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This technology 70-80X, active protection Barrier (complex Rain USSR). It was abandoned in favor of the Standard complex (ancestor of Afganit), as a consequence of the complexity and General inefficiency of the Rain complex. It is not able to reliably intercept projectiles, Turkey has already had problems with this. ERA Knife was also based on the project of the USSR, which was recognized as untenable as a result of the large mass, not manufacturability, unstable operation when hit to the edge of the module, the probability of chain detonation of modules with damage to the equipment. Yes it works... but too random. It is expensive and does not provide reliable protection. In addition, the T-64 does not have a mass reserve for the installation of such systems, and the T-80 is too small and they need major repairs, and there are no spare parts, the use of artisanal substitutes and parts of the T-64 reduces all the advantages to zero. п.с. Oh, Yes, I have not yet talked about the simply terrible quality of "repaired" armored vehicles from Ukraine.
Matsimus needs to go back to school and learn how to make articulate, concise, interesting and enjoyable content in a short video. Either that or watch and learn from more Red Effect.
@@glosteradv mini ERA to stop small arms fire and shrapnel from puncturing the plate vest. The soldier would be a walking Flashbang tree and may possibly blind and deafen said soldier not to mention the force of those mini ERA. But when Power Armor suits are mass produced then maybe I will call you for ideas.
Others: we will apply active protection systems to our tanks. Also others: what is Ukraine doing? Ukraine: *"sweating & heavy breathing"* I'm making the most effective ERA for my tank and it's thicc!
I read what 'Ukraine' said in the same way that Tim Curry said all this: ua-cam.com/video/g1Sq1Nr58hM/v-deo.html and I recommend for you to do that too.
Make video reviews of characteristic of tanks and how they are applied in modern tanks holistically. Example topics: - gun depression. - Pneumatic Suspension etc.
Europe is pretty flat in term of terrain thus little gun depression doesn't affect it greatly Meanwhile island nation like japan thay have wild uneven terrain need lots of depression and pneuomatic suspension
The ERA is quite clever. I always thought of it as a defense against HEAT rounds and ATGMs. But to visually see its effects against sabot rounds puts this in a whole different perspective for me.
@Sepher Agon because the TOW in this moment hit the frontal plate o T-90. Anti-tank missiles are more effective hitting sides or top armour, like hellfire do.
@Zorica Tasic Google won't help you translating many words from Slavic languages, it's all context dependent :) In this situation zaslon(заслон) means curtain, or cover.
Much of the old Soviet high tech industry was located in Ukraine, famous “Russian” items such as the Antonov 225 and those MD-180 rocket engines were made in Ukraine…
@@aker1993 Russia’s invasion of Ukraine could be the best thing to happen to the Ukrainian Defense Industry since independence, whatever survives will have all the money it needs, with combat tested products to offer like the Stugna-P and Nozh…
"Historically accurate vehicles" yea but the physic went we ram each other at high speed could make us go flying and literally floating in the air i have seen it
The BM Oplot is a badass tank and probably one of my favorite eastern designs. I always like the interesting derivatives that other nations build on top of old Russian designs, just goes to show how timeless the basis is. The T-72M4CZ, BM Oplot, and PT-17 (polish heavily upgraded PT-91 Twardy concept tank) are some of the sexiest modifications of the T-72/T-80 I've ever seen.
Good for Ukraine. I have a hunch they'll take off economically and develop well in general, once the fighting stops AND (if) they manage to curb corruption.
@@229masterchief Hm.. wouldn't be too sure about that. Seems Ukraine today is more promising than before Maidan, so let's be open to being positively surprised by them.
@ScarletDespair The collapse of the USSR affected Ukraine to far greater extent than those countries. I mean the Maidan wasn't the first revolution Modern Ukraine went through. Though Zelensky may be able to make a significant difference, hopefully.
Sadly, no. New regime is famously inept and corrupt. Government is promoting neo nacism. Power balance is shattered and private militias hold too much power even compared to Ukrainian military. It is destined to be a backwater for decades to come, because it cannot forget and forgive recent events.
too corrupt, the regime holds onto power through warmongering. I wouldnt believe any adverts on Ukrainian equipment, because even if it worked, without relying on soviet era technologies, they went nowhere. Equipment might not arrive in functional state/replaced with used. Too many rich ex-commies and too many very poor who fled the country or listen to nazi religion that makes them look away from corruption. Murrica made 2 coups in 10 years (2004/14) they only replaced one bunch of thieves with another, nazi and 'pro-western'. Because their identity is based on hatred of Russians. They however hate everybody, the nazis. To curb corruption there would probably require something like a military dictatorship. The nazis are corrupt and would like absolute power too. Oligarchs own the media, so youd need someone to concentrate power away from the magnates back to the king, or central govt/parliament whatever there would be. Parliament implies bribery, so it isnt immune to corruption. Without a strong hand like say Putin in Russia, Ukraine cant get up because the oligarchs serve only their own interest. There is an exodus going on in Ukraine. And US started in all, Vicki Nudelman/Nuland, rotten John Mccain et al.
It did, T-84 hasn't seen much action obviously its a rare tank. Any tank is vulnerable if it has no infantry support, attacked by drones or top attack.
Don't forget the OFL F1 goes back to 1994, today France today use OFLE F1B and OFLE F1 in the Leclerc (created in 2011 and 2013), which have undoubtly better penetration even if the data are classified.
@@RadecKZHF Its not back, it still says that the counter notification is under review, for some people it can take months for the issue to be resolved, it is funny because YT said it will take 10 days, but reading about it on the internet, it usually takes from 1 to 5 months for YT to manually review the claim.
Red, can please you talk about how different ERA blocks hold up to machine guns and autocannons? How effective would it be to spray the whole tank in small caliber weapon fire or HE from tank guns to destroy ERA or primarily optics and sensors? How far away you need to be as a person to be safe from a tank that has ERA on it? How does ERA explosion affect the tank's own external modules like gun barrels, optics and sensors? For example the Ukrainian ERA, you talked about, can it damage the gun?
Gee, modern tanks are going to develop weapons that fire two projectiles in one shot. one to defeat the era. Don't think anyone wants to build laser tanks. once you go laser you can't go back
@@zed9095 No, you do not need an emp. You need a "barrel" consisting in a set of two rails being made of supra conductors and a potent battery able to discharge a huge amount of energy in a very short time in order to accelerate the projectile up to between 5000 and 7000 meters per second. The biggest roadblock with this technology lies in the battery. Currently the power unit firing those guns are too big to be installed into a 60/70 tons class tank... it would only fit in a tank of the 130-180 tons class... so its a weapon that we will not see being fitted to tanks until a huge leap in batteries miniaturization has been done. However these guns are already being used on some military vessels... that being said, next generation of tank guns being 130 and 140 mm will render even current active protection system obsolete... since the projectile without the sabot will weight between 12 and 15 kg, be more than one meter long, segmented and break the 2000 m/s barrier with a RHAe perforation being estimated between 1200 and 1500mm.... Nothing will stop it and armor will become redundant once and for all. Tanks of the 5th generation would be unmanned drones with just a big gun. Upcoming 4th generation of tanks will be the last one to be manned by humans and this generation will not last more than 2 decades before we see the frist drone tank. Probably powered by electric engine sporting 140 or 150 mm gun on a light chassis probably weighting less than 30 tons.
I appreciate very much, how, in contrast to probably most other narrators, commentators, & presenters, RedEffect's attitude is modest, emphasizing info & logic, not attitude.
It's interesting to see Ukraine invest a lot more heavily into mechanized warfare design vs Western tanks which are increasingly (after Cold War) focused on countering infantry. I guess it's because of the proximity to Russia.
This technology 70-80X, active protection Barrier (complex Rain USSR). It was abandoned in favor of the Standard complex (ancestor of Afganit), as a consequence of the complexity and General inefficiency of the Rain complex. It is not able to reliably intercept projectiles, Turkey has already had problems with this. ERA Knife was also based on the project of the USSR, which was recognized as untenable as a result of the large mass, not manufacturability, unstable operation when hit to the edge of the module, the probability of chain detonation of modules with damage to the equipment. Yes it works... but too random. It is expensive and does not provide reliable protection. In addition, the T-64 does not have a mass reserve for the installation of such systems, and the T-80 is too small and they need major repairs, and there are no spare parts, the use of artisanal substitutes and parts of the T-64 reduces all the advantages to zero. п.с. Oh, Yes, I have not yet talked about the simply terrible quality of "repaired" armored vehicles from Ukraine.
1. Nozh/Knife was never based on a soviet tech and it has no issues with mass detonation + Nozh blocks have 2 times less explosives than Reliks for instance. 2. Afganit was never field tested, so no one is sure about its effectiveness. 3. Turkey never reported any issues with their APS. 4. Nozh ERA is a reliable protection, field tested, patented and licenced for mass production within the NATO block countries unlike many Russian systems.
@@sdrkrm "Knife" - a modular complex of dynamic protection of the third generation for tanks of Ukrainian production, developed in 1997-1998, this approach dates back to the experiments of 1964-72 years in the research Institute of Steel of the USSR, when it was considered as promising, but was later replaced by the now traditional scheme with throwing flat armor plate. A workable complex that implements this principle was adopted only decades later, thanks to the use of the latest technologies in the manufacture of explosives and calculations in the field of optimizing the geometry of the charge profile and their mutual location, which provides for the formation of flat cumulative jets with optimal parameters for countering anti-tank weapons. It was adopted by the armed forces of Ukraine in 2003; production is organized at several Kiev enterprises and at the 107th plant DZRHI (Donetsk), after the armed coup in Kiev in 2014 uses only imported (US) materials. Received a mixed assessment among experts, for example: the high losses of T-64M "Bulat" tanks of the Ukrainian armed forces during the fighting in the South-East of Ukraine is associated with the low efficiency and disadvantages (chain detonation) of the dynamic protection "Knife"against outdated ATGM. Doubts about the effectiveness of the dynamic principle on which the protection "knife" is built have been repeatedly expressed by experts at various levels. As the main drawback point to the low efficiency, excess weight, irrational use of explosion energy and low efficiency of impact on the armor-piercing core, which even when divided into parts retains a high penetration capacity. It is also noted that the dynamic protection "Knife" has some advantages over the Soviet system "Contact-5" only due to a much larger amount of explosive (from 1.5 to 2.5 kg compared to 0.5 kg in "Contact-5"). In this case, increasing the power of the explosive charge has an undesirable side effect in the form of significant dynamic loads on neighboring protection modules and nodes of the carrier tank, which requires a General increase in the strength and weight of the entire tank structure as a whole. This criticism is subject to reasoned doubts. Since, as stated, the specialists of the research Institute "Steel", as representing a direct competitor interested parties, distorted information about the DZ"Knife". On the one hand, in their articles they several times overestimated the mass of the explosive used in the DZ "Knife". On the other hand, using mathematical models that are not related to the principle of operation of the dz "Knife".
@@sdrkrm KAZ "Drozd-2" or "Standard", was used on the prototype Ob.195. "Drozd" also serially (hundreds of sets) was installed on the T-55AD in the 80s as part of the program of modernization of tanks.
Once again - NII Stali never developed or prototyped Nozh or its principles. If yes please provide the prototype's name. Because if you're reffering to Gofr ERA it has nothing similar with Nozh. And stop quoting idiots - 1 Nozh ERA module has only 300 grams max of explosive materials. "In one module in the TNT equivalent of 200 g for hschkv-19 and 300 g for hschkv-34. If we compare it with “Contact-5”, in which the 4C22 module contains 330 g, and there are two modules in the DZ container, then the Knife DZ with one module in the container contains 3.3 or 2.2 times less explosives. For DZ "Relict" 2 × 240 = 480 g for 4C23 modules or 2 × 140 = 280 g for 4C24, i.e. the mass of the “Knife” explosive is 1.6-2.4 times less (4C23) or comparable (4C24)." btvt.info/3attackdefensemobility/bulat_dz.htm
@@sdrkrm All need to know: T-64BM Bulat lost 18, and a total of 176 tanks, not counting other armored vehicles. From the East, 4 (!) T-72B3 and up to 80 other tanks of obsolete types were lost. T-64BM Bulat was withdrawn from the conflict zone, T-84 Oplot did not participate in the battle at all (it is clear why). The T-84 was almost the last in the European tank challenge (only the USA performed worse). As a result of inappropriate technical condition. The modernized T-64Ms are much better in many respects, although these are museum exhibits with an unsuccessful engine and absolutely not enough protection (the “Knife” is better than Contact-1, but ...), apart from the dangerous ammunition located, it’s even worse than on the T-72.
Going forward, I think design flaws will be rectified on subsequent projects. Much respect from Iran, by the way - love Ukraine and KIND OF wish it was you guys and not russia that was our strategic partner.
@@qarmatianwarhorse6028 You can't actually realise how much we want it, and how many of our nation wants to help end this war in your country and every other in Middle East
@@Bud9989 Trust me when I say this - no true Iranian likes russia. Even though at present russia doesn't really threaten our territorial sovereignty like it does with Ukraine in Donbass, we are disgusted with their double-dealing and treachery (see S-300 delivery saga). Perhaps one day, our time will come and we can slay this beast together. Stay strong and Slava Ukraini!
@@Bud9989 Returning to this comment in these terrible times. Hope you still live and are fighting back the aggressors ferociously. May Ukraine emerge victorious. Come out alive if you can, friend.
correction tungsten and DU are much denser and harder materials however because they are so hard they are very brittle and any force applied to the projectile can cause it to snap which is how heavy ERA works by effectively snapping the rod and decreasing the penetration.
I doubt that the projectile being snapped affects its penetration significatively. Afterall, its kinetic energy stays fairly constant after the fracture, plus, the losses due to the projectile "impacting itself" after the initial impact might be mostly unimportant, since the projectile already degrades pretty easily once it impacts the armor, hence there's not enough time for this losses to be happen (plus these fractures are VERY small, leaking very little energy). When it comes to kinetic penetrators, the only feasible way that ERA can affect its penetration noticeably is by redirecting them to travel as paralel to the armor as possible, so that the speed on the axis normal to the armor is as small as possible, and so the material gets a chance for its own (normal) force to fully redirect it away from itself. Alternatively, bending the projectile is viable too, since it also disrupts its trajectory towards a convenient path. Longstory short, it's probably more about how the explosion's force deflects and deforms the projectile rather than the fractures said explosion may cause.
@@Pao234_ well the rod snapping or deforming absolutely effects penetration if it actually snaps you have less rod to penetrate regardless of its velocity which means less penetration. APFSDS rod length is important for overall pentation which is why modern APFSDS rods are rather long to get the most penetration. Deforming(which is more likely) changes the impact angle and can cause the projectile to yaw which puts more stress on the projectile and causes it to either travel through more material and degrade faster or not hit straight and true.
@@nemisous83 No, if the rod snaps that *only* means that the rod split in two or more parts, however there's no loss of mass in the fracture itself. It's only a discontinuity in the material of the initial object. As i said previously, ERA is most effective against APFSDS when the angle is "lenient" enough so that the explosion can deviate the projectile and reduce its velocity towards the armor. If this sounds a little confusing, imagine a wall, now move your pov to be directly above the wall and looking down to it. Now imagine a projectile going horizontally to the plane and diagonal to said wall. If the wall had blocks of ERA protecting it, the explosion would make the projectile go more paralel and less perpendicular to the wall, this means that it would reduce its velocity towards the wall, so the projectile transfers less energy in the impact
@@nemisous83 And also, velocity is the most important, since the kinetic energy of an object increases proportional to the square of its speed. Basically, a 1kg projectile going 1m/s has 25 times less energy than the same projectile going 5m/s. When it comes to APFSDS all that matters is kinetic energy and its conservation, and of course reducing (air) drag by making it loooong and thin is a pretty good idea. Also of course, a long penetration is much better than a thick penetration of the same volume, thats important too
@@Pao234_ velocity is one factor but its not the only factor in APFSDS penetration. if that was the case DM63 would have more penetration than M829A4 because its traveling 150m/s faster however the overall length of the rod is almost 300mm shorter. if you plug both rounds into any APFSDS calculator the M829A4 always has more penetration. this is also why M900 has more penetration than Bm-36(115mm) despite having a slower muzzle velocity.
If you want to play a tank game, don't bother with war thunder. In the mid to higher tiers, usually a plane or a helicopter destroys your tank without you even realising where they are. I am not sure how Gaijin thinks that is fun.
8:24 - surprised to see the frag jacket is semi-perforated on the outside: I read many yrs ago that 'pineapple' grenades had it wrong, that if their fragments are inscribed on the inside, then the frag effect is much more reliable.
If a 125-мм projectile flies into the tank, small fragments from the ERA will not make the situation much worse. Everyone who is on that side of hit will still receive damage. On the contrary, "Knife" shows a much lower tendency to react to small impacts and, unlike Kontakt-1, does not react to fragments from mortar shells
Thanks so much for all the information on ERA; I used to think it was just for atgms and couldn't do much against kinetic energy penetrators, but wow, 80% reduction is amazing. With composite base armor, era, and hardkill APS, wtf is going to be able to kill them? Gonna have to resort to molotov cocktails again :0
I find information that without ERA turret is rated as 800mm (against kinetic) and hull has 600-650 That's damn very impresive comsidering most modern abrams m1a2c has turret 800mm against kinetic but without ERA
Main issue with tanks is that once mobility is robbed, crew are done for. Maximum 2-3 days, they can persist inside but afterwards, they'll be forced to ditch. When that happens, infrastructure is lost and personnel are at risk of death or captivity. Imo, too much focus is put on physical penetration of armour when it comes to tank warfare doctrine. There have to some reliable methods to do as I proposed above.
Any idea how well reactive armor would reduce effect of a 500lb laser guided bomb dropped from 15,000 feet at 500mph? I'm pretty sure the results would be the same no matter what type of tank is hit. Might not create penetrating projectiles, but the blast would surly incapacitate the crew, wouldn't it? Just curious. Excellent video by the way!
@@TheNicestPig I hope you understand the they use multiply layers of ERA, so it should be capabil of resist multiple hit on the same spot but the anti protective capability would be less because there is only one layer left in the worst case.
@@Tankliker an APFSDS flying through would probably trigger all of them at the same time, and it'd probably take all of em to actually stop a modern APFSDS
@@TheNicestPig the question is just how modern the APFSDS is, old one with steel rods would be no thread but are the first ones with DU or Tungstenrods at least a small thread to the vehicle.
ERA Knife was also based on the project of the USSR, which was recognized as untenable as a result of the large mass, not manufacturability, unstable operation when hit to the edge of the module, the probability of chain detonation of modules with damage to the equipment. Yes it works... but too random. It is expensive and does not provide reliable protection.
i mean strv 122b plss is 11.3 and its best round is dm33, and oplots is 3bm44 which is better, so 11.3 for oplot is acceptable, bcs it has a lot of armour
0:24 czech flag on that helicopter 🇨🇿❤️ Greetings from czech republic! I would dowland war thunder if I had enough space on computer 😂, I play world of tanks and it take too much space xd
Greetings from Ukraine! Too bad Oplot didn't make it to our own armored forces. By now we only modernize T-64 to BV (2017) with thermal imaging and ERA Nozh. Field report said Nozh saved tanks and crews in dire situation for numerous times.
I guess friendly infantry units should probably stay far away from these tank. Once the tank is taking hits, all those ERA going off are gonna literally shredding anybody standing near it.
Unless it's being shot at with apfsds which is actually the rarest threat for a tank to encounter on the modern battlefield the shrapnel from the shaped charge would already be deadly regardless of era however it would certainly not help
I'm sure they used a butt load of Nokia's for armor protection. And from Ukraine of all the places, I wonder if It can out do the Russians Armada? Hell maybe the Abrams or the leppord?
@@andrewwoodhead3141 lol T-14 is not so top secret as you think its a simple google search and matching with different searches to learn about it but you clearly wouldn't bother going that far.
@@komradematt8025 Ok , so my last comment failed to update. Let me explain this to you as if I were talking to a child . Not everything on google is true. In the case of Russian weapons systems,.. guess what ? What is publicly available is what the Russian military makes publicly available. You don't think they publish the exact and real performance of their latest AA missiles, do you ? I hope you are not THAT gullible. Good. So why do you imagine that they publish the true performance of their latest tank ?! They don't. Look, we've been here before, it's not new. You don't remember the eighties, I assume,.. when every new Russian weapon system was so superior to what we had. Tanks ? T80 ! we never had a hope against it. What a load of Bollocks that turned out to be . It was ALL junk. The Russian Lie. OK ?! It's what they do. It's called propaganda. Man , it worries me that there are people like you. You honestly think that because it's on Google, it HAS to be true. It's so retarded. YOU know nothing about the T14 . Neither do I . And, until one is examined by a reputable source, I.E. NOT the Russian military , neither will anyone else. In the mean time there is no reason to think it is in any way surerior to any western design MBT. At the end of the day, all it represents is an ergonomic redistribution of the crew. It might be better, it might not , we don't know yet, but it's hardly a quantum leap in tank design.
Most tank nowadays are easily counterable by modern anti tank weapon using pure armor can be penetrated easily by anti-tank such as MISSILE and OTHER ANTI TANK. thats why cOMPOSITE ARMOR AND ERA ARMOR ARE BETTER THAN PURE ARMOR and most modern tank won't have to worry about BALLISTIC and BULLET because COMPOSITE armor would just stop the bullet easily. even the largest modern automatic caliber which is 30mm which use by A-10 Warthog and Autocannon, and i agree what you say.
Ukraine has been adopting much of the NATO-style of tank combat, tank engineering and maintenance, I've seen a report from the somewhere where the Ukrainian tank crews would be ordered to field strip their engines, this was a very interesting training program as the only countries that would do this was Brittain & the US during 1980, That being said I still hate the auto loader,
Hey red effect, tell me one thing If war thunder has realistic physics , Then WHY does the ' if this tank was realistic in war thunder ' EXIST?????????!!!!!
Because there is a limit. And if this tank was realist pics in thinghs like ammo, armor efect, unreliability(gaijin wanted to put, but It was a mesa) availiblity of models and so on
Were you kidnapped Red? What are you talking about? BM-Oplot does have decent armor and decent ERA, but the key word there is "decent", not amazing as you say, and not even to mention the horrible firepower and general non-availability. And one more thing, even though modern tank warfare is very different to ww2 tank warfare, the third reich has shown that more mediocre tanks always beat less amazing tanks, like the case with the Tiger 1 and T34.
What are you talking about? This ERA is decent on it's own but with 2 or 3 layers of this ERA and it's become amazing, together with the base armor it can stop modern APFSDS. (at least the first shot but it is unlikely that second shot goes exactly where the first went)Also Red already mentioned that Ukraine can not produce modern APFSDS in another video but this video was all about the tank armor and ERA pack not an overall review of the tank. Also in warfare there is no "always" so I wouldn't say that "more mediocre tank always beat less amazing tank", especially since tank duels are less common in modern warfare.
@@roberthavran2522 yes, but you said it yourself, the ERA is decent at best, and its a lot heavier, and couple that with the fact that there are multiple layers of it making it even more heavier, the mobility of the tank takes a big hit, because it already had an underpowered engine. I realize that its mobility isn't mentioned here because you were talking about the armor effectivenes, but imo being able to position yourself quickly so that you can actually use your armor is just as important.
I presume the lad’s a Ukrainian? Bold claim to say it’s the best protected tank when nations like the UK keeps their armour secret. The ease at which the Russians rolled into Ukrainian territory might throw some doubt on the effectiveness of Ukrainian equipment.
In 2014, it was a very different situation. "The ease at which the Russians rolled into Ukrainian territory(...)" is a sentence you definitely can't apply to 2022.
Well they'res only like 12 T-84s (older kinds, they have none of these) and most of their tanks are T-64s which are being massacred in Donbass right noe
Nice to see warthunder sponsor you. Maybe they'll get back to their senses and actually make the game the way it should be. REALISTIC. Right now the tanks might only look realistic. Their performance isn't. Their ratios and specifications are being changed all the time to be more balanced. While it could all be fixed to be realistic and only change the BattleRatings to make it more balanced.
@@Kalashnikov413 Yes, I do. But during the recent 2020 international amour vehicle conference, Ukrians figure shows that up to 45% percent of armored vehicles lost in combat were still disabled by enemy artillery fire-- Therefore, artilleries were still pretty much more than capable in terms of anti-tank warfare
they took the Soviet T 80 tank and called it the Hammer, took the Soviet active protection complex Rain, which was abandoned in favor of the Drozd and Arena Active protection Complexes and called this very Soviet Rain the Zaslon complex
@@utaMAN12345 if the battle of kursk taught us anything it's that no matter how fancy your tanks are the Russians will smash them eventually. Smart play by the Ukrainians, don't build too many because they're just going to become scrap metal eventually
By the way, pakistan is now upgrading 10 T-80UDs to Oplot level. If pakistan is satified, pakistan wants to upgrade all its T-80UD fleet to oplot level. I also guess that Thailands contract was probably delayed because of ukraines economic troubles. As i said, ukraine will start producing tanks for pakistan. Lets see how it goes
@@mrdato116 no, there is virtually no information of the oplot-m in 2022 aside from the previous variants in Thailand. But Ukrainian t72s and T64 havent been doing so well. Just like Russian tanks, they mainly fall victim to ATGMs, aside from Russian claims of previous tank battles, the only fully video documented tank battle happened recently, resulting in a destroyed UKR t64, though some debate it might have been a T72AMT instead.
i understand the system of ERA and all. but. looking at the T-14 with then without ERA it makes me wonder... at what point does ERA become an 'explosive' rather then a 'shield'. like. really.
Video is made 3 years ago.😁Meanwhile Ukrainian industry is being destroyed and this desired best protection has turned out to be a myth or, perhaps, even a delusion or a pipe dream, wishful thinking at its best. 😋
I swear to god, i literally had this idea of reactive armor made up in my head, and fuckssakes, i open this video and see that someone else had thought of that before...Well fuck :/
The same place where they were - in Ukraine, but now a large number of trophy Russian tanks have been added to them. If you are interested in tanks, you can check out some of the most detailed reviews of the T-90A in the first iterations and two different T-72B3s, the regular and the 2016 upgrade model) "Shawshank Redemption" channel
@@rahulgandhigandhi4242 In any case, India will not supply weapons to Russia, and the government does not express and will not express any support for the actions of the Russian Federation. Therefore, you can even support the Third Reich, it still does not change anything on the battlefield
Because it's a "protects you only once" kind of protection. And also because any canon on any IFV nowadays can just spray the tank and detonate the ERA leaving the tank with many weakspots. It also adds tons of weight and increases maintenance because these would need to be replaced. You better bet on a strong base armor and both good soft and hard kill defensive systems.
@@kenanfurcle786 im not talking aboit mg fire, im talking about autocanons sported by IFVs which are either 20/25 mm or 30 mm firing apfsds :) Of course ERA wont be triggered by anything bellw 20 mm mostly.
Sorry for little knowledge of mine. How would ERA be affected by shooting it simply with automatic weapon? I.E ak 47? Just wondering if ERA would have been exploited?
If I remember correctly it is designed so it's not activated by anything under 30mm or so. I could be wrong though. Shooting it with an AK47 would do nothing. Multiple hits of a 125mm cannon or atgm would do the trick of setting them off.
Nope a BALLISITC or BULLET would not activate Modern ERA even 50 caliber and the largest automatic caliber which is 30mm used in A-10 WARTHOG and APC would do nothing even the armor piercing, Shooting with AK-47 HAHAHAHA that would do nothing any round of AK or Any small arm fires or rifle and sniper would do nothing. To ERA to activate is to HAVE an Large and explosion and penetrator which is RPGs and other projectile , missile. such as RPG-7 which is an old RPGs and not really effective againts modern TANK.
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Why we not just use HE under the tank?
This technology 70-80X, active protection Barrier (complex Rain USSR). It was abandoned in favor of the Standard complex (ancestor of Afganit), as a consequence of the complexity and General inefficiency of the Rain complex. It is not able to reliably intercept projectiles, Turkey has already had problems with this.
ERA Knife was also based on the project of the USSR, which was recognized as untenable as a result of the large mass, not manufacturability, unstable operation when hit to the edge of the module, the probability of chain detonation of modules with damage to the equipment.
Yes it works... but too random. It is expensive and does not provide reliable protection. In addition, the T-64 does not have a mass reserve for the installation of such systems, and the T-80 is too small and they need major repairs, and there are no spare parts, the use of artisanal substitutes and parts of the T-64 reduces all the advantages to zero.
п.с. Oh, Yes, I have not yet talked about the simply terrible quality of "repaired" armored vehicles from Ukraine.
Man, I like you and you´re content. Keep it up!
At least it's War Thunder, and not Raid Shadow legends lol. It's even related to your military equipment-based content.
pleas make a video for Altay (tank)
You can say whatever you want about those ex-soviet countries, but their tanks look sexy as hell.
Was just thinking the same thing
Idk the newest leopard 2's are pretty good looking
Bet that's the main aircraft of furries
Broke Dog we do not speak of there kind here
Womens are the best
You’ll be over taking me soon enough my eastern brother ❤️👍👍👍
Hey, great to see you here Matt! I just wanted to say how much I loved the Shilka combat footage.
Both Matsimus and Red Effect are excellent channels, the only enemy is youtube and their censorship bull$hit
Oh man I still have a long way to go 😁
Matsimus needs to go back to school and learn how to make articulate, concise, interesting and enjoyable content in a short video. Either that or watch and learn from more Red Effect.
he is just a propaganda channel like RT, all non russian tank or equipment is shit according to this self acclaimed expert.
With that first ERA, I wouldnt like to be an infantrymen accompanying that tank when it gets hit
You wouldn't like to be infantryman next to any tank getting hit.
@@M8143K Shrapnels
Shrapnels everywhere.
Not to mention HEAT rounds exploding outside of the Tank + the ERA explosion.
Soldiers would need ERA mounted on their body
@@glosteradv mini ERA to stop small arms fire and shrapnel from puncturing the plate vest.
The soldier would be a walking Flashbang tree and may possibly blind and deafen said soldier not to mention the force of those mini ERA.
But when Power Armor suits are mass produced then maybe I will call you for ideas.
@Sepher Agon uhhhh source? I've never heard of soldiers getting shot as part of their training
Others: we will apply active protection systems to our tanks.
Also others: what is Ukraine doing?
Ukraine: *"sweating & heavy breathing"* I'm making the most effective ERA for my tank and it's thicc!
I read what 'Ukraine' said in the same way that Tim Curry said all this:
ua-cam.com/video/g1Sq1Nr58hM/v-deo.html
and I recommend for you to do that too.
@@ЯношБан
That's Tim Curry, you dolt.
What Ukraine didn't mention is the gun barrel is likely to be cut off by their own shaped charge ERA and APS.
@@The_Crimson_Fucker well fuck me sideways
@@joelau2383
Source on that, mate.
Make video reviews of characteristic of tanks and how they are applied in modern tanks holistically.
Example topics:
- gun depression.
- Pneumatic Suspension etc.
For only a small donation of $5 a month you can help end gun depression.
Geographic terrain
soviet tanks always in good mood thats why they have no gun depression
Europe is pretty flat in term of terrain thus little gun depression doesn't affect it greatly
Meanwhile island nation like japan thay have wild uneven terrain need lots of depression and pneuomatic suspension
The ERA is quite clever. I always thought of it as a defense against HEAT rounds and ATGMs. But to visually see its effects against sabot rounds puts this in a whole different perspective for me.
@@mitchellcouchman6589well a lot of older steel rounds seem to being sent to the front lines from stockpiles
@@mitchellcouchman6589would still have effect on tungsten rounds
God i Love the BM Oplot
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Most protected : say Ukraine and russia
Iraq and syria jihadi : hold my fuse and my toyota
*Most protected tank*
Tow: "hold my beer"
Hellfire: hold my helicopter
@Sepher Agon because the TOW in this moment hit the frontal plate o T-90. Anti-tank missiles are more effective hitting sides or top armour, like hellfire do.
@Sepher Agon any link?
@Sepher Agon Ya thats defently not true you can find countless syrian and russian tanks blown up in the syrian civil war.
Nóż = knife.
Zasłon = curtain.
@Zorica Tasic Google won't help you translating many words from Slavic languages, it's all context dependent :) In this situation zaslon(заслон) means curtain, or cover.
@Zorica Tasic that really curtain.
I say it like Ukrainian.
@@Quicksilver_Cookie
Curtain and cover are the same thing.
In Arabic, the many words for curtain can be used to mean a cover, veil, or hijab.
For an ex-soviet country Ukraine is doing really well for modernization of older tanks and creation of tonks like oplot
but the problem is that they lack much of money.
Much of the old Soviet high tech industry was located in Ukraine, famous “Russian” items such as the Antonov 225 and those MD-180 rocket engines were made in Ukraine…
@@aker1993 Russia’s invasion of Ukraine could be the best thing to happen to the Ukrainian Defense Industry since independence, whatever survives will have all the money it needs, with combat tested products to offer like the Stugna-P and Nozh…
@@adarret That's bullshit.
@@Lomnjac007why, because you say so… 🙄
"Historically accurate vehicles" yea but the physic went we ram each other at high speed could make us go flying and literally floating in the air i have seen it
How does that make it less historically accurate. Physics didnt change over time
@@bigturn1051 i beg you pardon ?
@@lukabogdanovic4658 I agree!
@@lukabogdanovic4658 what
IAintReal N Yeah and an Abrams being killed by a WW2 tank...
The BM Oplot is a badass tank and probably one of my favorite eastern designs. I always like the interesting derivatives that other nations build on top of old Russian designs, just goes to show how timeless the basis is. The T-72M4CZ, BM Oplot, and PT-17 (polish heavily upgraded PT-91 Twardy concept tank) are some of the sexiest modifications of the T-72/T-80 I've ever seen.
Good for Ukraine.
I have a hunch they'll take off economically and develop well in general, once the fighting stops AND (if) they manage to curb corruption.
That's a huge IF tbh
@@229masterchief
Hm.. wouldn't be too sure about that.
Seems Ukraine today is more promising than before Maidan, so let's be open to being positively surprised by them.
@ScarletDespair The collapse of the USSR affected Ukraine to far greater extent than those countries. I mean the Maidan wasn't the first revolution Modern Ukraine went through.
Though Zelensky may be able to make a significant difference, hopefully.
Sadly, no. New regime is famously inept and corrupt. Government is promoting neo nacism. Power balance is shattered and private militias hold too much power even compared to Ukrainian military. It is destined to be a backwater for decades to come, because it cannot forget and forgive recent events.
too corrupt, the regime holds onto power through warmongering. I wouldnt believe any adverts on Ukrainian equipment, because even if it worked, without relying on soviet era technologies, they went nowhere. Equipment might not arrive in functional state/replaced with used. Too many rich ex-commies and too many very poor who fled the country or listen to nazi religion that makes them look away from corruption. Murrica made 2 coups in 10 years (2004/14) they only replaced one bunch of thieves with another, nazi and 'pro-western'. Because their identity is based on hatred of Russians. They however hate everybody, the nazis. To curb corruption there would probably require something like a military dictatorship. The nazis are corrupt and would like absolute power too. Oligarchs own the media, so youd need someone to concentrate power away from the magnates back to the king, or central govt/parliament whatever there would be. Parliament implies bribery, so it isnt immune to corruption. Without a strong hand like say Putin in Russia, Ukraine cant get up because the oligarchs serve only their own interest. There is an exodus going on in Ukraine. And US started in all, Vicki Nudelman/Nuland, rotten John Mccain et al.
When you need to protect yourself in a moving bunker for a WW3 nuke attack.
Un italiano, incredibile
Bob sample tank is the most well protected tank in the world...change my mind
You are right.Its armor has 99999999999999999999999999999999898888888 mm of protection against apfsds
in rolled homogenous armour equivalent*
@@m1a1abrams3 no
ah, man of culture
Ur countryball is mini india
Just imagine you being a infantry men close to tank and a rebel throw a pebble at tje reactive armor close to you.
(African funeral meme)
That doesn't work really....
I'm not from this world It’s a joke
@@spacemarinechaplain9367 Oh i know, it''s just not that funny
is an shit meme it make laugh the moroons
@@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry knock u out
Thank you for the upload! Love these videos !
this didn't work out well
It did, T-84 hasn't seen much action obviously its a rare tank. Any tank is vulnerable if it has no infantry support, attacked by drones or top attack.
@@Kwisss which hasn't happened and so it didn't work out well...
Don't forget the OFL F1 goes back to 1994, today France today use OFLE F1B and OFLE F1 in the Leclerc (created in 2011 and 2013), which have undoubtly better penetration even if the data are classified.
Is the arjun response video back yet?
Nvm :c
He did it and got copyright striked for it
Its probably not gonna be back up, I think he should upload it on some other site, I watched like half of it before it was taken down lol
@@RadecKZHF Its not back, it still says that the counter notification is under review, for some people it can take months for the issue to be resolved, it is funny because YT said it will take 10 days, but reading about it on the internet, it usually takes from 1 to 5 months for YT to manually review the claim.
@@RedEffectChannel amazing. You can copyright strike someone's content if you don't like it.
Are you monetised?
Thanks for the upload. Very informative. An arms race... arrow vs shield. Two arrows, one right behind the first one... probably not a new idea.
Also now the shield explodes. Repeatedly.
Red, can please you talk about how different ERA blocks hold up to machine guns and autocannons? How effective would it be to spray the whole tank in small caliber weapon fire or HE from tank guns to destroy ERA or primarily optics and sensors? How far away you need to be as a person to be safe from a tank that has ERA on it? How does ERA explosion affect the tank's own external modules like gun barrels, optics and sensors? For example the Ukrainian ERA, you talked about, can it damage the gun?
Gee, modern tanks are going to develop weapons that fire two projectiles in one shot. one to defeat the era.
Don't think anyone wants to build laser tanks.
once you go laser you can't go back
They already did, thats why whe have era sandwichs on tanks hulls
@marios gianopoulos that'll need busloads of energy to produce an EMP that can propel the projectile nearly similar to the speed of light.
@@zed9095 No, you do not need an emp. You need a "barrel" consisting in a set of two rails being made of supra conductors and a potent battery able to discharge a huge amount of energy in a very short time in order to accelerate the projectile up to between 5000 and 7000 meters per second. The biggest roadblock with this technology lies in the battery. Currently the power unit firing those guns are too big to be installed into a 60/70 tons class tank... it would only fit in a tank of the 130-180 tons class... so its a weapon that we will not see being fitted to tanks until a huge leap in batteries miniaturization has been done. However these guns are already being used on some military vessels... that being said, next generation of tank guns being 130 and 140 mm will render even current active protection system obsolete... since the projectile without the sabot will weight between 12 and 15 kg, be more than one meter long, segmented and break the 2000 m/s barrier with a RHAe perforation being estimated between 1200 and 1500mm.... Nothing will stop it and armor will become redundant once and for all. Tanks of the 5th generation would be unmanned drones with just a big gun. Upcoming 4th generation of tanks will be the last one to be manned by humans and this generation will not last more than 2 decades before we see the frist drone tank. Probably powered by electric engine sporting 140 or 150 mm gun on a light chassis probably weighting less than 30 tons.
TheNinjaMarmot There are rounds designed to counter Russian heavy era. It’s called m829a3
@@zed9095 1% speed of light should be more than enough for a projectile
I appreciate very much, how, in contrast to probably most other narrators, commentators, & presenters, RedEffect's attitude is modest, emphasizing info & logic, not attitude.
My favourite tank channel
It's interesting to see Ukraine invest a lot more heavily into mechanized warfare design vs Western tanks which are increasingly (after Cold War) focused on countering infantry. I guess it's because of the proximity to Russia.
Actually soviet-school tanks are better prepared for countefing infantry, but afv vice versa
Yep
So the Unkranian basically produced the "tankiest" tank?
Yes
If a main character rides this tank, I'm pretty sure this tank's defence will really be stronger
plot armor==the best armor
This technology 70-80X, active protection Barrier (complex Rain USSR). It was abandoned in favor of the Standard complex (ancestor of Afganit), as a consequence of the complexity and General inefficiency of the Rain complex. It is not able to reliably intercept projectiles, Turkey has already had problems with this.
ERA Knife was also based on the project of the USSR, which was recognized as untenable as a result of the large mass, not manufacturability, unstable operation when hit to the edge of the module, the probability of chain detonation of modules with damage to the equipment.
Yes it works... but too random. It is expensive and does not provide reliable protection. In addition, the T-64 does not have a mass reserve for the installation of such systems, and the T-80 is too small and they need major repairs, and there are no spare parts, the use of artisanal substitutes and parts of the T-64 reduces all the advantages to zero.
п.с. Oh, Yes, I have not yet talked about the simply terrible quality of "repaired" armored vehicles from Ukraine.
1. Nozh/Knife was never based on a soviet tech and it has no issues with mass detonation + Nozh blocks have 2 times less explosives than Reliks for instance. 2. Afganit was never field tested, so no one is sure about its effectiveness. 3. Turkey never reported any issues with their APS. 4. Nozh ERA is a reliable protection, field tested, patented and licenced for mass production within the NATO block countries unlike many Russian systems.
@@sdrkrm "Knife" - a modular complex of dynamic protection of the third generation for tanks of Ukrainian production, developed in 1997-1998, this approach dates back to the experiments of 1964-72 years in the research Institute of Steel of the USSR, when it was considered as promising, but was later replaced by the now traditional scheme with throwing flat armor plate. A workable complex that implements this principle was adopted only decades later, thanks to the use of the latest technologies in the manufacture of explosives and calculations in the field of optimizing the geometry of the charge profile and their mutual location, which provides for the formation of flat cumulative jets with optimal parameters for countering anti-tank weapons.
It was adopted by the armed forces of Ukraine in 2003; production is organized at several Kiev enterprises and at the 107th plant DZRHI (Donetsk), after the armed coup in Kiev in 2014 uses only imported (US) materials.
Received a mixed assessment among experts, for example: the high losses of T-64M "Bulat" tanks of the Ukrainian armed forces during the fighting in the South-East of Ukraine is associated with the low efficiency and disadvantages (chain detonation) of the dynamic protection "Knife"against outdated ATGM.
Doubts about the effectiveness of the dynamic principle on which the protection "knife" is built have been repeatedly expressed by experts at various levels. As the main drawback point to the low efficiency, excess weight, irrational use of explosion energy and low efficiency of impact on the armor-piercing core, which even when divided into parts retains a high penetration capacity.
It is also noted that the dynamic protection "Knife" has some advantages over the Soviet system "Contact-5" only due to a much larger amount of explosive (from 1.5 to 2.5 kg compared to 0.5 kg in "Contact-5"). In this case, increasing the power of the explosive charge has an undesirable side effect in the form of significant dynamic loads on neighboring protection modules and nodes of the carrier tank, which requires a General increase in the strength and weight of the entire tank structure as a whole.
This criticism is subject to reasoned doubts. Since, as stated, the specialists of the research Institute "Steel", as representing a direct competitor interested parties, distorted information about the DZ"Knife". On the one hand, in their articles they several times overestimated the mass of the explosive used in the DZ "Knife". On the other hand, using mathematical models that are not related to the principle of operation of the dz "Knife".
@@sdrkrm KAZ "Drozd-2" or "Standard", was used on the prototype Ob.195. "Drozd" also serially (hundreds of sets) was installed on the T-55AD in the 80s as part of the program of modernization of tanks.
Once again - NII Stali never developed or prototyped Nozh or its principles. If yes please provide the prototype's name. Because if you're reffering to Gofr ERA it has nothing similar with Nozh. And stop quoting idiots - 1 Nozh ERA module has only 300 grams max of explosive materials. "In one module in the TNT equivalent of 200 g for hschkv-19 and 300 g for hschkv-34. If we compare it with “Contact-5”, in which the 4C22 module contains 330 g, and there are two modules in the DZ container, then the Knife DZ with one module in the container contains 3.3 or 2.2 times less explosives. For DZ "Relict" 2 × 240 = 480 g for 4C23 modules or 2 × 140 = 280 g for 4C24, i.e. the mass of the “Knife” explosive is 1.6-2.4 times less (4C23) or comparable (4C24)." btvt.info/3attackdefensemobility/bulat_dz.htm
@@sdrkrm
All need to know:
T-64BM Bulat lost 18, and a total of 176 tanks, not counting other armored vehicles.
From the East, 4 (!) T-72B3 and up to 80 other tanks of obsolete types were lost.
T-64BM Bulat was withdrawn from the conflict zone, T-84 Oplot did not participate in the battle at all (it is clear why).
The T-84 was almost the last in the European tank challenge (only the USA performed worse). As a result of inappropriate technical condition.
The modernized T-64Ms are much better in many respects, although these are museum exhibits with an unsuccessful engine and absolutely not enough protection (the “Knife” is better than Contact-1, but ...), apart from the dangerous ammunition located, it’s even worse than on the T-72.
How many layers of ERA do you want?
*YES*
Hi Red, did you hear about t-72 AG, an ukrainian modernization of t-72. by the way nice video.
The video is preserved like milk...
As Ukrainian, I'm really impressed by our tank, and yet, I think, that we should've used NERA. At least soldiers won't get hurt after blast
Going forward, I think design flaws will be rectified on subsequent projects.
Much respect from Iran, by the way - love Ukraine and KIND OF wish it was you guys and not russia that was our strategic partner.
@@qarmatianwarhorse6028 You can't actually realise how much we want it, and how many of our nation wants to help end this war in your country and every other in Middle East
@@Bud9989 Trust me when I say this - no true Iranian likes russia. Even though at present russia doesn't really threaten our territorial sovereignty like it does with Ukraine in Donbass, we are disgusted with their double-dealing and treachery (see S-300 delivery saga).
Perhaps one day, our time will come and we can slay this beast together. Stay strong and Slava Ukraini!
@@Bud9989 Returning to this comment in these terrible times. Hope you still live and are fighting back the aggressors ferociously.
May Ukraine emerge victorious. Come out alive if you can, friend.
@@qarmatianwarhorse6028 I can tell, that all Ukrainian people are thankfull for that
can you make a video about iranian Karrar mbt? it looks like a t-90m, but as i know, it is a t-72s modernisation
Isnt the t90 itself a modernisation of the t72
Maxim Tudor yes, the T-90A is a further development of the T-72BM
I knew that already i wanted to know if he knows that too
Maxim Tudor yes I know that you know I wanted to know if he knows that the T-90 is a T72BM
@@KozarssonTM T72BU you meant
RedEffect: *Most protected tank in the World*
Bob Semple Tank: *Are you sure about that?*
Best tank in the world, the Japanese would have immediately given up on seeing him
at 06:44, the Soviet active protection Rain, created in Leningrad, in Ukraine it was simply renamed the Barrier
correction tungsten and DU are much denser and harder materials however because they are so hard they are very brittle and any force applied to the projectile can cause it to snap which is how heavy ERA works by effectively snapping the rod and decreasing the penetration.
I doubt that the projectile being snapped affects its penetration significatively. Afterall, its kinetic energy stays fairly constant after the fracture, plus, the losses due to the projectile "impacting itself" after the initial impact might be mostly unimportant, since the projectile already degrades pretty easily once it impacts the armor, hence there's not enough time for this losses to be happen (plus these fractures are VERY small, leaking very little energy).
When it comes to kinetic penetrators, the only feasible way that ERA can affect its penetration noticeably is by redirecting them to travel as paralel to the armor as possible, so that the speed on the axis normal to the armor is as small as possible, and so the material gets a chance for its own (normal) force to fully redirect it away from itself. Alternatively, bending the projectile is viable too, since it also disrupts its trajectory towards a convenient path.
Longstory short, it's probably more about how the explosion's force deflects and deforms the projectile rather than the fractures said explosion may cause.
@@Pao234_ well the rod snapping or deforming absolutely effects penetration if it actually snaps you have less rod to penetrate regardless of its velocity which means less penetration. APFSDS rod length is important for overall pentation which is why modern APFSDS rods are rather long to get the most penetration. Deforming(which is more likely) changes the impact angle and can cause the projectile to yaw which puts more stress on the projectile and causes it to either travel through more material and degrade faster or not hit straight and true.
@@nemisous83 No, if the rod snaps that *only* means that the rod split in two or more parts, however there's no loss of mass in the fracture itself. It's only a discontinuity in the material of the initial object. As i said previously, ERA is most effective against APFSDS when the angle is "lenient" enough so that the explosion can deviate the projectile and reduce its velocity towards the armor. If this sounds a little confusing, imagine a wall, now move your pov to be directly above the wall and looking down to it. Now imagine a projectile going horizontally to the plane and diagonal to said wall. If the wall had blocks of ERA protecting it, the explosion would make the projectile go more paralel and less perpendicular to the wall, this means that it would reduce its velocity towards the wall, so the projectile transfers less energy in the impact
@@nemisous83 And also, velocity is the most important, since the kinetic energy of an object increases proportional to the square of its speed. Basically, a 1kg projectile going 1m/s has 25 times less energy than the same projectile going 5m/s. When it comes to APFSDS all that matters is kinetic energy and its conservation, and of course reducing (air) drag by making it loooong and thin is a pretty good idea. Also of course, a long penetration is much better than a thick penetration of the same volume, thats important too
@@Pao234_ velocity is one factor but its not the only factor in APFSDS penetration. if that was the case DM63 would have more penetration than M829A4 because its traveling 150m/s faster however the overall length of the rod is almost 300mm shorter. if you plug both rounds into any APFSDS calculator the M829A4 always has more penetration. this is also why M900 has more penetration than Bm-36(115mm) despite having a slower muzzle velocity.
If you want to play a tank game, don't bother with war thunder. In the mid to higher tiers, usually a plane or a helicopter destroys your tank without you even realising where they are. I am not sure how Gaijin thinks that is fun.
Love from India 🇮🇳
Love your content 👍👌
8:24 - surprised to see the frag jacket is semi-perforated on the outside: I read many yrs ago that 'pineapple' grenades had it wrong, that if their fragments are inscribed on the inside, then the frag effect is much more reliable.
RIP troops arround the tank.
How RIP
@@the.606 pretty dead rip.
If a 125-мм projectile flies into the tank, small fragments from the ERA will not make the situation much worse. Everyone who is on that side of hit will still receive damage. On the contrary, "Knife" shows a much lower tendency to react to small impacts and, unlike Kontakt-1, does not react to fragments from mortar shells
@@yaroslavbouchetdude dont u see 2:03 the fking shit flying away. If it can cut steel wtf do u think it will do to a human?
This vs. T90M?
Thanks so much for all the information on ERA; I used to think it was just for atgms and couldn't do much against kinetic energy penetrators, but wow, 80% reduction is amazing. With composite base armor, era, and hardkill APS, wtf is going to be able to kill them? Gonna have to resort to molotov cocktails again :0
I find information that without ERA turret is rated as 800mm (against kinetic) and hull has 600-650
That's damn very impresive comsidering most modern abrams m1a2c has turret 800mm against kinetic but without ERA
Main issue with tanks is that once mobility is robbed, crew are done for. Maximum 2-3 days, they can persist inside but afterwards, they'll be forced to ditch. When that happens, infrastructure is lost and personnel are at risk of death or captivity.
Imo, too much focus is put on physical penetration of armour when it comes to tank warfare doctrine. There have to some reliable methods to do as I proposed above.
I recommend you SY Simulations and Dejman XYZ channels, they've done quite a lot of armor penetration simulations, including ERA
@@IvanBaturaChannel thank you!
I dig your avatar.
Does it work well on anti tank mines? Or Drones and artillery shells?
Any idea how well reactive armor would reduce effect of a 500lb laser guided bomb dropped from 15,000 feet at 500mph? I'm pretty sure the results would be the same no matter what type of tank is hit. Might not create penetrating projectiles, but the blast would surly incapacitate the crew, wouldn't it? Just curious. Excellent video by the way!
A 500 lb pressure will kill the crew
A 500lb laser guided bomb will sink a frigate, let alone a tank
Absolutely fascinating, love the content
So first hit survival chance is really high? Will the ERA hold against multiply hits?
No ERA gets multiple-hit capability.
@@TheNicestPig I hope you understand the they use multiply layers of ERA, so it should be capabil of resist multiple hit on the same spot but the anti protective capability would be less because there is only one layer left in the worst case.
@@Tankliker an APFSDS flying through would probably trigger all of them at the same time, and it'd probably take all of em to actually stop a modern APFSDS
@@TheNicestPig the question is just how modern the APFSDS is, old one with steel rods would be no thread but are the first ones with DU or Tungstenrods at least a small thread to the vehicle.
ERA Knife was also based on the project of the USSR, which was recognized as untenable as a result of the large mass, not manufacturability, unstable operation when hit to the edge of the module, the probability of chain detonation of modules with damage to the equipment.
Yes it works... but too random. It is expensive and does not provide reliable protection.
It would be nice if they added this tank to one of the tech trees on war thunder
Ong hopefully next. Update
Looks like the weakest part of a tank is a single track. At best it becomes a pillbox.
T-64BM BULAT at 9.7 BR and T-84 OPLOT at 10.3 since it doesn’t have access to great ammo. Go Go Gajin, make it happen
i mean strv 122b plss is 11.3 and its best round is dm33, and oplots is 3bm44 which is better, so 11.3 for oplot is acceptable, bcs it has a lot of armour
T-84 oplot would be 12-13br just as t-90 best model and Abrams newest modification should be.
0:24 czech flag on that helicopter 🇨🇿❤️
Greetings from czech republic!
I would dowland war thunder if I had enough space on computer 😂, I play world of tanks and it take too much space xd
EVERYONE GET ERA..YOU GET AN ERA YOU GET AN ERA ALL GET ERA
Greetings from Ukraine! Too bad Oplot didn't make it to our own armored forces. By now we only modernize T-64 to BV (2017) with thermal imaging and ERA Nozh. Field report said Nozh saved tanks and crews in dire situation for numerous times.
Yeah and now those tanks are being butchered. Saw a T72B3 blow them up. Lucky crew survived
@@someturkishguy8638 yes and t72b3 too... This is war tanks are not eternal
@@someturkishguy8638Yes, only 2000 russian tanks have been butchered by now
@@РостиславСеркіс True. Artillery is the most deadly killer of all. It doesn't care about how much ERA or front armor you have.
I guess friendly infantry units should probably stay far away from these tank. Once the tank is taking hits, all those ERA going off are gonna literally shredding anybody standing near it.
Unless it's being shot at with apfsds which is actually the rarest threat for a tank to encounter on the modern battlefield the shrapnel from the shaped charge would already be deadly regardless of era however it would certainly not help
We may see how it will perform in real life instead of on paper.
They sold the only one they made
@@someturkishguy8638 they sold 46 to Thailand and they have 6
@@Lecheno878 Ok sorry, they sold MOST of the ones they made.
@@someturkishguy8638 Not really but kinda
Is an ERA can be destroyed with 12.7mm HMG? If can, the enemy can use the coaxial/mounted gun for destroy the ERA first then penetrate the tank
in the video trials they shot it with 14.5mm HMG and it only made bullet holes but ERA did not go off.
@@azrael9016 soon there will be technology to defeat it
Thinking that. Whats stopping some kind double fire system innovation, first weapon removes the protective system while the second penetrates.
EPING There is. M829a3 is designed to defeat Russian heavy era.
One shell from the main gun would do the job
Could you please write subtitles for your videos since auto-generated subtitles are bad when it comes to terminology?
2:43 3 years later, well B R I C K stack B R I C K is nothing news now XD
They love B R I C K
To people complaining about War Thunder, at least he didn't go for the justifiably crappy Raid Shadow Legends like many other tubers would.
Who would win? The worlds most protected tank or a wide ditch
1:01 bricks instead of armor.
Lol
Why wouldn't 'Nozh' be able to cut DU APFSDS - DU is not that hard at all?
Well, it's only a single use defence system. After that, the tank will get penetrated at the spot where ERA has been hit before.
Exactly, although the laser system can be beaten by electronic watfare
if you managed to hit the same spot
I'm sure they used a butt load of Nokia's for armor protection. And from Ukraine of all the places, I wonder if It can out do the Russians Armada? Hell maybe the Abrams or the leppord?
Dude, it's a piece of shit rebuild of an old soviet design by a bankrupt, third world country fighting a war it can't afford. Please.
Abrams or leppord yes the T--14 no not even the Abrams could stand to that.
@@komradematt8025 Don't be silly. What do you now about the T14 anyway?! Nothing, that's what. It's secret.
@@andrewwoodhead3141 lol T-14 is not so top secret as you think its a simple google search and matching with different searches to learn about it but you clearly wouldn't bother going that far.
@@komradematt8025 Ok , so my last comment failed to update. Let me explain this to you as if I were talking to a child .
Not everything on google is true. In the case of Russian weapons systems,.. guess what ? What is publicly available is what the Russian military makes publicly available. You don't think they publish the exact and real performance of their latest AA missiles, do you ? I hope you are not THAT gullible. Good. So why do you imagine that they publish the true performance of their latest tank ?! They don't.
Look, we've been here before, it's not new. You don't remember the eighties, I assume,.. when every new Russian weapon system was so superior to what we had. Tanks ? T80 ! we never had a hope against it. What a load of Bollocks that turned out to be . It was ALL junk.
The Russian Lie. OK ?! It's what they do. It's called propaganda.
Man , it worries me that there are people like you. You honestly think that because it's on Google, it HAS to be true. It's so retarded. YOU know nothing about the T14 . Neither do I . And, until one is examined by a reputable source, I.E. NOT the Russian military , neither will anyone else. In the mean time there is no reason to think it is in any way surerior to any western design MBT. At the end of the day, all it represents is an ergonomic redistribution of the crew. It might be better, it might not , we don't know yet, but it's hardly a quantum leap in tank design.
you are finally finding your stride son, keep up the good work. Allan
Any answer that isn't ''Panzerkampfwagem VIII Maus'' will offend me
Edit: I am offended
@@barrrakudam RHA isnt as good as composite, who would've thought eh?
Most tank nowadays are easily counterable by modern anti tank weapon using pure armor can be penetrated easily by anti-tank such as MISSILE and OTHER ANTI TANK. thats why cOMPOSITE ARMOR AND ERA ARMOR ARE BETTER THAN PURE ARMOR and most modern tank won't have to worry about BALLISTIC and BULLET because COMPOSITE armor would just stop the bullet easily. even the largest modern automatic caliber which is 30mm which use by A-10 Warthog and Autocannon, and i agree what you say.
Ukraine has been adopting much of the NATO-style of tank combat, tank engineering and maintenance, I've seen a report from the somewhere where the Ukrainian tank crews would be ordered to field strip their engines, this was a very interesting training program as the only countries that would do this was Brittain & the US during 1980,
That being said I still hate the auto loader,
War Thunder is a great game with so many cool tanks. Play now guys!
But please don't buy XM1 before trying out the M22 Locust.
@Ua la Halizeti you can still play it.I have a pc which my parents bought back in 2007 and I can still play it
War thunder/WoT ads on tankograd when?
@Ua la Halizeti It's got crazy optimization. It's not going to look pretty, but you can get it to run smooth on pretty much everything.
War thunder is not as good as world of tanks
If a tank needs ERA or another active protective Armor it can´t be the "most protected Tank in the world".
so we're just gonna go back to our good old Mid-Cold War armor technology, then
Hey red effect, tell me one thing
If war thunder has realistic physics ,
Then
WHY does the ' if this tank was realistic in war thunder ' EXIST?????????!!!!!
because he's sponsered
@@tinn1134 but still
@@sannidhyabalkote9536 Nobody would play Germany or early America if they were plagued with reliability issues that got em' killed mid-game.
@@Bandit_Sudo I don't play war thunder but watch life Boris,
Therefore got introduced to this
Because there is a limit. And if this tank was realist pics in thinghs like ammo, armor efect, unreliability(gaijin wanted to put, but It was a mesa) availiblity of models and so on
Were you kidnapped Red? What are you talking about? BM-Oplot does have decent armor and decent ERA, but the key word there is "decent", not amazing as you say, and not even to mention the horrible firepower and general non-availability. And one more thing, even though modern tank warfare is very different to ww2 tank warfare, the third reich has shown that more mediocre tanks always beat less amazing tanks, like the case with the Tiger 1 and T34.
What are you talking about? This ERA is decent on it's own but with 2 or 3 layers of this ERA and it's become amazing, together with the base armor it can stop modern APFSDS. (at least the first shot but it is unlikely that second shot goes exactly where the first went)Also Red already mentioned that Ukraine can not produce modern APFSDS in another video but this video was all about the tank armor and ERA pack not an overall review of the tank. Also in warfare there is no "always" so I wouldn't say that "more mediocre tank always beat less amazing tank", especially since tank duels are less common in modern warfare.
Tiger tanks werent amazing at all
Lol its like you havent watched the video, he actually shows real tests of the ERA
@@roberthavran2522 yes, but you said it yourself, the ERA is decent at best, and its a lot heavier, and couple that with the fact that there are multiple layers of it making it even more heavier, the mobility of the tank takes a big hit, because it already had an underpowered engine. I realize that its mobility isn't mentioned here because you were talking about the armor effectivenes, but imo being able to position yourself quickly so that you can actually use your armor is just as important.
@@Feffdc yes... indeed they were.
Idk almost 0 left, doesn't work very well it seems against russian AT weapons or tanks
0 BM Oplot was destroyed, because all BM Oplot was made for Thailand.
challeneger 2 megatron : oh you are armored but not for long . *shoots hesh rounds or smoke and gets rid of reactive armor , * shoots apfsds
This is the only person I've ever heard consider the Ukrainian tank the most protected tank in the world..
EEAHREII!! Great video as usual, impressive indeed
I presume the lad’s a Ukrainian?
Bold claim to say it’s the best protected tank when nations like the UK keeps their armour secret. The ease at which the Russians rolled into Ukrainian territory might throw some doubt on the effectiveness of Ukrainian equipment.
Ukraine didnt have any oplots.
In 2014, it was a very different situation.
"The ease at which the Russians rolled into Ukrainian territory(...)" is a sentence you definitely can't apply to 2022.
Normaly you aim at the tracks or ass to disable them. These are the weak spots of every tank.
I'd put a T-84 up against ANY Russki tank. It could win because it;s on its own territory,
Well they'res only like 12 T-84s (older kinds, they have none of these) and most of their tanks are T-64s which are being massacred in Donbass right noe
@@someturkishguy8638 Russian, are you going to the "special operation"? The motherland is calling!
It's cool but looks like these shots are on a very steep angle. Still pretty cool.
Nice to see warthunder sponsor you.
Maybe they'll get back to their senses and actually make the game the way it should be.
REALISTIC.
Right now the tanks might only look realistic. Their performance isn't. Their ratios and specifications are being changed all the time to be more balanced. While it could all be fixed to be realistic and only change the BattleRatings to make it more balanced.
Most protected tank :*Appears*
Some random 155mm artillery : Hold my Ap Shell
you do know that 155mm artillery aren't meant to direct-fire role/ directly attack tanks?
@@Kalashnikov413 Yes, I do.
But during the recent 2020 international amour vehicle conference, Ukrians figure shows that up to 45% percent of armored vehicles lost in combat were still disabled by enemy artillery fire--
Therefore, artilleries were still pretty much more than capable in terms of anti-tank warfare
@@Kalashnikov413 Most artillery nowadays were designed with direct fire capablilities
False, the Arjun is the Best Protected Tank in the World smh
China will be very angry if you say this, they say THEY have the best protected tanks in the world lol
they took the Soviet T 80 tank and called it the Hammer, took the Soviet active protection complex Rain, which was abandoned in favor of the Drozd and Arena Active protection Complexes and called this very Soviet Rain the Zaslon complex
This is how you build a tank when you live in constant fear of being invaded by Russia
yup by building just 10 of 'em
@@utaMAN12345 if the battle of kursk taught us anything it's that no matter how fancy your tanks are the Russians will smash them eventually. Smart play by the Ukrainians, don't build too many because they're just going to become scrap metal eventually
@@DjDolHaus86 So why build and "defend" in the first place???😂😂😂
@@zidorovichburblyatya2862 R/woosh
@@utaMAN12345 well they didn't build 10 of these, they built 10 of the older kind which iirc use the same ERA but only 2 blocks on the turret
By the way, pakistan is now upgrading 10 T-80UDs to Oplot level. If pakistan is satified, pakistan wants to upgrade all its T-80UD fleet to oplot level.
I also guess that Thailands contract was probably delayed because of ukraines economic troubles. As i said, ukraine will start producing tanks for pakistan. Lets see how it goes
Yes!! I love the T-84 Opolot tank. Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦👍💪
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I wonder what a heavy tank using these modern technologies would be like
Well this didn't age well
Why did they get taken out ?
@@mrdato116 no, there is virtually no information of the oplot-m in 2022 aside from the previous variants in Thailand. But Ukrainian t72s and T64 havent been doing so well. Just like Russian tanks, they mainly fall victim to ATGMs, aside from Russian claims of previous tank battles, the only fully video documented tank battle happened recently, resulting in a destroyed UKR t64, though some debate it might have been a T72AMT instead.
@@ShopeeMarketteam I see. Thanks for the info 👌
@@ShopeeMarketteam Thank you, I'm a racist
i understand the system of ERA and all. but. looking at the T-14 with then without ERA it makes me wonder... at what point does ERA become an 'explosive' rather then a 'shield'. like. really.
Video is made 3 years ago.😁Meanwhile Ukrainian industry is being destroyed and this desired best protection has turned out to be a myth or, perhaps, even a delusion or a pipe dream, wishful thinking at its best. 😋
almost every russian military vehicle is destroyed
@@mr-vn8jg shure, but how ukraine still not got moscow?
@@tod_tech5899 russia is big, very big and compared to ukraine its enormous, how is russia still not in kiev?
@@mr-vn8jg CANADA is big, austalia is big, doest it help them? Most part of russia is wasteland
I swear to god, i literally had this idea of reactive armor made up in my head, and fuckssakes, i open this video and see that someone else had thought of that before...Well fuck :/
Where is Ukrainian tanks now a days??
Destroyed, that's why they begging for Western tanks
@@kamov52510
Red effect, most protected tank in the world, the Ukrainian tank 😁
The same place where they were - in Ukraine, but now a large number of trophy Russian tanks have been added to them. If you are interested in tanks, you can check out some of the most detailed reviews of the T-90A in the first iterations and two different T-72B3s, the regular and the 2016 upgrade model)
"Shawshank Redemption" channel
@@yaroslavbouchet we Indian support Russia 🇷🇺 militarily,
@@rahulgandhigandhi4242 In any case, India will not supply weapons to Russia, and the government does not express and will not express any support for the actions of the Russian Federation. Therefore, you can even support the Third Reich, it still does not change anything on the battlefield
Why is ERA not standard on modern tanks particulary Western tanks? It seems a phenomemal addition to any tanks protection.
Because it's a "protects you only once" kind of protection. And also because any canon on any IFV nowadays can just spray the tank and detonate the ERA leaving the tank with many weakspots. It also adds tons of weight and increases maintenance because these would need to be replaced. You better bet on a strong base armor and both good soft and hard kill defensive systems.
@@monfortnicolas5448 while you are mostly right, i should add that not all ERA detonates under MG fire
@@kenanfurcle786 im not talking aboit mg fire, im talking about autocanons sported by IFVs which are either 20/25 mm or 30 mm firing apfsds :) Of course ERA wont be triggered by anything bellw 20 mm mostly.
@@monfortnicolas5448 Right, now i get it, i agree. Cheers mate
@@kenanfurcle786 Cheers to you aswell. May this new year bring you prosperity
Modern Maus 🐁
Sorry for little knowledge of mine. How would ERA be affected by shooting it simply with automatic weapon? I.E ak 47? Just wondering if ERA would have been exploited?
If I remember correctly it is designed so it's not activated by anything under 30mm or so. I could be wrong though. Shooting it with an AK47 would do nothing. Multiple hits of a 125mm cannon or atgm would do the trick of setting them off.
Nope a BALLISITC or BULLET would not activate Modern ERA even 50 caliber and the largest automatic caliber which is 30mm used in A-10 WARTHOG and APC would do nothing even the armor piercing, Shooting with AK-47 HAHAHAHA that would do nothing any round of AK or Any small arm fires or rifle and sniper would do nothing. To ERA to activate is to HAVE an Large and explosion and penetrator which is RPGs and other projectile , missile. such as RPG-7 which is an old RPGs and not really effective againts modern TANK.
2020 and Cynical Historian is still crying
Wdym?
Hello, can you play war thunder with the modern tanks and see how realistic they are modelled in game ?
Yes there are modern tanks , like the m1a2, t80u, type90b,leo 2a5, leclerc etc etc. And the modelling is pretty good
@@nahyanrajee198 you mean trash : )
@@nahyanrajee198 the armour modelling is fucking horrible in warthunder mbts, and warthunder i my most played game
Why does he never talk about lower plates on the Russian tanks?
Because it wouldn‘t fit his „no weakspots“ claim
@@Sinni64 lmao yup. But the Abrams has 100 weaknesses but the t72 doesn't have 1
@@DefinitelyNotAnAddict
For the russian made T-72 look for videos from Syria. Lots of them.
@@AliShuktu I've seen alot its not a bad tank for its time but not perfect even the t90ms has that lower plate and drivers spot weakness
Because it's the same on every tank, no tank has a thick enough lower hull to counter IEDs and mines.
Tandem PG round did a great test... firstly hit the ground and than was flying sideways onto target :D
This ERA made to counter Tandem shape + it have multiple layers