I love gimmicks when they're based on other media like how Crow Sting was based off The Crow, Razor Ramon based off Scarface, Kane based off slasher movie villians, etc.
Great video, as always. One of my favourite archetypes has always been the cult leader gimmick: Bray Wyatt, Raven, Waylon Mercy, Ministry-era Taker, Kevin Sullivan before he was too legit to quit. Always found it really engaging stuff.
The character was partially based on Jim Jones, so... He wasn't there long enough to get a cult but I reckon it would have been on the cards.@@Terryfrost219
Seeing the Mountie in the end made me think of Law Enforcement and Military gimmicks. Mountie, Big Boss Man, Captain Shawn Dean, "Rambo" Greg Gagne, The Truth Commission (adjacent to military), Lacey Evans, The MIA, Sgt. Slaughter, Sgt. Craig Pittman
Lol, not sure if it's in the vid, but Teddy was a referee in WCW before he was chosen to become a Mgr, and his first tag team to manage, was Harlem Heat (Booker T & bro Stevie Ray)! Can You Dig It, Playa?
Adam Pearce does a good job on Raw. He doesn’t really have a gimmick. He’s just an Everyman trying to do his job effectively and not get threatened by his muscled up coworkers.
The antihero gimmick is one that people enjoy no matter the era, as long as it's done in a way that isn't corny. Stone Cold stands head and shoulders above them all because he is much like the character he portrayed.
@17thNO Kanye west? The guy who announced he loved Hitler? The guy who made Jewish executives kiss pictures of Hitler before business deals? Hes an anti hero? You're an American, right?
Idk if Dragunov can be described as the scrappy underdog I mean maybe in his feud with Walter but *right now* even against guys who are much bigger than he is Bron Corbin Dijak, he never feels like the underdog he is so intense and brutal
Honestly rappers seem to do the best out of all the music men. Acclaimed and early John Cena come to mind. Even TNA era Ron Killings was a world champion with a rapping gimmick
I would argue you can make the authority figure work as a baby face, but you can't have them be the star of the show in the same way as a heel authority figure can be. If you see Bob Armstrong in Smokey Mountain Wrestling, the face authority figure works more as a way of giving the fans some justice for the actions of the heels (fines, booking rematches etc.), and as a tool for keeping storylines going rather than having constant backstage attacks or run ins. The problem is when you try and have the face authority figure be someone with a huge profile like Hulk Hogan in TNA or Shawn Michaels in WWE (although both were constantly turning) as you can't have them be that side figure like Bob Armstrong or Jack Tunney who is only there occasionally to keep things moving.
You made the point I wanted to make. The face authority figure works best as a side character. They also can act as the glue to make the overall environment work. The competing GMs for Raw and Smackdown Adam Pierce and Nick Aldis are perfect examples. Why should I care which show Jade Cargill goes to? Well, if Raw and Smackdown are market competitors, then it gives me some reason to care.
Working as a creative with a lower-end indy promotion, I'd hope for more of these videos. I like the idea of trying to figure out a gimmick, as Ray Candy said to New Jack: "you've never seen before." See all the archetypes and try to figure out some sort of gimmick that doesn't fit ANY archetype.... and if it's even possible....
As somebody who comes from an academic background in literature and theater, part of why I’ve gravitated towards professional wrestling so much is because I see so many similarities between it and classic archetypal theater throughout history. Like wrestling, staged art such as the Commedia dell’arte, Peking Opera, Noh Theater, and dozens of others were able to tell simplistic, but thrilling stories by utilizing handfuls of widely circulated caricatures and routines. All of this is to say that not only do I think that archetypes in wrestling are great, I think they’re part of professional wrestling’s fundamental makeup.
I think one we see a lot is the Street Fighter. Not fireball throwing martial-arts warriors, but the guy who touts they were born and raised on the "mean streets" and brings that knowledge to the ring, like the Street Profits, Cryme Tyme, the Nasty Boys, etc.
I always just classified it as Blue Collar, but Street Fighter probably fits better, since it doesn't imply a job itself being the gimmick (and Day Job gimmicks probably qualify as their own archetype anyway). But yeah, Eddie Kingston is probably the GOAT of this archetype. Not enough ugly (extremely relatively speaking in Eddie's case, man has the most perfect eyebrows in the business, lmao), tough old cusses who just beat the hell outta people. Mox mixes it in nicely with his loose cannon character as well. Sheamus in The Bar and especially as an old-timey hooligan also nicely embodies the trope. Finlay's definitely on the Blue Collar/Street Fighter Mount Rushmore alongside Eddie too. But it doesn't just have to be ugly tough fat guy energy. As you noted, Cryme Tyme & Street Profits fit the archetype nicely, and they're both *very* different portrayals from each other and the most common Nasty Boy types. Cryme Tyme had those brutishly violent vignettes heralding their debut, but once they actually showed up they got by almost entirely on comedic charm, street smarts, & hustling marks. And the Street Profits have the most amazing chaotic, crazy athletic streetball energy about them. So I think the archetype definitely works well with the way video was structured! There's certain common aesthetics & some fairly iconic portrayals, while leaving enough space for a lot of different stylistic approaches to find success under the same banner.
The Soldier: Sgt. Slaughter, Corporal Kirchner, GI Bro The Multi-Sport Guy: Sparky Plugg Bob Holly, The Goon, Abe Knuckleball Schwartz The Strong Man: Ken Patera, Dino Bravo, Mark Henry The Cowboy: Smokin Gunns, Cowboy Bob Orton, Justin Hawk Bradshaw Were there other Ass Men apart from The Booty Man and Billy Gunn?
The comedy gimmicks on their own warrant a deep dive Early Eric Young and Black Machismo Jay Lethal are the first that come to my mind but going back there's everyone from Les Kellett to R Truth....
Never forget that Mick Foley's road to the championship started by being a comedy wrestler who was the only babyface who seemed to love Mr. Mcmahon and couldn't see just how much the chairman hated him....
the all american babyface(hogan, cena, cody rhodes) daredevils(jeff hardy, rvd, darby allen) the faction enforcer( solo sikoa, batista, big bossman, jake hagger) cocky trash talkers( the rock, the miz, mjf)
Ironically, when WWF booked “King” Harley Race in Memphis they got sued by Lawler because nobody can be booked as “king” in Memphis. and Jerry Lawler won
Can we just take a minute to remember that the Undertaker started out as an "occupation" gimmick and was portrayed more as a wild west undertaker, so much so that the Undertaker used to do promos while hand crafting his opponents caskets in his workshop. While that may have fell by the wayside when the Undertaker evolved into a more supernatural gimmick that doesn't change the fact that the Undertaker is the most successful "occupation" gimmick in wrestling history.
But also remember, Undertaker wasn't the first to be slotted in that kind of role. Vince first had Barry Windham portray The Widowmaker. rather undertaker version 1.
Not to say that you're wrong but the Widow maker gimmick looks more to be another heel cowboy as opposed to a wild west undertaker, in both terms of presentation and personality though while i can see how you may've drawn that conclusion quite frankly it doesn't seem plausible to me@@Briansgate
@@BriansgateYeah, that sounds better. Paul Bearer and the urn showed up very quickly and give him a supernatural air, but it took some time before he ditched the undertaker tie.
I loved the Million Dollar Mans original vignettes and they portrayed perfectly the spin that you have to give each archetype to stand out. For example Ric Flairs boasting about his wealth was often centred around him being the Champion and the greatest wrestler but Dibiases were more subtle and sinister, especially at the start. I'm paraphrasing but i loved the vignette when he spelt out his motivation 'What do i like? Of course i like the money but what i really like is what the money can make people do for me'. Genius.
My favorite vignette from the Million Dollar Man was when he had this little kid, maybe 9 or 10 years-old, on stage and tells the kid if could bounce a basketball 15 times, he'd give him $100. The kid starts bouncing the ball while the Million Dollar Man starts counting. When he gets up to fourteen, he kicks the ball away and tells the kid, "You don't do the job, you don't get paid!"
Some guys weren't pure comedy but could play a comedic villain well at times while being very serious other times. Kurt Angle, HBK (especially his first heel run), Owen Hart, Jericho and even Mr. Perfect to name a few.
7:31 Mohammad hassan could have been great. His promos were good, and the heat was so hot....but the timing of the train terrorist attacks on rhe same night as that angle with taker....it halted it right in its tracks
Could've been even better if they'd played him as a sympathetic babyface with legit concerns (like his initial few promos). Also, that undertaker angle was tasteless and probably would've killed things off regardless of the 7/7 bombings imo.
HBK, Bagwell, Big Poppa, Heel Lex, Rick Martell, Rick Rude, The Masterpiece and everyone doing the selfie (Prince Pretty, Theory, Logan Paul) all fall under the narcissistic heel gimmick
I think comedy wrestlers are some of the smartest guys in the business. Main eventing has a limited window, and mid carders can only go so far if they're losing. A good comedy guy can lose every week and still be the highlight of the show, and there's less worry about aging out of the job.
Another excellent video. I wasn’t looking at the screen when you were going through the Supernatural tier, and when I looked up and saw The Fiend I got choked up. Damn, he deserved so much better. RIP
You forgot the brawler archetype. The brawler is a no nonsense tough guy who lives a good fight and whenever I see a brawler in a wrestling ring, I know I am going to see a fight. The best brawlers In my opinion are Stan Hansen, Terry Funk, Tomohiro Ishii, Fit Finlay, The Road Warriors, Steve "Dr Death, Williams, Masato Tanaka and Aja Kong.
Omos may currently get by on size alone because that's what they make him do. But he's actually really funny and charismatic outside of the ring if you watch his social media. Hopefully WWE will let him show more of his personality when they're tired of just selling him as a giant and nothing else.
I think the ECW Zombie thing was a rib on Sci Fi Network because that show debuted on Sci Fi and I remember hearing they had some kinda rule where all shows had to have some "supernatural" element, so they just threw a zombie on there as a joke. They later also added that vampire guy
I know it's difficult to be all- inclusive in these videos but one of the "loose cannon/psychotic" archetypes was Mankind at his debut... he wore that mask, would scream while rocking in the corners, pulling out his hair. When he gave promos the way he talked was haunting. Middle school me was seriously freaked out.
The Heart Foundation of the 90s is a classic example of a patriot gimmick. In the states, the Harts being patriotic Canadians make them heels to the American fans, but step north of the 49th parallel, and their patriotic Canadians made them the home country heroes against the evil American foreigners arrogantly proclaiming Canada is the same as the States and Canadians have no identity of our own. Pretty much whenever you work nationality into a gimmick, it'll make them a near automatic babyface in their kayfabe homeland, and heels outside their homeland. After all, guy coming out waving Stars and Stripes and chanting "USA, USA, USA" on Canadian soil, will be received very differently from him doing that same on American soil, or coming out waving the red Maple Leaf and chanting "Go Canada Go!" or something. As a Canadian, I viewed Brett Hart and his stable mates as babyfaces during their patriot gimmick.
During the Iran hostage crisis in 1980, probably one of the first instances of using current events for a gimmick: There was Sergeant Slaughter against the Iron Sheik. Slaughter turned from a heel to a patriot baby face just so he could stand up for America against the evil villain from Iran. What I didn't know at the time was the two were actually good friends and that Slaughter helped the Sheik, already a gifted amateur wrestler, break into pro wrestling.
Well, I'd like to have a second part. Maybe you could make a lil series out of this. Having a trait, and going into some wrestlers, who did really good with the trait, but also some that did not that good with the trait. You have also accumulated so much knowledge about wrestling, that you could explain a bit, as to why certain wrestlers failed, while others succeded.
Other Archetypes: Missfits/pranksters - D-X Savages - Haku, Warrior (comes from parts unknown), Umaga, Shamrock (when he would snap) Psychopaths - Weyland Mercy, Big Boss Man ~2000 Mexican/Luchadores - the style is the gimmick Japanese - the style is the gimmick Aristocrats - William Regal, Hunter Hearst Helmsley pre D-X Movie/media characters ip-offs - Sting, Razor Ramone, Kiss Demon, Oz Dark/Broody character - Sting, Raven
They can make any gimmick But Owen never needed a gimmick . He had the body of Steve Austin and movement of Richocet. The man was best of the best. True king King of ❤s
Sid absolutely OWNED that unstable trait. Jon moxley used it as a crutch when he's just not very good. The British invasion comes to mind when you think anti american wrestlers. Great list and it opens up for discussions on who, given the chance, would've played these roles best.
Nice video and selection. In my opinion, maybe not as big as the foreign villain, we have the "ethnic" baby face: Rey Misterio, Pedro Morales, Bruno Sammartino, Tito Santana, Jimmy Snuka among others.
I see a lot of recycling of characters that didn't work out in the past in the recent NXT, it's really cool, it helped a lot of people with Brian Pillman's son for example
The Rock as a heel was a Money Man, too. Those expensive shirts and everything. People just forget about that because he turned babyface. I'm taking pre-Hollywood, c. 1998.
I feel like another wrestler who should be in the unstable category is either Mankind or Cactus Jack. 2 out of 3 of Foley’s gimmicks were his craziest for when he was giving beatings or taking them
On the evil authority gimmick. There’s so many names, but one that I think gets overlooked is Dario Cueto from Lucha underground! That villain, for the first three seasons of that show was magnificent. For me personally, he’s only second to Vince McMahon and the Mr. McMahon character.
face authority figures can work. teddy long was the greatest face authority figure w his signature move to make heels face sudden tag matches, or worse, going one on one, WITH THE UNDA TAKA
I was kind of surprised by the amount you gathered. I had never put much thought into the classification of gimmicks. I hope you do make another video on it. I am sure you could surprise me again.
His character isn't a drunk. You are mixing Jonathan Good's real-life problems with his gimmick. His alcohol issues were never part of any storylines, so show the man some respect and leave that out when discussing the Jon Moxley character.
Its so odd to see the different gimmicks some wrestlers go through, before finding the one that really sets them apart. JBL alone went through 4 gimmicks, the cowboy, the follower, the bodyguard, and lastly the rich man. Also, Mr. Ass really did have an awesome theme, I had The Music Volume 4 and I would listen to his and The Rock theme the most.
I was thinking you could do a whole video series with each video looking in depth at each of these gimmick archetypes. The history and evolution of a gimmick, important examples with successes and failures. How some gimmicks and archetypes reflect the real world, foreign heels tend to be more prominent during periods of wars and other military conflict for example. Why was Piper never really considered a foreign heel? He was a main event level heel for at least half of his career and billed from Glasgow but was always just more of a mouthy badass type. The answer of course is he avoided typical foreign heel traits we would associate with The Iron Sheik or Ivan Koloff. But what were those traits and did he did so deliberately? I think it could make for an interesting discussion. You could do a whole video looking at superhero gimmicks from the Blue Blazer to the Hurricane and isn't Sting's crow gimmick technically a superhero gimmick? RVD's singlets are famously based on pop comic art. And are there cross cultural influences between lucha and the famous masks and superhero masks? I don't know but I've always wondered about that. The more elaborate wrestling outfits in general are highly influenced by superhero costumes. Lots of interesting content to mine.
10:36 If Okada comes to WWE I want him to use the money man gimmick. I think that was what the Rainmaker was originally. WWE would be smart to play that up. Just like Alberto Delrio.
One of wrestling’s favorite archetype is when they lump them all into a stable. When they have big plans for one or many individuals that constitute long term storytelling, get them into a stable. When there’s too many guys in the roster and too little time to book them separately, get them into a stable. When a guy has a hard time getting over on his own, get him into a stable. There’s the androgynous gimmicks as well: Goldust, The Velveteen Dream, Orlando Jordan, Sonny Kiss, Adrian Adonis, Dalton Castle.
One comedy wrestler that I loved watching, but is really out of leftfield for this video, was Les Kellett. He was a WOS legend and his comedy timing and bodily movements were often beyond what professional comics can do. Long Live Les!
R-Truth has been going gangbusters since his return. The whole Judgement Day thing has been one of the most entertaining things every week. The fact that he's currently the best merch seller in WWE shows just how much comedy wrestlers can be the most beloved stars on the card.
Hey Wrestling Bios great video as always, If I may ask do you write and record the script first when you make a video or do you edit together the clips you feel are relevant then speak over them?
R-Truth isn’t just a brilliant comedian (all the stuff he’s been doing lately has been solid gold, never thought I’d see a hot tag in a Rumble match), he’s still a great worker and the man hasn’t aged a day in 20 years. Seriously, I can’t wrap my head around Truth being 52 years old.
I was about to say martial art gimmicks. They've never done super well (in the west) but I've always liked them. Great Muta, Hakushi/Shinzaki, RVD (probably the most over), Jimmy Snuka (probably the other), Tajiri, Steve Blackman, Glacier, Ricky Steamboat etc.
I love gimmicks when they're based on other media like how Crow Sting was based off The Crow, Razor Ramon based off Scarface, Kane based off slasher movie villians, etc.
Razor was more inspired by. Sting was a straight rip off.
Glacier by subzero.
So you’re a child
What was the Christmas Creature based off?
In Japan they have actual movie villains as wrestlers: Leatherface, Freddy, Jason etc
Great video, as always.
One of my favourite archetypes has always been the cult leader gimmick: Bray Wyatt, Raven, Waylon Mercy, Ministry-era Taker, Kevin Sullivan before he was too legit to quit. Always found it really engaging stuff.
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CM Punk as well
I don’t really recall Waylon being a cult leader though lol was he?
The character was partially based on Jim Jones, so... He wasn't there long enough to get a cult but I reckon it would have been on the cards.@@Terryfrost219
Absolutely. Though, he was part of Raven's 'Gathering' in 2003 TNA, so it all comes full-circle.
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Seeing the Mountie in the end made me think of Law Enforcement and Military gimmicks.
Mountie, Big Boss Man, Captain Shawn Dean, "Rambo" Greg Gagne, The Truth Commission (adjacent to military), Lacey Evans, The MIA, Sgt. Slaughter, Sgt. Craig Pittman
And The SHEILD. They were like S.W.A.T. / Black Ops guys you know were skimming a few bricks on every drug bust.
What you think about AoP they seem to have a militia/mercenaries type gimmick IMO
@@aubreyyoung4610im pretty sure they were supposed to be a private militia but yeah
And Corporal Kirchner
Major Gunns
I think the only one who pulled of a babyface authority figure was Teddy Long
The crowd is always gonna love you when you make guys go one on one with the Undertaker playa!!! 😎
@@CharlieMyrkr or he makes it a tag team match playa
No one else is like Teddy he was great
Lol, not sure if it's in the vid, but Teddy was a referee in WCW before he was chosen to become a Mgr, and his first tag team to manage, was Harlem Heat (Booker T & bro Stevie Ray)!
Can You Dig It, Playa?
Adam Pearce does a good job on Raw. He doesn’t really have a gimmick. He’s just an Everyman trying to do his job effectively and not get threatened by his muscled up coworkers.
The antihero gimmick is one that people enjoy no matter the era, as long as it's done in a way that isn't corny. Stone Cold stands head and shoulders above them all because he is much like the character he portrayed.
In all forms of media the anti hero works
@@pleaseshutup7053Kanye West, Eminem and Howard Stern proves that.
@@17thN.O lol stern was a flat out villian along with Simon cowell
@@17thN.O Trump is an antihero while Eminem and Stern are woke elitist sellouts.
@17thNO Kanye west? The guy who announced he loved Hitler? The guy who made Jewish executives kiss pictures of Hitler before business deals? Hes an anti hero? You're an American, right?
"The scrappy underdog": Mick Foley, Chris B****t, Bryan Danielson, Sami Zayn, Pete Dunne, Ilja Dragunov
Benoit
so excited for dragunovs future. gunther v dragunov 2 is my favorite match of all time
Krispen Wah?
Idk if Dragunov can be described as the scrappy underdog I mean maybe in his feud with Walter but *right now* even against guys who are much bigger than he is Bron Corbin Dijak, he never feels like the underdog he is so intense and brutal
*B-E-N-O-I-T
Honestly rappers seem to do the best out of all the music men. Acclaimed and early John Cena come to mind. Even TNA era Ron Killings was a world champion with a rapping gimmick
It's a lot easier to rap than sing. Less repetition of words, and you don't need to carry a tune.
@@Rocket1377why would less repetition be easier?
With rapping it gives the opportunity to do disses with it which when done right usually go over pretty good with the crowd
I honestly loved Angle’s comedy as well, nobody could roast themselves like Kurt
He's a man and we are boys. And theres nothing he likes better than playing with boys. LOL. Kurt Angle was gold.
Except maybe R Truth. Oh it's True, it's the damn Truth, the whole damn truth, and nothing but the damn Truth.
He's the tito ortiz of wrestling
I would argue you can make the authority figure work as a baby face, but you can't have them be the star of the show in the same way as a heel authority figure can be. If you see Bob Armstrong in Smokey Mountain Wrestling, the face authority figure works more as a way of giving the fans some justice for the actions of the heels (fines, booking rematches etc.), and as a tool for keeping storylines going rather than having constant backstage attacks or run ins. The problem is when you try and have the face authority figure be someone with a huge profile like Hulk Hogan in TNA or Shawn Michaels in WWE (although both were constantly turning) as you can't have them be that side figure like Bob Armstrong or Jack Tunney who is only there occasionally to keep things moving.
You made the point I wanted to make. The face authority figure works best as a side character. They also can act as the glue to make the overall environment work. The competing GMs for Raw and Smackdown Adam Pierce and Nick Aldis are perfect examples. Why should I care which show Jade Cargill goes to? Well, if Raw and Smackdown are market competitors, then it gives me some reason to care.
14:23 - the zombie gimmick is going too far, it's ridiculous.
Working as a creative with a lower-end indy promotion, I'd hope for more of these videos. I like the idea of trying to figure out a gimmick, as Ray Candy said to New Jack: "you've never seen before." See all the archetypes and try to figure out some sort of gimmick that doesn't fit ANY archetype.... and if it's even possible....
and if you are fitting an archetype, figure out how to make it your own thing and silence the "he's a copycat" critics.
As somebody who comes from an academic background in literature and theater, part of why I’ve gravitated towards professional wrestling so much is because I see so many similarities between it and classic archetypal theater throughout history.
Like wrestling, staged art such as the Commedia dell’arte, Peking Opera, Noh Theater, and dozens of others were able to tell simplistic, but thrilling stories by utilizing handfuls of widely circulated caricatures and routines.
All of this is to say that not only do I think that archetypes in wrestling are great, I think they’re part of professional wrestling’s fundamental makeup.
I think one we see a lot is the Street Fighter. Not fireball throwing martial-arts warriors, but the guy who touts they were born and raised on the "mean streets" and brings that knowledge to the ring, like the Street Profits, Cryme Tyme, the Nasty Boys, etc.
New Jack
I always just classified it as Blue Collar, but Street Fighter probably fits better, since it doesn't imply a job itself being the gimmick (and Day Job gimmicks probably qualify as their own archetype anyway). But yeah, Eddie Kingston is probably the GOAT of this archetype. Not enough ugly (extremely relatively speaking in Eddie's case, man has the most perfect eyebrows in the business, lmao), tough old cusses who just beat the hell outta people. Mox mixes it in nicely with his loose cannon character as well. Sheamus in The Bar and especially as an old-timey hooligan also nicely embodies the trope. Finlay's definitely on the Blue Collar/Street Fighter Mount Rushmore alongside Eddie too.
But it doesn't just have to be ugly tough fat guy energy. As you noted, Cryme Tyme & Street Profits fit the archetype nicely, and they're both *very* different portrayals from each other and the most common Nasty Boy types. Cryme Tyme had those brutishly violent vignettes heralding their debut, but once they actually showed up they got by almost entirely on comedic charm, street smarts, & hustling marks. And the Street Profits have the most amazing chaotic, crazy athletic streetball energy about them.
So I think the archetype definitely works well with the way video was structured! There's certain common aesthetics & some fairly iconic portrayals, while leaving enough space for a lot of different stylistic approaches to find success under the same banner.
@@kami_in_the_skye R-Truth embodied this at different times, too.
Maybe split the difference and call this type of character "Streetwise."
Ricky Steamboat
Eddie Kingston
Sid Pillman / Brian Vicious is one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. Bravo!
It doesn't help they both have the "Ramen-Noodle Mullet" going on😂😂
@@joe9739now I figured out why I always felt hungry after watching a Sid match
@@joe9739and Lexis King is continuing the tradition. Wrestling indeed has more than one royal family.
@@jaybee5315 McMahon-Hart-Von Erich-Guerrero- and those damn Samoans (idk how to spell the last name)
Sid was doing the insane megalomaniac since 93 in WCW with Vader. Pillman ripped him off if anything.
The Soldier: Sgt. Slaughter, Corporal Kirchner, GI Bro
The Multi-Sport Guy: Sparky Plugg Bob Holly, The Goon, Abe Knuckleball Schwartz
The Strong Man: Ken Patera, Dino Bravo, Mark Henry
The Cowboy: Smokin Gunns, Cowboy Bob Orton, Justin Hawk Bradshaw
Were there other Ass Men apart from The Booty Man and Billy Gunn?
Could you consider Rikishi an Ass Man?
Rikishi, of course.
The Lackey: Virgil, Brisco & Patterson, Tajiri, Mizdow, The Disciple
@@alexklimkewicz7191Tajiri for a while had lackeys of his own namely Akio (repackaged later as Jimmy Wang Yang) and the late Sakoda.
Don't forget pro golfer Barry Darsow in WCW.
Let's not forget the time-honored ethnic gimmick.
Polish Power!
Even Hulk Hogan was originally "the Irish hero" (before he became the "Real American" which was originally the US Express of IRS and The Widowmaker)
Bruno Samartino
Mark Henry the "Sexual Chocolate" gimmick, The Godfather and Viscera the "Extra Large Love Machine" ladies man gimmicks
And Val venis
Pls do so much more of these. I love this kinda thing so much.
The comedy gimmicks on their own warrant a deep dive
Early Eric Young and Black Machismo Jay Lethal are the first that come to my mind but going back there's everyone from Les Kellett to R Truth....
This is like a blueprint to gimmick assignment in the PC Fantasy Booking game, Total Extreme Wrestling 😆
Really fun video. Rikishi and Too Cool for dancers would have been perfect, too.
Never forget that Mick Foley's road to the championship started by being a comedy wrestler who was the only babyface who seemed to love Mr. Mcmahon and couldn't see just how much the chairman hated him....
the all american babyface(hogan, cena, cody rhodes) daredevils(jeff hardy, rvd, darby allen) the faction enforcer( solo sikoa, batista, big bossman, jake hagger) cocky trash talkers( the rock, the miz, mjf)
Is LA Knight also a cocky trashtalker? I think he fits that rly well
Toni Storm is another great example of a comedic persona from a talented wrestler.
Greasy sweathogs. Sweaty greasehogs works too!😂
Sounds like a Rick Rude insult, if you ask me... LOL
As long as its not Hoggy Sweatgrease i’m good with it 😅
2:16 - King Harley Race was huge in the 80s and the one I think of most often (surprisingly not Lawler) from my childhood
Ironically, when WWF booked “King” Harley Race in Memphis they got sued by Lawler because nobody can be booked as “king” in Memphis. and Jerry Lawler won
Opposite of the rich heel, there is the poor/came-from-nuthin babyface. Dusty Rhodes, JYD, Hillbilly Jim, Jim Duggan, and even Stone Cold.
Can we just take a minute to remember that the Undertaker started out as an "occupation" gimmick and was portrayed more as a wild west undertaker, so much so that the Undertaker used to do promos while hand crafting his opponents caskets in his workshop. While that may have fell by the wayside when the Undertaker evolved into a more supernatural gimmick that doesn't change the fact that the Undertaker is the most successful "occupation" gimmick in wrestling history.
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But also remember, Undertaker wasn't the first to be slotted in that kind of role. Vince first had Barry Windham portray The Widowmaker. rather undertaker version 1.
Not to say that you're wrong but the Widow maker gimmick looks more to be another heel cowboy as opposed to a wild west undertaker, in both terms of presentation and personality though while i can see how you may've drawn that conclusion quite frankly it doesn't seem plausible to me@@Briansgate
@@mattjones5531 I get what you're saying. I see it as more of an evolution rather than a direct comparison. "Let's tweak it" as they say.
@@BriansgateYeah, that sounds better. Paul Bearer and the urn showed up very quickly and give him a supernatural air, but it took some time before he ditched the undertaker tie.
I loved the Million Dollar Mans original vignettes and they portrayed perfectly the spin that you have to give each archetype to stand out.
For example Ric Flairs boasting about his wealth was often centred around him being the Champion and the greatest wrestler but Dibiases were more subtle and sinister, especially at the start. I'm paraphrasing but i loved the vignette when he spelt out his motivation
'What do i like? Of course i like the money but what i really like is what the money can make people do for me'. Genius.
My favorite vignette from the Million Dollar Man was when he had this little kid, maybe 9 or 10 years-old, on stage and tells the kid if could bounce a basketball 15 times, he'd give him $100. The kid starts bouncing the ball while the Million Dollar Man starts counting. When he gets up to fourteen, he kicks the ball away and tells the kid, "You don't do the job, you don't get paid!"
Some guys weren't pure comedy but could play a comedic villain well at times while being very serious other times. Kurt Angle, HBK (especially his first heel run), Owen Hart, Jericho and even Mr. Perfect to name a few.
Great video! You make some of the low key best wrestling content on UA-cam
Alex Wright was dope
7:31 Mohammad hassan could have been great. His promos were good, and the heat was so hot....but the timing of the train terrorist attacks on rhe same night as that angle with taker....it halted it right in its tracks
Could've been even better if they'd played him as a sympathetic babyface with legit concerns (like his initial few promos). Also, that undertaker angle was tasteless and probably would've killed things off regardless of the 7/7 bombings imo.
@jimbo_1312 it was awkward. I loved his promos though. In ring was ok, I'd seen worse...but creative got out of hand real fast
Shawn Michaels and Buff Bagwell was the same gimmick too. I’m sure there were others
What lol
HBK, Bagwell, Big Poppa, Heel Lex, Rick Martell, Rick Rude, The Masterpiece and everyone doing the selfie (Prince Pretty, Theory, Logan Paul) all fall under the narcissistic heel gimmick
Mr. Ass and Val Venis.
Wasn’t Buff basically Scott Steiner?
I think comedy wrestlers are some of the smartest guys in the business. Main eventing has a limited window, and mid carders can only go so far if they're losing. A good comedy guy can lose every week and still be the highlight of the show, and there's less worry about aging out of the job.
This is slowly becoming my fav channel period
Another excellent video. I wasn’t looking at the screen when you were going through the Supernatural tier, and when I looked up and saw The Fiend I got choked up. Damn, he deserved so much better. RIP
You forgot the brawler archetype. The brawler is a no nonsense tough guy who lives a good fight and whenever I see a brawler in a wrestling ring, I know I am going to see a fight.
The best brawlers In my opinion are Stan Hansen, Terry Funk, Tomohiro Ishii, Fit Finlay, The Road Warriors, Steve "Dr Death, Williams, Masato Tanaka and Aja Kong.
Dean Ambrose
Stone Cold
Do not forget the Briscoes.
I thought Piper did a good job of operating outside the heel GM trope, but maybe that’s just cause of how unhinged he was 😂
Has there ever been a fisherman gimmick?? I know The Shark (John Tenta) and Shark Boy but they were supposed to be actual fish lmao 😹
Curt Hennig. i mean his finisher is a fisherman suplex 😁
Tugboat. Typhoon.
can I get a hell yeah from all my Tuggamaniacs
Maybe I missed it, but how was Mankind left off the unhinged list of wrestlers?
& John Cena left off the musician one?
Omos may currently get by on size alone because that's what they make him do. But he's actually really funny and charismatic outside of the ring if you watch his social media. Hopefully WWE will let him show more of his personality when they're tired of just selling him as a giant and nothing else.
OMG this should be used as introduction for the chapter on “how to create you wrestler gimmick” in any kind of wrestling role game!
I think the ECW Zombie thing was a rib on Sci Fi Network because that show debuted on Sci Fi and I remember hearing they had some kinda rule where all shows had to have some "supernatural" element, so they just threw a zombie on there as a joke. They later also added that vampire guy
Great content, keep it up! Can't wait for part 2
I know it's difficult to be all- inclusive in these videos but one of the "loose cannon/psychotic" archetypes was Mankind at his debut... he wore that mask, would scream while rocking in the corners, pulling out his hair. When he gave promos the way he talked was haunting. Middle school me was seriously freaked out.
Carl Jung could write a book on wrestling gimmicks 😄
One archetype you forgot is the Patriot gimmick, although in some ways it could overlap with the "foreign heel" stuff depending on the country
Yeah I agree. A lot of wrestlers had that American hero or patriot gimmick everyone from Hulk Hogan, Hacksaw Jim Duggan and even Lex Luger
@@christophernicholson20Del Wilkes also literally played The Patriot
The Heart Foundation of the 90s is a classic example of a patriot gimmick. In the states, the Harts being patriotic Canadians make them heels to the American fans, but step north of the 49th parallel, and their patriotic Canadians made them the home country heroes against the evil American foreigners arrogantly proclaiming Canada is the same as the States and Canadians have no identity of our own. Pretty much whenever you work nationality into a gimmick, it'll make them a near automatic babyface in their kayfabe homeland, and heels outside their homeland.
After all, guy coming out waving Stars and Stripes and chanting "USA, USA, USA" on Canadian soil, will be received very differently from him doing that same on American soil, or coming out waving the red Maple Leaf and chanting "Go Canada Go!" or something. As a Canadian, I viewed Brett Hart and his stable mates as babyfaces during their patriot gimmick.
Not sure if you remember, but Hacksaw Jim Duggan actually tried doing the USA USA chant at WM 6 in Toronto... against Canadian (Quebecois) Dino Bravo.
During the Iran hostage crisis in 1980, probably one of the first instances of using current events for a gimmick: There was Sergeant Slaughter against the Iron Sheik. Slaughter turned from a heel to a patriot baby face just so he could stand up for America against the evil villain from Iran. What I didn't know at the time was the two were actually good friends and that Slaughter helped the Sheik, already a gifted amateur wrestler, break into pro wrestling.
Well, I'd like to have a second part.
Maybe you could make a lil series out of this. Having a trait, and going into some wrestlers, who did really good with the trait, but also some that did not that good with the trait. You have also accumulated so much knowledge about wrestling, that you could explain a bit, as to why certain wrestlers failed, while others succeded.
I find your lack of Wiggle disturbing.
The thing is that even CM Punks promos or pipe bombs were scripted even Ryback says that his promos were scripted
Other Archetypes:
Missfits/pranksters - D-X
Savages - Haku, Warrior (comes from parts unknown), Umaga, Shamrock (when he would snap)
Psychopaths - Weyland Mercy, Big Boss Man ~2000
Mexican/Luchadores - the style is the gimmick
Japanese - the style is the gimmick
Aristocrats - William Regal, Hunter Hearst Helmsley pre D-X
Movie/media characters
ip-offs - Sting, Razor Ramone, Kiss Demon, Oz
Dark/Broody character - Sting, Raven
Sycho Sid
I always thought Rick Rude looked a bit like Don Frye 😹
They can make any gimmick
But Owen never needed a gimmick . He had the body of Steve Austin and movement of Richocet.
The man was best of the best.
True king
King of ❤s
GREAT video!! Love the structure & outline!!
Sid absolutely OWNED that unstable trait. Jon moxley used it as a crutch when he's just not very good. The British invasion comes to mind when you think anti american wrestlers. Great list and it opens up for discussions on who, given the chance, would've played these roles best.
Nice video and selection. In my opinion, maybe not as big as the foreign villain, we have the "ethnic" baby face: Rey Misterio, Pedro Morales, Bruno Sammartino, Tito Santana, Jimmy Snuka among others.
The Hurricane was such a wonderfully silly heel.
That Royal Rumble spot with Triple H and Stone Cold Steve Austin.
Just brilliantly executed!
Ohhh man, loved this video! Hope there’s a series, could have watched a vid on this subject for hours!
I see a lot of recycling of characters that didn't work out in the past in the recent NXT, it's really cool, it helped a lot of people with Brian Pillman's son for example
there is a section of a wrestling gimmick known as the showman, think guys Nic Nemith and Mr.Perfect
The Rock as a heel was a Money Man, too. Those expensive shirts and everything. People just forget about that because he turned babyface. I'm taking pre-Hollywood, c. 1998.
I feel like another wrestler who should be in the unstable category is either Mankind or Cactus Jack. 2 out of 3 of Foley’s gimmicks were his craziest for when he was giving beatings or taking them
The Superstar gimmick.
Billy Graham
LA Knight
The Natural Butch Reed
Man, this thumbnail makes me think Sid Vicious and Pillman would have done great as a duo.
I'm ALWAYS HAPPY when there's a new wrestling bios video! I'm also NEVER disappointed. Great stuff as always.
More of these videos would be awesome. I feel like there’s enough depth here to make it into a series or a mini series
On the evil authority gimmick. There’s so many names, but one that I think gets overlooked is Dario Cueto from Lucha underground! That villain, for the first three seasons of that show was magnificent. For me personally, he’s only second to Vince McMahon and the Mr. McMahon character.
Credit where credit is due! Lucha Underground was a great cinematic wrestling show and Dario Cueto was a great part of that.
face authority figures can work. teddy long was the greatest face authority figure w his signature move to make heels face sudden tag matches, or worse, going one on one, WITH THE UNDA TAKA
726 different types for male gimmicks, 1 for women: “You’ll play a hot heartbreaker.” Alright, Vince.
Great video! Love your content.
I was kind of surprised by the amount you gathered. I had never put much thought into the classification of gimmicks. I hope you do make another video on it. I am sure you could surprise me again.
Yeah we´re gonna need a part 2
Loved this video! Could do a second one, especially with Tag Teams.
Lifetime Babyfaces. Sting, Steamboat, etc.
I think we all know the one true true King in wrestling is
Jimmy King from WCW
And he will Rule You !
Excellent themed video. Keep it up!
as amazing as this video is-- It was the creative remix of Ass Man theme for me! Excellent job, Well Done!
I thought Moxley was just a drunk plumber...
He must have the same gimmick as TL Hopper than....
His character isn't a drunk. You are mixing Jonathan Good's real-life problems with his gimmick. His alcohol issues were never part of any storylines, so show the man some respect and leave that out when discussing the Jon Moxley character.
Its so odd to see the different gimmicks some wrestlers go through, before finding the one that really sets them apart. JBL alone went through 4 gimmicks, the cowboy, the follower, the bodyguard, and lastly the rich man.
Also, Mr. Ass really did have an awesome theme, I had The Music Volume 4 and I would listen to his and The Rock theme the most.
Probably my favorite video you’ve made. Loved it. I would have to be the rebel type. 👍🏻👍🏻
Surprised the cowboy gimmick didn’t make the list
I was thinking you could do a whole video series with each video looking in depth at each of these gimmick archetypes. The history and evolution of a gimmick, important examples with successes and failures. How some gimmicks and archetypes reflect the real world, foreign heels tend to be more prominent during periods of wars and other military conflict for example.
Why was Piper never really considered a foreign heel? He was a main event level heel for at least half of his career and billed from Glasgow but was always just more of a mouthy badass type. The answer of course is he avoided typical foreign heel traits we would associate with The Iron Sheik or Ivan Koloff. But what were those traits and did he did so deliberately? I think it could make for an interesting discussion.
You could do a whole video looking at superhero gimmicks from the Blue Blazer to the Hurricane and isn't Sting's crow gimmick technically a superhero gimmick? RVD's singlets are famously based on pop comic art. And are there cross cultural influences between lucha and the famous masks and superhero masks? I don't know but I've always wondered about that. The more elaborate wrestling outfits in general are highly influenced by superhero costumes. Lots of interesting content to mine.
I would almost say "Cowboy" falls under 'occupational gimmick' but there were so many, I feel Cowboy deserves its own category.
Surprised McMahon never came up with a wrestler called The Gynecologist.
😂😂😂
Damn!
10:36 If Okada comes to WWE I want him to use the money man gimmick.
I think that was what the Rainmaker was originally. WWE would be smart to play that up. Just like Alberto Delrio.
He's not going to WWE. Okada is AEW bound, I guarantee it.
One of wrestling’s favorite archetype is when they lump them all into a stable. When they have big plans for one or many individuals that constitute long term storytelling, get them into a stable. When there’s too many guys in the roster and too little time to book them separately, get them into a stable. When a guy has a hard time getting over on his own, get him into a stable.
There’s the androgynous gimmicks as well: Goldust, The Velveteen Dream, Orlando Jordan, Sonny Kiss, Adrian Adonis, Dalton Castle.
The all American gimmick: Hogan, Angle, Luger, The Patriot, Jack Swagger, Jim Duggan
When are you uploading wcw nitro 24th May 1999?
One comedy wrestler that I loved watching, but is really out of leftfield for this video, was Les Kellett. He was a WOS legend and his comedy timing and bodily movements were often beyond what professional comics can do. Long Live Les!
Amazing video
Hell yeah do another of these videos. Maybe do an in-depth look at each type and all the different wrestlers to portray them? Just a thought for ya
Evil Foreigners, but no mention of Ludvig Borga! 😮
Regal to an extent too.
Shinsuke Nakamura, right after his WM bout against AJ Styles
Strong Style applied to yo crotch!
Never forget Damien Sandow. The man was unbelievably underrated, possibly the most of all time. I see Sandow, I leave a like.
don't forget about your 'wrestling enigmas' jeff hardy, Sting, Goldust, the great muta
R-Truth has been going gangbusters since his return. The whole Judgement Day thing has been one of the most entertaining things every week. The fact that he's currently the best merch seller in WWE shows just how much comedy wrestlers can be the most beloved stars on the card.
Hey Wrestling Bios great video as always, If I may ask do you write and record the script first when you make a video or do you edit together the clips you feel are relevant then speak over them?
Thid a great addition to the channel very interesting
R-Truth isn’t just a brilliant comedian (all the stuff he’s been doing lately has been solid gold, never thought I’d see a hot tag in a Rumble match), he’s still a great worker and the man hasn’t aged a day in 20 years. Seriously, I can’t wrap my head around Truth being 52 years old.
I was about to say martial art gimmicks. They've never done super well (in the west) but I've always liked them. Great Muta, Hakushi/Shinzaki, RVD (probably the most over), Jimmy Snuka (probably the other), Tajiri, Steve Blackman, Glacier, Ricky Steamboat etc.