I helped a friend's boss move once. Guy was an aging audiophile. During the move he asked me if I wanted a receiver. The answer to that question is always "YES." He handed me a Pioneer SX-D7000 monster receiver. It was in perfect condition. Happy day.
Hi Steve, I just replied to someone here and then realised I have never thanked you for all the daily videos you do, they have all been very interesting to me and I am sure lots of others to, so a big thank you.
I have been reading his articles for decades. Yes I meant ''legend' of the industry. What is your point? If you do not know how influential Steve has been, do not comment.
One huge benefit of buying vintage is... it doesn't depreciate. In most cases vintage gear only goes up in value whereas new "high end" gear greatly depreciates after just a few years.
Vintage is great if your handy, and can make most repairs yourself. I found changing belts in tape decks, cd players, and turn tables, are pretty easy, for the most part, some exceptions of course, and a good cleaning outside and in are paramount, especially potometers and buttons, oh and bus fuses. In most cases, these are the culprit in equipment that hasn't been through abuse.
I'm 1 for 3 in trying to buy a decent cassette deck on ebay. I'm SO glad one of them worked out, but the other 2 had shipping damage AND/OR mechanical issues.
I've bought, sold & traded vintage gear for almost 20 years, many through eBay & I learned a lot. #1. Try & always buy from someone who deals mainly in reselling vintage gear with great feedback. #2. If you're gonna take a chance on buying a turntable & having it shipped, make sure the seller knows how to pack it correctly & #3. Try not to buy a used Reel to Reel on eBay. I returned 2 before I got one that worked absolutely correctly. Big pain in the ass. I could go on & on, but those are few things I learned during my time. Hope that helps someone.
Steve, so my experience with "Vintage" audio from the 80's and 90's is that parts can be very difficult or impossible to find. Recapping is not so bad, but finding specific MOSFETs and control panel knobs can be virtually impossible. So my suggestion to anyone considering vintage audio is that all the parts are there and listen to the unit if possible. I believe New Jersey Semiconductor may be able to supply some MOSFETs if needed (but you need signal generator and scope to determine that unless you have lots of experience). Capacitors not so bad, but I am finding non polarized capacitors of particular values difficult to find. Suggest "test driving" pre and power amps if you can before you lay your money on the table.
Thank you, Steve for this video presentation, lecture on vintage hi fi equipment. I recently bought a used Sony cassette deck that also has Dolby S; which is why I mainly bought it on ebay. It cannot go in reverse. However, in 2020 I found, and purchased a very good turntable - in my opinion - from ebay, Canadian web site; a harman kardon T25 semi-automatic belt-drive turntable from the 1980s. Phono cartridge works! My favourite era, especially when music is considered. I bought all the measurement tools from Amazon, and the small bubble level gauges from ebay. Checked it out, only little thing is that it has a slightly damaged right rear foot; rubber is a bit torn, and spring a bit bent. However, I checked the horizontal level by placing the bubble gauges, and it is absolutely level. Before that examination, I adjusted the tracking force with a digital gauge; then finely adjusted the anti-skating mechanism by dialing in the more correct number from a test record for this purpose. It is an Anti-skate test disc. Then I bought a new ATN-71 stylus from Amazon to replace the original stylus that is most likely on an Audio Technica AT-71 cartridge. Everything works very well.
I own tens of thousands of Dollars (MSRP) of Vintage Pioneer, Marantz and Carver/Sunfire (some of it didn't start out vintage, but it is now) and I've never had a minutes trouble out of 95% of it. It takes effort. skill and patience to restore (I studied electronics in the '80s but mostly I'm self-taught) and maintain, but once you shake the bugs out of whatever the widget is, this gear goes ON FOREVER and sounds GREAT. I've replaced a small handful of caps, a boatload of pinch rollers and belts (and they're nasty if they're the ones used in the late '80's early '90's. They liquify after a certain period of time), but that caveat compared to the PERFORMANCE they deliver is really minimal preventive maintenance. I prefer Pioneer and Marantz for the '70's silver period and Carver for the '80s, and Sunfire for the turn of the Century. There are tweaks and mods that will enhance their performance, but they all are (in my experience) rock solid platforms IF (a big one-after the decade of "Ferris Bueller") they haven't been abused. Which apparently did happen on occasion. : - )
Ricktpt1 Your right I have Pioneer sx980 with used Heresys around same era I’ve had Pioneer since 80 new and sounds awesome I’ve got Carver 1.5t c-1 preamp from83 and Sunfire is newer 10 all working great Also still can be fixed by Carver or local places Cost? But will last to the grave Newer stuff is junk unless you spend a ton of$
That's been my exact experience, too. Started in 1959 and have heard a ton of gear since then. My brother, with 12 patents assigned to AT&T, helped me to learn a lot about audio.
my entire system was purchased used , have done it that way since early 80s . A person can purchase a new power amp 2-10k$ for example and have it fail 18 months after purchase landing them in the same state as one who bought used for 500-1000$ . Difference being obvious.$$$ There are models and brands that were built stable and reliable , there were great sounding pieces that were less robust in build as well. Years of experimentation has enabled me to have my own list of great and not so great performers. Nelson Pass gear seems to be generally very durable , even the adcom gear he helped with is generally very durable , stable at low impedance .
Be careful if it is being shipped to you .I have had lots of audio equipment arrive damaged...buy beware .i have worked in the ild post office loading trucks.later i worked for UPS claims dept.I know first hand about how packages are handled and packed and shipped.Buy beware.I have bought lots of used equipment.If possible i try and pick up in person.
I love my 1981 Pioneer A9 stereo receiver. Weighs 35 pounds and it's mostly due to the heatsinks to cool the output transistors and the big toroidal transformer. I am going to someday perform a tuneup on that precious integrated amplifier with new capacitors and some plastic safe contact cleaner.
I bought a NAD 1000 preamp 15 years ago just to use the phono stage. I was using a Rotel integrated amp and it had no phono and the NAD was actually cheaper than a dedicated phono pre at the time. I see now that funcional NAD 1000's are trading for almost twice what I paid 15 years ago. Today I doubled down and bought a NAD 1600 pre at eBay auction. Only 62 bucks and if it works (it has a remote capability) I can put the 1000 away. Nowadays I run a Naim Unity Atom as the heart of my system and use the NAD pre to hook all the analog components into the Naim's one analog input (CD/Cassette/Phono). I have had good results form NAD. They seem to last a long time. I know people recap them but I prefer just to buy another used and keep going. The rest of my humble system is a NAD 275BEE power amp, B&W 804S speakers, Sony NS9100ES CD/SACD/DVD, Sony single cassette deck, Reg P2 turntable, NAD PP 2i phone preamp.
i bought a monster Technics SA 1000 receiver 330 watts per channel for only $75 in a Tampa thrift store back in the 90s. i didnt even know it was the worlds most powerful receiver until i got it home and looked up the information on it. Sounded awesome and lasted me about a year and it went out on me. Two stereo repair shops couldnt find parts for it so i ended up selling it as is for $50 in the local flyer, but at least i got my moneys worth out of it.
I bought a Pioneer TX8500 Mk2 tuner many years ago , cost £40 .. replaced all the electrolytic caps and the bulbs .. its a sweet sounding FM tuner still working fine :-) if you buy old make sure you can do the work on them
There are lots of great equipment out there, my favorite line of vintage Amp, Sansui, and speakers, etc. There are stores that specialise in audio equipment which have an eBay rating for satisfaction etc. I would say those are perhaps the best sources next to buying from someone you know. Lots of good stuff at the goodwill stores too. Also, some of these equipment require minor servicing to be restored, to a total recap job which could cost $300-500. Still cheaper than buying some of the $2,000-4000 stuff thats new.
When I was younger I lived below a house in a studio apartment for 9 years. The owner became ill and retreated to a nursing home and his friend cleaned out the house. Low and behold I purchased the "Celestion SL6 si Speakers" which sound fantastic in my bedroom on stands. Also I bought his "NAD 7140 receiver and NAD belt driven Turntable". I paid $400 for all four pieces of gear. It sounds especially good in my small room with the speakers 1 foot away from the walls. I have always had excellent luck with used gear especially from thrift stores that don't know what they have on hand and under sell their speakers. I've paid $12 for speakers that retailed for hundreds of dollar's because the thrift store near my home didn't understand at all what they were reselling. Steve thank you for such great daily clips I'm watching them everyday.
As I recall, the tonearm on the ancient Victrola had no balance - it's entire weight rested on the needle. So, my used Technics SL-1401 looks and sounds like a Space Age marvel. Same with the Marantz receiver and big Klipsch speakers. I love all of it. When I was born, audio was an infant, too. We grew up together and now are old pals. Well, audio grew up, but I didn't. Don't want to.
Lot's of Yamaha amplifier that are truly worth the use prices that I'm seeing... after all the years of digital soround sound system crap, it's hard finding the real sound without spending real dollars in today's stereo market. Used is a good alternative solution for us poor folks lol. Your awesome, great topic. Thanks again! Rock-On until the nabors start complaining... as you know the will. :)
I resemble these remarks! All the vintage components I've bought online have died, except for a 70s Marantz receiver I got on ebay that was serviced first by a fairly reputable seller. The worst part about it is there is hardly anyone who does repairs on this old gear anymore. I cry every day over my NAD 7020e, the sweetest sounding small amp I've ever heard. It's a shame, but except in rare cases I stay away from vintage and settle for new these days.
Time to resurrect some of your vintage components. You may have to do it yourself. Capacitors are the major components to age away. Also some resistors although others may still be good. You can learn a lot, if you have the time, watching Mr. Carlson's Lab and other features on UA-cam. The biggest thing is finding room for a workbench and assembling the tools you will need. And next, and most important, is the learning. Recapped vintage audio can blow your mind and ears.
I had better luck with an original Nad 3020. I bought one used ten years ago and it served me well sounding wonderful for almost 10 years when it finally blew a power supply cap. Had a tech friend repair it and install several polyprop caps in critical spots... now that's a friend! After parts break in it sounds better than ever. I hope to use it for another ten years.
It depends on the age of the item. I have been repairing amplifiers, pre-amps, receivers, tape decks for 40 years. If the item is 30-40 years ago I can guarantee its got something wrong with it. Just because it works doesn't mean its working as it should. I have never had an amp/receiver in the shop that did not need at least $200 to $500 in parts and labor to bring it back like new performance. If you are OK with the fact that it turns on and kinda works then have at it.
So true. I see a lot of people touting their 40+ year old all original Marantz or Pioneer receivers as having that "warm" sound. Yep, the warmth of that low 60hz hum and reduced frequency range that 40 year old electrolytic capacitors and other old parts create. The romance of finding the not-scratchy spot on the volume control. Old gear is fantastic when it is properly serviced and restored to design spec. There are a lot of people that don't understand this.
I still have my first "real" stereo I bought back in 1977. No hums, no scratchy sounds, circuit protector still clicks loud and clear when you turn it on. This thing can still shake the whole house and it has never let me down. Sounds just as good as it did when I bought it from a friend of mine who bought it new in 1974. I guess it could "blowup" at any time....but I'll take my chances!!
The one major thing that you left out Steve, is to be patient! It takes alot of patience, just because you may have missed out on a great deal...relax another will come along if you're patient! The pain and joy of the hunt.
My wife and l moved into a tiny house in April 2021. This always means downsizing. I sold my receivers, Concept 2.0, Sansui G2000, Pioneer SX-650 and, pride and joy, SX-880. I did keep my Pioneer VSX-D1S and my Vector Research VR-7000. Already miss my 880.
Thanks for diving into this topic, Steve. My whole system compromises of vintage high end gear. For a pre I use a Sansui AU-11000, and for my power amplifiers, I use a pair of Kenwood L-07M monoblocks, and a Luxman M-4000. For speakers I use the legendary KEF 104/2’s that I restored. My system sounds so great, I can’t find any other system that I like as much as it. No matter if it’s New, or other vintage gear. I have some short videos showing the gear. Vintage gear is timeless, as long as it’s restored and taken care of. Cheers, Steve!
I saw your video's and read your posts.It does sound excellent. I Bought a Sony TA-E7B and some L-08M. If that doesn't do the trick , I am getting some Sony TA-NR1 Monoblock's. High end vintage is where it's at. Beautiful, rugged for shipping , lasts and sounds better than new ,if it was high end to begin with.(Not some run of the mill receiver) Even those sound pretty damn good.
Caveat emptor. There are a lot of people on fleabay who don't know WTF they're selling and simply post info they found on another listing. I bought and returned a dead Luxman amp (he thought it worked great because the lights came on) but also got a pretty great vintage Denon turntable. Ya never know
Nearly all my gear was bought used. Nearly all of it had an issue or two. Some was expensive to fix, some wasn't. Still, I saved so much on speakers by going used and auditioning prior to buying that I don't mind the issues I bought too much. It's a hobby. We learn as we go. I might be silly here, but half the fun is in the hunt to me.
NAD 7240PE, Harman Kardon 330C and Magnavox CDB471 (with TDA1541 DAC). Great used finds and my favorite gear, even more so than everything newer I have or had owned. These have “the magic”, whereas my newer gear does not (just not fun by comparison). Listen to these weekly, sit down near field interactive listening and always, always a big smile. Just plain old Infinity SL20 speakers on both (I’ve tried more expensive speakers only to return to these - but admittedly I know they probably are the weakest link in the chain), and Grado SR80e headphones (new not vintage). I can say, after trying various gear for years, this is it, my quest is done. Basic, vintage and pure smiles of audio fun.
I got into the hifi hobby about a year ago. Buying good quality vintage gear from collectors is a great way to get into the hobby. Now I am starting to buy some new gear as well, but the used stuff help me get into the hobby for not a lot of money.
In 2008 I bought a receiver from a good friend (original owner). It had a short (among other issues) and I paid him $30. My fix-it guy restored it for $90. Total cost to me was $120 for a Marantz 2252B receiver. Used it on and off with my Hitachi SR-804. Last year I gave it back to him (free) as he really regretted the sale. What the hell, I had it ten years. Besides I like my SR-804 better. Bought it at tech hifi (West 45th street) on 8-28-1979. Nice video Steve, always fun talkin' audio. Fuhgeddaboudit!
Golf ball formed capacitor ọn a older second hand amplifier is a classic, same for oxidated potentiometers, but some times it's fun to solve those problems and make vintage equipment work again (and great for the environment).
My old receiver has over 2,000 components that can fail anytime causing more time in the shop and another repair bill. Good luck finding replacement parts for a 40-50 year old receiver. I say a prayer every time I push the power button. I’m really thinking about cutting the power cord off and place it in a glass case for my old relic.
I recently bought a vintage Sony SQR Receiver SQR-6650. It's in 8/10 condition but the wood is in 10/10 condition. It turns on and everything I just need to buy those four 2Amp fuses for the back. Just cost me $25 at a thrift store! Worth it!
HI Steve, Enjoy your videos!!!! It is a big risk to buy audio on ebay, but I am one of the lucky people. I always wanted a Pioneer Receiver when I was growing up but never had enough money to buy a Pioneer back then. A few years ago I saw a Pioneer SX-680 in mint condition, the man said everything works perfectly, I looked at all the pictures very carefully and clicked the buy it now button. When I received the Pioneer in the mail I was sure glad I bought it. It is a absolute beauty, not only in looks but sound quality. It does work perfect, and all the light bulbs work. A amazing Pioneer from 1977.
Richard White I had a few of those pioneer units. They are really sweet. One word of caution. The amplifier section uses SKX power modules instead of discreet transistors. The problem with the SKX power modules they don’t manufacture them anymore.
Richard White yes it does. All of those except 880 or 980 or above. Then the 1280 has transistors made by nec no longer in production. The good thing about the modules is that someone on e bay is making replacements using little transistors in a pack as direct replacement
I love your channel,you provide excellent audio advice. I bought several of my vitage equipment from Ebay. Technics SL1900 turntable i put a audio technica vm540eb shell cartridge n stylus,i also bought an Abcom GFA555 amp,Acurus 200 x 3 channel amp by Modial near mint condition.
A couple of years ago I got lucky and landed a NOS Pioneer SX-D7000 receiver on ebay. It was a childhood dream of mine and it was completely out of my financial reach when new (I was like in 9th grade). The $1,200 that I paid now seemed like peanuts; this was an answered prayer. The receiver came in extremely well packed from Canada. As soon as I broke the seal on the top of the box, out came that amazing "new electronics" smell from the 70's that is only surpassed by new car smell (which, BTW, they're trying to phase out as it's "toxic"). Cosmetically, it was PERFECT. Like I said, NOS and the guy on ebay wasn't lying. In any case, up on the rack it wen't. Hooked it up, plugged it in, and pressed the Power button (no off, just On or StandBy). It lit up in beautiful blue as expected. But as I turned the volume up, it sounded scratchy and the sound quality wasn't quite there. Took it to the regular shop I take my stuff to, and they had to do to a bunch of stuff according to the repair report. Capacitors, cleanup, lubrication, etc . Now, it works perfectly well, but... Point of the story is time pardons no one and no thing, regardless of whether it is sealed in a box and properly warehoused or not. Great used stuff can be had, but it hardly, if ever, is 100% ready out of the box.
No BS from Steve. Lovely lovely advice: smart, kind and full of wisdom. Many of us having the funds (well not in Teresa May's UK). Guy in Birmingham England UK, Bob Griffin from Griffin Audio. Beautiful shop decades ago got me the hi-fi bug. He had paintings in his shop, jazz paintings (in Birmingham that's something very sophisticated). He didn't try to sell me the latest gear just stuff I could afford: he sold me an used Mission cyrus One. Had it serviced. Still great sounding.
I’ve a friend who bought a Pioneer SX850 receiver off eBay for an over inflated price and it was riddled with issues... I’ve spent countless hours rebuilding it for him with good quality parts, he’s in it for way more than it’s worth and now kicking himself because the Linn pre/power combo I had for sale last time he visited was much to his preference sonically. He bought the Linn combo off me and now uses that in his main system with the pioneer being relegated to second system/museum piece duties. These 70s vintage Pioneer units do look cool and when working right, sound pretty decent too... but they have a number of very common issues (not just dried out caps but a LOT of noisy transistors throughout) and when you factor in the cost of buying and fully restoring one, you won’t get great value for money when it comes to sound per pound, despite what a lot of the guys restoring these things in UA-cam videos will tell you. For reliability and sound quality, used high end gear from the 1990s to mid 2000s will likely be your best bet.
Most of my stuff came from Goodwill. There were zero guarantees. The amp I bought for $40 included a tape deck and CD player that were both broken. Replaced that CD player with an SACD player, also from Goodwill. My turntable is the only part of my system less than 20 years old, it's new. Starting to get worried about the capacitors in the amp and crossover, though it's working great so far!
Steve thank you for the videos. I have been buying used for many years now. Flea markets, goodwill, Craigslist and yes eBay. But with this comes many years of experience on my part. I don’t expect mint and tinker with units or maybe take in for service. I have many systems in place for a fraction of the original cost. It’s a way to enjoy vintage systems that where very good in their day. Each person needs to weigh the pros and cons when buying used.
I have been buying used audio gear my whole life. The one bad experience I had was my own fault. It was a pair of vintage speakers, but I did not test them before buying. I later found the wooofers were not original. Anyway, I parted out the tweeters for the same price as I paid for the speakers, and gave away the cabinets...all good.
I have a warning that you might find helpful. If you are shopping for amplification from before 1978 or so, you must beware that solid state amp technology was touch and go in that time frame. I know that Japanese receivers and amps from that time period are gorgeous and the workmanship is superb, but transistor amp technology was in its infancy in terms of sound quality, and there was far less quality from the output devices of that period. Some of the products sound grungy, and some sound congested and lacking life. Listen closely to sibilance from singers and talkers. Does it sound spitty or gritty? Or does it sound sweet and pristine? Does it sound relatively lifeless? There is some variation from that period in this regard, but not enough. There were many products that were marred by nasty transistor problems.These flaws also tend to shrink the stereo image. It will lack depth, focus and it may not extend very far in width.I have found modern economical receivers that are much better sounding, but I have only heard of few of these, but I am comparing to the norm in the 1970's. I know vintage has a mystique, but beware of transistor amp sound quality from before 1978 or so.
A lot of people equate appearance to sound. Have seen this over and over again. they have "trained" themselves to think the early stuff sounds better. "That warm sound" is so often used. This being a combination of early design with reduced sonic capability and further reduced performance due to 40+ year old capacitors and other components that have drifted well out of spec in the old units. Honestly, the best place for the old gear is in a casual listening environment, after having been properly serviced and restored, even improved, over the original spec.
@@brianthompson1138 I guess my ears are shot then. I have several receivers from the 70s, and almost all of them have their original components intact. I've cleaned and lubed the pots myself, fixed some power switches that had pitted contacts. You know, nothing too serious. All of them sound fantastic to me, and listening music through them gets my feet tapping. I must be "trained" to think it sounds good, even though it really doesn't? I've had contemporary gear too, and that sounded good as well in it's own way. To me, there's not one right way to enjoy music.
In my experience buying equipment which matches is the difficulty. Individual components may sound/work well until put together in your rig. Sometimes it comes down to that 1 elusive component which brings everything together.
About ten years ago, I got a Marantz 2230 off Craigslist. The seller recommended me to a guy who specialized in speakers. I ended up with some Klipsch KG 4.2s and needed to replace one tweeter. I replaced both tweeters and it wasn't expensive. Love the speakers. Upgraded to some Klipsch Cornwall IVs this month. I got the 4.2s for about $350. The guys who delivered the Cornwalls were impressed with the combination of the 4.2s and the 2230. Before the Cornwalls, I tried some JBL 350s. The 4.2s were way better. They fill the room with sound rather than the JBLs needing to be loud. Though both speakers would be keepers.
Thought I would see that Pioneer SX 980 as pictured in opening. That was my route EBAY to purchase a SX 980, hard to find, and did, paid ridiculously $$$$$$$ for shipping, claimed everything worked but some bulbs were out, but wanted to convert all to LED which I did and looks great, did all the usual maintenance and so far so good. Then bought a SX 780 (Yes like the 80 series) on CL and was much better experience, getting to see and hear and take home in car.
I agree with most of that. Personally I buy it because I have the ability to refurbish and repair myself. I don’t think I’d bother if I didn’t as it’s cost prohibitive to get others to do it
Flea markets are a good place to look to. Don't buy anything willy-nilly, but look for the guys who display their gear like a collection, bonus points if they do their own repairs/open it up in front of you and turn it on. Scored a pair of pioneer se-305's from a guy who had them in box and then plugged them in for me and played some music. $20 for mint condition reference headphones and offered money back on all his equipment.
Ich have a Sansui AU317 and a Sansui SR525 both bought used and I have to say that Im really happy with both of the instruments. If anything stops working I just repair it myself. There are plenty of instructions on the internet and some good repairkits out there!
Good video, what I will tell you is if you pay with paypal you are covered if the item is not what it was told to be. I bought a Carver av705x power amp, when I got it and hooked it up one channel was out. I notified the seller and they gave me the option to refund or he s would pay to repair it. Sent it to Carver service, he paid $269 to repair it and I've had it ever since that was in 2003, not too bad.
Been researching Rega for over a year....got lucky and purchased a Hitachi PS-48 from 1976 that is an absolute mint condition. This thing is an absolute beast! Hooked up a Nagaoka MP-110 thru my Vincent Phono preamp and Yahama and I can say the best move I ever made....got lucky on this TT
I've bought gobs of used gear. Got some killer deals ( they can't call it theft if you have a bill of sale ). For the most part it's all been happy endings. Although, my NAD reciever the radio recently quit working. But hey, things wear out and it gave me 6 yrs of good service.
Read no further if you don't want to read a ringing endorsement! My speakers are Zu Soul's. Look 'em up (That's not the endorsement). I have gone through a bunch of receivers over the last five years. I've been lucky enough to find two Sunsui vintage receivers in my building's garbage. One is a Sansui 6500 quad reciever, and the other is a Sansui Seven receiver! Mr. Guttenberg has recommended this type of match specifically, and so has Zu Audio. But before I coincidentally found these two gems I had purchased a Harman Kardon HK 3770. This thing was beautiful looking. It's connectivity was everything a greedy music lover could want! Phono input, DLNA Internet Radio, USB iPod crap, Digital inputs! This thing really sold me! But then I found that Sansui Quad in the garbage, and I tried it, and it sounded better than the HK. OK. Good for me. So I sold the HK and bought a Grado phono cartradge- a really good one. Then I found the Sansui Seven. After spending $350 repairing it, it was indeed a great pairing with my Zu's. Even better than the quad. But after a year, the thing crapped out on me! It reverted to the same problem it had when I found it- no audible R channel, and Static noise when low bass was emphasized. After discussing it with the wife, we decided to buy something new. Something to hold us over for a few years before taking a financial audio plunge (likely the Schiit Ragnarok). I grabbed the Marantz PM5005. And this is the best receiver Ive had yet (This is not yet my ringing endorsement). It is the best so far with clarity, Imaging (although everything Ive auditioned with the Zu Souls image like a mofo), tone, and above all, BASS! Guttenberg has mentioned that vintage equipment can sometimes have muddy bass, and in my experience this has been true. My new integrated amp has such tuneful bass. It's an absolute pleasure to listen to. Also the Marantz is faster than the other amps I've tried. Guttenberg has also talked about the potential hazards of buying vintage equipment in terms of risk VS reward. If you acquire vintage equipment, sooner or later it will cost money to keep it running. In my experience his warning is accurate. So here is my ringing endorsement- Steve Guttenberg knows what he is talking about!
I spent around 2 years, testing different(20-40) floors standing speakers from low to high end amplifiers and receivers. I realized my music feel after 2 years, I didn't focus on the internet reviews because Your taste of music is different from others. I am extremely happy with Klipsch-R28F with Sansui-771 and dali cables. The more you pay the more the better quality of the music is absolutely incorrect from my experience. Try to find your own music taste integration with speakers, amplifiers, cables.
That NAD 2030 was exceptional and mine also and was used for years until I acquired a Quad 22 and 202 sets and modified some components and retained the KT 66s. My speakers were JBLs don't remember the model but had an orange foam front and I preferred the Quad but only just! I see the NAD 2030 on eBay from £175- £750??? Great video and in solid-state the 1970s was a great era!
I own a vintage Harman Kardon A250 Epic amplifier and a matching Harman Kardon T250 Ode tuner both are 1959 in amazing shape. Bought off canuck audio mart so far recommend buying any audio gear from there. Pay quite a bit but I got a good deal, and people that sell on there are audiophiles. :)
I would say - do not buy used gear, if you can not do fault finding and repair. I do buy old equipment, and in most cases it needs some work done for it to sound great. I do look at exterior, so it is not scratched or otherwise damaged. If soldering and alignment using calibrated instruments is not your thing, buy new.
Buying new HI FI can be risky as well. I have heard a lot of NAD horror stories. I have a couple of older amps that sound wonderful to me. Both are Sony from the 1970's. The Sony TA-F3A and a Sony TA-2650. To me the sound is warm with great clarity. I realize that we all hear sound differently, that said I'm pleased with these amps for me. I enjoy the fact that what sounds good to one person may not sound so good to another. Keep safe everyone.
I had the exact same experience with a used NAD preamp I got on eBay. It was very scratchy and after a little careful cleaning of the controls it worked only nominally better. A couple of years later it is completely dead.
I find that old Sansui is the best reliable vintage stuff you can buy my friend bought a receiver A G 8000 DC PURE POWER that we have rocked out to for years he got it used in the early 80s and its only been worked on a couple of times minor stuff!
I've been a vintage guy for a long time my best tip is to first find a qualified, trustworthy repair shop. When you figure out what piece you want; buy the cheapest turd you can find in that model and have it shipped directly to your shop....then forget about it for 8 months.....then write a giant check.....then be happy for 1 1/2 to 2 decades. Then fix it again.
If you can't buy from from friend or relative Ebay, audiogon, and audiomart are really good sources for used/vintage gear. I've scored alot of good gear over the years. I take this approach, don't over pay, lower your expectations, and have a plan in case it needs work. Alot of sellers in this markets are audiophiles and have taken good care of their gear. I haven't bought "new" in years!
I like to buy used "quality" equipment from another "audiophile". One, they usually take good care of their stuff and two, it's better sounding than its predecessors with the bells and whistles... When looking at speakers and receivers, their weight plays an important factor as well....my opinion.
Usually vintage needs restored so buying vintage is fine by me or to people know and want to restore a great sounding device. For people just buying vintages and expect to sound brand new is no no. If you still have NAD3020 I still buy from you. :)
I just scored a NAD T765 in great condition for $150. The guy selling it wasn't all that into gear (got it at an estate sale, I think), so didn't want to hook it up and test it, didn't understand how digital inputs work, etc., so he sold it as a "parts" amp. I was able to bring some speakers and a Blu-Ray player with digital outs and give it a look-over. Worked great (at least all the inputs and outputs I personally need), I scooped it up and brought it home, loving it! :D
IMO, any gear >30yrs old or so, maybe 40, it’s all worth parts value only unless known to be restored (recapped, belts, rubber components, pots cleaned deoxit, decks aligned demagnetized)
It’s not only money you save by buying use gear but today’s stereo equipment doesn’t really sound any better than It did 30 to 40 years ago and that’s the sad part of it.
from a local high end shop in the mid 70's bought used mcintosh c-28 preamp, 2105 amp, jbl s2 speakers and thorens turntable. after being in storage for 20 years using the mac's & jbl's. about 25 years ago the jbl's needed the surround replaced, took them to the store (almas hi-fi), got them back in 2 weeks, no charge, jbl paid. the gear still sounds fine, miss the brick & mortar stores we used to have.
Im torn I have a modern av receiver but my deceased dads pioneer like new SX 3800 he bought new 1980ish still at my parents house, I'm a home theater guy so I like my 7 channel surround sound but I like vintage audio so I was thinking setting it on the same shelf's and play his L100s by running it through a splitter switch to use either receiver depending on my mood. And hook his AR turntable through the SX vs now in my Sony through a Pyle phono pre amp which I'm sure degrades the signal where it's cheap. I think the SX is gorgeous with the blue glow and dual db meters
about 3 years ago I got my 1st Tube Amp given to me. THEN for $5 bucks I got a 1955 V/M 11watt mono re-capped I got lucky for $35 with a home size 12" speaker/cab from Hammond M-1 1959 put the two together and I had the PAST COME ALIVE :)
Hi Steve. Greetings from the England. This is a subject close to my heart. I am in my forties and paid retail for decades. I got to a point I could no longer really improve with the money I had available. I then started to buy more used gear from HiFi EMPORIUM in the UK. They have a huge warehouse FULL of anything you could think of. They have literally THOUSANDS of items. I ended up with a £15,000 system that is killer for around £4,500. Plus you can trade in/up on existing gear. I could never find this choice at any shop. Plus I can just take gear to try, as they know me now over the years. It is full of nerd techies who know EVERYTHING and they repair too. Proper service. I will never go back. This cannot be matched on the high street. It I have to drive for 2.5 hrs to get there. Never disappointed as audiophile hallowed ground. You can spend £10 to £100k in there, so the full gamet covered. Keep up the great work Steve. Long live tie-dye.
They do not seem to advertise much. The only issue is they are in Lowestoft in Norfolk. I live in Berkshire, miles away. I swear you will never go anywhere else like it. So glad I made the post as they have totally changed my HiFi life. Where are you based?
Thanks for the video Steve! I got all my equipment used, my Technics AX540 reciever is 20 years old and works/sounds amazing better than my brothers Harman Kardon which hurts my feelings as I love them both, my SL1200 is at least 25 years old and still just givener, and my speaker setup is two sharp towers from the 70s I did install new JL audio speakers in them but tweeters are original, have a big 12" bottom fire subwoofer, two smaller (surround) speakers two 80 watt basic bookshelf speakers and one Bose center speaker and when people hear it they aren't floored even serious audiophiles, I set my room up perfectly with deflector And all that and I get nothing but comments on my less than 1000 dollar setup
I would only consider buying used gear in-person/first person. Locally if possible. Even if from a stranger or a thrift shop, at least you can visually inspect it and (possibly) test it a small amount. Even buying in this way carries risks but it might give the buyer more flexibility in the price actually paid (for those risks). I'm not sure how much I would trust any equipment being sold out of a pawn shop as that stuff (by definition) has been sold or surrendered under duress/distress by the owner (and it might be stolen). Peace.
I've had wonderful service from eBay and Paypal for twenty years. I've had 100% feedback during that time, because I operate by the Golden Rule. More merchants should try it!
One purchased a marantz 4400 quad amp for £100 in superb condition and a pair of chario speakers for £120 in mint condition .my turntable was a super purchase at only £40 in superb condition even had a brand new at cartridge and stylus fitted
I had problems with a used turntable. It’s not easy to pack turntables for shipping. If the seller is not an expert is almost certain that it will not arrive well.
I'd be careful of pawn shops. Often it's equipment someone has had sitting around in their basement or attic and may not be kept in the best conditions. The shop may do repairs, but even then they may be fixing a broken item that isn't guaranteed not to break down again. I'd say the best deals are yard sales, but you have to find someone who truly wants to get rid of the equipment and hasn't been looking at the e-bay dealer prices. I did however find a turntable that someone was throwing out. The speed adjustment was off but after I corrected it the turntable worked fine. I wouldn't buy second hand headphones. It just seems too unsanitary. And I've found the pleather material on old headphones can come off when it gets old. That's one thing I would tend to just buy new. And when buying second hand turntables make sure you check the cartridge. Some old turntables (like BSRs) have ceramic cartridges and some may have a broken or missing needle.
I’ve had a ton of vintage audio equipment over the past 30 years. What you need to know is that just because something is vintage doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s better than something newer. Especially speakers. Although dynamic loudspeakers appear virtually unchanged since first invented, what has improved dramatically are the materials used. I’ve noticed that over the past 10 years vintage audio gear has climbed so much in price that a lot of it is no longer worth the money. It just keeps going up in price just because it’s getting older and people are foolish enough to pay the ridiculous prices. Do a lot of research. Audition properly set up systems with music that you are familiar with. Draw your own conclusions. And most of all if you like how it sounds then that’s all that matters. Enjoy the music.
Steve, I know your sympathies are with the retailer, but the market starts with the consumer. The same hundred dollars invested in new gear would be more likely to produce a life-long audiophile if invested in vintage gear. Yes, one can get burned buying vintage. I speak from experience. And it helps big time to know what you are doing (which is why sharing our experiences is so important). But for the money most inexperienced consumers are will willing to spend on their first audio system, more zeal will be created by a vintage Pioneer or Sansui amp than by Crosley turntables and cheap home theater systems. Some will get bummed out buying vintage - it can't be helped. But some will hear for the first time what a truly high quality system can sound like; and that, my friend, is where the market starts. Audiophilia is a religion of conversion; and if it can't somehow produce conversion experiences at an affordable price, then the industry will die.
I was hoping for tech tips to check when buying. You may not be aware but for example eBay guarantees a return within 30 days and you can opt for a long warranty at extra cost. I understand what you say about friends or relatives but if you buy a $1000 receiver and a capacitor blows on you after a week; it may introduce conflict if they don't want to take it back. I never buy from a friend or relative unless it is such a good deal I will eat the repair cost if it fails, it is not worth the conflict.
I just dig my Realistic STA-2100 receiver,DENON DPF-47 turntable, PIONEER ELITE blue ray player, and AKAI GX_747 Reel to Reel., and CERWIN VEGA DX-7 speakers. I like my dinosaurs
The question about buying a new reciever with the same wattage and tone quality or transparency of an old vintage is that the old will have to be recapped to achieve the tone it once had, or match the tone of the new. What is that cost?
Manufacturers should bring back the 1970's audio system design just like what those shoe manufacturers are bringing back their vintage styles. They have those superior quality design that cannot be match-up by current designers. Let's go!!!!!
Don't worry about it. Just buy anything you can test then plan on restoring it (new caps, replace bad transistors, clean pots, etc). You'll spend some money but you'll be better off than buying anything new unless you're prepared to spend $10k. Hardly any risk if looked at this way.
Just bought a Yamaha R-700 receiver from a collector who reduces his collection over ebay ... hope it's not just a made up story 😅 Anyway, I paid 90€ including shipping for a item that cost back in the day 1000DM ( whats nowadays nearly the same in € ) ... look forward to get it in my hands.
Buy vintage not working. It is not as hard as you think to fix them. Plus for me it's fun and rewarding to chase down what's wrong and fix it, tools aren't expensive other then an oscilloscope (can get used inexpensively, no need for anything to fancy). Can are less about cosmetic issues.
so I have a few pieces of used gear, some of it mine and others left to me by a buddy who left for rehab. (He found himself in deep trouble and I'm so glad he found help. I kept his stuff for years in case he wanted it back, but he's never asked for it.) so now I need this stuff refurbed. I can try it myself, having gotten a degree in electronics technics technology, or I can find a shop to do it. I'm thinking I find some cheaper stuff and get things figured out before I try working on any really high end stuff. Mid range stuff is less dangerous as far as losing my investment. Any idea where to get further info on how to repair this vintage gear?
Yes it is a risk. BUT old audio equpment designers had much better test compred to new Hi-End designers. I was blown away when I listened Lenco L78 turntable with old SME 3009 tonearm in comparison to my Nottingham Analog Spacedack. The same happened when I listened old tube McIntosh MC30 versus to my Plinius 8200. When I started I used brand new audio gear only. Now most my equipment are vintage and DIY. I only use a new DAC.
These are all mid-level guys here , they don't know these models and brands like Pilinius or in name only. Luxman turns out a few McIntosh killers like the 700.
Hi Steve, I looking to buy a pair of Yamaha NS15 VINTAGE from late 60s (1968 i think). There is not alot of information about these speakers and im wonder if you or anyone seeing this comment knows anything about them. I mostly listen to jazz pre 80s and i have heard that 60s speakers will give an authentic and rich sound. Michael Fremer has talked about this too. I am greatly happy if anyone could help me with recommending good 60s speakers to a good price. I have a Pioneer sx 550 stereo reciever and a pioneer turntable from the 70s.
I agree!, if you ask questions, they will hang up or say they are no long selling audio equipment etc lol it cracks me up!!, or they will blame the wife as to why they do what they do, lol🤣🤣 so new is better, in regards to what your saying, I totally agree with you 100% but I have bought used stuff and it was exactly what they said it was, Thank you
Most of my Audio gear was bought from Fleabay. Most of it has stood the test of time. But i did get stung once, Buying an Arcam CD72 CD Player., costing about £200. It arrived, and rather stupidly, i immediately left positive feedback for the seller. Id say within a matter of weeks, the CD player starting distorting when playing CDs. I did contact Arcam about it (suspecting the laser needed replaced.....but they quoted me a flat fee of about £200 to have the machine serviced/repaired. I decided not to bother. For some reason, i have held onto the CD Player. I cant bring myself to bin it. NOW, if i buy anyhting like a CD player etc.....i leave the feedback till the last moment, as it gives me at least 2 months to disocver any issues. If there was an issue in that time, I at least have the threat of leaving negative feedback for the seller.
Why would you give a negative feedback if a piece of vintage audio equipment fails after a few weeks? I can see if it didn't work right after unpacking it. Obviously it worked when the seller packed and shipped it. That's the risk with buying vintage equipment.
Buying used doesn’t necessarily means cheaper. Some of the high-demand vintage gears such as BBC LS35/A speakers, McIntosh MC275, Marantz 7/9 amps, Linn Sondek LP12 turntable, Western Electric gears, etc, can fetch two, three or more times the amount when they were new.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? That's specialty gear for serious audiophiles. And your statement isn't even true. They still make the MC275, and a used one is still much less, like half. And the speaker example isn't true either. Falcon Acoustics makes a current version of that BBC monitor also, and it's more then twice as much as a used pair. As for the last example. Well Jesus H. Christ, of course the Holy Grail of vintage tube audio isn't cheaper then new. It was made almost a century ago when gas was like 4 cents a gallon. Talk about an apples to oranges argument. What are you smoking?
You can always repair stuff you buy, sometimes electrolytic capacitors leak or bulge and the amp will still work but may not sound as good as it used to and resistors can lose there tolerance over time. A good oscilloscope always comes in handy.
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I helped a friend's boss move once. Guy was an aging audiophile. During the move he asked me if I wanted a receiver. The answer to that question is always "YES." He handed me a Pioneer SX-D7000 monster receiver. It was in perfect condition. Happy day.
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Hi Steve, I just replied to someone here and then realised I have never thanked you for all the daily videos you do, they have all been very interesting to me and I am sure lots of others to, so a big thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Hear hear. You are a legend this side of the pond too.
@Nobody's Fault But Mine what was in the collection?
I have been reading his articles for decades. Yes I meant ''legend' of the industry. What is your point? If you do not know how influential Steve has been, do not comment.
David Topchiev The Pioneer SX-1980 can reach up to $6000 on eBay! Retailed for $1295 back in 1978.
One huge benefit of buying vintage is... it doesn't depreciate. In most cases vintage gear only goes up in value whereas new "high end" gear greatly depreciates after just a few years.
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I bought my 1978 Yamaha receiver literally from the back of some shady guy’s pickup truck. 5 years later it’s still going strong. I got lucky.
Vintage is great if your handy, and can make most repairs yourself.
I found changing belts in tape decks, cd players, and turn tables, are pretty easy, for the most part, some exceptions of course, and a good cleaning outside and in are paramount, especially potometers and buttons, oh and bus fuses. In most cases, these are the culprit in equipment that hasn't been through abuse.
I'm 1 for 3 in trying to buy a decent cassette deck on ebay. I'm SO glad one of them worked out, but the other 2 had shipping damage AND/OR mechanical issues.
I've bought, sold & traded vintage gear for almost 20 years, many through eBay & I learned a lot. #1. Try & always buy from someone who deals mainly in reselling vintage gear with great feedback. #2. If you're gonna take a chance on buying a turntable & having it shipped, make sure the seller knows how to pack it correctly & #3. Try not to buy a used Reel to Reel on eBay. I returned 2 before I got one that worked absolutely correctly. Big pain in the ass. I could go on & on, but those are few things I learned during my time. Hope that helps someone.
Steve, so my experience with "Vintage" audio from the 80's and 90's is that parts can be very difficult or impossible to find. Recapping is not so bad, but finding specific MOSFETs and control panel knobs can be virtually impossible. So my suggestion to anyone considering vintage audio is that all the parts are there and listen to the unit if possible. I believe New Jersey Semiconductor may be able to supply some MOSFETs if needed (but you need signal generator and scope to determine that unless you have lots of experience). Capacitors not so bad, but I am finding non polarized capacitors of particular values difficult to find. Suggest "test driving" pre and power amps if you can before you lay your money on the table.
Thank you, Steve for this video presentation, lecture on vintage hi fi equipment. I recently bought a used Sony cassette deck that also has Dolby S; which is why I mainly bought it on ebay. It cannot go in reverse. However, in 2020 I found, and purchased a very good turntable - in my opinion - from ebay, Canadian web site; a harman kardon T25 semi-automatic belt-drive turntable from the 1980s. Phono cartridge works! My favourite era, especially when music is considered. I bought all the measurement tools from Amazon, and the small bubble level gauges from ebay. Checked it out, only little thing is that it has a slightly damaged right rear foot; rubber is a bit torn, and spring a bit bent.
However, I checked the horizontal level by placing the bubble gauges, and it is absolutely level. Before that examination, I adjusted the tracking force with a digital gauge; then finely adjusted the anti-skating mechanism by dialing in the more correct number from a test record for this purpose. It is an Anti-skate test disc. Then I bought a new ATN-71 stylus from Amazon to replace the original stylus that is most likely on an Audio Technica AT-71 cartridge. Everything works very well.
I own tens of thousands of Dollars (MSRP) of Vintage Pioneer, Marantz and Carver/Sunfire (some of it didn't start out vintage, but it is now) and I've never had a minutes trouble out of 95% of it. It takes effort. skill and patience to restore (I studied electronics in the '80s but mostly I'm self-taught) and maintain, but once you shake the bugs out of whatever the widget is, this gear goes ON FOREVER and sounds GREAT. I've replaced a small handful of caps, a boatload of pinch rollers and belts (and they're nasty if they're the ones used in the late '80's early '90's. They liquify after a certain period of time), but that caveat compared to the PERFORMANCE they deliver is really minimal preventive maintenance. I prefer Pioneer and Marantz for the '70's silver period and Carver for the '80s, and Sunfire for the turn of the Century. There are tweaks and mods that will enhance their performance, but they all are (in my experience) rock solid platforms IF (a big one-after the decade of "Ferris Bueller") they haven't been abused. Which apparently did happen on occasion. : - )
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Your right I have Pioneer sx980 with used Heresys around same era I’ve had Pioneer since 80 new and sounds awesome I’ve got Carver 1.5t c-1 preamp from83 and Sunfire is newer 10 all working great
Also still can be fixed by Carver or local places
Cost? But will last to the grave
Newer stuff is junk unless you spend a ton of$
That's been my exact experience, too. Started in 1959 and have heard a ton of gear since then. My brother, with 12 patents assigned to AT&T, helped me to learn a lot about audio.
my entire system was purchased used , have done it that way since early 80s . A person can purchase a new power amp 2-10k$ for example and have it fail 18 months after purchase landing them in the same state as one who bought used for 500-1000$ . Difference being obvious.$$$ There are models and brands that were built stable and reliable , there were great sounding pieces that were less robust in build as well. Years of experimentation has enabled me to have my own list of great and not so great performers. Nelson Pass gear seems to be generally very durable , even the adcom gear he helped with is generally very durable , stable at low impedance .
Be careful if it is being shipped to you .I have had lots of audio equipment arrive damaged...buy beware .i have worked in the ild post office loading trucks.later i worked for UPS claims dept.I know first hand about how packages are handled and packed and shipped.Buy beware.I have bought lots of used equipment.If possible i try and pick up in person.
My G9000 arrived with bended back heatsink
I love my 1981 Pioneer A9 stereo receiver. Weighs 35 pounds and it's mostly due to the heatsinks to cool the output transistors and the big toroidal transformer. I am going to someday perform a tuneup on that precious integrated amplifier with new capacitors and some plastic safe contact cleaner.
I bought a NAD 1000 preamp 15 years ago just to use the phono stage. I was using a Rotel integrated amp and it had no phono and the NAD was actually cheaper than a dedicated phono pre at the time. I see now that funcional NAD 1000's are trading for almost twice what I paid 15 years ago. Today I doubled down and bought a NAD 1600 pre at eBay auction. Only 62 bucks and if it works (it has a remote capability) I can put the 1000 away. Nowadays I run a Naim Unity Atom as the heart of my system and use the NAD pre to hook all the analog components into the Naim's one analog input (CD/Cassette/Phono). I have had good results form NAD. They seem to last a long time. I know people recap them but I prefer just to buy another used and keep going. The rest of my humble system is a NAD 275BEE power amp, B&W 804S speakers, Sony NS9100ES CD/SACD/DVD, Sony single cassette deck, Reg P2 turntable, NAD PP 2i phone preamp.
i bought a monster Technics SA 1000 receiver 330 watts per channel for only $75 in a Tampa thrift store back in the 90s. i didnt even know it was the worlds most powerful receiver until i got it home and looked up the information on it. Sounded awesome and lasted me about a year and it went out on me. Two stereo repair shops couldnt find parts for it so i ended up selling it as is for $50 in the local flyer, but at least i got my moneys worth out of it.
I bought a Pioneer TX8500 Mk2 tuner many years ago , cost £40 .. replaced all the electrolytic caps and the bulbs .. its a sweet sounding FM tuner still working fine :-) if you buy old make sure you can do the work on them
There are lots of great equipment out there, my favorite line of vintage Amp, Sansui, and speakers, etc. There are stores that specialise in audio equipment which have an eBay rating for satisfaction etc. I would say those are perhaps the best sources next to buying from someone you know. Lots of good stuff at the goodwill stores too. Also, some of these equipment require minor servicing to be restored, to a total recap job which could cost $300-500. Still cheaper than buying some of the $2,000-4000 stuff thats new.
When I was younger I lived below a house in a studio apartment for 9 years. The owner became ill and retreated to a nursing home and his friend cleaned out the house. Low and behold I purchased the "Celestion SL6 si Speakers" which sound fantastic in my bedroom on stands. Also I bought his "NAD 7140 receiver and NAD belt driven Turntable". I paid $400 for all four pieces of gear. It sounds especially good in my small room with the speakers 1 foot away from the walls. I have always had excellent luck with used gear especially from thrift stores that don't know what they have on hand and under sell their speakers. I've paid $12 for speakers that retailed for hundreds of dollar's because the thrift store near my home didn't understand at all what they were reselling. Steve thank you for such great daily clips I'm watching them everyday.
As I recall, the tonearm on the ancient Victrola had no balance - it's entire weight rested on the needle. So, my used Technics SL-1401 looks and sounds like a Space Age marvel. Same with the Marantz receiver and big Klipsch speakers. I love all of it. When I was born, audio was an infant, too. We grew up together and now are old pals. Well, audio grew up, but I didn't. Don't want to.
Lot's of Yamaha amplifier that are truly worth the use prices that I'm seeing... after all the years of digital soround sound system crap, it's hard finding the real sound without spending real dollars in today's stereo market. Used is a good alternative solution for us poor folks lol.
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Thanks again! Rock-On until the nabors start complaining... as you know the will. :)
I resemble these remarks! All the vintage components I've bought online have died, except for a 70s Marantz receiver I got on ebay that was serviced first by a fairly reputable seller. The worst part about it is there is hardly anyone who does repairs on this old gear anymore. I cry every day over my NAD 7020e, the sweetest sounding small amp I've ever heard. It's a shame, but except in rare cases I stay away from vintage and settle for new these days.
Time to resurrect some of your vintage components. You may have to do it yourself. Capacitors are the major components to age away. Also some resistors although others may still be good. You can learn a lot, if you have the time, watching Mr. Carlson's Lab and other features on UA-cam. The biggest thing is finding room for a workbench and assembling the tools you will need. And next, and most important, is the learning. Recapped vintage audio can blow your mind and ears.
By an iconic brand that holds value and that can be serviced. Like McIntosh, Audio Research, Krell, Levinson, B&W, Klipsch, KEF...
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I had better luck with an original Nad 3020. I bought one used ten years ago and it served me well sounding wonderful for almost 10 years when it finally blew a power supply cap. Had a tech friend repair it and install several polyprop caps in critical spots... now that's a friend! After parts break in it sounds better than ever. I hope to use it for another ten years.
It depends on the age of the item. I have been repairing amplifiers, pre-amps, receivers, tape decks for 40 years. If the item is 30-40 years ago I can guarantee its got something wrong with it. Just because it works doesn't mean its working as it should. I have never had an amp/receiver in the shop that did not need at least $200 to $500 in parts and labor to bring it back like new performance. If you are OK with the fact that it turns on and kinda works then have at it.
So true. I see a lot of people touting their 40+ year old all original Marantz or Pioneer receivers as having that "warm" sound. Yep, the warmth of that low 60hz hum and reduced frequency range that 40 year old electrolytic capacitors and other old parts create. The romance of finding the not-scratchy spot on the volume control.
Old gear is fantastic when it is properly serviced and restored to design spec. There are a lot of people that don't understand this.
I still have my first "real" stereo I bought back in 1977. No hums, no scratchy sounds, circuit protector still clicks loud and clear when you turn it on. This thing can still shake the whole house and it has never let me down. Sounds just as good as it did when I bought it from a friend of mine who bought it new in 1974. I guess it could "blowup" at any time....but I'll take my chances!!
For Mike Young... I have a Sansui reel to reel from the 1970's that I'd love to have refurbed. How do I contact you for that?
Mike... how do I contact you to refurb my 1970's Sansui reel to reel deck?
The one major thing that you left out Steve, is to be patient! It takes alot of patience, just because you may have missed out on a great deal...relax another will come along if you're patient! The pain and joy of the hunt.
My wife and l moved into a tiny house in April 2021. This always means downsizing. I sold my receivers, Concept 2.0, Sansui G2000, Pioneer SX-650 and, pride and joy, SX-880. I did keep my Pioneer VSX-D1S and my Vector Research VR-7000. Already miss my 880.
Thanks for diving into this topic, Steve. My whole system compromises of vintage high end gear. For a pre I use a Sansui AU-11000, and for my power amplifiers, I use a pair of Kenwood L-07M monoblocks, and a Luxman M-4000. For speakers I use the legendary KEF 104/2’s that I restored. My system sounds so great, I can’t find any other system that I like as much as it. No matter if it’s New, or other vintage gear. I have some short videos showing the gear. Vintage gear is timeless, as long as it’s restored and taken care of. Cheers, Steve!
I saw your video's and read your posts.It does sound excellent. I Bought a Sony TA-E7B and some L-08M. If that doesn't do the trick , I am getting some Sony TA-NR1 Monoblock's. High end vintage is where it's at. Beautiful, rugged for shipping , lasts and sounds better than new ,if it was high end to begin with.(Not some run of the mill receiver) Even those sound pretty damn good.
I would like to find a marz 2385 pioneer 1250 tape deck teac 1700 reel to reel
Caveat emptor. There are a lot of people on fleabay who don't know WTF they're selling and simply post info they found on another listing. I bought and returned a dead Luxman amp (he thought it worked great because the lights came on) but also got a pretty great vintage Denon turntable. Ya never know
Nearly all my gear was bought used. Nearly all of it had an issue or two. Some was expensive to fix, some wasn't.
Still, I saved so much on speakers by going used and auditioning prior to buying that I don't mind the issues I bought too much. It's a hobby. We learn as we go. I might be silly here, but half the fun is in the hunt to me.
NAD 7240PE, Harman Kardon 330C and Magnavox CDB471 (with TDA1541 DAC). Great used finds and my favorite gear, even more so than everything newer I have or had owned. These have “the magic”, whereas my newer gear does not (just not fun by comparison). Listen to these weekly, sit down near field interactive listening and always, always a big smile. Just plain old Infinity SL20 speakers on both (I’ve tried more expensive speakers only to return to these - but admittedly I know they probably are the weakest link in the chain), and Grado SR80e headphones (new not vintage). I can say, after trying various gear for years, this is it, my quest is done. Basic, vintage and pure smiles of audio fun.
I got into the hifi hobby about a year ago. Buying good quality vintage gear from collectors is a great way to get into the hobby. Now I am starting to buy some new gear as well, but the used stuff help me get into the hobby for not a lot of money.
In 2008 I bought a receiver from a good friend (original owner). It had a short (among other issues) and I paid him $30. My fix-it guy restored it for $90. Total cost to me was $120 for a Marantz 2252B receiver. Used it on and off with my Hitachi SR-804. Last year I gave it back to him (free) as he really regretted the sale. What the hell, I had it ten years. Besides I like my SR-804 better. Bought it at tech hifi (West 45th street) on 8-28-1979. Nice video Steve, always fun talkin' audio. Fuhgeddaboudit!
Golf ball formed capacitor ọn a older second hand amplifier is a classic, same for oxidated potentiometers, but some times it's fun to solve those problems and make vintage equipment work again (and great for the environment).
My old receiver has over 2,000 components that can fail anytime causing more time in the shop and another repair bill. Good luck finding replacement parts for a 40-50 year old receiver. I say a prayer every time I push the power button. I’m really thinking about cutting the power cord off and place it in a glass case for my old relic.
I recently bought a vintage Sony SQR Receiver SQR-6650. It's in 8/10 condition but the wood is in 10/10 condition. It turns on and everything I just need to buy those four 2Amp fuses for the back. Just cost me $25 at a thrift store! Worth it!
HI Steve, Enjoy your videos!!!! It is a big risk to buy audio on ebay, but I am one of the lucky people. I always wanted a Pioneer Receiver when I was growing up but never had enough money to buy a Pioneer back then. A few years ago I saw a Pioneer SX-680 in mint condition, the man said everything works perfectly, I looked at all the pictures very carefully and clicked the buy it now button. When I received the Pioneer in the mail I was sure glad I bought it. It is a absolute beauty, not only in looks but sound quality. It does work perfect, and all the light bulbs work. A amazing Pioneer from 1977.
Richard White I had a few of those pioneer units. They are really sweet. One word of caution. The amplifier section uses SKX power modules instead of discreet transistors. The problem with the SKX power modules they don’t manufacture them anymore.
@@rl7487 I have a Pioneer SX-680 . Would that have the SKX Power Modules?
Richard White yes it does. All of those except 880 or 980 or above. Then the 1280 has transistors made by nec no longer in production. The good thing about the modules is that someone on e bay is making replacements using little transistors in a pack as direct replacement
I love your channel,you provide excellent audio advice. I bought several of my vitage equipment from Ebay. Technics SL1900 turntable i put a audio technica vm540eb shell cartridge n stylus,i also bought an Abcom GFA555 amp,Acurus 200 x 3 channel amp by Modial near mint condition.
I still have my Onkyo amp and AR 90 speakers that I bought used in the mid 80’s. I appreciate the years we’ve spent together.
Cool...You are probably due for a recap, at the least!
i have some cyrus amps of that vintage; one day i'll get round to recapping them
A couple of years ago I got lucky and landed a NOS Pioneer SX-D7000 receiver on ebay. It was a childhood dream of mine and it was completely out of my financial reach when new (I was like in 9th grade). The $1,200 that I paid now seemed like peanuts; this was an answered prayer. The receiver came in extremely well packed from Canada. As soon as I broke the seal on the top of the box, out came that amazing "new electronics" smell from the 70's that is only surpassed by new car smell (which, BTW, they're trying to phase out as it's "toxic"). Cosmetically, it was PERFECT. Like I said, NOS and the guy on ebay wasn't lying. In any case, up on the rack it wen't. Hooked it up, plugged it in, and pressed the Power button (no off, just On or StandBy). It lit up in beautiful blue as expected. But as I turned the volume up, it sounded scratchy and the sound quality wasn't quite there. Took it to the regular shop I take my stuff to, and they had to do to a bunch of stuff according to the repair report. Capacitors, cleanup, lubrication, etc . Now, it works perfectly well, but... Point of the story is time pardons no one and no thing, regardless of whether it is sealed in a box and properly warehoused or not. Great used stuff can be had, but it hardly, if ever, is 100% ready out of the box.
No BS from Steve. Lovely lovely advice: smart, kind and full of wisdom. Many of us having the funds (well not in Teresa May's UK). Guy in Birmingham England UK, Bob Griffin from Griffin Audio. Beautiful shop decades ago got me the hi-fi bug. He had paintings in his shop, jazz paintings (in Birmingham that's something very sophisticated). He didn't try to sell me the latest gear just stuff I could afford: he sold me an used Mission cyrus One. Had it serviced. Still great sounding.
I’ve a friend who bought a Pioneer SX850 receiver off eBay for an over inflated price and it was riddled with issues... I’ve spent countless hours rebuilding it for him with good quality parts, he’s in it for way more than it’s worth and now kicking himself because the Linn pre/power combo I had for sale last time he visited was much to his preference sonically. He bought the Linn combo off me and now uses that in his main system with the pioneer being relegated to second system/museum piece duties. These 70s vintage Pioneer units do look cool and when working right, sound pretty decent too... but they have a number of very common issues (not just dried out caps but a LOT of noisy transistors throughout) and when you factor in the cost of buying and fully restoring one, you won’t get great value for money when it comes to sound per pound, despite what a lot of the guys restoring these things in UA-cam videos will tell you. For reliability and sound quality, used high end gear from the 1990s to mid 2000s will likely be your best bet.
Most of my stuff came from Goodwill. There were zero guarantees. The amp I bought for $40 included a tape deck and CD player that were both broken. Replaced that CD player with an SACD player, also from Goodwill.
My turntable is the only part of my system less than 20 years old, it's new. Starting to get worried about the capacitors in the amp and crossover, though it's working great so far!
Steve thank you for the videos. I have been buying used for many years now. Flea markets, goodwill, Craigslist and yes eBay. But with this comes many years of experience on my part. I don’t expect mint and tinker with units or maybe take in for service. I have many systems in place for a fraction of the original cost. It’s a way to enjoy vintage systems that where very good in their day. Each person needs to weigh the pros and cons when buying used.
I have been buying used audio gear my whole life. The one bad experience I had was my own fault. It was a pair of vintage speakers, but I did not test them before buying. I later found the wooofers were not original. Anyway, I parted out the tweeters for the same price as I paid for the speakers, and gave away the cabinets...all good.
3:55 ...Noisy controls are easy to fix. It is an off label use, but LPS-1 by LPS laboratories does a great job. It is available from MCM electronics.
I have a warning that you might find helpful. If you are shopping for amplification from before 1978 or so, you must beware that solid state amp technology was touch and go in that time frame. I know that Japanese receivers and amps from that time period are gorgeous and the workmanship is superb, but transistor amp technology was in its infancy in terms of sound quality, and there was far less quality from the output devices of that period.
Some of the products sound grungy, and some sound congested and lacking life. Listen closely to sibilance from singers and talkers. Does it sound spitty or gritty? Or does it sound sweet and pristine? Does it sound relatively lifeless? There is some variation from that period in this regard, but not enough. There were many products that were marred by nasty transistor problems.These flaws also tend to shrink the stereo image. It will lack depth, focus and it may not extend very far in width.I have found modern economical receivers that are much better sounding, but I have only heard of few of these, but I am comparing to the norm in the 1970's. I know vintage has a mystique, but beware of transistor amp sound quality from before 1978 or so.
A lot of people equate appearance to sound. Have seen this over and over again. they have "trained" themselves to think the early stuff sounds better. "That warm sound" is so often used. This being a combination of early design with reduced sonic capability and further reduced performance due to 40+ year old capacitors and other components that have drifted well out of spec in the old units.
Honestly, the best place for the old gear is in a casual listening environment, after having been properly serviced and restored, even improved, over the original spec.
@@brianthompson1138 I guess my ears are shot then. I have several receivers from the 70s, and almost all of them have their original components intact. I've cleaned and lubed the pots myself, fixed some power switches that had pitted contacts. You know, nothing too serious. All of them sound fantastic to me, and listening music through them gets my feet tapping. I must be "trained" to think it sounds good, even though it really doesn't? I've had contemporary gear too, and that sounded good as well in it's own way. To me, there's not one right way to enjoy music.
In my experience buying equipment which matches is the difficulty. Individual components may sound/work well until put together in your rig. Sometimes it comes down to that 1 elusive component which brings everything together.
Hey Steve, I just picked up a Marantz 2226 receiver that’s in excellent condition. Now I need to match it with some great speakers. Budget 500-1000
About ten years ago, I got a Marantz 2230 off Craigslist. The seller recommended me to a guy who specialized in speakers. I ended up with some Klipsch KG 4.2s and needed to replace one tweeter. I replaced both tweeters and it wasn't expensive. Love the speakers. Upgraded to some Klipsch Cornwall IVs this month. I got the 4.2s for about $350. The guys who delivered the Cornwalls were impressed with the combination of the 4.2s and the 2230. Before the Cornwalls, I tried some JBL 350s. The 4.2s were way better. They fill the room with sound rather than the JBLs needing to be loud. Though both speakers would be keepers.
Thought I would see that Pioneer SX 980 as pictured in opening. That was my route EBAY to purchase a SX 980, hard to find, and did, paid ridiculously $$$$$$$ for shipping, claimed everything worked but some bulbs were out, but wanted to convert all to LED which I did and looks great, did all the usual maintenance and so far so good. Then bought a SX 780 (Yes like the 80 series) on CL and was much better experience, getting to see and hear and take home in car.
I agree with most of that. Personally I buy it because I have the ability to refurbish and repair myself. I don’t think I’d bother if I didn’t as it’s cost prohibitive to get others to do it
Flea markets are a good place to look to. Don't buy anything willy-nilly, but look for the guys who display their gear like a collection, bonus points if they do their own repairs/open it up in front of you and turn it on. Scored a pair of pioneer se-305's from a guy who had them in box and then plugged them in for me and played some music. $20 for mint condition reference headphones and offered money back on all his equipment.
Ich have a Sansui AU317 and a Sansui SR525 both bought used and I have to say that Im really happy with both of the instruments. If anything stops working I just repair it myself. There are plenty of instructions on the internet and some good repairkits out there!
Good video, what I will tell you is if you pay with paypal you are covered if the item is not what it was told to be. I bought a Carver av705x power amp, when I got it and hooked it up one channel was out. I notified the seller and they gave me the option to refund or he s would pay to repair it. Sent it to Carver service, he paid $269 to repair it and I've had it ever since that was in 2003, not too bad.
Been researching Rega for over a year....got lucky and purchased a Hitachi PS-48 from 1976 that is an absolute mint condition. This thing is an absolute beast! Hooked up a Nagaoka MP-110 thru my Vincent Phono preamp and Yahama and I can say the best move I ever made....got lucky on this TT
I've bought gobs of used gear.
Got some killer deals ( they can't call it theft if you have a bill of sale ).
For the most part it's all been happy endings.
Although, my NAD reciever the radio recently quit working. But hey, things wear out and it gave me 6 yrs of good service.
Read no further if you don't want to read a ringing endorsement! My speakers are Zu Soul's. Look 'em up (That's not the endorsement). I have gone through a bunch of receivers over the last five years. I've been lucky enough to find two Sunsui vintage receivers in my building's garbage. One is a Sansui 6500 quad reciever, and the other is a Sansui Seven receiver! Mr. Guttenberg has recommended this type of match specifically, and so has Zu Audio. But before I coincidentally found these two gems I had purchased a Harman Kardon HK 3770. This thing was beautiful looking. It's connectivity was everything a greedy music lover could want! Phono input, DLNA Internet Radio, USB iPod crap, Digital inputs! This thing really sold me! But then I found that Sansui Quad in the garbage, and I tried it, and it sounded better than the HK. OK. Good for me. So I sold the HK and bought a Grado phono cartradge- a really good one. Then I found the Sansui Seven. After spending $350 repairing it, it was indeed a great pairing with my Zu's. Even better than the quad. But after a year, the thing crapped out on me! It reverted to the same problem it had when I found it- no audible R channel, and Static noise when low bass was emphasized. After discussing it with the wife, we decided to buy something new. Something to hold us over for a few years before taking a financial audio plunge (likely the Schiit Ragnarok). I grabbed the Marantz PM5005. And this is the best receiver Ive had yet (This is not yet my ringing endorsement). It is the best so far with clarity, Imaging (although everything Ive auditioned with the Zu Souls image like a mofo), tone, and above all, BASS! Guttenberg has mentioned that vintage equipment can sometimes have muddy bass, and in my experience this has been true. My new integrated amp has such tuneful bass. It's an absolute pleasure to listen to. Also the Marantz is faster than the other amps I've tried. Guttenberg has also talked about the potential hazards of buying vintage equipment in terms of risk VS reward. If you acquire vintage equipment, sooner or later it will cost money to keep it running. In my experience his warning is accurate. So here is my ringing endorsement- Steve Guttenberg knows what he is talking about!
I spent around 2 years, testing different(20-40) floors standing speakers from low to high end amplifiers and receivers. I realized my music feel after 2 years, I didn't focus on the internet reviews because Your taste of music is different from others. I am extremely happy with Klipsch-R28F with Sansui-771 and dali cables. The more you pay the more the better quality of the music is absolutely incorrect from my experience. Try to find your own music taste integration with speakers, amplifiers, cables.
That NAD 2030 was exceptional and mine also and was used for years until I acquired a Quad 22 and 202 sets and modified some components and retained the KT 66s. My speakers were JBLs don't remember the model but had an orange foam front and I preferred the Quad but only just! I see the NAD 2030 on eBay from £175- £750??? Great video and in solid-state the 1970s was a great era!
I own a vintage Harman Kardon A250 Epic amplifier and a matching Harman Kardon T250 Ode tuner both are 1959 in amazing shape. Bought off canuck audio mart so far recommend buying any audio gear from there. Pay quite a bit but I got a good deal, and people that sell on there are audiophiles. :)
Most people that buy these old units plan on servicing them or having them serviced before using them as a daily runner.
Nad 3020 oh yes! I got one from a rubbish bin 10 years ago had it repaired and it still works. The power is amazing. I want another one...
I would say - do not buy used gear, if you can not do fault finding and repair. I do buy old equipment, and in most cases it needs some work done for it to sound great. I do look at exterior, so it is not scratched or otherwise damaged. If soldering and alignment using calibrated instruments is not your thing, buy new.
Buying new HI FI can be risky as well. I have heard a lot of NAD horror stories. I have a couple of older amps that sound wonderful to me. Both are Sony from the 1970's. The Sony TA-F3A and a Sony TA-2650. To me the sound is warm with great clarity. I realize that we all hear sound differently, that said I'm pleased with these amps for me. I enjoy the fact that what sounds good to one person may not sound so good to another. Keep safe everyone.
I had the exact same experience with a used NAD preamp I got on eBay. It was very scratchy and after a little careful cleaning of the controls it worked only nominally better. A couple of years later it is completely dead.
I find that old Sansui is the best reliable vintage stuff you can buy my friend bought a receiver A G 8000 DC PURE POWER that we have rocked out to for years he got it used in the early 80s and its only been worked on a couple of times minor stuff!
I've been a vintage guy for a long time my best tip is to first find a qualified, trustworthy repair shop. When you figure out what piece you want; buy the cheapest turd you can find in that model and have it shipped directly to your shop....then forget about it for 8 months.....then write a giant check.....then be happy for 1 1/2 to 2 decades. Then fix it again.
I have a Pioneer A-616 with B&W vision DS 4 loudspeakers and a Sanyo dcx 4000L with KEF Q300 loudspeakers and both are still going strong
If you can't buy from from friend or relative Ebay, audiogon, and audiomart are really good sources for used/vintage gear. I've scored alot of good gear over the years. I take this approach, don't over pay, lower your expectations, and have a plan in case it needs work. Alot of sellers in this markets are audiophiles and have taken good care of their gear. I haven't bought "new" in years!
I like to buy used "quality" equipment from another "audiophile". One, they usually take good care of their stuff and two, it's better sounding than its predecessors with the bells and whistles... When looking at speakers and receivers, their weight plays an important factor as well....my opinion.
Usually vintage needs restored so buying vintage is fine by me or to people know and want to restore a great sounding device. For people just buying vintages and expect to sound brand new is no no. If you still have NAD3020 I still buy from you. :)
Sorry, I only have a couple of 3080s sitting around not being listened to.
I just scored a NAD T765 in great condition for $150. The guy selling it wasn't all that into gear (got it at an estate sale, I think), so didn't want to hook it up and test it, didn't understand how digital inputs work, etc., so he sold it as a "parts" amp. I was able to bring some speakers and a Blu-Ray player with digital outs and give it a look-over. Worked great (at least all the inputs and outputs I personally need), I scooped it up and brought it home, loving it! :D
IMO, any gear >30yrs old or so, maybe 40, it’s all worth parts value only unless known to be restored (recapped, belts, rubber components, pots cleaned deoxit, decks aligned demagnetized)
It’s not only money you save by buying use gear but today’s stereo equipment doesn’t really sound any better than It did 30 to 40 years ago and that’s the sad part of it.
from a local high end shop in the mid 70's bought used mcintosh c-28 preamp, 2105 amp, jbl s2 speakers and thorens turntable. after being in storage for 20 years using the mac's & jbl's. about 25 years ago the jbl's needed the surround replaced, took them to the store (almas hi-fi), got them back in 2 weeks, no charge, jbl paid. the gear still sounds fine, miss the brick & mortar stores we used to have.
Im torn I have a modern av receiver but my deceased dads pioneer like new SX 3800 he bought new 1980ish still at my parents house, I'm a home theater guy so I like my 7 channel surround sound but I like vintage audio so I was thinking setting it on the same shelf's and play his L100s by running it through a splitter switch to use either receiver depending on my mood. And hook his AR turntable through the SX vs now in my Sony through a Pyle phono pre amp which I'm sure degrades the signal where it's cheap. I think the SX is gorgeous with the blue glow and dual db meters
about 3 years ago I got my 1st Tube Amp given to me.
THEN for $5 bucks I got a 1955 V/M 11watt mono re-capped
I got lucky for $35 with a home size 12" speaker/cab from Hammond M-1 1959
put the two together and I had the PAST COME ALIVE :)
I have 2 amp plus speakers now and 3 more of the same amps in various degrees of rebuild.
Hi Steve. Greetings from the England. This is a subject close to my heart. I am in my forties and paid retail for decades. I got to a point I could no longer really improve with the money I had available. I then started to buy more used gear from HiFi EMPORIUM in the UK. They have a huge warehouse FULL of anything you could think of. They have literally THOUSANDS of items. I ended up with a £15,000 system that is killer for around £4,500. Plus you can trade in/up on existing gear. I could never find this choice at any shop. Plus I can just take gear to try, as they know me now over the years. It is full of nerd techies who know EVERYTHING and they repair too. Proper service. I will never go back. This cannot be matched on the high street. It I have to drive for 2.5 hrs to get there. Never disappointed as audiophile hallowed ground. You can spend £10 to £100k in there, so the full gamet covered.
Keep up the great work Steve. Long live tie-dye.
wow I am also in the UK never knew about this place, I must give it a visit thanks
They do not seem to advertise much. The only issue is they are in Lowestoft in Norfolk. I live in Berkshire, miles away. I swear you will never go anywhere else like it. So glad I made the post as they have totally changed my HiFi life. Where are you based?
Please note I mean HiFi EMPORIUM NOT HANGER. This is another one I have used but tiny in comparison. Sorry. My old grey stuff letting me down. 😊
A bit further away I am in North West London, but I will keep the details as may visit Norfolk for holidays etc. Thanks for the information.
I need a store like this in my life!
Thanks for the video Steve! I got all my equipment used, my Technics AX540 reciever is 20 years old and works/sounds amazing better than my brothers Harman Kardon which hurts my feelings as I love them both, my SL1200 is at least 25 years old and still just givener, and my speaker setup is two sharp towers from the 70s I did install new JL audio speakers in them but tweeters are original, have a big 12" bottom fire subwoofer, two smaller (surround) speakers two 80 watt basic bookshelf speakers and one Bose center speaker and when people hear it they aren't floored even serious audiophiles, I set my room up perfectly with deflector And all that and I get nothing but comments on my less than 1000 dollar setup
I would only consider buying used gear in-person/first person. Locally if possible. Even if from a stranger or a thrift shop, at least you can visually inspect it and (possibly) test it a small amount. Even buying in this way carries risks but it might give the buyer more flexibility in the price actually paid (for those risks).
I'm not sure how much I would trust any equipment being sold out of a pawn shop as that stuff (by definition) has been sold or surrendered under duress/distress by the owner (and it might be stolen). Peace.
I disagree about ebay, you can always send it back, ebay and paypal are really good from the buyer's perspective
I've had wonderful service from eBay and Paypal for twenty years. I've had 100% feedback during that time, because I operate by the Golden Rule. More merchants should try it!
One purchased a marantz 4400 quad amp for £100 in superb condition and a pair of chario speakers for £120 in mint condition .my turntable was a super purchase at only £40 in superb condition even had a brand new at cartridge and stylus fitted
I had problems with a used turntable. It’s not easy to pack turntables for shipping. If the seller is not an expert is almost certain that it will not arrive well.
Andrés Arcos Yes don't but turntables on ebay...if you do then buy one were you can pick it up in person.
Even if the person knows how to pack right. I still wouldn't buy one to have shipped to me. It rarely ends well.
I'd be careful of pawn shops. Often it's equipment someone has had sitting around in their basement or attic and may not be kept in the best conditions. The shop may do repairs, but even then they may be fixing a broken item that isn't guaranteed not to break down again.
I'd say the best deals are yard sales, but you have to find someone who truly wants to get rid of the equipment and hasn't been looking at the e-bay dealer prices. I did however find a turntable that someone was throwing out. The speed adjustment was off but after I corrected it the turntable worked fine.
I wouldn't buy second hand headphones. It just seems too unsanitary. And I've found the pleather material on old headphones can come off when it gets old. That's one thing I would tend to just buy new.
And when buying second hand turntables make sure you check the cartridge. Some old turntables (like BSRs) have ceramic cartridges and some may have a broken or missing needle.
I’ve had a ton of vintage audio equipment over the past 30 years. What you need to know is that just because something is vintage doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s better than something newer. Especially speakers. Although dynamic loudspeakers appear virtually unchanged since first invented, what has improved dramatically are the materials used. I’ve noticed that over the past 10 years vintage audio gear has climbed so much in price that a lot of it is no longer worth the money. It just keeps going up in price just because it’s getting older and people are foolish enough to pay the ridiculous prices. Do a lot of research. Audition properly set up systems with music that you are familiar with. Draw your own conclusions. And most of all if you like how it sounds then that’s all that matters. Enjoy the music.
Well as long they are ethical enough, good enough.
Steve, I know your sympathies are with the retailer, but the market starts with the consumer. The same hundred dollars invested in new gear would be more likely to produce a life-long audiophile if invested in vintage gear. Yes, one can get burned buying vintage. I speak from experience. And it helps big time to know what you are doing (which is why sharing our experiences is so important). But for the money most inexperienced consumers are will willing to spend on their first audio system, more zeal will be created by a vintage Pioneer or Sansui amp than by Crosley turntables and cheap home theater systems. Some will get bummed out buying vintage - it can't be helped. But some will hear for the first time what a truly high quality system can sound like; and that, my friend, is where the market starts. Audiophilia is a religion of conversion; and if it can't somehow produce conversion experiences at an affordable price, then the industry will die.
Never implied that he was.
I was hoping for tech tips to check when buying. You may not be aware but for example eBay guarantees a return within 30 days and you can opt for a long warranty at extra cost. I understand what you say about friends or relatives but if you buy a $1000 receiver and a capacitor blows on you after a week; it may introduce conflict if they don't want to take it back. I never buy from a friend or relative unless it is such a good deal I will eat the repair cost if it fails, it is not worth the conflict.
I just dig my Realistic STA-2100 receiver,DENON DPF-47 turntable, PIONEER ELITE blue ray player, and AKAI GX_747 Reel to Reel., and CERWIN VEGA DX-7 speakers. I like my dinosaurs
The question about buying a new reciever with the same wattage and tone quality or transparency of an old vintage is that the old will have to be recapped to achieve the tone it once had, or match the tone of the new.
What is that cost?
Manufacturers should bring back the 1970's audio system design just like what those shoe manufacturers are bringing back their vintage styles. They have those superior quality design that cannot be match-up by current designers. Let's go!!!!!
Don't worry about it. Just buy anything you can test then plan on restoring it (new caps, replace bad transistors, clean pots, etc). You'll spend some money but you'll be better off than buying anything new unless you're prepared to spend $10k. Hardly any risk if looked at this way.
Just bought a Yamaha R-700 receiver from a collector who reduces his collection over ebay ... hope it's not just a made up story 😅
Anyway, I paid 90€ including shipping for a item that cost back in the day 1000DM ( whats nowadays nearly the same in € ) ... look forward to get it in my hands.
Buy vintage not working. It is not as hard as you think to fix them. Plus for me it's fun and rewarding to chase down what's wrong and fix it, tools aren't expensive other then an oscilloscope (can get used inexpensively, no need for anything to fancy). Can are less about cosmetic issues.
I'm glad about all the happy people who comment below, but I think Steve is right in that buying a used anything is rolling the dice.
so I have a few pieces of used gear, some of it mine and others left to me by a buddy who left for rehab. (He found himself in deep trouble and I'm so glad he found help. I kept his stuff for years in case he wanted it back, but he's never asked for it.) so now I need this stuff refurbed. I can try it myself, having gotten a degree in electronics technics technology, or I can find a shop to do it. I'm thinking I find some cheaper stuff and get things figured out before I try working on any really high end stuff. Mid range stuff is less dangerous as far as losing my investment. Any idea where to get further info on how to repair this vintage gear?
Yes it is a risk.
BUT old audio equpment designers had much better test compred to new Hi-End designers.
I was blown away when I listened Lenco L78 turntable with old SME 3009 tonearm in comparison to my Nottingham Analog Spacedack.
The same happened when I listened old tube McIntosh MC30 versus to my Plinius 8200.
When I started I used brand new audio gear only. Now most my equipment are vintage and DIY. I only use a new DAC.
A great case in point. An 8200 is a serious Integrated.
These are all mid-level guys here , they don't know these models and brands like Pilinius or in name only. Luxman turns out a few McIntosh killers like the 700.
Man, I kinda miss those big-ass receivers with VU meters and tone controls with selected frequencies.
Hi Steve,
I looking to buy a pair of Yamaha NS15 VINTAGE from late 60s (1968 i think). There is not alot of information about these speakers and im wonder if you or anyone seeing this comment knows anything about them. I mostly listen to jazz pre 80s and i have heard that 60s speakers will give an authentic and rich sound. Michael Fremer has talked about this too.
I am greatly happy if anyone could help me with recommending good 60s speakers to a good price. I have a Pioneer sx 550 stereo reciever and a pioneer turntable from the 70s.
I agree!, if you ask questions, they will hang up or say they are no long selling audio equipment etc lol it cracks me up!!, or they will blame the wife as to why they do what they do, lol🤣🤣 so new is better, in regards to what your saying, I totally agree with you 100% but I have bought used stuff and it was exactly what they said it was, Thank you
Most of my Audio gear was bought from Fleabay. Most of it has stood the test of time. But i did get stung once, Buying an Arcam CD72 CD Player., costing about £200. It arrived, and rather stupidly, i immediately left positive feedback for the seller. Id say within a matter of weeks, the CD player starting distorting when playing CDs. I did contact Arcam about it (suspecting the laser needed replaced.....but they quoted me a flat fee of about £200 to have the machine serviced/repaired. I decided not to bother. For some reason, i have held onto the CD Player. I cant bring myself to bin it.
NOW, if i buy anyhting like a CD player etc.....i leave the feedback till the last moment, as it gives me at least 2 months to disocver any issues. If there was an issue in that time, I at least have the threat of leaving negative feedback for the seller.
Why would you give a negative feedback if a piece of vintage audio equipment fails after a few weeks? I can see if it didn't work right after unpacking it. Obviously it worked when the seller packed and shipped it. That's the risk with buying vintage equipment.
Buying used doesn’t necessarily means cheaper. Some of the high-demand vintage gears such as BBC LS35/A speakers, McIntosh MC275, Marantz 7/9 amps, Linn Sondek LP12 turntable, Western Electric gears, etc, can fetch two, three or more times the amount when they were new.
You're so right.
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? That's specialty gear for serious audiophiles. And your statement isn't even true. They still make the MC275, and a used one is still much less, like half. And the speaker example isn't true either. Falcon Acoustics makes a current version of that BBC monitor also, and it's more then twice as much as a used pair. As for the last example. Well Jesus H. Christ, of course the Holy Grail of vintage tube audio isn't cheaper then new. It was made almost a century ago when gas was like 4 cents a gallon. Talk about an apples to oranges argument. What are you smoking?
Steve Guttenberg Audiophiliac No he's not Steve, and you know this. At least I know what you're smoking though. smh
You can always repair stuff you buy, sometimes electrolytic capacitors leak or bulge and the amp will still work but may not sound as good as it used to and resistors can lose there tolerance over time. A good oscilloscope always comes in handy.