How To Dial In A Metal Guitar Tone From Scratch: Recording Heavy guitars
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2020
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So many of us don’t even know where to start when it comes into dialing in a solid, mix-ready metal guitar tone.
As a guitar player myself, this used to frustrate me more than anything.
No matter what amp head I used..
Or guitar cab..
Mic placement..
Amp sim..
There was always either something missing from my tone or just too much of something else.
When this would happen, like many others, I’d go bonkers EQing my guitars in the mix and my guitar tone always ended up sounding worse in the end.
SO ANNOYING.
I never had a clear idea on where I should be focusing my attention when it came to achieving the guitar tone I wanted for my production.
I really wanted those crystal clear guitar tones I heard on my favorite records.
Luckily, after many years of making life harder than it needed to be, I finally figured out how to dial in the tones I heard in my head…
It turned out to be so simple that it was hiding in plain sight.
Click here to watch me dial in a solid metal guitar tone from scratch.
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Hey Bobby. Quick question. It's probably not possible, but I use cubasis3, and THU overloud amp sim. Is there a way to load a custom impulse response in that software? I'm new at this and apologize for the noob question. Thanks. Love the vids
Cubasis3 on iOS
Basically %70 of my production education comes from this channel. Thank you forever
Is 70% accurate? You may be selling yourself short, or worse...you may be selling Bobby short my guy! Hire me to be your personal mathematician, ill make your percent averages 90% more accurate, 70% of the time! Guaranteed 100% or 45% of your money back! (I'm addicted to drugs, so don't think that half what you hit my hand with ain't already spent before it hits my hand, so what who cares, Yelp me if you got a problem with it I don't care im high)
Not all heroes wear capes ^
Love your custom IR, been using it for a while now. The IR definitely makes or breaks the guitar tone. Thanks for providing yours for free!
Stoked to hear that!
TSE sounds very nice ! Very nice tips !! Awesome video.
Thanks, Helped a lot ! Love your approach!
Totally agree with you mate. No matter what the source is get it right there before going to mixing! Cheers.
No amps sims for me. I love the fun of messing around with my gear 🤓 Im satisfied with my amateur home recordings now days...thanks to youtube channels like yours...It sounds like what's coming out of the amp. I cant wait to get a bigger place and start recording live drums 😁
That Ez drummer sounds so good wow
Thanks for the awesome video btw ❤
I only recently got into using IRs and I couldn't believe how much of a difference it made. My tones in the past have always been kinda half arse but now they sound like a proper production!
Yup, a great IR (or mic placement and proper cab) is everything.
@@FrightboxRecording hey Bobby quick question where are sitting the input of your guitar ? I mean where thend to peak your DI tracks?
Man!!! That bass tone in the intro gets me every time!
Just a 1998 Ibanez Sound Gear with fresh strings plugged straight into my two-channel interface. A great bass tone is 75% fresh strings and tight playing in my opinion.
MIDI sounding :\
Killer information here for a newbie producer like me. Thanks a lot for sharing this.
As a guitar composer/performer for book trailers about comics seeking inspiration, your modeling and explanations is great since it's practical and note specific settings. Thanks!
Holy f, copied all your settings straight of, on an old mix of mine. It cleared right up, the sound was super tight.
Ive been using a plethora of sims and countless hours wasted on not beeing hoppa with my sound.
Got the best gtr sounds ive ever had in less than 5 minutes.
Thank you for making my life so much easier!
Time to play 😁
Hell yeah!
Great impulse response!
Seeing "the process" is always interesting. 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks as always sensei!
Currently using bias amp 2 along with the bogren signature IR pack. I know you've mentioned it in other vids but I've come to realize how important the actual performance is to the final tone too.
You sold me on the Tube Screamer. That's one major thing I have lacked and will make a tremendous difference for me. Thanks!
Killer IR! Very nice!
Great stuffed!
Great channel lots of good info thanks :) One thing though, the free IR seems to be very low volume in anything but TSE.. no idea why?
Amazing !!!
Amazing and engaging stuff, thank you. Do you cover how to get good drum tones as well? (Midi )
Also, that song is dope!
I actually just bought an amp sim that used one IR... the IR is a dude whose tone is usually great (someone I respect a lot), and people liked the IR with the sim, but I didn't. I tweaked and tweaked and just wasn't satisfied. I then used a different IR and BAM: *magic* It didn't sound like I wanted it to sound until I fixed the IR.
It makes such a huge difference.
First off let me say that your IR is awesome. I use it a lot. Well done.
Secondly your vids are awesome and full of great information.
I have a question for you.
So many videos talk about the low end of the guitar fighting the bass and kick drum in a mix so a lot of guys eq it down some. I am curious your thoughts on a band like Testament and how they mix their guitars that have a bunch of low end for in your face guitar tone? Especially on Brotherhood of the Snake album?
Just wondering your thoughts.
I follow a simple rule of thumb...the tighter the guitar player, the more low-end I can leave in. I usually roll my guitars off at around 70Hz if the guitar playing is tight.
Have you used Guitar rig 5? I dialed in a tone that is pretty good based on your settings but I can't load an amp sim with GR5. Just wondering if you have used that plugin and what were your results if so? Thank you so much for the videos!
Guitar tone is a constant struggle for me. I've collected a ton of free amps and IRs over the years and I could spend hours finding the best combination each time. Most of the time I end up using the amp with the interface I like most and some IR that at least doesn't completely suck... 🤷♂️
Worked for me in the mix a couple of times and in the end I was happy because as you and Jordan V. pointed out it's good as long as it works in the mix. Except for that one of my songs where the guitar plays the intro alone and I couldn't nail the tone. 😭
BTW I haven't tried your IR yet but I definitely will.
@@undeadonsteroids.official Give it a shot, I think you'll dig it. A great tone at the source needs very little (if any) tweaking in the mix.
im using the will putney plug in. how would you rate there impulse resp. and does what you said about the software people making I.R,s go with that plu in as well . if im making sence??
I’m recording real amps and I’m getting very happy with the tone now that I’ve acquired a direct box. It was hard to pan left and right tracks when I was trying to align two guitars by ear. Now that I can see what I’m trying to do it’s helping instead of hurting! Lol. Guitar player is running an old 80’s Mesa boogie half stack and a kustom bass amp split with an aby pedal and tuned to g. We put close mics on both while facing away from each other about 20degrees or so and a room mic across the way bout ten twelve feet. Eq omg takes a little longer but it’s great having a fader for low end and one for high end Also panning close mics while leaving the room mics in the middle seems to work pretty well to glue shit together as that channel is usually bout half as loud as the close mics. Been doing lots of experimentation with that and will also start getting even more weird once the reamp pedal arrives! Do you have any wisdom to share pertaining to guitars through multiple amps or thru bass amps. I’m happy with what I get mostly but a little creative spark goes a long way so I’d love to hear your experience. Thanks for all you do Brutus man. Keep it up!
I rarely combine amps. I usually find a tone I like and stick with it for the main guitar sound. That being said, if you like the results you're getting...stick with it!
I agree with the point of keeping things simple. The two amps thing was something my guitar player had been doing since before I joined and I find it helps fill the low end as we are a two person band. Just drums guitar and vocals. When playing solos or leads there’s a ditto loop pedal playing the rhythm thru the bass cab while the guitar diverges onto whatever the part is over the rhythm. Thanks for all the tips and great content.
simply rockin!!!!!
What about adding some room reverb on top of it? For me the guitars sound a bit “empty” especially through the headphones (90% of listeners nowadays). And what about getting good sustain on the amp sim?
Really dig into your IR though. I built custom guitar plugins chain. I use Magic Samplitude (only for PC and it’s support 32 bit plugins) and of my guitar I use: TSE 808 tube screamer, Poullin LeCto (as far, as I remember, it’s for PC only) it’s a copy of Mesa head, OurCabinetSimulator which mix Mesa and Soldano cabs IRs and I really love the sound, but unfortunately, it’s only 32 bit plugin), and noise gate. I use your IR, Bobby, mostly for GTR tone like Whitechapel and I’m in LOVE with it for that brutal meat tone
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I use ampsims but track with hardware preamp with 0 latency (Direct Monitoring). Thе most convenient setup for me
I had been trying to get a good tone with Kazrog's stuff for a good while, but was never satisfied with the results (this is my fault I'm sure, not theirs, due to a variety of factors.) I gave up on trying to dial it in myself and got a wicked deal on EZMix 2 a couple years ago. Stuck with that since.
However, I saw this video today and forgot how good a custom dialed-in tone could sound. I remembered TSE from a few years ago and picked it up on sale today for 50% off! Now, with this info from your video, I feel ready to try to dial in the tone again. Thank you!
The TSE is so good...it blows away most of the fancy pants overpriced guitar sims in my opinion.
For me , any amp sim is okay but not the Impulse Response
I used IR from here and thats fixed everything , before I found STL amp sim . Then mix IR from here and STL amp sim and the result is mind blowing. But I got much "unique" tone from it , not too bad but "unique"
but still , source is important
Ive worked a bit with amp sims, i dont dislike them, but until something dethrones the ease of having a hi gain tube amp with an xlr DI out built in (bless you hughes & kettner) that is mostly production ready aside from some EQ in post, i really have no reason to switch from my amp to an amp sim.
Can u do any update? So many free high gain amp plugins are out now from free to 100+ bucks . Ty ty
Man, any videos of recording guitars from the ground up, like you're doing this? Anyone, please let me know, and thanks for all the help man!
There's a dude who put out a batch of Metallica IRs that match the sound of each album. Amazing stuff.
Use bias amp 2 and fx with the frightbox IR almost all the time now!. Nice consistent balance across the spectrum. Would you ever make other IR's or do you think that's all you really need for this genre?
Got some cool stuff in the works!
I talked about you in my video on my channel! Used your fright box cab and told little too come subscribe and grab that cab sim from you
I use ez mix for tones, there are some sick tones made from guitar players, only problem some of them kill the cpu 😒
@Sergio I have an 8 year old alienware m14x 😂
I was using your impuls in STL Tones amp sim.And there was no any change in the sound.STL doesn't allowe to other impulses to take effect in my opinion.I did the same with ML Soud Lab impulses and effect was similar.Am i going deff?But in free Stivie T your impuls sounds fantastic.
Are you sure it was definitely loaded? Usually swapping IRs changes any tone drastically.
Keepin it real
So the link to download the ir doesnt work. just sends me to a video after i input my email and nothing happens
Is this IR useable with an axe-fx?
What state are you in?
I honestly would like to see new content from you, not again how good is your free downloadable IR, how minimal are your cuts with stock EQ, your "get it right from the source!" mantra, and so on. It's interesting the first two times, then it becomes boring. It's the same mistake that Recording Revolution is doing, the exact basic concepts repeated over and over.
Hey Bobby, what power amp did you use to make this impulse response ?
I used the power amp section of my Vetta II HD. It's a solid state/clean power amp (which is the only way to properly capture IRs). Hope that helps!
Amp sims all the way for me. By the way, do you also find that receiving bad DIs can be just as difficult to work with?
If you have a DI that was tracked by a pro shredder that has control over string vibrations and whatnot, you can put that DI into any ampsim and it sound stellar. It really is all about getting it right at the source, Bobby and other wizards of UA-cam Metal Mixing have that as a golden rule.
There is some processing that can be done to brighten the DI, Ive even messed with transient plugins when recording djent style breakdowns to emphasize the pick attack and clamp down on the sustain...works wonders!
Throw a compressor on your DI before it hits anything else at 4:1 ratio, around 3-5dB gain reduction, 5ms attack 250 second release :) sustain for days son! Gain stage the makeup gain so input and output match, so you aren't overloading any plugins you throw on after. It obviously can produce artifacts you might not like (messing with DI is very slippery slope) but tweaking a compressor like the TDR Kotelnikov (highly transparent compressor, free) can beef up individual notes, chord sustain, etc if you happen to be working with a low signal DI or just a poorly tracked DI.
I'd also suggest doing a 6dB HPF on a DI, to slice the DIs low end slightly, id say up to 150 or 200hz...then use a high shelf or wide Q bell filter to boost the 2-5khz range, a DI signal isn't hitting that register normally so boost pretty drastic until you hear the brightness itll give the DI. id suggest listening through your ampsim. For downtuned or 7, 8 string guitar tracks, you can also dip the 7-800hz range heavy. Experiment with what the low or high mid cutting will take away from the distortion of your amp but it can lead to some pretty amazing tones! Check out Humanitys Last Breath for examples. He cuts mids heavy, runs it through the Fortin Nameless Suite
When a client sends me a crap DI track, I won't even bother taking on the project. A solid DI is everything.
@@FrightboxRecording Those who can't produce solid DI's are oblivious to how much it truly IS everything. I was studying Humanitys Last Breath DI tracks for their song Animal, Buster Odeholm is a gangster...he processes DI for maximum efficiency of target frequencies going into an ampsim, and he even edits clip gain levels or possibly just volume automation to shape swells of low end sustain, and enhance pick attack almost like what a transient shaper does to the attack of a snare!
I ran those DI tracks through the shittiest freeware ampsims all the way up to the Helix Stomp and Neural DSP Suites.....its hard to make that DI track sound bad when mixing
you look like
Matthew Tuck from BFMV
We're you running anything on the master track at all?
Nope.
I've been using bias fx for awhile. I do like some of the tones I get out of it. But I'm wondering what the rest of you guys think of bias.
I've used it for leads, but usually not for rhythms.
Bias FX is great if you want to spend the time to dial in a tone, but the preset tones are trash.
Thanks for the tips. I'm never happy with tones.
Does anybody know where I can get a 64-bit tubescreamer? Asking as a mac user😳
Pretty sure Waves makes one in their GTR bundle.
There’s TSE 808 and it’s free, I use it
I don't know what ever i do I just suck on mixing
I used n track to create some simple demos. Isnt much but come check out some of my stuff via bandlab @ dustinray/waefguitar
Bro why you always mix your snare way too loud
I always record guitars first so the drummer has something to vibe to. Especially if the guitarist is a super tight player.
hmm, the way you deliver the presentation tells me that either you are lying or at least hiding information regarding the pre-mixing preparation of the DI aslo the impulse response you are using. We both know what a terrible sh¡t tone of lows a DI has on its own. It has to be filtered somehow or at least on a channel strip plugin of some sort.