just can't seem to figure this out. I don't want to see a baby face and a heel playing grab ass after they just supposedly went to "War". The current NWA product is probably the closest I've seen to Real Wrestling currently? Feel free to comment or have a positive discussion. 🙂🙂
Just find the old school territory shows and stay away from the modern shit.
The end of pro wrestling was when Iron Sheik and Hacksaw got arrested in the same car. I'm sure Vince was pissed.
People know it is not real, but they want to believe. As Jim Cornette once said (paraphrasing), "The difference between wrestlers and preachers nowadays is that preachers still keep kayfabe."
Social medias killed the kayfabe
@@babalarassrah True. Social media helped kill kayfabe for pro wrestling, but not for religion.
When the Internet was really starting to get going 25+ years ago, I was very optimistic that people were going to be better informed, more educated, and more understanding of others. The shame is that the opposite happened. Now people think that Earth is flat, JFK Jr is still alive, and that 2020 Presidential election was stolen. The Internet made many of us more ignorant.
Well just watch it, then watch the old stuff and you'll know.
Cant wait to see the whole shoot!!