And the odd thing is - there is NO mention of Christmas in the lyrics of “Jingle Bells”, yet it’s probably what everyone thinks is the quintessential Christmas song. In fact I’ve read that the songwriter supposedly intended for it to associated with Thanksgiving. I’m not sure that’s believable since there usually isn’t deep snow in the northeastern USA in late November, so sleigh riding isn’t possible yet.
The crazy part is in the lyrics it says one horse open sleigh.. I have no idea why I even thought it was for Christmas nd Santa has multiple reindeer not horses
civil war era songs are so fucking catchy - gotta admire the propagandist compositional skills. Pure evil right at the heart of the spiritual/commercial holiday anthem. So American 🇺🇸
There’s a blooper version of “Jingle Bells” by Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters. After they’ve all made various mistakes but have continued to sing anyway, near the end Bing misses his cue and then ad libs, “Jingle bells, jingle bells - holy Jesus Christ!”
I think maybe where the CCs have "slave riding in the winter months" instead of "sleigh riding"; "Bing Crosby recorded a virgin" instead of "a version"; and "famous menstrual singer" instead of "minstrel" that it might be worth correcting. Also that Kyna Hamill's research should have been cited if it had been used, which seems highly likely. It's very much worth reading, as there's considerably more nuance to what she wrote than most news media coverage conveyed. But otherwise, a well-composed, brisk video on the subject with good, clear narration and choice audio samples.
Ha auto generated subtitles can be funny. But yeh I should fix that. Cheers I didn't use Kyna Hamills research, like with all my videos, I did my own research. But thanks for bringing it to my attention. I will check it out.
Lol. Its possible to be aware of recording artists that existed before you were born. Especially if, like Bing Crosby, they've recorded over 70 studio albums and released over 400 singles. 🤷♂️
Well it sound similar too I only heard the "minstrual song" term on youtube and i was in the belief that it is in fact "menstrual song" (Im not american and english is not my 1st language but still I feel really silly)
Funny thing is...I intended this video to just be a light-hearted Christmas themed video...I was quite surprised to find out its history... still made for an interesting watch but not the warm and fuzzy holiday episode I was aiming at 🤦♂️
@Traxploitation ya, but we're looking at it with Nowadays Sensibilities. It was a different time and this person wasn't the only person doing something like this. So to point out our is like saying 'how Dare he do something like this' when it was just the times. Didn't get me wrong though, it wasn't right, but when do we stop at policing events that we had No control over? We keep bringing up these Old Wounds instead of moving on and saying how much better it is? I hope you understand. :)
"It was a different time then" 🤦♂️ This statement is so often used to excuse poor behaviour in the past but always ignores the fact people AT THAT TIME thought those things were wrong. Anyway, that wasn't what I was saying. Just that there was no agenda when making this, as your original comment implied. As for "keep bringing up old wounds" This is basically a history channel! 🤦♂️ bit hard to do history without looking back 🤷♂️ and is it really better? Hard to say without actually looking at the past... It's also very ironic that you left this comment on REMEMBERANCE DAY...where every year we literally remember old wounds!🤦♂️🤦♂️
@Traxploitation I didn't mind history and the telling of it, I want to leave you in peace. I've seen so many videos that like to tear down anything that we held dear all because it didn't suit the modern sensibilities, and In sone cases they need to be 'Baby it's Could Outside' love that song but the implications are just wrong. Just that Every Year someone comes out with a video saying how (insert Classic Christmas song) isn't what you think of is. From 'Do You Hear What I Hear' being about the Cuban Missile Crisis. To 'Winter Wonderland' being about a dude unliving in a Hospis. I realize that things in the past were wrong and I want you to know that. I just wanted to vent just because the things I mentioned. Your not to blame for me raging it's just the combinations of things that I've seen and delt with I'm sorry I vented on you and your video. It just seems like the way things are going we just want to treat our past like a way to tear into our pride and force us to forget who we are, else be labeled as such. Which is not the case for most Americans. We as a society are getting that way, and I'm to blame. Getting angry and ranting on the Internet, and I cannot express it enough that I'm sorry I vented on you.
I appreciate your response and apology, although it is not necessary at all. I took no offence at your comments. As I said my intention was to do a nice fluffy Christmas themed video...I actually started making a video on the history of Christmas songs in general but started with Jingle Bells as its one of the oldest I could think of...I never imagined it would have any history beyond someone wanted to write wintery/Christmas song so they did...🤷♂️ With all my videos (I hope watched some others) I try to just deliver the facts I uncovered with as little bias as possible. One of the things I love about history is you really never know what you will uncover. I tried before to do a fluffy piece... the story of "I think we're alone now" pretty much the softest piece of bubble gum pop I could remember in my lifetime...boy was I shocked to discover the strong conceptions between that song and the mafia... So in short, it's not my aim to tear down history...or glorify/romanticise it...just neutrally retell it as best I can. I do totally get where your coming from, there is defintly a trend of click bait topics purportedly destroying something held dear...for entertainment. That's not my bag. Do please watch some more videos, you'll see they're mostly positive or will try to highlight the positives...sometimes however, there isn't a way to frame it positively.
I think u missed the point entirely. Not suggesting it was written as an intentionally racist song. 🤦♂️ Just that it contains the latent, inherent racism of the time. That's not a reach at all. Its evident and demonstrable. 🤷♂️ Thanks for watching and commenting anyway.
This channel is a hidden gem, love it.
And the odd thing is - there is NO mention of Christmas in the lyrics of “Jingle Bells”, yet it’s probably what everyone thinks is the quintessential Christmas song. In fact I’ve read that the songwriter supposedly intended for it to associated with Thanksgiving. I’m not sure that’s believable since there usually isn’t deep snow in the northeastern USA in late November, so sleigh riding isn’t possible yet.
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Always enjoy your videos, great work, keep it up!
The crazy part is in the lyrics it says one horse open sleigh.. I have no idea why I even thought it was for Christmas nd Santa has multiple reindeer not horses
That's actually a really good point!
Good history, thanks. Also I heard that "jingle bells" were originally used on slaves to hear them running away.. is this bad information?
Thanks for watching and commenting...
Sadly, you're not wrong. There were neck shackles with bells attached used on slaves.
Interesting way beyond Christmas!
Great video! Interesting how readily unsavory origins of bits of American pop culture are neatly tucked under the rug...
civil war era songs are so fucking catchy - gotta admire the propagandist compositional skills. Pure evil right at the heart of the spiritual/commercial holiday anthem. So American 🇺🇸
There’s a blooper version of “Jingle Bells” by Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters. After they’ve all made various mistakes but have continued to sing anyway, near the end Bing misses his cue and then ad libs, “Jingle bells, jingle bells - holy Jesus Christ!”
Like most American customs... derived from racist roots
great video! thank you very much! and probs to those astronauts! ;-)
Thanks for another educational video Wayne... i'd prefer to hear this rather than Mariah Carey lol
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I think maybe where the CCs have "slave riding in the winter months" instead of "sleigh riding"; "Bing Crosby recorded a virgin" instead of "a version"; and "famous menstrual singer" instead of "minstrel" that it might be worth correcting. Also that Kyna Hamill's research should have been cited if it had been used, which seems highly likely. It's very much worth reading, as there's considerably more nuance to what she wrote than most news media coverage conveyed. But otherwise, a well-composed, brisk video on the subject with good, clear narration and choice audio samples.
Ha auto generated subtitles can be funny. But yeh I should fix that. Cheers
I didn't use Kyna Hamills research, like with all my videos, I did my own research. But thanks for bringing it to my attention. I will check it out.
Bing Crosby how old or u
Lol. Its possible to be aware of recording artists that existed before you were born. Especially if, like Bing Crosby, they've recorded over 70 studio albums and released over 400 singles. 🤷♂️
Well it sound similar too I only heard the "minstrual song" term on youtube and i was in the belief that it is in fact "menstrual song"
(Im not american and english is not my 1st language but still I feel really silly)
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Its so amazingly exhausting that racism is built into all our history.
Will Lyle was screwed. Join the club.
lol
01:07 into this video and I can Already Smell what their trying to say.
In short: you should Hate this song.
Funny thing is...I intended this video to just be a light-hearted Christmas themed video...I was quite surprised to find out its history... still made for an interesting watch but not the warm and fuzzy holiday episode I was aiming at 🤦♂️
@Traxploitation ya, but we're looking at it with Nowadays Sensibilities.
It was a different time and this person wasn't the only person doing something like this.
So to point out our is like saying 'how Dare he do something like this' when it was just the times.
Didn't get me wrong though, it wasn't right, but when do we stop at policing events that we had No control over?
We keep bringing up these Old Wounds instead of moving on and saying how much better it is?
I hope you understand. :)
"It was a different time then" 🤦♂️
This statement is so often used to excuse poor behaviour in the past but always ignores the fact people AT THAT TIME thought those things were wrong.
Anyway, that wasn't what I was saying. Just that there was no agenda when making this, as your original comment implied.
As for "keep bringing up old wounds"
This is basically a history channel! 🤦♂️ bit hard to do history without looking back 🤷♂️ and is it really better? Hard to say without actually looking at the past...
It's also very ironic that you left this comment on REMEMBERANCE DAY...where every year we literally remember old wounds!🤦♂️🤦♂️
@Traxploitation I didn't mind history and the telling of it, I want to leave you in peace.
I've seen so many videos that like to tear down anything that we held dear all because it didn't suit the modern sensibilities, and In sone cases they need to be 'Baby it's Could Outside' love that song but the implications are just wrong.
Just that Every Year someone comes out with a video saying how (insert Classic Christmas song) isn't what you think of is. From 'Do You Hear What I Hear' being about the Cuban Missile Crisis. To 'Winter Wonderland' being about a dude unliving in a Hospis.
I realize that things in the past were wrong and I want you to know that. I just wanted to vent just because the things I mentioned. Your not to blame for me raging it's just the combinations of things that I've seen and delt with
I'm sorry I vented on you and your video. It just seems like the way things are going we just want to treat our past like a way to tear into our pride and force us to forget who we are, else be labeled as such. Which is not the case for most Americans.
We as a society are getting that way, and I'm to blame. Getting angry and ranting on the Internet, and I cannot express it enough that I'm sorry I vented on you.
I appreciate your response and apology, although it is not necessary at all. I took no offence at your comments.
As I said my intention was to do a nice fluffy Christmas themed video...I actually started making a video on the history of Christmas songs in general but started with Jingle Bells as its one of the oldest I could think of...I never imagined it would have any history beyond someone wanted to write wintery/Christmas song so they did...🤷♂️
With all my videos (I hope watched some others) I try to just deliver the facts I uncovered with as little bias as possible.
One of the things I love about history is you really never know what you will uncover.
I tried before to do a fluffy piece... the story of "I think we're alone now" pretty much the softest piece of bubble gum pop I could remember in my lifetime...boy was I shocked to discover the strong conceptions between that song and the mafia...
So in short, it's not my aim to tear down history...or glorify/romanticise it...just neutrally retell it as best I can.
I do totally get where your coming from, there is defintly a trend of click bait topics purportedly destroying something held dear...for entertainment. That's not my bag.
Do please watch some more videos, you'll see they're mostly positive or will try to highlight the positives...sometimes however, there isn't a way to frame it positively.
They didn’t step on eggshels in those days, If it was intended to be racist you would know about it,
Go listen to some fiddlin john carson 😉
I think u missed the point entirely. Not suggesting it was written as an intentionally racist song. 🤦♂️
Just that it contains the latent, inherent racism of the time.
That's not a reach at all. Its evident and demonstrable. 🤷♂️
Thanks for watching and commenting anyway.
mariah's is better
Biggest reach ever 😂😂😂
"Biggest...ever" you say. Well thanks I guess 🤷♂️😆🙄
See previous comments for serious answer. ✌️😁