The Old Heads Were JUNK… We Replaced Them With TRICK FLOW CNC Heads!
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Stock heads just won't cut it on our 483 CI BBM Stroker engine that we're building for @scannerdanner so we've teamed up with Trick Flow Specialties.
Trick Flow Specialties is a leading designer and manufacturer of high performance cylinder heads, intake manifolds, and engine components. Check out everything they have to offer here: www.trickflow.com
Shoutout to @EngineRehab for bringing his expertise to the build & helping out with this video!
Be sure to check out the entire build series here: • The Story Of @ScannerD...
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Huge shoutout to Trick Flow Specialties for helping us out on this build! Be sure to check out everything they have to offer here: www.trickflow.com
Also a huge thanks to @enginerehab for taking the time to come and join the discussion!
I actually worked for Rottler Mfg and designed cylinder head clamping attachments for the Rottler SG10XY for Trickflow to accomodate about 10 different Trickflow cylinder heads.
I wait in anticipation like the rest of you! I have no idea what was done. Really looking forward to this one!
Mhmmm!! Anticipation, there's a reason Jim has the Heinz bottle in the shop. A bloody teaser for folks like you, patiently (impatiently) anticipating that first drive with this unique 383!!
@@Sunspot-19 I promise to bring it to you guys!
WOW Scanner Danner you got the hook up going on here! I'm guessing by your multiple(8 -10) comments on this video alone that you're pretty damn happy & excited with the progress coming along well. Can't wait to see this back in the Ramcharger flying down the road - or standing still spinning the tires off the rims! 👍🏻👌🏻⚡💥💨💨🚚🚛🚦🛢️⛽🛑🚧
Your wallet shall be empty, but your truck shall be fast!
Those of you that aren't machinists have no idea how bad ass that hand deburr was. To do that without the cutter getting hung up, AT THAT SPEED, is insane.
For the de-burr guy to get that good , the company must be selling A LOT of heads.
Dude has probably done thousands of heads
I AM a machinist and it very much impressed me 😮
Cnc machinist by day and I'll second this . That deburing was absolutely insane and learned from making many many many heads in his career
I'm not a professional machinist ('lectrician by trade), but I do have a few manual machines (I have enough experience to consider myself an entry-level hobby machinist), and I was absolutely floored at how quick (and accurate, I assume) the tech was with that die grinder!!! Talk about skill!!! 👍
This episode was so good! My favorite so far, in part because we are seeing it come together and also all the nerdy stuff just speaks to me. 😂 Nic, you were so wise to bring Josh in! What a wealth of information he is, well spoken, easy to follow and clearly knows his s***. Thank you both so much for taking such good care of me. This whole project is the coolest thing ever. I feel blessed.
NIce presentation by TF and JAMS. Nice when 2 machinists are happy with the other's work.
100%
Thanks Trick Flow!!! Enjoyed the content. You guys Rock!!!🇺🇲👍
This is so interesting for me. I see JAMSI, Scanner Danner and Trick Flow come together before my eyes as entertainment and science lesson both. At that, their businesses complement each other. The relationship of UA-cam viewers to this event is valuable to all three parties. This sort of affair can never have come about when I was a youth. This internet is a fantastic affair! I hope that cut out in the cylinder bore for the valves is OK.
I agree and I really didn't see how truly awesome this was going to be going into this. Blessed to be the recipient of this soon to be bad ass engine too! Glad you're here and following along!
This was an exceptionally interesting video. I recently bought a set of trickflow heads for my future replacement motor. I knew they were really good, after these explanations I appreciate them even more. This was a great collaboration, thanks.
Just recently we had a 494 BBM on the dyno that made decent numbers for a street pump gas engine 600+ torque/500+ HP but after our requisite post dyno compression test I had some variances I didn't like. I did a leakdown test and had 3 cylinders that had about 30% sealing (yikes!!) with most of the leakage going to the exhaust. This was a typical "offshore" aluminum head. We pulled the heads and recut the seats and the seat runout was horrible on several of the valve seats. Upon reinstallation it picked up 12 to 15 numbers across the board. That was a big financial hit on something that is sold to the public as a "bolt on" item. Enraging that shops have to spend money on "quality control" that can't be billed to the customer.
We've used a couple of sets of the TFS BBM heads, and they are very nice.
that is good info to share, knowing what not to buy for others, thanks!
Gotta give you credit for the production quality you have now achieved, you have come a long way from your first videos!
Dropped into comments to upvote what I knew would be here -- I just watched 45 min without skipping or 2x and honestly was in that video space as if this was lord of the rings or something.
@@ab2230 haha me too! But it is mine, so I did have to wipe my mouth a bit from the drool
Watching your video was a pleasure.It's always nice to see when people care about the quality of thier WORKMANSHIP.
Accuracy as in size and fit,and close tolerances.Also cleanliness of parts and work-space.It's like watching a batch of milk,when you can see the cream rise to the top of the tank.thanks guys.
I spent 3 grand on a set of ZL1 heads back in 1972 . Got the whole 9 yards, but these heads you had built put mine to shame. That was a lot of money back then. Trick flow heads are a steal, I wish they were available when I was running.
34:13 I'm definitely excited!! This is way more than I could have ever asked for.
This build is very cool! Hope we get to see this Engine run on a stand when done!
32:17 impressive Josh, for real, that's pretty bad ass that you just visualized .030 and were right!
Shoutout the Adam! Makes it look easy, expert for sure
No mention of the Harland Sharp rockers. Good rockers been using them since the 80s. A great in depth video. Great info on spring and retainer application and weight savings benefits Thanks
I bought a set of Brodix track ll heads and paid a pretty penny for them and I always put water with food coloring mixed together and dump into the exhaust and intake ports and they leaked rite out of the box , for $2800 I was a very pissed off customer I called them 20 plus times just to get them on the phone and the guy I talked to told me that's what I get for $2800 so I'll never buy that brand again, I took them to a race shop to have them fixed and changed the valves they told me they should have never been boxed up and shipped !!
Budget, not satisfied with boxed Holleys, is how Barry Grant got started. He modified the heck out of Holleys trying to improve them. All started with a big block Chevelle in his one car garage. Eventually he quit his day job.
I'm really enjoying this build, especially all the details you're explaining.
Love this. I can't wait to see a 426 hemi build 😈
Maybe someday! lol
Preet cool video today with TrickFlow! I just watched @Daves Auto video about heads & how hes fixing up brand new aftermarket manufacturerd 6.4L powerstroke heads and how they need to be checked & 'fixedç right out of the box. Now im on your video wathing a much higher end manufacturer billet aluminum full CNC machine heads being put together! Must be 'head day' on the channels today! Anyways lookin good & @SD is getting excited along with all of us along for the ride. Lets see this thing breath some air, & come to life shooting fire!👍🏻👌🏻⚡💥💨💨⛽🛢️🚦🚛🚚🚧🛑🤔
16:42 It's funny that you mention how bad the diesel heads are... that's the same thing Dave had said in that last video I just watched. I guess it is in fact a common issue with the aftermarket diesel head\machine work.
32:22 @CEE used a real yellow 'banana' micrometer in their last video on Friday too. What's going on with the banana 🍌📏 measurements these days? 🤔🍌📏🍌📏🤦🏻♂️
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This was excellent, definitely love the nerd stuff. Well done brother.
This video was full of great info. I do love a high-quality product. Thank you both. I love the teaser at the end too,
me too! Thought it was blood for a second lol. It's now a TV show I want to set reminders for.
Dream Team, can see y’all building custom engines for top-shelf restomods far into the future.
That intro felt like the show “how it’s made”
Plenty of clearance Clarence!!!! ROFLMFAO!!!!
Excellent follow up video ! I am a Mopar guy but the cost has forced me to go to the poor mans brand ! So Chevrolet it is ! Never should have sold my Hemi Barracuda ! Thanks for sharing !
Paul (ScannerDanner) is gonna be in the same boat I'm in, which is can the transmission handle the new power plant. Haha
Gonna be awesome!
It wont.
@@EngineRehabit should be okay 😅 it's a manual 4 speed (NP435) that is supposed to be bullet proof. Guess we will see
@@ScannerDannerhaha I wouldn’t actually know.
Looking forward to this.
Those trick flows sure are nice!
EXCELLENT! Thank you very much. I was hearing about this stuff years ago and it all sounded very arcane but I could grasp the benefit of flow, so now I have been enlightened.
Glad it was helpful!
Looking good!!
Jaime is Definitely a ... BLACK SABBATH fan !! 🤘🤘 .. close guess
on the Beatles. ... Also, really looking forward to the progress on this build. Very cool. 👍
Thank you. If someone else didn't already say it I was going to. 😂
@@Carl_Jr .. yep, my music snob ocd kicked into overdrive.. 😂
Ha, same. Before his time. Or ingenious engagement tactic.
@@Panhead49EL Hey. At least he knows who the Beatles are, though. Just not what they look like. 🤣
This channel will soon hit 1M subs
Thanks for the lessons . Great video .
Hope y’all fire this engine up and put it on a dyno, you have to!
agree!
Great info, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing 👍
Men, i don't know that much about proformance engines but heads like this for $3,000 with profomance springs, and valves installed so that it bolts right on (without additional modification to fit) the block of choice seems like a hell of a price.
Awesome video very informative and in depth.
What an awesome video! Fascinating and Educational!!!! Thnx!
Good update keep it up the good work 👍👍
Thanks 👍
The finish on those look top notch.
Incredible.. Seems to me it would be silly to use the factory heads on the big block Dodge. What a major update and improvement
Excellent video fella's thank u very much
Thanks for the great learning experience.
Cant wait to see y'all fire it up...gonna be insane...
Me neither...
@@JAMSIONLINE are we planning dyno runs?
This was a great vid, lots of wisdom spread around 🙏
Wow, crazy amount of information in this episode. Interesting! Thanks!
right? I felt like I was in class!
I love Mopar RB big blocks. I have one in my Cuda punched out to 496. Thing screams. And scares the crap outta me.
That’s the goal 😎
"what really matters when it comes to product quality is, do the guys who are working on it actually care?"
Words to live by, in virtually all fields of endeavor 😊
This one is going to be amazing
Fascinating!
24:10 awesome story of how you got into this Josh! Love this
It’s so much more interesting but I’m sure it’s the same way many other people got involved.
Great content and thanks 👍🔧
They have came a long ways! Nice to see a single point cutter for the valve seal now! They used to use a rottler and I have a few sets that were absolutely terrible on seat profile and seat run out
Wow! Really good quality of content and production 👍👍 always impressed at your talents. Sincerely Sweden
Cracking video, good info, hand de-bur wow, respect 👌
8v heads are so old skool - but love the attention to detail on these - beautiful piece of engineering
I always thought that the ports were polished to mirror like finish. These look very rough. Perhaps it a golf ball dimple effect that improves a laminar flow.
I’m nerding out here thanks
Thanks for watching!
Another really great video, plenty of helpful info, even if you already know it all....!
Super informative in every way. I’m building a AMC 360 for my 77 hornet amx . I did some port cleanup and port matching on the iron heads. .045 piston quench, roller cam and other mods. I’m only looking for 400 hp . I call this the practice motor as it is my first build.
Scanner Danner is a class act. I love that you guys are putting in the effort on this build. This beast will make him soil his drawers.
I'll bring wipes on my first test drive 😂 Thank you my friend
Excellent! And nice to see the Cleaning Guy make a cameo at the end there.
Great video
You people do such interesting Machine Shop Work, I'd love to work for you. I would love to learn more about machining Automotive parts.
I am a Manual Machinist, now retired, and the work you guys do is in the Manual Style of machining skills. I sort of imagine that the bulk of your shop work is Customized due to the various Engine makers and the jobs that need to be performed on them.
David Vizard (the original flow bench guy) says a turn within a port as series of 15 degree steps flows the same as a continuous curve.
That ws very educational.
Nice video.
About the short turn on the original heads, mentioned around 22:50. I recall a Toyota discovery that having an angled intake port caused a lot of air swirl in the cylinder and massively increased efficiency. Looking at the original heads those intake ports seem to have quite an angle to them and maybe that's why they made good power despite the short turn.
Nice video
Stock Mopar big block heads are notorious for bad airflow compared to Fords and Chevys. These heads are a great alternative
Nice quality.
Can't really wrap my head around an 11/32" valves, but I guess they know best
11/32” is 8.73mm.
@@davidelliott5843 Yup. I would be inlined to just use an 8mm stem.
I always learn from watching your videos but I really learned a lot on this one.
Glad to hear it! Josh brings a lot of knowledge and experience to the build!
Also, didn't see him use ketchup to drop the valves in, Jim...
In the middle of this video I researched their SBC Twisted Wedge heads. I was considering them for my last build, 20 years ago. They were not available. I now know why. Keep up the good work.
Twisted Wedge heads were designed for the 85-up Mustang 5.0 engine. They changed the valve angles to allow for bigger cams without having to flycut the pistons.
This is an awesome video! My dream has always been to use my GI Bill to go somewhere like SAM and then get a job at AFR/ Trickflow/ CFD
Awesome guys 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
I would be a LOT MORE EXCITED if this was being built for ME! But this is still very interesting getting to see what is possible from a 413 block. IMO, aftermarket heads are the way to go IF you can afford them. you can grind in those stock heads for weeks and NEVER even come close to what can be achieved with heads MADE for performance, rather than pushing a 5000 pound brick down the road.
Sweet!
They should do any filing or deburring with the surface tilted down so any material removed falls away and not down into the valves.
I had a set on mustang. I loved them.
A great finish...
We had a Italian Berco surface grinder...wet, them dress them stones...
Back in 1980...
It put a better finish than 18 micro inches Ra..
With our SJ-210 now which wasn't available then...
The Berco does like less than 10 micro inches Ra...
With another grind stone....almost mirror finish...
So long ago. I hope they still make the Berco. I hope so.
I could turn it on...dial 0.004..let it grind..while I go grind seats with the Sioux
Yeah we had that other head tool..
Float table...form tool WC three angles...
And I never played that 1 degree offset game like some factory grind...
Isn't it amazing...exhaust guide clearance like 0.035"..for say a 2" valve the worn engine can put out great power
What up with that ?
Anyway it was nice to see the folks care and so do you about the head machining...
How about better material for the valve guide..?
Isn't it shame....this engine is going to throw a rod...
Or be just a little lean...or have some ridiculous valve lift...few cam lobe will break down...and there goes that coarse polish powder thru the whole engine.
All to make the UA-cam audience have to see a big dyno number.
Sure- I love the power.
Can it match my good ol 7.3 IHC? 463K miles so far. I do change the oil. I am thinking she might ready for a new set of valve springs...just a loaf along engine. 300 hp down low...good enough for me.
Oh yes back to the racer...yap pour on the nitrous Boom...suck that exhaust valve.
Poor Trick Flow Head
I like a set.
Oh too bad...not for my tractor motor..
Trickflow makes really really nice stuff. that RA isn't just due to the machine process, it is also the quality of the casting. you need a really rigid casting, with good material and properly heat treated for a good RA. Be nice if we could get heads made out of hard aluminums like 7075, man it is super easy to get a good finish on 7075. IIRC trick flow uses heat treated 356 T6, machines nice, hold shape well, fairly hard.
I usually work on V8's, and other larger engines. Ended up working on this really small engine that had dropped a couple valves and wrecked the chambers. So, had to replace it as it wasn't machinable.
I called around to all the local wreckers, but after asking them how much they'd charge for a little head - they all hung up on me! :D
10:05 Truth Josh! 🤩
Let it rip Danner
@@Airman.. 🤘
show us clips of your efforts running!
Probably the best factory wedge head for Mopar's was the Max Wedge or the 300J heads....
I am very surprised you do not use beehive valve springs. They are very efficient I am told. A very informative video.
@EngineRehab jamsi is my neighbor and when I watch you on here, I'm impressed. Bring this professionalism to your channel.
After many years of having to put on my professional face every day, I’m happy that I’m in a position where I can choose to be silly and nonchalant.
@EngineRehab silly and nonchalant is fine. I'd watch this version of you all day. 🤝
@@dougdecker1261 get you someone who can do both!
Let's GO 😎
Notification squad Have a Great weekend!🔥🔥🔥
Cooooool,, 👍😎👍
My first set of aluminum heads were sbc EdelBrock rpm back in 1990 when they first came out i think they $825 from RHS
@22:00 the new head looks significantly wider on the intake side. Talk to me about this Nic or Josh and how is the intake manifold going to fit? OR I'll wait for the next episode!
That’s one of the reasons I went down there!
Seriously that guy deburring is cool, but on that DMG mill and your supplied mastercam license you should automate that too. Maybe because it’s a casting you don’t do it that way? On Fusion 360 it’s a few clicks of the mouse on the 5 axis I program.
Wouldn't you want a stronger valve spring to reduce the risk of Valve float??????? OMG this stuff is beyond me and thank you sooooo much for this video as it gave me a better understanding of a custom build and especially the flow characteristics of cylinder heads.
Those ARE stronger springs, but lighter.
@@hotpuppy1 yep, he mentioned like 60lbs or something like that?
If I had a set of those heads I don't know whether I'd put them on an engine or show them off in a display cabinet.
This is unrelated to this video but you made a video in the past about cleaning engine parts.
My question is, does cleaning in a similar manner to your process, ie. baking, blasting, washing, and the steelabrator do any damage to valve seats ? I was told this was a possibility by a local shop. I’m rebuilding a set of 390 Cadillac heads somewhat on the cheap and I need them cleaned well, but the seats and valves are all in good and reusable shape in my opinion and I don’t want to have new seats installed.
I Never hear of anyone clocking spark plugs like I used to do on my Pontiac engines ?!