Before you comment how much you hate Discovery...I don't care. It's not Star Trek's best show, but even in bad Trek(looking at you Season 3 TOS), there's great moments and things to be had. I should have prefaced the video better. The overall criteria for this particular ranking was 'Onscreen Utility To Starfleet'. The Crossfield Class will never win the prettiest date at the prom award, but it's feature-set puts it above a lot of the rest of the franchise. None of us are going to agree on our own particular favorites. Please keep making the case for the Sovereign Class, and your own personal favs, but don't blindly hate something without coming back with good onscreen evidence to support your point. 'Discovery Is Not Star Trek'...is a mute point.
Discovery is a solid ship, I personally believe what many are getting at is the technology being extremely experimental, even in the 31-32 century. If it were a hybrid like Constitution or Galaxy, sure, but its mainly a science ship, a test bed for technology which basically puts it in the same line of work as the Oberth. Again, I love the design, the show is pretty good especially later on but if we're looking at technical specs, that's what I believe most mean. Can't forget how cool the multiple spore jumps were in the first season though, it really shows the technology would have massive implications if used on a more battle oriented ship Edit: by hybrid I mean a mix of science and military uses. The Discovery as I remember from the show was merely a science vessel with some armaments. Wouldn't mind a breakdown of the best military and science vessels respectively after this list
@@blackdog6969 I think I clearly have to do a series on ships, and it either needs to start with Crossfield or Sovereign. Disco was a science vessel to start. But especially after the 32nd Century upgrades, it's a utility knife for Starfleet. It's taken more punishment in 4 season than Ent-D in 7.
New to your channel, but I just subscribed. Honestly, I think Trekkie purists overreacted to Discovery after the Klingon reveal. I personally liked the Klingon redesign; it made them far more alien and dare I say - more Klingon (though the new bat'leths could be better). As far as the show itself, it has better pacing, better action, funky new tech - all the hallmarks of what makes a new Star Trek show awesome. Also, I like the coherent season-long plot as opposed to the episodic pattern of shows past. I'm currently rewatching DS9, and it is a little painful trying to get to the Dominion War, but it's still awesome. I'm old enough to remember the backlash against the Defiant design - which is now a beloved cult favorite. Of course, we didn't have widespread internet use where everyone could dump their reactionary opinion on the internet. It's too bad the upcoming season is going to be the last. I think it still has a lot more story to tell. I predict that after a few years, people will look back and regret the show ending early. Enterprise had a similar negative response from purists. Now, I don't know anyone who doesn't wish Captain Archer and his plucky pre-Federation crew had more seasons. The fandom should be careful about what we wish for. If we keep thumbing our noses at every innovation, we are going to end up with the same problem Star Wars and Marvel fandoms face - generic, formulaic, and subpar movies and shows with constant callbacks instead of new and interesting stories. How many JJ Abrams Kelvin Timelines do we really need? Let's let the creatives stay creative and get some amazing new stories. (It's not Khan, it's not Khan, it's not Khan.... KHAAAAAAN!!!)
I'd say the Galaxy class neck was actually immensely strong, the ship was rammed head on by a Jem Hadar destroyer which then exploded, and in the final shot you can see the neck is still intact. What destroyed the ship was it's own warp core breaching from the impact.
Im pretty basic but I love the soverign, it's a beast, can take a lick and keep going, literally needed an overpowered ship with an overpowered cloak to even cripple the ship.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Also I keep forgetting how good of a ship the intrepid class is and as it is and should be the symbol of starfleet, since it does everything a good starfleet ship should. A ship that is soft enough that people can approach and its primary focus is science and exploration. Though in battle it was able to fight like a soverign, and survived a year of total hell and even as a black husk was still seen as a threat, only the federation warships can say they pull that off, but the intrepid is also not a warship which is why it's the perfect symbolf of the federation.
@@SuperGamefreak18 That's what kept the Defiant off for 2 reasons. We see the hero-ship get destroyed before the end of the series, and Starfleet isn't in the business of building warships...at least until the Dominion War. The Sovereign though after ramming speed in Nemesis is still a viable ship at the end of the day, and it deserves at least an honorable mention here.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I though so as well and while the defiant is a famous warship, that's really all it is a warship, the Luna class, Soverign and well intrepid are ships that can be both faces and warships, unlike the galaxy class's generation, which were all luxury cruisers.
@@CommodoreFloopjack78 The refit looked ok i suppose but even then its just not a well thought out design when you consider the work that went into Voyager, Enterprise D, Enterprise F you can see love and care in those ships even the Prometheus reeks of a ship that people really thought about its just sad we got an entire show on Discovery when there are oodles if amazing ships that could have made a much better TV Show and we're lumbered with season after season of diversity hires and making men look dumb and making sure only a black woman is competent with crying captains and non binary crap and a gay couple and all that woke nonsense! I dunno about you but I want sci fi action not love stories! Sisco, tuvok to name a few were black characters who were incredible yet we didn't make a fuss about it because they were deserving people no hired for anything else but theyre acting abilities! Sorry to ramble friend ❤🙏🏼
@@martindevon3204 Riker's Luna class is also a science vessel. However it's also a highly capable battleship - they're not mutually exclusive. The Oberth is just a product of a time in which the Federation had gotten complacent and didn't bother to dedicate the resources to shoring up the defenses and basic systems of their smaller vessels. It's why they eventually starting getting replaced by the Nova class.
All this is based on one scene in a movie where it was supposed to die. However, it works so well the design lasts as long as the Excelsior well into TNG.
USS Expendable USS Tombstone USS Adios Amigos USS Sarcophagus USS Dasvedanya USS Pine Box USS Next of Kin USS Au Revoir USS Organ Donor USS Body Bag USS Hearse USS Taps USS Shroud USS Six Feet Under USS Death Mask USS Last Words USS Canary in the Coal Mine USS Easy Target This is fun! Come on, folks, there's a whole fleet to name!
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Yeah I was surprised at first not to see them in the top five, but they had some really solid designs with exceptional history to contend with. I still believe the Sovereign should've been up there in terms of sheer staying power. Being able to survive an extraordinarily drawn out battle with a ship as insanely heavily armed as the Scimitar puts it far above most other Starfleet designs we've ever seen in combat. Those regenerative shields are wild.
I personally have a soft spot for the Miranda... it may be a bit of a deathtrap in modern times, but you just can't beat the sheer levels of mass production you can throw out with them!
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek The Miranda in the Picard S2 fleet is actually the 25th century updated version of the Miranda, called the Reliant-Class, as seen in Star Trek Online. Quite a few of the ships in the fleet are from STO, thanks to the art team reaching out to the devs to have a more appropriate fleet in S2.
It's those pesky design flaws that crop up every now and then, and the lack of the original not making to the end of the run...That being said #6 Sovereign, #7 Defiant Class
My vote is for the Intrepid and Defiant classes. Everything else seems impractical and poorly designed for conflict. But, that's the genius of Trek, Starfleet ships are generally designed for peace and research.
I think instead of th Crossfield class ship, the second place should go with either the Nebula class or Sovereign class. These are much more versatile vessels, produced during decades, with long and successful careers, and mass produced.
Just for the benefit of the people who grew up after the remastered TOS with all the CGI came out, I’m gonna mention that those space cruisers never really turned up on the screen is anything other than a blur. The design was entirely cooked up by the remastering people, they weren’t there from 1966 on
I know, but the descriptions every time of the J-Class make it out to be a deathtrap. I am glad it's one of the things they updated for the better in the remaster.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I was just trying to be helpful for the surprising number of people who don’t realize TOS didn’t always look the way it looks now. :-)
Excelsior I think is clearly the best. It was only at the top of the heap in the waning days of the Constitution class through the introduction of the Ambassador, but it was a very flexible design capable of being upgraded to serve as the primary backup to Starfleets first line ships. My headcanon is that due to their role as test vessels for transwarp, they were built for easy modification, especially of the propulsion systems and associated power distribution systems. That would let it be upgraded with more, say, Galaxy class era tech than the Ambassadors could. Texas class has to be the worst. You'd think someone would have brought up the M-5 incident aboard Enterprise.
Overpowered and ill-equipped for the role. They assigned a monstrously combat-oriented AI with zero empathy or diplomatic skill to perform a function that dedicated diplomats should be there for. Second contact is still an important stage for developing relations with new species. One mistake can start a war because there's still tension and early developing trust there.
I'm on board with the Galaxy-class being one of the worst as far as esthetics go. I've always thought its saucer was disproportionate to its engineering section, like it's going to topple forward. But the Crossfield as the second best?? Well, okay--everyone has a right to love what they love! Some people love Andy Warhol paintings--so, fair enough. But for me (period esthetics aside), it suffers a similar issue to the Galaxy in so far as being disproportionately awkward-looking--primarily because of its ridiculously long warp nacelles (slightly improved in seasons 3 & 4). But my god, those things were insanely long and ridiculous. If they had shorted them closer to the original design we saw in the original teaser trailer, it would have looked better. Not a beautiful ship, but at least passable. To me, the most beautiful design remains the Constitution-class, particularly the TMP refit, but I love the TOS version, too. The COOLEST-looking ship is DS9's badass Defiant-class. [EDIT: I'm also rather partial to the NX-01.]
It's not a love what I love. Or a beauty contest. The list is based on utility to Starfleet, and while I very nearly knocked the Constitution from number 5 for it, I knew people liked the Sovereign, but it wasn't til I made a video that went viral, and left it off, that I learned a thing or six about the fandom. The Crossfield wins based on being a veritable utility knife to Starfleet in the 32nd Century and I will die on this hill.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek "...I learned a thing or six about the fandom." LOL! I hear you, my friend! Well, I'll tell you one thing about the Crossfield I do like (and this is from a purely esthetic standpoint, not a practical one) is the ringed structure of the saucer section around a central sphere. That actually does look cool. Maybe not particularly practical or a good use of space--but it LOOKS cool. But, man, those mile-long nacelles! I will say that this ship is certainly a better fit for the 32nd century, frankly ANY century other than the 23rd. It definitely fits a show set in the "future." I've said on my own channel, if they had started the show in the future in the first place, I don't think anyone would have had an issue with it. Hell, this could have been set parallel to "Picard" in the early 25th century with an experimental "spore drive" (Picard makes a cameo or whatever), I would have been fine with it.
I think it’s a bit mean to the galaxy, in both examples with the duras sisters and the Jem’Hadar, the ships basically had no shields. the neck wasn’t an issue, and they still tanked torpedo and energy weapon hits directly to the hull for several minutes. Odyssey only gave out when a Jem’Hadar fighter exploded in its deflector and damaged the warp engines. That’s after getting dozens of tiny stab wounds straight to the face. Respect a ship that can stand up to weapons without shields.
The constitution class is full of flaws. They lost so many of them. All later heavy cruiser configuration ships we have seen later on fixed the flaw of the thin neck and nacelle struts. The constitution class ship we have seen At Wolf 359 was cut into pieces.
My feelings of STD are not a factor in my thinking that ship is absolutely hideous. Voyager's design didn't make much sense. Combat would be at impulse, and the engines should have folded in to protect the nacelles in battle. Should have had the Reliant on the good list. It also had longevity. No arguments on the worst list lol
I agree with many of these, but like many, not all. Those ships are the same as others have already mentioned so I won't bother but what I would love to see is an Excelsior class remodel/refit to fit the design philosophy of the post Borg/Dominion war era vessels. No neck, nacelles brought closer to the hull, etc. A ship built to withstand time itself and any threat the Federation could face. Wouldn't be a hard to do refit either in universe, they'd just be cutting sections out, perhaps adding the ability for adjustable nacelles to deal with the warp subspace degradation issue
Nebula class is #2, and Miranda class is #1. The Nebula class has that pod that could turn it into a highly powerful tactical ship. The Miranda simply because the OG Kahn used it quite well against the Enterprise, and how it had all the necessities of a Constitution class, but without the secondary hull. That over the top strap would allow for modifications, and additional armaments in case of war. What I have never understood is the strict adherence to class design. Some ships have potential to be modified in the field, and altered so that they can perform their duties better than before. Oh, let's explore this strange nebula. Ignore the fact that nebula are huge, and only look foggy due to distance from the source. Let's go inside and explore anyway. Why you ask? To discover stuff. Well, I suppose we could scan it from a distance and work on upgrades while we're at it. That just isn't very Star Fleet-like, don't you agree?
Out of the ships that was designed around the time of the Galaxy class yeah I think the Nebula was the only one that could be called both an explorer and capital ship, this is coming from a galaxy class fan.
Miranda definitely has a great history. But it just didn't keep up with the times like the Excelsior did. They were cannon fodder in the Dominion War, constantly getting blown up in one shot. It felt a little like Starfleet was *trying* to get its people killed. I realize they were desperate and running low on ships, but they would've been better off salvaging the less combat capable designs to construct more powerful ones. Even if the materials aren't compatible with newer ships like the Akira, Sovereign, or Prometheus - they could still use them to build or patch up refitted Excelsiors. Then again, it's also a choice that resulted from the inherent war strategies of the Federation during the early parts. They just weren't willing to commit large sacrifices to ensure absolute victory. It caused such heavy and quick attrition with them trying to preserve as much as they could with slowing tactics.
If you wanted a good, long duration ship frame, that kept going long after it should have gone away and yet still was used... The Miranda-Class, and all the variants of it such as the Saratoga's rollbar-less, twin-phaser cannon, the Soyuz-Class sub-variant with multiple sensor arrays, and branches such as the Centaur-Class which was the Miranda with an Excelsior look.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Most things didn't take damage well in the Dominion War or the fight against the Borg. The advantage of the Miranda is they were still pretty tough and plentiful even by the 2360s. Plus, stuff like the Centaur-Class (a variant Miranda) showed up in Prodigy. Not every ship can be a ship of the line, and even then, most ship of the lines don't have lifespans as long as the Miranda. To me, it fills that niche of being good at filling in gaps, unlike the Intrigue class which just filled the fleet with Ctrl-V's.
Honestly, I'd take one of the Borg-Buster ships (Defiant, Saber, Steamrunner, Akira, Norway and Sovreign) over almost any of the ships brought up on this list. The Prometheus class is also up there, but it is a bit too finnicky for my taste.
Well not only is that an overused joke the oberth is in a similar boat to the constellation class at worse. It’s a research ship that has no purpose on the frontline and never did. Any place it should be in deep in federation territory and they are designed to be cheap ships that has a number of utility roles
All this is based on one scene in a movie where it was supposed to die. However, it works so well the design lasts as long as the Excelsior well into TNG.
I love the excelsior class but it's not actually a match for the defiant class and the uss Lakota was only a match for the uss defiant because it was specially upgraded and modified
My favorite is the Sovereign (canon). I also like the Defiant and (crap, I'll remember it 😄...the one with multi vector assault mode). Non canon, I like the Enterprise G. But once again, I like when people call the D a cruise ship 😆...it really is, and it puts so many civilians in harms way 😄 It's a good thing if there's time, that it can separate. They should have separated all the time when they sensed danger.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I would love to see a return of the Prometheus class in the 25th or 32nd century (post-Picard and Discovery after S2) with automated maintenance and logistics
Voyager was a bad ass ship , she was a science tactical ship bosting many type 10 or newer phaser arrays by dominion war an 5 torpedo launchers the 5th was in secondary hull just near the warp core ejection system , tuvok used it on the vedians when they were attacked once by 2 ships , they drop an deuterium tank an blow it up wiff a type 9 photon torpedo an disabled both ships temporarily
In the original, non-TOS-R version of "Mudd's Women", Harry's "J-Class" or "Class J" ship was just a bright teardrop shape, or teardrop silhouette (I think that effect was done by literally cutting a hole in a background and shinning a light or playing a film behind it)...it looks NOTHING like the CGI "J Class" built for TOS-R, which again, at least from the angle seen, had a distinct teardrop shape. *HOWEVER*....take a look at the ship said to have been "confiscated during the Mudd Incident" from "Star Trek Into Darkness"...the shape. It's a teardrop and matches the profile of the "ship" from the original, unaltered version of the TOS episode "Mudd's Women". And I am not convinced that it was a mere coincidence...I think whoever designed the ship "confiscated during the Mudd incident" ship for "Into Darkness" went back and looked at the original unaltered episode to get maybe an idea of what Harry Mudd's ship might have looked like in the Prime Universe, and basically realized that a teardrop silhouette was all they had to go on, and went from there. And, honestly, I think it was a MUCH BETTER LOOKING DESIGN than that child's toy-looking ship from TOS-Remastered. I'm fact maybe the ship designer from "Into Darkness" looked at that as well, and said "HELL NO!!!" (also at the time, they may not have had the rights to any TOS-R material anyway, as it was before the CBS-Viacom merger brought everything Star Trek back under one roof.) It's too bad that the TOS-R ship designer didn't have a little more creativity* - I would have designed something very similar to the teardrop/manta-ray design of the "Flying Sub" from another 60's scifi TV series, "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" - it would have matched the original ship silhouette much more closely than the TOS-R design did - AND it would match the 60's scifi TV spaceship aesthetic as well. *(I really dislike a LOT of the TOS-R ship reimaginings - not just Mudd's J-Class - but I also hate that atrocity from "Spock's Brain", the Emorg's ship, I believe, with impulse engine exhaust ports EVERYWHERE on the back of it - something that the current "Picard" show ship designers seem to like to do as well: "Let's make EVERYTHING an impulse engine! Let's out impulse engines *ON* the impulse engines!" But I personally would have followed the same long needle-like 40's/50's/60's silver rocket design as the model built for the original episode. Of course, that's the look that the makers of TOS-R may have been specifically trying to move AWAY FROM, with their bulbous re-design...but I think that I would have kept it as near that shape as possible, as a kind of "retro-future", "Gernsback Continuum" homage...maybe with some chrome skin but ala' the liquid metal Terminator, since it was supposedly built by people who were, in their heyday, much more technologically advanced than the Federation. Though I might have exaggerated the needle shape a bit.)
Terrible or worst, in my opinion: -Defiant (DS9) - not really hate, just meh... -Kelvin "Leg" nacelle constitution -Galaxy class (the saucer section is too big -enterprise j -voyager j (or was it g?) -Discovery (the worst of all so far,)
@@commander1488 Absolutely agree on these, especially the Galaxy class. One of the USS Defiant concepts called the Valiant is a way better design imo but they really fumbled it when making the final model. The NX-01 really grew on me, and its refit is one of my favorite.
That "retired Bird of Prey" that "took down" the Enterprise D was one of the SINGLE WORST written moments in one of the single worst Star Trek movies. A recycled visor plot point with a shield frequency randomly plastered on a console? Let's not just glance over how that whole battle and plot was on a level of a chimpanzee scribbling on a wall with it's feces.
I know a lot of people dislike the Enterprise B design with the added pieces on the hull. Overall I think it is the best looking ship second only to the original Enterprise.
Unmentioned in each division. The Oberth class, apparently with hull made of Explodium. Serious deathtraps, those. On the other side, noticeable in omission os the Enterprise E, Sovereign class. A sleek, mean, muscular hot rod of a capital ship. Also variable number of decks, (see First Contact) which is cool.
The frivolous destruction of the galaxy class was born of show runners, trying to make a point or trying to replace a classic so they could work with a smaller and lighter shooting model.
Yeah, whenever a Galaxy Class got blown up on screen it was often just the equivalent of Worf getting punched out by an unknown alien: show the "tough guy" getting clocked by something else in order to establish that the new thing is a serious threat. But the problem is if the new alien of the week always knocks down Worf, or if you're seeing Galaxy Class ships getting nuked regularly, it just paints either as being far weaker than described.
But the Constitution didn't suffer from a multitude of other problems, and took everything that was thrown at it...unlike every Galaxy Class we ever see.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I meant that if the neck of the Galaxy class is too thin and a vulnerability then surely the constitution class with its EVEN THINNER neck must be a even greeter vulnerability. But strangely enough it got a pass, but the Galaxy had to bite the bullet on this one. That's the point I was trying to make.
For me, the Excelsior and Sovereign are tied at being the best designs. Before any of you say anything please note that that is my own opinion and that I’m aware that you may have one differing to my own.
My favorites: Constitution III-class - When I first saw it in Picard I was mesmerized by its beauty, this and the Sovereign class are my most favorites Sovereign-class - ^ Constitution-class (SNW) - I love this Modern iteration of the 60s design and think it looks a bit better in some areas although i like the OG nacelle design. Yep im definitely a Constitution class man -Jack Crusher 2401 Crossfield-class refit - I put this last because it seems and feels like a much better design that the 23rd century but just isn't my most favorite Just my opinions no one has to agree, we're all Trekkies here
Unsure what the criteria are for this. I'm going by appearance and functionality: WORST: 1. Oberth (If you're on this ship, then you know you're not long for this galaxy) 2. Yeager (Kitbash) 3. Galaxy 4. Constitution TOS 5. Discovery BEST: 1. Sovereign 2. Prometheus 3. Constitution Refit 4. Defiant 5. Akira Honorable mentions for Miranda and Intrepid. I'm not a fan of the Excelsior. In a way, it's a Ctrl+V ship and doesn't look interesting.
I would argue that the only thing wrong with the Galaxy-class design is how massive the primary hull is compared to the rest of it, especially the engineering hull -- but then had one of the Galoob toys, so its frontheaviness was constantly demonstrated to me. As a ship in its franchise, there is nothing actually wrong with its design, and when you remove the civilian compliment and refit it for war, it becomes a hard-hitting tank, and a ship around which the rest of a battle group can become centered. It may be one of my least favourite designs for an _Enterprise_ , but it's nowhere near a Bottom 5 -- a posting I would rather give to the Oberth, California, or Freedom classes. _Enterprise-D_ was destroyed through trickery, not through direct assault, and because the producers said it was time for her to die. What's stranger is that they were ready to have the _E_ be just another Galaxy-class, before coming up with the Sovereign. So why destroy the _D_ ? Likewise I would argue against the Crossfield-class having a Top post: Its hull material makes it look like an alien ship, rather than a Starfleeter, and while it is based on the original concept for the _Enterprise-D_ , that design had raised nacelles. These ones are on the same plane as the engineering hull, so they break the rule about nacelles having line of sight with each other to establish a warp bubble. The nacelles themselves are super-long for no reason, and besides the gaps in the primary hull, the spinning feature is... confusing. And you'd think the shuttlebay would have closing doors, for safety and security. I found myself confused by its scale multiple times, even before the turbollift fight, where it was revealed that the ship, where space would have been at a premium, contained an entire city's worth of space. And let's admit it, the only reason the ship survived as much as it did was because it had the Plot Armour. Programmable matter making it possible to physically detach the nacelles just made things worse, in my opinion (how to warp without leaving ship parts behind)? But then _DISCO_ 's biggest problem from season 4 on is that since they can basically Science whatever they want when they want it, and they have the Captain Who Can Do Anything, there is no tension, and no stakes, in whatever they undertake. A lot of the modern _Trek_ designs also deserve a spot on the 'Worst' if we're just looking at aesthetics: The Janeway-class looks like something you might have on a locket, and it's a bit squished and lacking in details. There's another ship that looks like a toilet, and one that looks like a nightstand. It's like the designers were looking around their house for inspiration. Which isn't always that bad: I always thought _Voyager_ looked like a spoon. My three favourite Starfleet designs are: the Sovereign, the Manticore, and the Narendra. The Sovereign is both an excellent callback to the original Constitution design and an awesomely aggressive and sleek update to that design. The thick neck means that Khan's attack would barely phase it, if that meant anything at all. She looks impressive and beautiful, and always as though she's in motion. She's also one of my favourite ships in _STO_ , agile and powerful. The Manticore has larger nacelles than the original Chimera design, plus an AWACS-style sensor dish on its back. It looks very much like a working, tactical ship that is also capable of taking on other mission profiles. If she had a Romulan battle cloak like her Romulan version, I would definitely take her, but the fact is the Romulan version is just more versatile. It's also very cool how the ship has a way to tie its powerlines directly into the deflector array for more powerful bursts in firepower or engine power. Another cool fact: The Chimera-class was a submission for the contest to design the _Enterprise-F_ . In the end, Cryptic decided to go with the Odyssey, but they didn't discard the Chimera design, instead giving its command to none other than Captain Nog. There could be no greater honour. The Narendra-class is also known as the Provert concept design for the _Enterprise-C_ . Rather than having been kitbashed from Excelsior and Connie parts, this looks even sleeker, and in some ways more futuristic, than even the Galaxy-class. It doesn't have the balance issue of an oversized primary hull, yet it has elements that are shared with the Ambassador-class that became the _Enterprise-C_ in 'Yesterday's Enterprise.' In honour of the _C_ and its fateful battle at Narendra III, _STO_ brought in the concept design as its own ship, and gave it its fateful name.
That might be the most well thought out reply to one my videos ever! Gold Star awarded. I know I'm not going to make everyone happy with these rankings, and are definitely meant to start discussion like this. Crossfield's overall design IS clunky, but as a package, it never fails(even if plot armor is involved, which ALL ship not named Defiant get!)
I think he's arguing against an entire fleet of nearly identical ships, a proper fleet is quite diverse. Carriers, destroyers, frigates, maybe a submarine, that sort of thing. A single ship that can do a bit of everything will do everything worse than a ship that is designed to do one thing. Not that that's ever really been a problem in sci-fi, Galactic was a fairly successful battlecarrier.
I would argue that the Inquiry class was designed to be easy and quick to build in large numbers with limited resources after the synth rebellion, hence the reason for Rikers fleet all looking the same. At least that's my thoughts
One of my favorite designs is the original Andrew Probert Enterprise C, but the form it took when they made the model in TNG has to be one of the worst designs IMO. It's crazy how small changes like making shapes simpler and removing detail can ruin something so great. That's just my opinion, anyway
The Crossfield class with the 32nd century update is my favorite Starfleet ship. The Excelsior class, despite its longevity is my least favorite. I never warmed up to its look.
i seen every startrek up to voyager but these nicknames kinda thru me off and had no clue what ship was being talked about till the segment passed and was unable to learn anything and i clicked off the video to let you know this video is near unwatchable unless your deeply immersed into the community this isnt newbie friendly at all.
I always thought the Inquiry was the worst not just because it was ctrl+v'd in the thousands to save the CGI budget, but also Starfleet's budget. Riker calls it the "the toughest ship ever put into service." I call shenanigans because this is William "Poker Face" Riker we're talking about. He has never won a fight by carrying the bigger stick, just by making the other guy THINKS he has the bigger stick.
@captnrobvious47 It's so funny with that. The Inquiry being a scrapped design for the USS Avenger and it's class in STO. The Avenger/Inquiry family of ships in the game however is often some of the best you can get.
Every time I put anything Disco related, at least one person comes up with this. While some of Disco's story can be an absolute mess at time, it doesn't mean every facet of the show is underwhelming, when broken down categorically.
As much as people hate the USS Copypaste, it actually makes in universe sense. Make a design that works and make loads of them. It feels LESS real In my opinion to have a fleet of 70 different types of ship. That would make support logistics a nightmare.
It does seem like a capable design. Though it would only be practical for the kind of mass production they've done of it, if they're expecting another major incursion on par with The Dominion/Borg.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I would argue that Starfleet should have at most 5 or 6 designs of front line ship in production at any one time. Most Navies in the world try to standardise where possible. As an example the Royal Navy has river class patrol vessels, type 23 frigate which are about to start being replaced by the type 26 and 31 (in a high/low methodology) the Type 45 destroyers and the QE carriers as its front line vessels. Of those the river class aren't true combat vessels. Excluding the mine sweepers and amphibious ships that's currently 1 patrol and 3 true combat classes. Soon to be 1 and 4. A similar line of thought exists in all Navies. The primary surface combatants of the US Navy are the Ticos, the Burkes, the Wasp/America amphibious carriers and the Nimitz/Ford class carriers. The waps and Americas are closely related, and the Ford is an evolution of the Nimitz. Think refit Connie to the OG version..... there are a LOT of Burke destroyers in service. Even though that adds up to 6 or so frontline vessel classes. And of those the America and Wasps are difficult to tell the difference of at a glance and so it the Ford/Nimits pairing. To the casual observer they are just small carriers and big carriers. So it makes sense that you might get perhaps 2 or 3 types of ship in big numbers in any one fleet, ( say 10 Miranda and a similar number of Excelsior or Intrepid) then perhaps one or at most two big capital ships ( perhaps a Nebula or Galaxy ) I know the writers like to make the star fleet ships look different on screen but it does seem thematically odd. The other powers of the alpha quadrant are probably more representative of how actual fleets would be. Think Klingon with 3 or 4 types, or the Cardassians, or the Romulans. That said. I hated the USS Copypaste 😂😂
@@Decrepit_biker I agree SF generally had too many classes of ship. You need a couple of science classes. A heavy cruiser design. A mass transport design. A light recon, and a long range design.
Discovery may not be the best show, but it's got some damn fine ship design, even if it doesn't particularly 'fit' the era the first two seasons are set in. Good choices here. Sorry that you're getting jumped on for having an opinion.
I expected more pushback on the Galaxy Class in Worst 5, but the Disco haters are out in full force, and they're perfectly entitled to their opinion, I just wish they'd support it with more than, 'Disco isn't Star Trek'.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I'm with you on that and I know that she was designed by a different set of engineers and built in a different ship yard that is why it looks different but I'm just use to Gene Roddenberry's ship designs. I don't know why they couldn't design a better ship on Lower Decks though
That's like asking how the Hulk will hold up against Superman. Different universes. Hell, different franchises. Screw everything pretending to be Trek from 2009 forward.
haha no, ill have to disagree with all but #1 in the best ships, but thats cause voyager is my fav. still. the STD ship was stolen from an indie game dev and the new animated PoS just out right sucks, its mostly engines the entire main body is a third one no room for any warp core meaning its all held in the neck or saucer, just another example of how out of touch the new gen of writers and concept artists have become with the og star treks.
The ship was NOT stolen from anywhere. The premise of seeaon 1 might be. I know what you're talking about. The Crossfield class is based on the original concept art for Enterprise D from the 80's. Is it pretty, no? Does it have a lot of features, especially after 32nd century refit...YES!
@@steffenronsch8881 the outer shell yea sure, the transportation tech and the main plot about the creature and its home all came from the indie dev, they got sued for it but won cause of the money and pull they had compared to their victim.
@@CrashCraftLabs you wrote the ship which is completely wrong and that lawsuit was not solid enough to be stolen. By writing STD you Show that you don't know how abbreviations for star trek shows work. ST for star trek is never used.
Let me save you some time. They pick the Galaxy class as one of the worst and the Discovery and Voyager as the top two. I’m actually dumber now for having watched this. Now you can save 7 min of your life and 20-30 pts of your IQ.
Funny you should put the Constitution and Intrepid classes in the Best 5. UA-cam has hosted several Starship Size Comparison videos, and IMHO in most of them, once you get past the size of the Constitution (or the Space Battleship Yamato) you rapidly run out of hero ships. I think it's because ships the size of the Connies and Intrepids -- which are in the same size range as the U.S. Navy's supercarriers -- are the biggest ships a 21st century audience will readily accept as a good guy's ride. P.S. FWIW I think of the Constitution class as the "Devil's Chew Toy." A lot of Connies are lost in the line of duty not because there's anything wrong with the ships or their crews, but because batshit crazy Twilight Zone stuff keeps happening to them like rogue planet killers, space monsters, negative space wedgies, yada yada yada ...
Before you comment how much you hate Discovery...I don't care. It's not Star Trek's best show, but even in bad Trek(looking at you Season 3 TOS), there's great moments and things to be had. I should have prefaced the video better. The overall criteria for this particular ranking was 'Onscreen Utility To Starfleet'. The Crossfield Class will never win the prettiest date at the prom award, but it's feature-set puts it above a lot of the rest of the franchise. None of us are going to agree on our own particular favorites. Please keep making the case for the Sovereign Class, and your own personal favs, but don't blindly hate something without coming back with good onscreen evidence to support your point. 'Discovery Is Not Star Trek'...is a mute point.
Discovery is a solid ship, I personally believe what many are getting at is the technology being extremely experimental, even in the 31-32 century. If it were a hybrid like Constitution or Galaxy, sure, but its mainly a science ship, a test bed for technology which basically puts it in the same line of work as the Oberth. Again, I love the design, the show is pretty good especially later on but if we're looking at technical specs, that's what I believe most mean.
Can't forget how cool the multiple spore jumps were in the first season though, it really shows the technology would have massive implications if used on a more battle oriented ship
Edit: by hybrid I mean a mix of science and military uses. The Discovery as I remember from the show was merely a science vessel with some armaments. Wouldn't mind a breakdown of the best military and science vessels respectively after this list
@@blackdog6969 I think I clearly have to do a series on ships, and it either needs to start with Crossfield or Sovereign. Disco was a science vessel to start. But especially after the 32nd Century upgrades, it's a utility knife for Starfleet. It's taken more punishment in 4 season than Ent-D in 7.
New to your channel, but I just subscribed. Honestly, I think Trekkie purists overreacted to Discovery after the Klingon reveal. I personally liked the Klingon redesign; it made them far more alien and dare I say - more Klingon (though the new bat'leths could be better). As far as the show itself, it has better pacing, better action, funky new tech - all the hallmarks of what makes a new Star Trek show awesome. Also, I like the coherent season-long plot as opposed to the episodic pattern of shows past. I'm currently rewatching DS9, and it is a little painful trying to get to the Dominion War, but it's still awesome. I'm old enough to remember the backlash against the Defiant design - which is now a beloved cult favorite. Of course, we didn't have widespread internet use where everyone could dump their reactionary opinion on the internet. It's too bad the upcoming season is going to be the last. I think it still has a lot more story to tell. I predict that after a few years, people will look back and regret the show ending early. Enterprise had a similar negative response from purists. Now, I don't know anyone who doesn't wish Captain Archer and his plucky pre-Federation crew had more seasons. The fandom should be careful about what we wish for. If we keep thumbing our noses at every innovation, we are going to end up with the same problem Star Wars and Marvel fandoms face - generic, formulaic, and subpar movies and shows with constant callbacks instead of new and interesting stories. How many JJ Abrams Kelvin Timelines do we really need? Let's let the creatives stay creative and get some amazing new stories. (It's not Khan, it's not Khan, it's not Khan.... KHAAAAAAN!!!)
i dont hate the show, but in my opinion discovery is one of the worse looking ships
@@ThePigeonLeague It's not the prettiest girl at the prom, for sure. But it does have an impressive feature-set
Akira and Sovereign, sadly the Akira has so little screentime. I would love to see it used as it was intended , a Torpboat with carrier capacity.
I had called the Galaxy Class the Love Boat too. It functions more as a Luxury Liner rather than a Navel Vessel.
Shout out to Defiant-class. It's a tough little ship. *looks around to see if Worf heard that*
Little?
I'd say the Galaxy class neck was actually immensely strong, the ship was rammed head on by a Jem Hadar destroyer which then exploded, and in the final shot you can see the neck is still intact. What destroyed the ship was it's own warp core breaching from the impact.
Im pretty basic but I love the soverign, it's a beast, can take a lick and keep going, literally needed an overpowered ship with an overpowered cloak to even cripple the ship.
It is a solid design, and it would be #6 or 7 for me with Defiant fighting for a spot also.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Also I keep forgetting how good of a ship the intrepid class is and as it is and should be the symbol of starfleet, since it does everything a good starfleet ship should. A ship that is soft enough that people can approach and its primary focus is science and exploration. Though in battle it was able to fight like a soverign, and survived a year of total hell and even as a black husk was still seen as a threat, only the federation warships can say they pull that off, but the intrepid is also not a warship which is why it's the perfect symbolf of the federation.
@@SuperGamefreak18 That's what kept the Defiant off for 2 reasons. We see the hero-ship get destroyed before the end of the series, and Starfleet isn't in the business of building warships...at least until the Dominion War. The Sovereign though after ramming speed in Nemesis is still a viable ship at the end of the day, and it deserves at least an honorable mention here.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I though so as well and while the defiant is a famous warship, that's really all it is a warship, the Luna class, Soverign and well intrepid are ships that can be both faces and warships, unlike the galaxy class's generation, which were all luxury cruisers.
So the laughable Crossfield makes Top-5 and the Sovereign doesn't get a mention anywhere? You're kidding me.
Crossfield is a truly hideous design! Its just ugly and Discovery is just as bad!
Sovereign is a work of art 👌🏽❤
@@tarync6539 Right? Crossfield is Starfleet's Rent-A-Wreck.
@@CommodoreFloopjack78 The refit looked ok i suppose but even then its just not a well thought out design when you consider the work that went into Voyager, Enterprise D, Enterprise F you can see love and care in those ships even the Prometheus reeks of a ship that people really thought about its just sad we got an entire show on Discovery when there are oodles if amazing ships that could have made a much better TV Show and we're lumbered with season after season of diversity hires and making men look dumb and making sure only a black woman is competent with crying captains and non binary crap and a gay couple and all that woke nonsense! I dunno about you but I want sci fi action not love stories! Sisco, tuvok to name a few were black characters who were incredible yet we didn't make a fuss about it because they were deserving people no hired for anything else but theyre acting abilities! Sorry to ramble friend ❤🙏🏼
@@tarync6539 👍🤘
For me, the Oberth is the absolute worst. Might as well have called it the USS Sitting Duck.
It's the USS Well That's Going to Blow Up
It's a science vessel
@@martindevon3204 Riker's Luna class is also a science vessel. However it's also a highly capable battleship - they're not mutually exclusive. The Oberth is just a product of a time in which the Federation had gotten complacent and didn't bother to dedicate the resources to shoring up the defenses and basic systems of their smaller vessels. It's why they eventually starting getting replaced by the Nova class.
All this is based on one scene in a movie where it was supposed to die. However, it works so well the design lasts as long as the Excelsior well into TNG.
USS Expendable
USS Tombstone
USS Adios Amigos
USS Sarcophagus
USS Dasvedanya
USS Pine Box
USS Next of Kin
USS Au Revoir
USS Organ Donor
USS Body Bag
USS Hearse
USS Taps
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This is fun! Come on, folks, there's a whole fleet to name!
The engineer in me likes the Defiant, because it's one of the few Starfleet ships that doesn't look like it'll break apart under stress.
The Sovereign and Defiant classes are tops for me, with the Intrepids just behind.
They are the number 6 and 7 spots for me, and I really wrestled with getting them on the list.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Yeah I was surprised at first not to see them in the top five, but they had some really solid designs with exceptional history to contend with. I still believe the Sovereign should've been up there in terms of sheer staying power. Being able to survive an extraordinarily drawn out battle with a ship as insanely heavily armed as the Scimitar puts it far above most other Starfleet designs we've ever seen in combat. Those regenerative shields are wild.
I personally have a soft spot for the Miranda... it may be a bit of a deathtrap in modern times, but you just can't beat the sheer levels of mass production you can throw out with them!
There's one in the fleet at the end of Picard Season 2 in the very background of this video thumbnail. Kind of impressive run!
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek The Miranda in the Picard S2 fleet is actually the 25th century updated version of the Miranda, called the Reliant-Class, as seen in Star Trek Online. Quite a few of the ships in the fleet are from STO, thanks to the art team reaching out to the devs to have a more appropriate fleet in S2.
I'm disappointed the Defiant/Sao Paolo class isn't on the best list...it's my favorite...
It's those pesky design flaws that crop up every now and then, and the lack of the original not making to the end of the run...That being said #6 Sovereign, #7 Defiant Class
Best: Excelsior-class
Worst: Excelsior-class refit.
Favorite: Saber-class
Hated: Crossfield-noclass
I have enjoyed the Oberth science ship. It's has a streamline utilitarian design. It's simple and effective for its purpose.
Really big fan of the Intrepid class - always really liked the look of it and the overall aesthetic as opposed to the Galaxy class.
Crossfield over Sovereign? I don’t think so brah
Shocked the Oberth didn't make the list.
So many great ships...only 5 awards. Sovereign and Defiant would be the Honorable Mentions
My vote is for the Intrepid and Defiant classes. Everything else seems impractical and poorly designed for conflict. But, that's the genius of Trek, Starfleet ships are generally designed for peace and research.
I think instead of th Crossfield class ship, the second place should go with either the Nebula class or Sovereign class. These are much more versatile vessels, produced during decades, with long and successful careers, and mass produced.
While not a capital ship i'd say my 1st place goes to the Defiant Class followed closely by the Sovereign Class
Just for the benefit of the people who grew up after the remastered TOS with all the CGI came out, I’m gonna mention that those space cruisers never really turned up on the screen is anything other than a blur. The design was entirely cooked up by the remastering people, they weren’t there from 1966 on
I know, but the descriptions every time of the J-Class make it out to be a deathtrap. I am glad it's one of the things they updated for the better in the remaster.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I was just trying to be helpful for the surprising number of people who don’t realize TOS didn’t always look the way it looks now. :-)
Excelsior I think is clearly the best. It was only at the top of the heap in the waning days of the Constitution class through the introduction of the Ambassador, but it was a very flexible design capable of being upgraded to serve as the primary backup to Starfleets first line ships. My headcanon is that due to their role as test vessels for transwarp, they were built for easy modification, especially of the propulsion systems and associated power distribution systems. That would let it be upgraded with more, say, Galaxy class era tech than the Ambassadors could.
Texas class has to be the worst. You'd think someone would have brought up the M-5 incident aboard Enterprise.
The Texas-class does seem a bit overpowered for second contact missions.
Overpowered and ill-equipped for the role. They assigned a monstrously combat-oriented AI with zero empathy or diplomatic skill to perform a function that dedicated diplomats should be there for. Second contact is still an important stage for developing relations with new species. One mistake can start a war because there's still tension and early developing trust there.
My favorite StarFleet ship design is probably the Sovereign class. Although, the NX, Intrepid, and Protostar classes are also pretty high on my list.
I'm on board with the Galaxy-class being one of the worst as far as esthetics go. I've always thought its saucer was disproportionate to its engineering section, like it's going to topple forward. But the Crossfield as the second best?? Well, okay--everyone has a right to love what they love! Some people love Andy Warhol paintings--so, fair enough. But for me (period esthetics aside), it suffers a similar issue to the Galaxy in so far as being disproportionately awkward-looking--primarily because of its ridiculously long warp nacelles (slightly improved in seasons 3 & 4). But my god, those things were insanely long and ridiculous. If they had shorted them closer to the original design we saw in the original teaser trailer, it would have looked better. Not a beautiful ship, but at least passable.
To me, the most beautiful design remains the Constitution-class, particularly the TMP refit, but I love the TOS version, too. The COOLEST-looking ship is DS9's badass Defiant-class.
[EDIT: I'm also rather partial to the NX-01.]
It's not a love what I love. Or a beauty contest. The list is based on utility to Starfleet, and while I very nearly knocked the Constitution from number 5 for it, I knew people liked the Sovereign, but it wasn't til I made a video that went viral, and left it off, that I learned a thing or six about the fandom. The Crossfield wins based on being a veritable utility knife to Starfleet in the 32nd Century and I will die on this hill.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek "...I learned a thing or six about the fandom." LOL! I hear you, my friend! Well, I'll tell you one thing about the Crossfield I do like (and this is from a purely esthetic standpoint, not a practical one) is the ringed structure of the saucer section around a central sphere. That actually does look cool. Maybe not particularly practical or a good use of space--but it LOOKS cool. But, man, those mile-long nacelles!
I will say that this ship is certainly a better fit for the 32nd century, frankly ANY century other than the 23rd. It definitely fits a show set in the "future." I've said on my own channel, if they had started the show in the future in the first place, I don't think anyone would have had an issue with it. Hell, this could have been set parallel to "Picard" in the early 25th century with an experimental "spore drive" (Picard makes a cameo or whatever), I would have been fine with it.
I think it’s a bit mean to the galaxy, in both examples with the duras sisters and the Jem’Hadar, the ships basically had no shields. the neck wasn’t an issue, and they still tanked torpedo and energy weapon hits directly to the hull for several minutes.
Odyssey only gave out when a Jem’Hadar fighter exploded in its deflector and damaged the warp engines. That’s after getting dozens of tiny stab wounds straight to the face.
Respect a ship that can stand up to weapons without shields.
J Class might be one of the worst… bit it still looks better than the Discovery
Sovereign Class is the best, by far!
The constitution class is full of flaws. They lost so many of them. All later heavy cruiser configuration ships we have seen later on fixed the flaw of the thin neck and nacelle struts.
The constitution class ship we have seen At Wolf 359 was cut into pieces.
No aft torpedo bay on 1701 after refit
My feelings of STD are not a factor in my thinking that ship is absolutely hideous.
Voyager's design didn't make much sense. Combat would be at impulse, and the engines should have folded in to protect the nacelles in battle.
Should have had the Reliant on the good list. It also had longevity.
No arguments on the worst list lol
I agree with many of these, but like many, not all. Those ships are the same as others have already mentioned so I won't bother but what I would love to see is an Excelsior class remodel/refit to fit the design philosophy of the post Borg/Dominion war era vessels. No neck, nacelles brought closer to the hull, etc. A ship built to withstand time itself and any threat the Federation could face. Wouldn't be a hard to do refit either in universe, they'd just be cutting sections out, perhaps adding the ability for adjustable nacelles to deal with the warp subspace degradation issue
There is an Excelsior II Class in Picard S2.
Nebula class is #2, and Miranda class is #1.
The Nebula class has that pod that could turn it into a highly powerful tactical ship.
The Miranda simply because the OG Kahn used it quite well against the Enterprise, and how it had all the necessities of a Constitution class, but without the secondary hull. That over the top strap would allow for modifications, and additional armaments in case of war.
What I have never understood is the strict adherence to class design. Some ships have potential to be modified in the field, and altered so that they can perform their duties better than before.
Oh, let's explore this strange nebula. Ignore the fact that nebula are huge, and only look foggy due to distance from the source. Let's go inside and explore anyway. Why you ask? To discover stuff.
Well, I suppose we could scan it from a distance and work on upgrades while we're at it.
That just isn't very Star Fleet-like, don't you agree?
Miranda's definitely hold a special place in Trek history!
Out of the ships that was designed around the time of the Galaxy class yeah I think the Nebula was the only one that could be called both an explorer and capital ship, this is coming from a galaxy class fan.
Miranda definitely has a great history. But it just didn't keep up with the times like the Excelsior did. They were cannon fodder in the Dominion War, constantly getting blown up in one shot. It felt a little like Starfleet was *trying* to get its people killed. I realize they were desperate and running low on ships, but they would've been better off salvaging the less combat capable designs to construct more powerful ones. Even if the materials aren't compatible with newer ships like the Akira, Sovereign, or Prometheus - they could still use them to build or patch up refitted Excelsiors.
Then again, it's also a choice that resulted from the inherent war strategies of the Federation during the early parts. They just weren't willing to commit large sacrifices to ensure absolute victory. It caused such heavy and quick attrition with them trying to preserve as much as they could with slowing tactics.
Thank you for recognizing Voyager!!! Thank you
Discovery? number 2 best? im sorry, i cant agree with that, the worst designed ship would be a better call I feel, but thats only my opinion.
It's not a beauty contest. Disco certainly doesn't win that. Purely based on utility shown on screen
If you wanted a good, long duration ship frame, that kept going long after it should have gone away and yet still was used... The Miranda-Class, and all the variants of it such as the Saratoga's rollbar-less, twin-phaser cannon, the Soyuz-Class sub-variant with multiple sensor arrays, and branches such as the Centaur-Class which was the Miranda with an Excelsior look.
Is it cool and practical? Yes. Didn't take damage well, though.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Most things didn't take damage well in the Dominion War or the fight against the Borg. The advantage of the Miranda is they were still pretty tough and plentiful even by the 2360s. Plus, stuff like the Centaur-Class (a variant Miranda) showed up in Prodigy. Not every ship can be a ship of the line, and even then, most ship of the lines don't have lifespans as long as the Miranda. To me, it fills that niche of being good at filling in gaps, unlike the Intrigue class which just filled the fleet with Ctrl-V's.
Honestly, I'd take one of the Borg-Buster ships (Defiant, Saber, Steamrunner, Akira, Norway and Sovreign) over almost any of the ships brought up on this list. The Prometheus class is also up there, but it is a bit too finnicky for my taste.
Surprised you didn't add the Oberth-class to the worst list considering how it's always getting blown up and how it's widely ridiculed for its design.
Well not only is that an overused joke the oberth is in a similar boat to the constellation class at worse. It’s a research ship that has no purpose on the frontline and never did. Any place it should be in deep in federation territory and they are designed to be cheap ships that has a number of utility roles
All this is based on one scene in a movie where it was supposed to die. However, it works so well the design lasts as long as the Excelsior well into TNG.
Sov, Connie refit, ambassador, excelsior, defiant and intrepid are my fav. Now that Oddysey is here, it's perfect
I love the excelsior class but it's not actually a match for the defiant class and the uss Lakota was only a match for the uss defiant because it was specially upgraded and modified
My favorite is the Sovereign (canon). I also like the Defiant and (crap, I'll remember it 😄...the one with multi vector assault mode). Non canon, I like the Enterprise G. But once again, I like when people call the D a cruise ship 😆...it really is, and it puts so many civilians in harms way 😄 It's a good thing if there's time, that it can separate. They should have separated all the time when they sensed danger.
You're thinking of the Prometheus. I'm assuming it was a logistical and maintenance nightmare, and why we've never seen such a cool ship again.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I would love to see a return of the Prometheus class in the 25th or 32nd century (post-Picard and Discovery after S2) with automated maintenance and logistics
@@convergentradius I'm guessing, like the Defiant, there were a lot of problems in shakedown. But it is a shame it was a 1 and done ship
Voyager was a bad ass ship , she was a science tactical ship bosting many type 10 or newer phaser arrays by dominion war an 5 torpedo launchers the 5th was in secondary hull just near the warp core ejection system , tuvok used it on the vedians when they were attacked once by 2 ships , they drop an deuterium tank an blow it up wiff a type 9 photon torpedo an disabled both ships temporarily
In the original, non-TOS-R version of "Mudd's Women", Harry's "J-Class" or "Class J" ship was just a bright teardrop shape, or teardrop silhouette (I think that effect was done by literally cutting a hole in a background and shinning a light or playing a film behind it)...it looks NOTHING like the CGI "J Class" built for TOS-R, which again, at least from the angle seen, had a distinct teardrop shape. *HOWEVER*....take a look at the ship said to have been "confiscated during the Mudd Incident" from "Star Trek Into Darkness"...the shape. It's a teardrop and matches the profile of the "ship" from the original, unaltered version of the TOS episode "Mudd's Women".
And I am not convinced that it was a mere coincidence...I think whoever designed the ship "confiscated during the Mudd incident" ship for "Into Darkness" went back and looked at the original unaltered episode to get maybe an idea of what Harry Mudd's ship might have looked like in the Prime Universe, and basically realized that a teardrop silhouette was all they had to go on, and went from there. And, honestly, I think it was a MUCH BETTER LOOKING DESIGN than that child's toy-looking ship from TOS-Remastered. I'm fact maybe the ship designer from "Into Darkness" looked at that as well, and said "HELL NO!!!" (also at the time, they may not have had the rights to any TOS-R material anyway, as it was before the CBS-Viacom merger brought everything Star Trek back under one roof.)
It's too bad that the TOS-R ship designer didn't have a little more creativity* - I would have designed something very similar to the teardrop/manta-ray design of the "Flying Sub" from another 60's scifi TV series, "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" - it would have matched the original ship silhouette much more closely than the TOS-R design did - AND it would match the 60's scifi TV spaceship aesthetic as well.
*(I really dislike a LOT of the TOS-R ship reimaginings - not just Mudd's J-Class - but I also hate that atrocity from "Spock's Brain", the Emorg's ship, I believe, with impulse engine exhaust ports EVERYWHERE on the back of it - something that the current "Picard" show ship designers seem to like to do as well: "Let's make EVERYTHING an impulse engine! Let's out impulse engines *ON* the impulse engines!" But I personally would have followed the same long needle-like 40's/50's/60's silver rocket design as the model built for the original episode. Of course, that's the look that the makers of TOS-R may have been specifically trying to move AWAY FROM, with their bulbous re-design...but I think that I would have kept it as near that shape as possible, as a kind of "retro-future", "Gernsback Continuum" homage...maybe with some chrome skin but ala' the liquid metal Terminator, since it was supposedly built by people who were, in their heyday, much more technologically advanced than the Federation. Though I might have exaggerated the needle shape a bit.)
In my opinion, best ships include:
-Gagarin class
-protostar
-NX-01 enterprise
-Sovereign enterprise E (for me, the pinnacle of design)
Terrible or worst, in my opinion:
-Defiant (DS9) - not really hate, just meh...
-Kelvin "Leg" nacelle constitution
-Galaxy class (the saucer section is too big
-enterprise j
-voyager j (or was it g?)
-Discovery (the worst of all so far,)
@@commander1488 Absolutely agree on these, especially the Galaxy class. One of the USS Defiant concepts called the Valiant is a way better design imo but they really fumbled it when making the final model.
The NX-01 really grew on me, and its refit is one of my favorite.
That "retired Bird of Prey" that "took down" the Enterprise D was one of the SINGLE WORST written moments in one of the single worst Star Trek movies. A recycled visor plot point with a shield frequency randomly plastered on a console? Let's not just glance over how that whole battle and plot was on a level of a chimpanzee scribbling on a wall with it's feces.
I'm hoping that we get a canonized Vesta class as the Voyager NCC 74656-A
Sovereign class is the best end of discussion
The Excelsior better be a testament to building it took 20 years to get out of spacedock. 😅
Worth it for a century of service thereafter
The good ole excelsior class. The standard of starfleet
I know a lot of people dislike the Enterprise B design with the added pieces on the hull. Overall I think it is the best looking ship second only to the original Enterprise.
My personal top three favourites in no specific order are Protostar, Sovereign and Odyssey/Yorktown.
Unmentioned in each division. The Oberth class, apparently with hull made of Explodium. Serious deathtraps, those. On the other side, noticeable in omission os the Enterprise E, Sovereign class. A sleek, mean, muscular hot rod of a capital ship. Also variable number of decks, (see First Contact) which is cool.
Both fair choices.
No love for the Sovereign Class? No matter. Great vid.
Came really close to knocking the Constitution off the list
The frivolous destruction of the galaxy class was born of show runners, trying to make a point or trying to replace a classic so they could work with a smaller and lighter shooting model.
Yeah, whenever a Galaxy Class got blown up on screen it was often just the equivalent of Worf getting punched out by an unknown alien: show the "tough guy" getting clocked by something else in order to establish that the new thing is a serious threat. But the problem is if the new alien of the week always knocks down Worf, or if you're seeing Galaxy Class ships getting nuked regularly, it just paints either as being far weaker than described.
I just wish the Defiant had made it to the best list. What an amazing ship!
Okay so the neck on the Galaxy is too thin but the constitution class is perfectly adequate. I think you may want to take another look 🤨
But the Constitution didn't suffer from a multitude of other problems, and took everything that was thrown at it...unlike every Galaxy Class we ever see.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I meant that if the neck of the Galaxy class is too thin and a vulnerability then surely the constitution class with its EVEN THINNER neck must be a even greeter vulnerability. But strangely enough it got a pass, but the Galaxy had to bite the bullet on this one. That's the point I was trying to make.
@@vinnyjhawer7847 I get that. I agree, the Constitution has the same flaw, I just didn't mention it.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrekI think you mistaken plot armor for design!
U.S.S. Discovery does not represent the Crossfield-class as a whole. A better choice would have been Saber-class or Steamrunner-class.
The later two haven't had enough on-screen alpha cannon time. And even though it's a class of one, it's specifically for the Crossfield refit.
For me, the Excelsior and Sovereign are tied at being the best designs. Before any of you say anything please note that that is my own opinion and that I’m aware that you may have one differing to my own.
We're not all going to agree, and you've got solid picks
My favorites:
Constitution III-class - When I first saw it in Picard I was mesmerized by its beauty, this and the Sovereign class are my most favorites
Sovereign-class - ^
Constitution-class (SNW) - I love this Modern iteration of the 60s design and think it looks a bit better in some areas although i like the OG nacelle design.
Yep im definitely a Constitution class man -Jack Crusher 2401
Crossfield-class refit - I put this last because it seems and feels like a much better design that the 23rd century but just isn't my most favorite
Just my opinions no one has to agree, we're all Trekkies here
Sorry The Galaxy is easily the best or second best. Agree that the Intrepid class is one of the best.
Sovereign class, Dreadnought class, Odyssey/Yorktown class and Kirk class are among the very best.
Galaxy and Sovereign the two best without a doubt. Followed by Constitution refit.
From a standpoint of sheer beauty I can agree with Galaxy, and the Sovereign would be my #6.
For me best Design is the Sovereign class & Sabre class
Unsure what the criteria are for this. I'm going by appearance and functionality:
WORST:
1. Oberth (If you're on this ship, then you know you're not long for this galaxy)
2. Yeager (Kitbash)
3. Galaxy
4. Constitution TOS
5. Discovery
BEST:
1. Sovereign
2. Prometheus
3. Constitution Refit
4. Defiant
5. Akira
Honorable mentions for Miranda and Intrepid.
I'm not a fan of the Excelsior. In a way, it's a Ctrl+V ship and doesn't look interesting.
Criteria was on-screen utility to Starfleet. Beta-cannon and seen but not mentioned don't count
I would argue that the only thing wrong with the Galaxy-class design is how massive the primary hull is compared to the rest of it, especially the engineering hull -- but then had one of the Galoob toys, so its frontheaviness was constantly demonstrated to me. As a ship in its franchise, there is nothing actually wrong with its design, and when you remove the civilian compliment and refit it for war, it becomes a hard-hitting tank, and a ship around which the rest of a battle group can become centered. It may be one of my least favourite designs for an _Enterprise_ , but it's nowhere near a Bottom 5 -- a posting I would rather give to the Oberth, California, or Freedom classes. _Enterprise-D_ was destroyed through trickery, not through direct assault, and because the producers said it was time for her to die. What's stranger is that they were ready to have the _E_ be just another Galaxy-class, before coming up with the Sovereign. So why destroy the _D_ ?
Likewise I would argue against the Crossfield-class having a Top post: Its hull material makes it look like an alien ship, rather than a Starfleeter, and while it is based on the original concept for the _Enterprise-D_ , that design had raised nacelles. These ones are on the same plane as the engineering hull, so they break the rule about nacelles having line of sight with each other to establish a warp bubble. The nacelles themselves are super-long for no reason, and besides the gaps in the primary hull, the spinning feature is... confusing. And you'd think the shuttlebay would have closing doors, for safety and security. I found myself confused by its scale multiple times, even before the turbollift fight, where it was revealed that the ship, where space would have been at a premium, contained an entire city's worth of space. And let's admit it, the only reason the ship survived as much as it did was because it had the Plot Armour. Programmable matter making it possible to physically detach the nacelles just made things worse, in my opinion (how to warp without leaving ship parts behind)? But then _DISCO_ 's biggest problem from season 4 on is that since they can basically Science whatever they want when they want it, and they have the Captain Who Can Do Anything, there is no tension, and no stakes, in whatever they undertake.
A lot of the modern _Trek_ designs also deserve a spot on the 'Worst' if we're just looking at aesthetics: The Janeway-class looks like something you might have on a locket, and it's a bit squished and lacking in details. There's another ship that looks like a toilet, and one that looks like a nightstand. It's like the designers were looking around their house for inspiration. Which isn't always that bad: I always thought _Voyager_ looked like a spoon.
My three favourite Starfleet designs are: the Sovereign, the Manticore, and the Narendra.
The Sovereign is both an excellent callback to the original Constitution design and an awesomely aggressive and sleek update to that design. The thick neck means that Khan's attack would barely phase it, if that meant anything at all. She looks impressive and beautiful, and always as though she's in motion. She's also one of my favourite ships in _STO_ , agile and powerful.
The Manticore has larger nacelles than the original Chimera design, plus an AWACS-style sensor dish on its back. It looks very much like a working, tactical ship that is also capable of taking on other mission profiles. If she had a Romulan battle cloak like her Romulan version, I would definitely take her, but the fact is the Romulan version is just more versatile. It's also very cool how the ship has a way to tie its powerlines directly into the deflector array for more powerful bursts in firepower or engine power. Another cool fact: The Chimera-class was a submission for the contest to design the _Enterprise-F_ . In the end, Cryptic decided to go with the Odyssey, but they didn't discard the Chimera design, instead giving its command to none other than Captain Nog. There could be no greater honour.
The Narendra-class is also known as the Provert concept design for the _Enterprise-C_ . Rather than having been kitbashed from Excelsior and Connie parts, this looks even sleeker, and in some ways more futuristic, than even the Galaxy-class. It doesn't have the balance issue of an oversized primary hull, yet it has elements that are shared with the Ambassador-class that became the _Enterprise-C_ in 'Yesterday's Enterprise.' In honour of the _C_ and its fateful battle at Narendra III, _STO_ brought in the concept design as its own ship, and gave it its fateful name.
That might be the most well thought out reply to one my videos ever! Gold Star awarded. I know I'm not going to make everyone happy with these rankings, and are definitely meant to start discussion like this. Crossfield's overall design IS clunky, but as a package, it never fails(even if plot armor is involved, which ALL ship not named Defiant get!)
🖖😎👍Very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed indeed 👌.
The best design is the Nebula Class!
Yes!
"Cut and paste a design" Not realistic....WHAt do you think they wound only make 1 ship per design?????
I think he's arguing against an entire fleet of nearly identical ships, a proper fleet is quite diverse. Carriers, destroyers, frigates, maybe a submarine, that sort of thing. A single ship that can do a bit of everything will do everything worse than a ship that is designed to do one thing. Not that that's ever really been a problem in sci-fi, Galactic was a fairly successful battlecarrier.
I would argue that the Inquiry class was designed to be easy and quick to build in large numbers with limited resources after the synth rebellion, hence the reason for Rikers fleet all looking the same. At least that's my thoughts
One of my favorite designs is the original Andrew Probert Enterprise C, but the form it took when they made the model in TNG has to be one of the worst designs IMO. It's crazy how small changes like making shapes simpler and removing detail can ruin something so great. That's just my opinion, anyway
I’d rather the Probert C had been the hero ship. The D still gives me problems with it’s weird shape and windows
Star Drek Disgracery and the USS Pizza Cutter, er, Discovery is about as Star Trek as what my dog lays in the yard twice daily
hahaha now i cant unsee the image of a pizza cutter
The Crossfield class with the 32nd century update is my favorite Starfleet ship. The Excelsior class, despite its longevity is my least favorite. I never warmed up to its look.
i seen every startrek up to voyager but these nicknames kinda thru me off and had no clue what ship was being talked about till the segment passed and was unable to learn anything and i clicked off the video to let you know this video is near unwatchable unless your deeply immersed into the community this isnt newbie friendly at all.
I'm surprised the California class isn't in the bottom 5. It's by far one of the worst looking Starfleet ships to be cannon.
This is about overall utility, not a beauty contest.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek Fair enough. That ship DOES have value in it's utility.
I always thought the Inquiry was the worst not just because it was ctrl+v'd in the thousands to save the CGI budget, but also Starfleet's budget.
Riker calls it the "the toughest ship ever put into service." I call shenanigans because this is William "Poker Face" Riker we're talking about. He has never won a fight by carrying the bigger stick, just by making the other guy THINKS he has the bigger stick.
That's a great observation about Riker!
@captnrobvious47 It's so funny with that. The Inquiry being a scrapped design for the USS Avenger and it's class in STO. The Avenger/Inquiry family of ships in the game however is often some of the best you can get.
Wait...how you can have a 'worst' list with no Space Canoe is beyond me!
You lost me when you placed the Crossfield class in the top 5. In my mind, NOTHING from Discovery should in the top best listing of anything.
Every time I put anything Disco related, at least one person comes up with this. While some of Disco's story can be an absolute mess at time, it doesn't mean every facet of the show is underwhelming, when broken down categorically.
Other top great ship classes are Sovereign, Akira, and Defiant.
My absolute favorite starfleet designs are the sovereign, yorktown class, kevlin constitution, prometheus class and the vesta class
The Constitution Class Refit all the way! I spent so much class time in school drawing that ship.🖖
As much as people hate the USS Copypaste, it actually makes in universe sense. Make a design that works and make loads of them. It feels LESS real In my opinion to have a fleet of 70 different types of ship. That would make support logistics a nightmare.
It does seem like a capable design. Though it would only be practical for the kind of mass production they've done of it, if they're expecting another major incursion on par with The Dominion/Borg.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I would argue that Starfleet should have at most 5 or 6 designs of front line ship in production at any one time.
Most Navies in the world try to standardise where possible. As an example the Royal Navy has river class patrol vessels, type 23 frigate which are about to start being replaced by the type 26 and 31 (in a high/low methodology) the Type 45 destroyers and the QE carriers as its front line vessels. Of those the river class aren't true combat vessels. Excluding the mine sweepers and amphibious ships that's currently 1 patrol and 3 true combat classes. Soon to be 1 and 4.
A similar line of thought exists in all Navies. The primary surface combatants of the US Navy are the Ticos, the Burkes, the Wasp/America amphibious carriers and the Nimitz/Ford class carriers. The waps and Americas are closely related, and the Ford is an evolution of the Nimitz. Think refit Connie to the OG version..... there are a LOT of Burke destroyers in service. Even though that adds up to 6 or so frontline vessel classes. And of those the America and Wasps are difficult to tell the difference of at a glance and so it the Ford/Nimits pairing. To the casual observer they are just small carriers and big carriers.
So it makes sense that you might get perhaps 2 or 3 types of ship in big numbers in any one fleet, ( say 10 Miranda and a similar number of Excelsior or Intrepid) then perhaps one or at most two big capital ships ( perhaps a Nebula or Galaxy )
I know the writers like to make the star fleet ships look different on screen but it does seem thematically odd. The other powers of the alpha quadrant are probably more representative of how actual fleets would be. Think Klingon with 3 or 4 types, or the Cardassians, or the Romulans.
That said. I hated the USS Copypaste 😂😂
@@Decrepit_biker I agree SF generally had too many classes of ship. You need a couple of science classes. A heavy cruiser design. A mass transport design. A light recon, and a long range design.
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek yes, totally. I sometimes feel that Starfleet looks like a fleet of prototypes.... 😂
I don’t like Ai and will always give a bad review
What Ai?
I liked the design of the ship reliant in star trek 2 wrath Of khan it just looked so cool, and the original star trek enterprise ship that Kirk used
mine is the enterprise g
State of the art, after this video was made, so sure!
I like the Con3 design, however I don't really approve of the idea of throwing the Titan's legacy out the window, instead just make another one.
Discovery may not be the best show, but it's got some damn fine ship design, even if it doesn't particularly 'fit' the era the first two seasons are set in. Good choices here. Sorry that you're getting jumped on for having an opinion.
I expected more pushback on the Galaxy Class in Worst 5, but the Disco haters are out in full force, and they're perfectly entitled to their opinion, I just wish they'd support it with more than, 'Disco isn't Star Trek'.
Oberth="Deathtrap #1"
Seriously?! The Discovery is the ugliest ship I've ever seen. No wonder Burnham keeps crying when she sees the flying pizza cutter.
This is not a beauty contest. It's a matter of features.
2009 enterprise looks the coolest though
I don't hate it, but I definitely don't like it's bridge. Feels like it's out of a completely different franchise.
Aye, and if grandma had wheels, she'd be a wagon.
Discovery and Lower Decks ships 🤢🤮 horrible designs
Tell me another ship that can beat Discovery in a fight or do all the things it can? Not the pretiest ship in the fleet, but the most capable
@@bestoftrekworstoftrek I'm with you on that and I know that she was designed by a different set of engineers and built in a different ship yard that is why it looks different but I'm just use to Gene Roddenberry's ship designs. I don't know why they couldn't design a better ship on Lower Decks though
That's like asking how the Hulk will hold up against Superman.
Different universes. Hell, different franchises.
Screw everything pretending to be Trek from 2009 forward.
any vessel with more than 2 nacelles are the worst
Less than two are pretty ugly too. There's a ship from the TOS era with only a saucer and engineering hull, and it looks awful without nacelles.
The Protostar is an exception for me, as it had 3 nacelles.
haha no, ill have to disagree with all but #1 in the best ships, but thats cause voyager is my fav. still. the STD ship was stolen from an indie game dev and the new animated PoS just out right sucks, its mostly engines the entire main body is a third one no room for any warp core meaning its all held in the neck or saucer, just another example of how out of touch the new gen of writers and concept artists have become with the og star treks.
The ship was NOT stolen from anywhere. The premise of seeaon 1 might be. I know what you're talking about. The Crossfield class is based on the original concept art for Enterprise D from the 80's. Is it pretty, no? Does it have a lot of features, especially after 32nd century refit...YES!
Wrong the Discovery is based on the enterprise Designed for an early movie concept.
@@steffenronsch8881 And then shopped back around in TNG preproduction
@@steffenronsch8881 the outer shell yea sure, the transportation tech and the main plot about the creature and its home all came from the indie dev, they got sued for it but won cause of the money and pull they had compared to their victim.
@@CrashCraftLabs you wrote the ship which is completely wrong and that lawsuit was not solid enough to be stolen.
By writing STD you Show that you don't know how abbreviations for star trek shows work. ST for star trek is never used.
Let me save you some time. They pick the Galaxy class as one of the worst and the Discovery and Voyager as the top two. I’m actually dumber now for having watched this. Now you can save 7 min of your life and 20-30 pts of your IQ.
Class J = Space Corvair
what the hell the sovereign class should have been the first and intrepid second, the horrible discovery ship should never be metioned again
Disco isn’t canon so that class of ship shouldnt be on the list.
If it happens on screen, it's canon. That's how Star Trek canon works 😒
@@NiTeHaWKnz disco is not trek. Therefore it is non canon
Disco isnt even star Trek I agree @chromemox3319
The Galaxy Class Starships the best
oh hell yeah, Voyager is on top xD
and, yeah i kinda like the spore-drive ship,, just that the show should be erased from the face of the earth
Funny you should put the Constitution and Intrepid classes in the Best 5.
UA-cam has hosted several Starship Size Comparison videos, and IMHO in most of them, once you get past the size of the Constitution (or the Space Battleship Yamato) you rapidly run out of hero ships. I think it's because ships the size of the Connies and Intrepids -- which are in the same size range as the U.S. Navy's supercarriers -- are the biggest ships a 21st century audience will readily accept as a good guy's ride.
P.S. FWIW I think of the Constitution class as the "Devil's Chew Toy." A lot of Connies are lost in the line of duty not because there's anything wrong with the ships or their crews, but because batshit crazy Twilight Zone stuff keeps happening to them like rogue planet killers, space monsters, negative space wedgies, yada yada yada ...
Holy shit, you take fiction far too serious! 🤣
Voyager hands down!!!
It seems to have the most versatility and mission profiles.
Universe class is my favorite 🙂
Ok. Cant stand narrators voice. Good lord. Leaving 2 minutes in.