I can't believe it took over a year to find your site on UA-cam. It has saved me from roaming the inter-web only to find what I was not looking for. No more headaches and shot nerves !
Dude, you delivered this info simple and concise. I'm coming from audio production so this is totally new to me but I learned quite a bit. Automatic sub dude. Keep it up!
Yeah! Totally Agreed, but nowadays Sony is providing BT2020 as a picture profile to shoot with great dynamic range and colours comparatively to Slog2/3 and people are taking advantages of it by converting those footages to Rec709, so i think Rec.2020 could be a game changer.
Shawn and Shanon hey man just saw your comment. I’m shooting on Sony. How do you convert rec 2020 to rec 709? I primarily shoot HLG 2 with rec 709 and it’s amazing but you mentioned the increase of dynamic range and I’d love to abuse this haha.
Thank you so much! I am coming to video from a music production background, so I am a little bewildered by the tons of color spaces and transforms and I REALLY need simplified things like this to get me started!
So in the REC.2100 options between PQ and HLG where lies the difference? My current editor (Wondershare Filmora) has recently been updated and whenever I expert a file in 4K 60fps I have the choice between REC.709 or REC.2100 HLG or REC.2100 PQ. I cannot find that much information about the difference between the last two but the few articles that I read most suggest using HLG. But it also appears that Filmora checks whether your monitor is capable of showing those colors. It appears my monitor cannot. Maybe others can, but my monitor appears not to. I have Samsung U32J59x 4K monitor.
Hi. Unsure if this issue is ONLY for Premiere but when rendering iPhone HDR footage using both 2020 and 2100, the video is overly exposed to where it's unusable. My workaround is using Rec 709 OR 2020 but also have to use a LUT to fix over exposure. Is this issue also occurring in Resolve? I'm new to editing and trying to get an in depth understanding on color and rendering.
This also happens in Final Cut Pro.. I have gotten iPhone footage in HDR and yes I need to place a LUT or a Rec 709 conversion to fix use the footage. I don't think it's just a Premiere issue. Hope this helps.
i recently found the answer for this problem, i've been using davinci and i had issues where my HDR iphone footage looks washed away once i import. But I started exporting , just changing the output gamma to Rec2020 Hlg in the export page, and wallah, the footage looks exactly like the iphone
I have a question. I’ve heard that sRGB uses its own transfer function (gamma curve) which basically is 2.2 but not quite. This leads me to the following question. Is Rec 709 exhibiting the same type of behavior in relation to the standard 2.4 gamma curve, like sRGB does in relation to the standard 2.2 gamma curve? Like, does Rec 709 also have its own special transfer function (gamma curve) like sRGB? Is there a difference between the Rec 709 gamma curve and the standard 2.4 gamma curve? Thank you in advanced!
SDR VIDEO Rec. 709 is basically sRGB in video *THE* *ONLY* *DIFFERENT* *IS* Rec. 709 *GAMMA* it is *BT.1886* (CRT emulation +OOTF) meaning it try to emulate CRT gamma by lifting the blacks how ever slightly Gamma 2.4 is for SDR can be used in SDR Video (BT.1886) Graded Gamma of the Video. Gamma 2.2 is standard because it's good in Bright Environment blacks is not deep and inky as the Step of Near Blacks.
Awesome explanation! Just one question.. Which one to use in UA-cam 4K video? I shoot with Canon R6 MK2, DJI mini 3 Pro and Galaxy S23 Ultra. Lenovo P1 G5 for editing.
So if I understood.... my delivery color space should be rec.2020 if Im uploading videos in 4K to Vimeo/UA-cam? (shooting on Panasonic v log 10bits 4.2.2 90% of the time)
Not necessarily. These are just the recommendations. Nothing to stop you adopting the 2020s resolution for your 709 project. I upload 4K with rec.709 gamma and gamut for all my videos as the extra resolution help mitigate a lot of compression artefacts. What I certainly wouldn’t recommend is using a 2020 timeline and delivery if you cannot actually monitor that color space!
@@FilmResolved ok, so if my monitor is a rec709 100% compatible, using a rec2020 timeline would not be useful at all. Is that correct? Thanks in advance!
Cheers Lee. Always great content man. Just getting to grips with editing and delighted to find a fellow Irishman representin on here! Mostly Actor director but putting out content so got to be a one-stop shop :) Keep er lit.
@@FilmResolved Totally brother. Making a sketch show atm so I need an accelerated learning curve re the edit. You don't waffle and get right to the meat which is great. Hope ur doing great man!
amazing, thank you for this. I wasn't sure what to do with my uhd HLG rec2020 footage in premiere with the new update (version 22.0), but now I know to simply use their rec2100 colour space. Thanks :)
So YT requirements Rec.2020 with PQ for HDR is incorrect, because Rec.2020 has no PQ/HLG, only Rec.2100 has PQ/HLG. Further Rec.2020 is for UHD content, while Rec.2100 is for HDR content, so YT should require Rec.2100 PQ for HDR and not Rec.2020 PQ. But so I guess it won't matter if I upload Rec.2100 PQ to YT, because the Colorspace is the same Rec.2020 anyway.
Great video. But for my real estate videos on Vimeo and UA-cam, I presently use rec 709A ,both in davinci and my iMac Pro color . Should I use rec 709 gamma 2020?
UA-cam is a Wild West of gamma and gamut combinations and you have a lot of room to deviate from these broadcast recommendations. For UA-cam uploads I always say, if it look like it’s meant to upon upload and processing then don’t worry about it! You should only worry about these details if you have very specific delivery requirements. Just as an example I use the rec.709 gamma and gamut but I upload in UHD which is a rec.2020 resolution. I mix and match 😂
Thankyou. I was deciding between Rec 709 and bt 2020. I figured since bt 2020 has more colors it should be better, right? But my camera doesn’t shoot 10-bit, and most of my footage will be posted online or personal use so rec 709 is recommended.
The question torments me))) maybe you know. Look, I'm displaying an HDR video and I know that it will look great on HDR. Computers, TVs, our phones. On TV and other devices that do not support HDR, it will look normal. But the question is whether it will look better if I do it not HDR but SDR on conventional devices that do not support HDR. I make an HDR video and watch it on a regular SDR TV. I make an SDR video by converting the color from 2020 to the 709 rivers and also watch it on the usual SDR. Which video will be better if they both look at SDR. In the first case when I made it for HDR or in the second when I translated it to rec 709 for SDR
İ struggle with V-Log in CST. İ have ProRes 422 HQ V-Log 10bit 3840x2160. So in Project settings: Timeline = Rec 2020, Output Rec 2020 & in CST (Node) V-Log , V-Gama, Rec 2020, Gama 2.4 is that correct ?
4:08 Thank you so much. I suppose that explains why I'm recording in HLG2 - BT.2020 but Davinci recognize the Input color space as Rec.2100 HLG. I thought it was doing it wrong but at the same time it looked better than choosing Rec.2020. Why it has to be so confusing?
Interesting video thanks, I'm trying to learn a little bit more as my projector has both options and auto (which always seems to default to BT.709. To me BT.2020 looks far superior even though reviews suggest my PJ Epson LS500 doesn't do much of the colour (50%) I think. The colours look far more vibrant and I've yet to see any downsides to sticking with BT.2020 even when watching 1080p or less material. Is there any issues with keeping the setting on BT.2020 for all material? I usually stream netflix, prime and disney so I get all different quality of content.
Hi, that’s a bit of a tricky one to answer as I don’t know the spacifics of the hardware so by all means take what I say with a pinch of salt as I am making presumptions here. Unless the content you’re streaming has been mastered for rec2020 there’s a good chance the image you’re seeing is the projects attempt to convert and output a different input and is quite likely an inaccurate representation of the intended image. Personally I could not do that as I need to see what the director/dp intended me to see, that said if you’re a more casual viewer and you simply prefer how that looks then power to you I say! Just know that there is a potential inaccuracy in the pipeline. You’re steaming services might very well detect the device and be streaming a “correct” image too.
@@FilmResolved Thanks, I will bare that in mind. I have an OLED TV underneath the projector and that is what I'm using as my reference as they supposedly have best in class colour reproduction. The BT.2020 setting always has it closer to OLED but like you I worry about it not showing as intended. I did try to find out what netflix disney etc output but could find a definite answer. Those and Prime make up 90% of my projector viewing along with occasional blu ray/blu ray 3d (which is incredible on this PJ :-)).
My reference display is 4k TV. It says on my specs the colour display is bt2020, so in my colour management in davinci should my settings be as follows, colour science : yrgb, timeline colour space: davinci wide gammut/ intermediate and output colour space rec2020 gamma 2.4. if this is correct how would the image look when graded viewed from another display.
wait, so if i have a 800x600 computer game, upscaled to 3 times it's size, do i use rec 601 or 2100? also, isn't it bad form for a standard to use the same name for a colorspace as well as a standard?
Why I see 4K and 8K HDR videos have Rec.709 8-bit instead of Rec. 2020 10-bit on UA-cam? I have iMac Pro 5K or Mac Pro with 6K XDR monitor that supports P3 wide color gamut, 10-bit per color of RGB. I don't see it says Rec.709 10-bit or Rec.2020 10-bit. P3 Monitors do not have the same color gamut Rec. of modern TVs. I don't think XDR is better than HDR; it's Apple monitor P3 XDR different from Rec.2100 HDR.
Wow there a lot in there! For your first question, assuming a video is labelled“HDR” and when looking at stats for nerds and it’s says rec.709, then for one reason or another, is NOT in HDR. For your second question I’m not quite sure what you’re asking but P3 is originally a cinema gamut not broadcast. Its larger than 709 but not as big as 2020. Right now 2020 is as good as a theoretical gamut as there’s not displays that can actually show that much color (at least nothing remotely affordable). It’s seems as though manufacturers adopted P3 from cinema as that’s where display tech is currently at.
@@FilmResolved It's a big problem for color accuracy of videos from cameras or camcorders to computer monitors to the TVs. We've watched many videos they look different from one source to another source.
thanks so much for this video. Someone told me to use a different color space for projection and tv or computer when exporting video. Any ideas about that?
Hi, curious, I understand the Nikon Z6 ii does 30fps 4k but it only records 8 bit internally (10 bit externally via hdmi). How is that possible if 4k appears to be Rec.2020 and Rec.2100 both of which have a minimum bit depth of 10?
That’s the recommendations as they’re specified, I can’t answer why most camera manufacturers are selling cameras that aren’t actually meeting the specs. If I had to guess...money (always is). You have platforms like UA-cam that are a spec Wild West and you can sell millions of prosumer cameras with buzz words like 4K and HDR why wouldn’t they milk that cash cow 🤷♂️ sorry I don’t have a technically sound definitive answer on this one but this is why a legitimate professional video or cinema camera WILL have these specs.
export to Rec 2020 4k source means the video will be sharper thant if i choose rec 709 for the same 4k video source? I was thinking it only was gamma and color gamut change and not the resolution^^
If I'm using my uhd TV as my viewing monitor in davinci what should my colour settings in davinci colour management be set to should I set for rec 709, rec 2020 or srgb can someone throw some light on this for me please.
I have a question. I uploaded a video from final cut pro x to youtube, for some reason in fcpx and also while viewing it on my mac in quicktime it looks perfect, but after i upload it to youtube the video gets darker and the colors are washed out. Driving me crazy. It didnt do it with other videos Ive done and the only thing i can think of i did different is have the project in 2020 instead of 709 but i still exported both in 709. Tried changing settings on my chrombook and looked at it on my tv too, both still dark an washed out, only looks right on mac.. any idea why this is happening or could the difference in settings for my project mbe doing this? thanks
There is a good chance your project is settings is what’s causing this. You say your exporting Rec.709, are you doing this by using the gamma and color space tags in your render settings. It sounds to me like these are being left set to “same as project” and because your project is set to 2020 the video is being tagged with metadata that is causing UA-cam to misinterpret the footage upon upload.
I shoot on the Sony A7III (nice video btw). You mentioned that rec 2020 defines 10/12 bits. Does that mean I would be shooting at 10bit? Or am I just at the traditional 8bit. (Ik it’s a dumb question)
Also if there isn’t a screen to support BT2020 doesn’t that mean it just gets converted automatically to rec 709 when imported into premiere (or any editing program)
Hey! Not a dumb question at all :) So on that camera you're just at 8-bit sadly. So while no screens currently do Rec.2020 many do P3 or a good percentage of P3 for example my living room TV isnt particulrly high end but covers 90% of P3. Anyway to answer your second question, most software will default to Rec.709 as a working color space / gamma (though unless it's some sort of color magagment it's not conveter rather being displayed in Rec.709 hence why clips appear flat and or desaturated depending on capture gamma). But you can change that default if you like but remember there is a difference between converting to and grading within a smaller color space / gamma. Hope that helps :)
@@FilmResolved Wow thank you! Underrated channel! Keep it up. Although I'm not a Davinci Resolve guy (YET) your videos are very informative regardless. Thank you.
That really depends on what your requirements are and what workflow you’re willing to undertake. All I can really say is capture a gamma and color space that at least capture your intended delivery, if not more, so you can grade and finalise later. I would recommend cine 1 or 4 and pro color as a good starting point though if you’re not ready to dive into log yet.
Awesome! i use my Sony a6400 and sigma 16mm f1.4 mostly for low light scenarios. i mostly use "Gamma Still" and "Color Mode - Pro". Finally i always export in 3840x2160. Should i use Rec.2020 or rec.709? i see that rec.709 spacial resolution is 1920x1080 but my sony's bit Depth is 8bit. i am confused...... i am always editing with rec709 profile on my Benq monitor but when i switch to srgb i get a lighter image with less deep blacks, do you think it's normal? thank you so much!!!!!!
I need to grade UHD slog3 footage . To be mastered to UHD and HD. Can I grade in Rec 2020 and master both versions without losing detail in the HD version?
@@FilmResolved Thank you for getting back to me. The deliverables are UHD (Rec 2020) and HD (709). Budget only allows 1 round of color, is it safer to grade in color space 709, and change it to Rec 2020 for UHD mastering
You would typically master to the bigger specs and go down from there where required. Remember these are just recommendations (rec) so make sure that they’re looking for a change in color space and not just resolution because it’s not uncommon to deliver rec.709 gamma and gamut but in 3840x2160 resolution. And you’ll have great difficulty monitoring a 2020 gamut.
Hi thanks for your content thats helpfulllll. I have a question please If i use hlg3/bt2020 and export for rec709/1920*1080 is it going to flatten my colors or not ?
If you are capturing hlg3/bt2020 to have more information for grading in a 709 timeline then you’re fine as you’ll be manipulating the footage to work within 709. If however you intend on actually displaying that extra dynamic range and color then you are loosing information by exporting to rec.709 as it’s a small gamma and gamut.
@@FilmResolved thank you very much i watch your other videos. So if i understand rec 2100 and 2020 have same color Space it dépend on what résolution i need after ?
No problem! The most important thing to remember is that unless you are delivering to broadcast that you can kind of do what ever you like! These are just recommendations:)
And here I am wondering what to do with my gorpro Hero 3+ footage shot in protune wich aparently is another colorspace but should be like rec.709 10-bit... Aaaanyways, nice vídeo man, helped me clear up some confusión and saved my a good bit of reserach.
GoPros are all 8-bit and use sRGB colorspace. It's similar to Rec.709. Protune is not a colorspace. Protune is the setting you turn on which gives you higher recording bitrate and a couple more settings. It gives you two profiles for color: Flat or GoPro Color. Flat is GoPro's version of a Log gamma curve. GoPro color is just trying to make it look good without grading. You should probably use Flat if you're going to do any grading. And you should definitely NOT use Flat if you're not going to grade it in post.
@@RaquelFoster Yeah, I messed that one up! Thanks for the correction (flat color vs. Protune). With the hero3+ when shooting in protune mode and converting it to cineform in the defunct GoPro studio app gives you a sRGB 10bit 4.2.0 Avi file. they apparently moved away from that strategy in newer cameras. GoPro is confusing as all hell sometimes.
@@sk8lucas I googled around and the Hero 3 is the only GoPro I can find any evidence of anybody saying it can do 10-bit. And it also outputs 10-bit over HDMI!
The letter boxing is just overlaid to achieve the 2:1 aspect I like to use for this studio set up. The actually video is 3840x2160 just several thousand of those pixels are black in the form of those letterboxes. I opt for 3849x2160 for the videos on this channel because I often mix aspect ratios such as 16:9 for screen recording when doing software tutorials and also most cutaways / overlays, 2:1 for the studio set up, 2.35,2.39 and 2.40 for shot recreation etc. In short UHD 16:9 is the best canvas for my workflow in terms of fitting my mix of aspect ratio onto. Hope that makes some sense
Hi! Really simply and nice tutorial. Whats happen if you edit a video in Rec. 709 and then you go to reproduce it in a monitor color space Rec.2020? Whats happens with the quality of the image? how it looks?
It would look fine (granted the display isn’t trying to convert it on the fly) as it’s simply a smaller color space displayed on a display that has headroom for a bigger color space. Think about a physical item... a small box in a bigger room is fine. How ever say you mastered in Rec.709 and tried to rerender that 709 file to 2020, then the image would break (most common artefact would be banding and chroma noise). Again to bring it back to physical items. Small box in a big room is fine, small box trying to fill the big room, well you’d tear the box to shreds! Hope that makes some sense :)
Depends on just what specs you go for, minimum specs of 4K or UHD 10bit 4:2:2 is 8.91Gbps according to cable manufacturers charts. But that’s probably accommodating an uncompressed signal.
Yes, you can mix and match these setting how ever you like. Just make sure where ever you intent to deliver it to will accept what you are giving them!
That’s totally up to you and your workflow / delivery requirements. If your grading your footage you may as well stay with 2020 and have a lot more color to play with. What is it you’re looking to achieve? I’ll be able to answer better 🤙
@@FilmResolved i do color grading and want cinematic video... im just wondeting if i can use my 2020 footage on adobe premiere pro and export it 1080 hd for youtude
@@FilmResolved merci ;) so why there is video on youtube saying that people convert ther 2020 ro 709 ??? Why somewone would want to convert ther 2020?? Ps i shoot in sony a7iii pp10 hlg2 2020 ...
Becuase there are no displays that can actually show rec2020 and right now with current display technology we only record rec2020 (or other similar large color spaces) to have more flexibility in the grade. Because the majority of content is still consumed in rec.709 we convert to this so when we are grading we are view an image our display is actually capable of showing. If you’re playing back hlg2/rec2020 on a standard screen you’re not actually seeing all that luminance and color information. Think of rec2020 as a box of crayons with 20 colors and the paper you’re drawing is rec709 and can only take 10 colors. It’s great to have 20 colors to play with but in the end you can only use 10.
Honestly UA-cam is a wild west for specs with a lot of wiggle room. These are broadcast standards and would have to be adhered to rigorously if your were delivering for broadcast. But to answer your question for 1920*1080p60 yes I would go with bt.709 (if the footage is SDR). If you want the slightly wider aspect ratio of 2k then master it within a HD timeline where it’s slightly scaled down with letterboxing on the top and bottom. Hope that makes some sense!
I can't believe it took over a year to find your site on UA-cam. It has saved me from roaming the inter-web only to find what I was not looking for. No more headaches and shot nerves !
Dude, you delivered this info simple and concise. I'm coming from audio production so this is totally new to me but I learned quite a bit. Automatic sub dude. Keep it up!
There‘s no screen on the market nowadays wich can show BT2020, so it can only be used as a container actually. Good explanation! 👍
Yeah! Totally Agreed, but nowadays Sony is providing BT2020 as a picture profile to shoot with great dynamic range and colours comparatively to Slog2/3 and people are taking advantages of it by converting those footages to Rec709, so i think Rec.2020 could be a game changer.
Shawn and Shanon absolutely! Canon Canon can too and BT2020 is the future. I guess that‘s the reason why UA-cam uses BT2020 for hdr instead of P3.
@@ShawnMiltonSinger i shoot hlg 2020 on my a7iii, how can i convert it to 709 ??
Shawn and Shanon hey man just saw your comment. I’m shooting on Sony. How do you convert rec 2020 to rec 709? I primarily shoot HLG 2 with rec 709 and it’s amazing but you mentioned the increase of dynamic range and I’d love to abuse this haha.
@@nodaska19 You can simply choose the ColorSpaceTransformOFX and as input Rec2020 and as output Rec709. That's one way.
Jesus christ FINALLY!!!! The graph was everything!!!!! Why the hell did it take so long to find this video!!!
for me this is exactly how i wanted to find out differences. thanks a lot
Me too
Your videos are so great man, I really hope your channel grows and you keep making great content!
Thank you so much, the support from people like you has been incredible! Here's to learning and growing together :)
Thank you so much! I am coming to video from a music production background, so I am a little bewildered by the tons of color spaces and transforms and I REALLY need simplified things like this to get me started!
Same here. Love it
So in the REC.2100 options between PQ and HLG where lies the difference? My current editor (Wondershare Filmora) has recently been updated and whenever I expert a file in 4K 60fps I have the choice between REC.709 or REC.2100 HLG or REC.2100 PQ. I cannot find that much information about the difference between the last two but the few articles that I read most suggest using HLG. But it also appears that Filmora checks whether your monitor is capable of showing those colors. It appears my monitor cannot. Maybe others can, but my monitor appears not to. I have Samsung U32J59x 4K monitor.
i have the exact same doubts with the same software
Hi. Unsure if this issue is ONLY for Premiere but when rendering iPhone HDR footage using both 2020 and 2100, the video is overly exposed to where it's unusable. My workaround is using Rec 709 OR 2020 but also have to use a LUT to fix over exposure. Is this issue also occurring in Resolve? I'm new to editing and trying to get an in depth understanding on color and rendering.
This also happens in Final Cut Pro.. I have gotten iPhone footage in HDR and yes I need to place a LUT or a Rec 709 conversion to fix use the footage. I don't think it's just a Premiere issue. Hope this helps.
i recently found the answer for this problem, i've been using davinci and i had issues where my HDR iphone footage looks washed away once i import. But I started exporting , just changing the output gamma to Rec2020 Hlg in the export page, and wallah, the footage looks exactly like the iphone
Broo I love your content. Very helpful . And also I love your video production quality.. keep it up.. thank you ..❤️
Appreciate the kind words! Thank you 🙏
Exactly the amount of detail I wanted to know about this. Well done
I have a question.
I’ve heard that sRGB uses its own transfer function (gamma curve) which basically is 2.2 but not quite.
This leads me to the following question.
Is Rec 709 exhibiting the same type of behavior in relation to the standard 2.4 gamma curve, like sRGB does in relation to the standard 2.2 gamma curve?
Like, does Rec 709 also have its own special transfer function (gamma curve) like sRGB?
Is there a difference between the Rec 709 gamma curve and the standard 2.4 gamma curve?
Thank you in advanced!
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Rec. 709 is basically sRGB in video *THE* *ONLY* *DIFFERENT* *IS* Rec. 709 *GAMMA* it is *BT.1886* (CRT emulation +OOTF) meaning it try to emulate CRT gamma by lifting the blacks how ever slightly
Gamma 2.4 is for SDR can be used in SDR Video (BT.1886) Graded Gamma of the Video. Gamma 2.2 is standard because it's good in Bright Environment blacks is not deep and inky as the Step of Near Blacks.
I though something was off... Now I understand why my G9 "Rec.2020 HLG" footage appears as Rec.2100 HLG in Davinci Resolve.
Top notch infiormation.
Awesome video, thanks. Exactly the information I was looking for, and couldn't find anywhere else.
Awesome explanation!
Just one question.. Which one to use in UA-cam 4K video?
I shoot with Canon R6 MK2, DJI mini 3 Pro and Galaxy S23 Ultra.
Lenovo P1 G5 for editing.
I learned a lot and I’d been color grading wrong for years. I’m going rec2020 for now on.
Thank you, that was exactly what I need 👏🏼
So if I understood.... my delivery
color space should be rec.2020 if Im uploading videos in 4K to Vimeo/UA-cam? (shooting on Panasonic v log 10bits 4.2.2 90% of the time)
Not necessarily. These are just the recommendations. Nothing to stop you adopting the 2020s resolution for your 709 project. I upload 4K with rec.709 gamma and gamut for all my videos as the extra resolution help mitigate a lot of compression artefacts. What I certainly wouldn’t recommend is using a 2020 timeline and delivery if you cannot actually monitor that color space!
@@FilmResolved ok, so if my monitor is a rec709 100% compatible, using a rec2020 timeline would not be useful at all. Is that correct?
Thanks in advance!
Correct. You cannot see the addition color so you’d be grading blind essentially
This is amazing explaination, thank you so much!
What i dont get is that people film in 60 fps and above but its still 709?
Cheers Lee. Always great content man. Just getting to grips with editing and delighted to find a fellow Irishman representin on here! Mostly Actor director but putting out content so got to be a one-stop shop :) Keep er lit.
Always happy to hear from fellow Irishman 🤙 hope the content is helping you in your journey!
@@FilmResolved Totally brother. Making a sketch show atm so I need an accelerated learning curve re the edit. You don't waffle and get right to the meat which is great. Hope ur doing great man!
amazing, thank you for this. I wasn't sure what to do with my uhd HLG rec2020 footage in premiere with the new update (version 22.0), but now I know to simply use their rec2100 colour space. Thanks :)
I've been using Premiere and when rendering HDR iPhone footage using 2100, the video is overly exposed and just unusable.
This is very informative, thank you
Searched for "rec.2020".
This is first in the list.
Thank you and have a good one.
Simple and to the point.. Thanks.
Excellent. Just what I was looking for. Rec709 is spec up to 60fps though.
This videos was made with PAL in mind but yes in NTSC it’s up to 60 👍
So YT requirements Rec.2020 with PQ for HDR is incorrect, because Rec.2020 has no PQ/HLG, only Rec.2100 has PQ/HLG.
Further Rec.2020 is for UHD content, while Rec.2100 is for HDR content, so YT should require Rec.2100 PQ for HDR and not Rec.2020 PQ.
But so I guess it won't matter if I upload Rec.2100 PQ to YT, because the Colorspace is the same Rec.2020 anyway.
Extremely helpful.
Cool video but maybe adding shots to compare would be much more didactive
2:38 Don't you mean 60 frames per second? You might be from the PAL region, but REC.709 can go up to 60fps.
Fair point, I should have kept my NTSC counterparts in full consideration. Lesson learned, thanks for flagging it 👍
@@FilmResolved I believe it's ATSC right now for both 1080i and 720p.
Great video. But for my real estate videos on Vimeo and UA-cam, I presently use rec 709A ,both in davinci and my iMac Pro color . Should I use rec 709 gamma 2020?
UA-cam is a Wild West of gamma and gamut combinations and you have a lot of room to deviate from these broadcast recommendations. For UA-cam uploads I always say, if it look like it’s meant to upon upload and processing then don’t worry about it! You should only worry about these details if you have very specific delivery requirements. Just as an example I use the rec.709 gamma and gamut but I upload in UHD which is a rec.2020 resolution. I mix and match 😂
Extra note, unless you’re looking to do a specific upload such as HDR where you’ll want to look up what UA-cam need and adhere to it
Thankyou. I was deciding between Rec 709 and bt 2020. I figured since bt 2020 has more colors it should be better, right? But my camera doesn’t shoot 10-bit, and most of my footage will be posted online or personal use so rec 709 is recommended.
Very helpful. Thank you.
The question torments me))) maybe you know. Look, I'm displaying an HDR video and I know that it will look great on HDR. Computers, TVs, our phones. On TV and other devices that do not support HDR, it will look normal. But the question is whether it will look better if I do it not HDR but SDR on conventional devices that do not support HDR.
I make an HDR video and watch it on a regular SDR TV.
I make an SDR video by converting the color from 2020 to the 709 rivers and also watch it on the usual SDR. Which video will be better if they both look at SDR. In the first case when I made it for HDR or in the second when I translated it to rec 709 for SDR
Hi. I have a Sony a7c and I shoot in HLG 8 bits, I output HDR content. Should I withdraw from HLG BT2020 to rec709 SDR? Or better HDR?
thank you very much for the clarification
Glad it was helpful!
This is amazing thank you!
...and now we need a tutorial, how to deliver the different types in davinci resolve, right? :-)
Great video, but hard to follow the white font on white/yellow background..
İ struggle with V-Log in CST. İ have ProRes 422 HQ V-Log 10bit 3840x2160. So in Project settings: Timeline = Rec 2020, Output Rec 2020 & in CST (Node) V-Log , V-Gama, Rec 2020, Gama 2.4 is that correct ?
Hi, nice video but what about BT 1886? Isn't that the recommended transfer function now? Is it actually being used the industry?
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4:08 Thank you so much. I suppose that explains why I'm recording in HLG2 - BT.2020 but Davinci recognize the Input color space as Rec.2100 HLG. I thought it was doing it wrong but at the same time it looked better than choosing Rec.2020. Why it has to be so confusing?
Interesting video thanks, I'm trying to learn a little bit more as my projector has both options and auto (which always seems to default to BT.709. To me BT.2020 looks far superior even though reviews suggest my PJ Epson LS500 doesn't do much of the colour (50%) I think. The colours look far more vibrant and I've yet to see any downsides to sticking with BT.2020 even when watching 1080p or less material. Is there any issues with keeping the setting on BT.2020 for all material? I usually stream netflix, prime and disney so I get all different quality of content.
Hi, that’s a bit of a tricky one to answer as I don’t know the spacifics of the hardware so by all means take what I say with a pinch of salt as I am making presumptions here. Unless the content you’re streaming has been mastered for rec2020 there’s a good chance the image you’re seeing is the projects attempt to convert and output a different input and is quite likely an inaccurate representation of the intended image. Personally I could not do that as I need to see what the director/dp intended me to see, that said if you’re a more casual viewer and you simply prefer how that looks then power to you I say! Just know that there is a potential inaccuracy in the pipeline. You’re steaming services might very well detect the device and be streaming a “correct” image too.
@@FilmResolved Thanks, I will bare that in mind. I have an OLED TV underneath the projector and that is what I'm using as my reference as they supposedly have best in class colour reproduction. The BT.2020 setting always has it closer to OLED but like you I worry about it not showing as intended. I did try to find out what netflix disney etc output but could find a definite answer. Those and Prime make up 90% of my projector viewing along with occasional blu ray/blu ray 3d (which is incredible on this PJ :-)).
Kinda get it, but what I'll do with an 8bit 1080 60p footage? :D
My reference display is 4k TV. It says on my specs the colour display is bt2020, so in my colour management in davinci should my settings be as follows, colour science : yrgb, timeline colour space: davinci wide gammut/ intermediate and output colour space rec2020 gamma 2.4. if this is correct how would the image look when graded viewed from another display.
wait, so if i have a 800x600 computer game, upscaled to 3 times it's size, do i use rec 601 or 2100? also, isn't it bad form for a standard to use the same name for a colorspace as well as a standard?
Why I see 4K and 8K HDR videos have Rec.709 8-bit instead of Rec. 2020 10-bit on UA-cam?
I have iMac Pro 5K or Mac Pro with 6K XDR monitor that supports P3 wide color gamut, 10-bit per color of RGB. I don't see it says Rec.709 10-bit or Rec.2020 10-bit. P3 Monitors do not have the same color gamut Rec. of modern TVs. I don't think XDR is better than HDR; it's Apple monitor P3 XDR different from Rec.2100 HDR.
Wow there a lot in there! For your first question, assuming a video is labelled“HDR” and when looking at stats for nerds and it’s says rec.709, then for one reason or another, is NOT in HDR. For your second question I’m not quite sure what you’re asking but P3 is originally a cinema gamut not broadcast. Its larger than 709 but not as big as 2020. Right now 2020 is as good as a theoretical gamut as there’s not displays that can actually show that much color (at least nothing remotely affordable). It’s seems as though manufacturers adopted P3 from cinema as that’s where display tech is currently at.
@@FilmResolved It's a big problem for color accuracy of videos from cameras or camcorders to computer monitors to the TVs. We've watched many videos they look different from one source to another source.
Just what is I curious about thanks for this tutorial
when i film with sony a74, slog3, which one can I use?
My Sony Xperia XZ3 phone has got a 2880p×1440p aspect ratio resolution and an OLED HDR BT.2020 screen. So what does the BT.2020 in it means?
I work with premiere pro. I tend to export in Rec 2100, thinking the image quality, at least the dynamic range is goind to be better. Am I wrong ?
thanks so much for this video. Someone told me to use a different color space for projection and tv or computer when exporting video. Any ideas about that?
Amazing!
when to choose the 2100 over the 2020 at the exportation of a 4k video ?
I'm still confused about the term but less than with most other videos. I feel like I'm overthinking what this stuff all means.
Hello I"m new subscriber thanks for this tip.
Hi, curious, I understand the Nikon Z6 ii does 30fps 4k but it only records 8 bit internally (10 bit externally via hdmi). How is that possible if 4k appears to be Rec.2020 and Rec.2100 both of which have a minimum bit depth of 10?
That’s the recommendations as they’re specified, I can’t answer why most camera manufacturers are selling cameras that aren’t actually meeting the specs. If I had to guess...money (always is). You have platforms like UA-cam that are a spec Wild West and you can sell millions of prosumer cameras with buzz words like 4K and HDR why wouldn’t they milk that cash cow 🤷♂️ sorry I don’t have a technically sound definitive answer on this one but this is why a legitimate professional video or cinema camera WILL have these specs.
export to Rec 2020 4k source means the video will be sharper thant if i choose rec 709 for the same 4k video source? I was thinking it only was gamma and color gamut change and not the resolution^^
Is HLG at all an option on computer monitors or only on TVs?
If I'm using my uhd TV as my viewing monitor in davinci what should my colour settings in davinci colour management be set to should I set for rec 709, rec 2020 or srgb can someone throw some light on this for me please.
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Very useful videos content
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I have a question. I uploaded a video from final cut pro x to youtube, for some reason in fcpx and also while viewing it on my mac in quicktime it looks perfect, but after i upload it to youtube the video gets darker and the colors are washed out. Driving me crazy. It didnt do it with other videos Ive done and the only thing i can think of i did different is have the project in 2020 instead of 709 but i still exported both in 709. Tried changing settings on my chrombook and looked at it on my tv too, both still dark an washed out, only looks right on mac.. any idea why this is happening or could the difference in settings for my project mbe doing this? thanks
There is a good chance your project is settings is what’s causing this. You say your exporting Rec.709, are you doing this by using the gamma and color space tags in your render settings. It sounds to me like these are being left set to “same as project” and because your project is set to 2020 the video is being tagged with metadata that is causing UA-cam to misinterpret the footage upon upload.
Could i use bt 2020 in my tv samsung un65hu9000 with tivo stream 4k?
I shoot on the Sony A7III (nice video btw). You mentioned that rec 2020 defines 10/12 bits. Does that mean I would be shooting at 10bit? Or am I just at the traditional 8bit. (Ik it’s a dumb question)
Also if there isn’t a screen to support BT2020 doesn’t that mean it just gets converted automatically to rec 709 when imported into premiere (or any editing program)
Hey! Not a dumb question at all :) So on that camera you're just at 8-bit sadly.
So while no screens currently do Rec.2020 many do P3 or a good percentage of P3 for example my living room TV isnt particulrly high end but covers 90% of P3.
Anyway to answer your second question, most software will default to Rec.709 as a working color space / gamma (though unless it's some sort of color magagment it's not conveter rather being displayed in Rec.709 hence why clips appear flat and or desaturated depending on capture gamma). But you can change that default if you like but remember there is a difference between converting to and grading within a smaller color space / gamma.
Hope that helps :)
@@FilmResolved Wow thank you! Underrated channel! Keep it up. Although I'm not a Davinci Resolve guy (YET) your videos are very informative regardless. Thank you.
No, thank you! While I work in Resolve I cover a lot of universal topics so I hope you get something out of the channel :)
Thanks, good explaination. What would you use in Sony A6600 (8bit) for 4K videos please?
Thank you very much! Is your question in relation to capture or delivery?
@@FilmResolved capture pls. thanks
That really depends on what your requirements are and what workflow you’re willing to undertake. All I can really say is capture a gamma and color space that at least capture your intended delivery, if not more, so you can grade and finalise later. I would recommend cine 1 or 4 and pro color as a good starting point though if you’re not ready to dive into log yet.
@@FilmResolved Thanks for your time!
Awesome! i use my Sony a6400 and sigma 16mm f1.4 mostly for low light scenarios. i mostly use "Gamma Still" and "Color Mode - Pro". Finally i always export in 3840x2160. Should i use Rec.2020 or rec.709? i see that rec.709 spacial resolution is 1920x1080 but my sony's bit Depth is 8bit. i am confused...... i am always editing with rec709 profile on my Benq monitor but when i switch to srgb i get a lighter image with less deep blacks, do you think it's normal? thank you so much!!!!!!
Use Rec.709 and keep your monitor set to Rec.709. sRGB is a photography color space.
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DCI-P3 COLOR SPACE ?
I need to grade UHD slog3 footage . To be mastered to UHD and HD. Can I grade in Rec 2020 and master both versions without losing detail in the HD version?
Is it just the resolution you’ll be altering between the mastering?
@@FilmResolved Thank you for getting back to me. The deliverables are UHD (Rec 2020) and HD (709). Budget only allows 1 round of color, is it safer to grade in color space 709, and change it to Rec 2020 for UHD mastering
You would typically master to the bigger specs and go down from there where required. Remember these are just recommendations (rec) so make sure that they’re looking for a change in color space and not just resolution because it’s not uncommon to deliver rec.709 gamma and gamut but in 3840x2160 resolution. And you’ll have great difficulty monitoring a 2020 gamut.
Hi thanks for your content thats helpfulllll. I have a question please
If i use hlg3/bt2020 and export for rec709/1920*1080 is it going to flatten my colors or not ?
If you are capturing hlg3/bt2020 to have more information for grading in a 709 timeline then you’re fine as you’ll be manipulating the footage to work within 709. If however you intend on actually displaying that extra dynamic range and color then you are loosing information by exporting to rec.709 as it’s a small gamma and gamut.
@@FilmResolved thank you very much i watch your other videos.
So if i understand rec 2100 and 2020 have same color Space it dépend on what résolution i need after ?
And if your gamma is HDR or SDR. Rec.2100 must have a HDR gamma and can be as low as 1920*1080.
@@FilmResolved im confuse thanks a lot m'y knowledge is to low im gonna follow your setting. Thanks to take Time to reply. Keep it UP( from France )
No problem! The most important thing to remember is that unless you are delivering to broadcast that you can kind of do what ever you like! These are just recommendations:)
Thank you..
Great
And here I am wondering what to do with my gorpro Hero 3+ footage shot in protune wich aparently is another colorspace but should be like rec.709 10-bit...
Aaaanyways, nice vídeo man, helped me clear up some confusión and saved my a good bit of reserach.
GoPros are all 8-bit and use sRGB colorspace. It's similar to Rec.709. Protune is not a colorspace. Protune is the setting you turn on which gives you higher recording bitrate and a couple more settings. It gives you two profiles for color: Flat or GoPro Color. Flat is GoPro's version of a Log gamma curve. GoPro color is just trying to make it look good without grading. You should probably use Flat if you're going to do any grading. And you should definitely NOT use Flat if you're not going to grade it in post.
@@RaquelFoster Yeah, I messed that one up! Thanks for the correction (flat color vs. Protune).
With the hero3+ when shooting in protune mode and converting it to cineform in the defunct GoPro studio app gives you a sRGB 10bit 4.2.0 Avi file. they apparently moved away from that strategy in newer cameras. GoPro is confusing as all hell sometimes.
@@sk8lucas I googled around and the Hero 3 is the only GoPro I can find any evidence of anybody saying it can do 10-bit. And it also outputs 10-bit over HDMI!
isn't 3840x2160 16:9? why is the video letterboxed?
The letter boxing is just overlaid to achieve the 2:1 aspect I like to use for this studio set up. The actually video is 3840x2160 just several thousand of those pixels are black in the form of those letterboxes. I opt for 3849x2160 for the videos on this channel because I often mix aspect ratios such as 16:9 for screen recording when doing software tutorials and also most cutaways / overlays, 2:1 for the studio set up, 2.35,2.39 and 2.40 for shot recreation etc. In short UHD 16:9 is the best canvas for my workflow in terms of fitting my mix of aspect ratio onto. Hope that makes some sense
Hi! Really simply and nice tutorial. Whats happen if you edit a video in Rec. 709 and then you go to reproduce it in a monitor color space Rec.2020? Whats happens with the quality of the image? how it looks?
It would look fine (granted the display isn’t trying to convert it on the fly) as it’s simply a smaller color space displayed on a display that has headroom for a bigger color space. Think about a physical item... a small box in a bigger room is fine. How ever say you mastered in Rec.709 and tried to rerender that 709 file to 2020, then the image would break (most common artefact would be banding and chroma noise). Again to bring it back to physical items. Small box in a big room is fine, small box trying to fill the big room, well you’d tear the box to shreds! Hope that makes some sense :)
@@FilmResolved ok! perfect answer! Thank you so much!
What's would be the bandwidth requirement for Rec 2020?
Depends on just what specs you go for, minimum specs of 4K or UHD 10bit 4:2:2 is 8.91Gbps according to cable manufacturers charts. But that’s probably accommodating an uncompressed signal.
Sorry, what does BT mean?
I believe it stands for B = Broadcasting services and T denotes that it is for Television. Typically written as Broadcast Services (Television).
What is the peak brightness of rec.709
100 nits
Hi, can we use rec 2020 and export in hd?
Yes, you can mix and match these setting how ever you like. Just make sure where ever you intent to deliver it to will accept what you are giving them!
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i shoote videos on my sony a7iii hlg with 2020. ... should i change for hlg 709 ??
That’s totally up to you and your workflow / delivery requirements. If your grading your footage you may as well stay with 2020 and have a lot more color to play with. What is it you’re looking to achieve? I’ll be able to answer better 🤙
@@FilmResolved i do color grading and want cinematic video... im just wondeting if i can use my 2020 footage on adobe premiere pro and export it 1080 hd for youtude
Short answer is yes 🤙
@@FilmResolved merci ;) so why there is video on youtube saying that people convert ther 2020 ro 709 ??? Why somewone would want to convert ther 2020?? Ps i shoot in sony a7iii pp10 hlg2 2020 ...
Becuase there are no displays that can actually show rec2020 and right now with current display technology we only record rec2020 (or other similar large color spaces) to have more flexibility in the grade.
Because the majority of content is still consumed in rec.709 we convert to this so when we are grading we are view an image our display is actually capable of showing.
If you’re playing back hlg2/rec2020 on a standard screen you’re not actually seeing all that luminance and color information.
Think of rec2020 as a box of crayons with 20 colors and the paper you’re drawing is rec709 and can only take 10 colors. It’s great to have 20 colors to play with but in the end you can only use 10.
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And for 2k resolution ????
That’s DCI so it’s a cinema standard, not a broadcast standard.
@@FilmResolved so, if I want put a 1920x1080p60 video on yt I must have Bt.709?
Honestly UA-cam is a wild west for specs with a lot of wiggle room. These are broadcast standards and would have to be adhered to rigorously if your were delivering for broadcast. But to answer your question for 1920*1080p60 yes I would go with bt.709 (if the footage is SDR). If you want the slightly wider aspect ratio of 2k then master it within a HD timeline where it’s slightly scaled down with letterboxing on the top and bottom. Hope that makes some sense!
@@FilmResolved no, 2k doesn t interest me, im asking u if a 1920x1080p 60 sdr video in yt need bt709, but thanks for answers
You start by asking “and for 2k resolution????” But okay 🤷♂️
4:07 what are PQ / HLG?
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Just info from Wikipedia without any explanation. If I want see table I google it.
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