Behringer Poly D - Final Thoughts

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  • Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
  • Here are my final thoughts on the Poly D after owning and playing it for 10 or more weeks. This is my third video on the Poly D and I think it is now time to move on and make a video about another piece of hardware.
    You can listen to the soundtrack on SoundCloud here:
    / poly-d-final-thoughts

КОМЕНТАРІ • 267

  • @Thoracius
    @Thoracius 3 роки тому +37

    The click thing is fairly normal on a lot of synthesizers. Any time you have a super fast release that chops a waveform mid cycle, you'll hear that as a click, especially on a low frequency sound with not a lot of overtones. Essentially you're briefly changing a smooth sine-like curve into a square, if that helps you visualize why you'd hear that as a transient higher frequency.
    Another common cause of release clicks is if you do the opposite -- have a fast release on filter and slow one on the amp. You'll hear the sudden change in timbre as a click.

    • @InnerPeaceSounds
      @InnerPeaceSounds 2 роки тому +1

      Frankly, I actually like these clicks!

    • @jokeyman2943
      @jokeyman2943 Рік тому

      Of course. anyone whose had any experience playing the original analog controls to change the the attack, decay, release etc. should know that!

    • @eyeopner
      @eyeopner Рік тому

      This, I've only been messing with synths for a short while and It seemed pretty obvious to me.. Looks like he's got quite a good amount of gear and seems strange that wasn't something he'd experienced with other synths... maybe my budget isn't high enough and this doesn't happen on more expensive equipment?

    • @chakko007
      @chakko007 6 місяців тому +1

      @@InnerPeaceSounds They can be used in a very musical way.
      In this case though, the control he's operating should indeed make no difference, as it's the decay control, and release isn't activated for the envelope, which the decay control will control, if it's activated. It basically does nothing to the sound, yet it eliminates the click. I think he's right that there's something odd going on.
      Would be interesting if the same happens on the Model D.

  • @TimShoebridge
    @TimShoebridge  5 років тому +101

    Feedback just received from Behringer: They are aware of the midi issue and will have a fix available very soon.
    UPDATE: New firmware v1.08 now available but you need Synth Tool v2.3.5 to install it. Thanks a lot to Mike G for providing this info.

    • @Kiracki
      @Kiracki 5 років тому +1

      Tim Shoebridge I am also having the same problem- also using cubase. there seems to be a firmware update out since yesterday which adresses this issue (v 1.0.8).

    • @netztherapie5723
      @netztherapie5723 5 років тому +1

      @@Kiracki any1 else having problems updating the Poly D via Synthtool?

    • @Kiracki
      @Kiracki 4 роки тому +1

      Netztherapie yes, me 2 and lots of others according 2 forums. So it seems to be a conmon problem and hopefully will b resolved by behringer soon.

    • @netztherapie5723
      @netztherapie5723 4 роки тому

      @@Kiracki good to hear that i am Not the only one... let me know if your hear about a fix pls 👍

    • @ulrichlambert3879
      @ulrichlambert3879 4 роки тому +2

      What about the click issue?

  • @lukequincey7187
    @lukequincey7187 4 роки тому +26

    Hi Tim. I just wanted to say that your videos are incredible and completely inspiring. Because of your content, I decided to go and buy The Behringer Poly D. I’m so happy with it and I’m sure it’s going to be a good start to my version of a synth collection. I value your opinion and content greatly, and really just wanted to say thank you. 🙏🏽🎹✌🏽

    • @davidgoode7416
      @davidgoode7416 2 роки тому

      Happy with it?

    • @Siprophet08
      @Siprophet08 2 роки тому +2

      Be careful, every collection starts with '1' and it soon becomes an obsession. When I was 14 I bought an old used Multimoog to hook up to my C64 to control an additive synth I programmed. 40 years later I have a room full of the damned things and I need to sell some to make room for new ones!

  • @Cloud_Brn
    @Cloud_Brn Місяць тому +1

    Jam at the end was really wonderful, sounds great on good headphones! I actually really liked the synth in Cubase edit too, hah!

  • @mpmi7588
    @mpmi7588 5 років тому +7

    Thanks for being a straight forward video channel with no gimmicks to get people to come back.Nice joint at the end too.

  • @johnpfontana
    @johnpfontana 5 років тому +9

    Thanks for the thorough report, the quirks of this instrument seem very manageable, the important thing is that it's a source of inspiration, which is evident in this exquisite track you've produced with it. Looking forward to mine, whenever it finally arrives, and it'll save me some time learning how to work around its quirks, so thank you for this!

  • @keekeefries6298
    @keekeefries6298 4 роки тому +5

    You sir are doing us all a great service by creating these meticulous and inspirational videos. Thank you 🙏

  • @PerryCodes
    @PerryCodes 4 роки тому +8

    Spot on re: synth interfaces. When dealing with creative processes, to stop the train while you spin through menus is an inspiration killer!

  • @eddieburke1
    @eddieburke1 Рік тому +1

    Hey Tim, thanks for your honest feedback per these A/B comparisons. Financially motivated sales people don’t focus on the most important features of what I believe now to be a heavily discounted pure analog synth per its electronic offerings. Compared to how things were priced over the past 5 decades, these new Behringer releases have indeed shocked the industry, so again, thank you very much for your quality input, your time, your trouble and obvious expertise. Educating young musicians to discern better is a beautiful thing!

  • @mikaeljohansson83
    @mikaeljohansson83 5 років тому +6

    As always when I hear your music I travel to a different place in my mind. Cool and tranquil place where everything is perfect:)

  • @LTK33
    @LTK33 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks for clearing up things for potential buyers like myself and love the music!

  • @JamesDavis-w7v
    @JamesDavis-w7v День тому

    What I find terribly amusing about this terribly annoying key-release sound (forgive me) is that it sounds exactly like someone is walking behind me in the studio wearing flip-flop sandals. Even as a teenager I hated that annoying sound & we all wore those during the Summer. I am 64 & this has never crossed my mind even once since 1978. This made me burst out laughing because the sound was something seemingly innocent that drove me into sonic psychosis. This review is absolutely wonderful because you've found the answers to these issues & offer them up to us all instead of just finding fault which seems to be the most popular approach these days. Thank You for your in-depth review & solutions to these frustrating issues. Your intellectually refreshing approach is treasured -

  • @schlenbea
    @schlenbea 3 роки тому +2

    Sounds so good and great sounding song. Right up my alley. I might just pick one of these up because of that very song. It sounds like something I started writing years ago but couldn't get the sounds "analog" enough! I think you've convinced me!

  • @MichaelSydneyJones
    @MichaelSydneyJones 2 роки тому

    Thanks

  • @alessandrogolinelli3185
    @alessandrogolinelli3185 Рік тому

    Sempre e ancora Grazie 🙏 dei tuoi videos e disponibilità.

  • @wajobu
    @wajobu 5 років тому +9

    Sounds great, Tim! Yes, there is an audible click on that release.

  • @Syarikat
    @Syarikat 5 років тому +2

    Thank you! Just got mine 3 days ago and couldn’t agree more

  • @BarryWarne
    @BarryWarne 3 роки тому

    Bill Hemsath & Bob Moog got the layout right and musicians have come back time and time again. With modern additions & tweaks keeping everything current, we will see resurrections of the instruments for decades to come. 12:43 that click or release pop reminds me of playing a Clavinet and I don't mind, gives it a rather funky pluck, or vice versa.

  • @torbenanschau6641
    @torbenanschau6641 5 років тому +48

    About the midi issue: Seems to me you need local off. That's an issue with all midi keyboards actually, because you're creating a loop. So most keyboards have a switch for that somewhere, maybe it is in the synthtool somewhere? If not then that needs an update. However you can always get away from that problem if you simply turn off Midi Thru on your cubase track. In other keyboards you may not notice the issue because they are poly, but with a mono getting a "midi feedback" there is no more voice left.

    • @WarrenPostma
      @WarrenPostma 5 років тому

      This could be done better in the cubase UI, if the record button and the midi send button were separate track controls. Altering your track midi output to reroute is clumsy. For some outboard midi chains you really do need to just inhibit the cubase midi loop generation thing.

    • @Mrpsblobsoflowendmung
      @Mrpsblobsoflowendmung 4 роки тому +2

      Exactly what I thought when he was saying it . I think it’s in the settings app

  • @valley_robot
    @valley_robot 5 років тому +2

    i only use midi to sync time , all my stuff is live recorded into garageband as an audio file , this is a bug , but it will not affect the "live" musician at all , behringer you are the reason i can now afford awsome gear, keep on keeping on

  • @percussionboy4357
    @percussionboy4357 5 років тому +6

    I appreciate your spending several videos on one synth. Will be curious to see if you have any new tricks for the Matriarch.

  • @executionsquad3926
    @executionsquad3926 3 роки тому +1

    Nice track. Really like the sound of this synth. Thanks for the video!

  • @michelkasday
    @michelkasday 4 роки тому +2

    That click sounds like the filter dealing with the last of the residual voltage from the oscillators while still being open enough to apply the filter

  • @brainbox9219
    @brainbox9219 2 роки тому +1

    Basically, buy one while you can because the analog distortion is heavenly and has sequencer 😍

  • @waltstephens1346
    @waltstephens1346 4 роки тому +1

    Love your options! And your accent! You're a talented monster. Thank you for your time. Xox

  • @genx1144
    @genx1144 5 років тому +7

    Very impressive. I watch all your videos. Everyone needs a Poly D. You have one of the best synth channels that exist. Your videography/presentation is excellent. I'm certain you're right about a simple firmware update will clear up those issues. Makes sense. Thank you Mr. Shoebridge.

  • @simonbeck7446
    @simonbeck7446 5 років тому +14

    As soon as I heard that click I thought "Turn the release time up, damn it!". I'm surprised that you think that it's a bug - I am very familiar with this sound, even though I don't have a Poly D or even a Model D. An immediate transient will almost always cause a click, but on release it is more obvious because it is followed by silence. Just turn up the release slightly. It isn't a bug, just the result of having tight envelopes!

    • @ReallyDudeYouGottaHearThis
      @ReallyDudeYouGottaHearThis 4 роки тому +5

      Organ players “dig” that click.

    • @PerryCodes
      @PerryCodes 4 роки тому

      He thinks it's a bug because it IS a bug. There are two switches that turn off decay - one for the filter envelope, the other for the volume envelope. The click he's demonstrating is with the decay OFF (or supposedly off).

    • @makers1958
      @makers1958 4 роки тому

      Jason Perry - I wonder if there isn’t some cross circuiting because there is only on “Decay” switch on the Poly D; the D is the model with two switches.

  • @issiewizzie
    @issiewizzie 4 роки тому +1

    Issues nicely pointed out and the Poly D was nicely played

  • @chrisbran6739
    @chrisbran6739 4 роки тому

    Wonderful clicky bass !

  • @Funkbutterfly
    @Funkbutterfly 5 років тому +2

    Your thoughtful and articulate videos are winners in my book.

  • @torbenanschau6641
    @torbenanschau6641 5 років тому +2

    About the click issue, I tried it with the Model-D and it's there as well. Starrsky Carr also adressed this problem about the attack, when you make the envelope really fast, a loud click will appear. This can be especially annoying as effects will apply on that noise and echoing all over your moog sound. It's a bit like a key klick on a hammond (where good recreations try to emulate that as accurately as possible). That click has even higher frequencies as the decay click. However I don't konw whether this is correct but someone said it was because of the envelopes being even faster than on the original. Now as I'm trying it it seems to me it's actually about the loudness contour bringing both noises. When I have both attack and decay on 0 for both contours and raise the filter attack I need to turn it to 5 until the click is gone. But I can leave that on zero when move the loudness attack only by a little. As for the Decay, I can't dissolve the click with the filter decay at all, no matter how far I turni it up. Same for the filter sustain. But for the loudness just a little more decay gets it away. And even the loudness sustain reduces the second click. So I think these clicks are induced by the loudness contours on shortest setting.

    • @MeMe-sz4pf
      @MeMe-sz4pf 5 років тому +1

      Thanks for this additional info. Just to be clear, did you try it with Behringer Model-D or Moog Model-D ?
      I'd like to know if this behavior is specific to Behringer's mini-d and poly-d, or is it present on Moog's model D as well.

    • @anthonypatterson8796
      @anthonypatterson8796 5 років тому

      Me Me I’ve never heard of this problem with Moogs model d.

    • @torbenanschau6641
      @torbenanschau6641 5 років тому +1

      @@anthonypatterson8796 I'm actually not even sure wether to see that as a problem. It only occurs with an extrem setting of zero attack and decay. to avoid you just turn up both a little which still wouldn't mean you really have an attack phase. On the other hand you can certainly use this behaviour. Sometimes little imperfections sooner or later come part of a legend. That's what happened with the key click on a hammond or even the "leakage". It developes its charme and becomes kind of a characteristic the original moog may not have had. Now someone makes a huge hit using the Poly-D and makes usage of that feature - everyone is gonna run after it.

    • @torbenanschau6641
      @torbenanschau6641 5 років тому +1

      @@MeMe-sz4pf With the Behringer Model-D of course, I'm not really that wealthy. About the moog - Starrsky really got up his reissue and it is there with the initial click but way less than on the behringer.

  • @AndyVonal
    @AndyVonal 5 років тому +1

    And I love your track, as always! Lovely trippy, little tune!

  • @iantanner7579
    @iantanner7579 5 років тому +1

    Appreciate *every* video. ; )
    ~ yeah, i agree, in fact i haven't done any menu-diving since the late 90s.

  • @PnPModular
    @PnPModular 5 років тому

    Great video Tim really enjoy your point of view

  • @draztiqmeshaz6226
    @draztiqmeshaz6226 4 роки тому

    13:50 is didn't get rid of the click, just the higher frequency component of it, there's still a click which sounds like a ghost note on a kick drum

  • @omarbonifacino3381
    @omarbonifacino3381 Рік тому

    Very great sound Behringher

  • @stevecoscia
    @stevecoscia 4 роки тому

    My second time watching this. Enjoyed it as much as the first. Thanks.

  • @stevecoscia
    @stevecoscia 5 років тому

    Informative video, Tim. Thanks for your objectivity.

  • @DaveBessell
    @DaveBessell 5 років тому +7

    The midi issue is a bit odd I agree. The other issue - click/noise on key release with particular envelope settings is idiosyncratic but actually its something i would make deliberate use of. many acoustic instruments have a small amount of noise associated with lifting a finger off a string or key. To be able to mimic that easily is a feature rather than a problem as far as I am concerned. Its not that unusual for envelopes on many synths to do slightly unexpected things at extreme settings. Unless its horribly disruptive I would just treat it as character and work with it.

    • @poserp
      @poserp 4 роки тому +2

      Yeah, I'd actually expect this behavior, just like I'd expect an audible click with the fastest attack setting. I've played various synths/modules that work the same way.

  • @hfugmann
    @hfugmann 4 роки тому

    Great video, Tim 🙏

  • @shivanjamal1375
    @shivanjamal1375 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much for making this video, the fact that you noticed little issues prove to me that you genuinely know what you're doing. You earned another sub.
    Love from Kurdistan

  • @pepe7drum
    @pepe7drum 8 місяців тому

    I really liked the poly d features I'm thinking of getting one but I've read reviews where tuning is a problem, how well it works after a year or two of usage? Is there any big problem to have in mind before spending money on it?

  • @daveholt8208
    @daveholt8208 5 років тому +1

    Bloody hell... I seriously love Jean-Michel Jarre... so much I spell his name correctly... and I was seriously dancing around to your music... well fucking done. Marvellous! x

  • @Asmotiv
    @Asmotiv 5 років тому

    Thank you very much for your Informational videos.

  • @michaelevan9184
    @michaelevan9184 Рік тому

    Really enjoy your channel

  • @fakedoug7414
    @fakedoug7414 4 роки тому

    Great vid, thanks for your work!

  • @djalexia
    @djalexia 4 роки тому

    Thx for these updates. I’m waiting for B. to ship out to stores this P. D . I’m diving into the Subsequent 37 right now ... thing is I’d like to have more voices to work with... we shall see. Love the track you’ve done with just the Poly D & drums groove.

    • @TimShoebridge
      @TimShoebridge  4 роки тому +1

      djalexia Thanks very much. Yes 4 note paraphonic mode makes this synth extremely flexible imho

    • @djalexia
      @djalexia 4 роки тому

      @@TimShoebridge Absolutely, in love with the Moog Subsequet 37 but I don't play in a band and live gigs and just for studio-work for now I rather an analog synth with more polyphonies this way I can stretch the usage and excuse the bucks spent. Won't deny It'll be hard to let go the Subsequent 37... ;)

  • @THESYNTHBARD
    @THESYNTHBARD 5 років тому

    Thank you for your videos on the Poly D! I'd definitely like to get one at some point, I love an instrument that drives inspiration!

  • @magicroomstudios
    @magicroomstudios Рік тому

    MIDI issue - prob can be avoided by turning off "local control" which you would have to do anyways. To avoid hearing doubled notes... The "local control" command can often be sent via MIDI if it can't be found in a menu.

  • @davidgoode7416
    @davidgoode7416 Рік тому

    Great video, thanks!

  • @jataro7
    @jataro7 5 років тому +1

    Thank you for doing this. You have pointed out most of the ins and outs. Now I will know what to listen out for when I get one. Love the song! ❤ Very Beautiful Sounds from the Poly D. 😁 Thanks for your help.

  • @monsterjazzlicks
    @monsterjazzlicks 4 роки тому +1

    Nice track at the end Tim. ;-)

  • @cymonalex
    @cymonalex 4 роки тому +2

    Nice work Tim... Although the Poly D is not for me (purely because I have model D's) I am not in any way snubbing this synth, as I actually think it sounds really nice. I have a few friends that have them now and bizarrely, they all seem to have a few different "hang-ups" which I'm sure when fixed will make this a popular addition to many setups. My personal head scratcher is the chorus and why they are having so many issues with this? Like I say, I'm sure (like you'll find with your Moog one) as soon as the software gets developed in time, you grow to love it ! Unlike Moog, Behringers quality control needs to be addressed and the two other units I have played on had noticeable issues which were clearly defective parts or production issues. That aside, I am told Behringer are very good at offering replacements an taking user feedback on all their products. Great work and interesting summary.. Thanks S.

    • @subconscious.com_usa6691
      @subconscious.com_usa6691 Рік тому

      Have they rolled off the bottom end for the poly d for polyphonic playing
      or are they untouched fully blown model d oscillators.

  • @AndyVonal
    @AndyVonal 5 років тому +4

    Hi Tim...Thanks for another great video about this synth. I wanted to share a thought with you about the "click". Is it not just a quick release? As you pointed out, when you raise the decay you lose the click, but the "decay" on this synth is also hard wired to the "release" so a longer decay gives a longer release. My old pro-one does something similar when the release is set very low. I had other synths which had an initial "click" with a fast attack and increasing the attack by a bit got rid of the click in the same way that lengthening the release gets rid of the "end-click" on the pro-one. Just a thought. I wonder if the original MiniMoog does something like it? I'd better watch Starsky's side by side vid again!

    • @AdamTheAd-vanc3d
      @AdamTheAd-vanc3d 5 років тому +2

      Hi Andrew . That's a very intresting one. There are quite a few theories about that envelope click. My initial thought was bad vca offset calibration (providing the vca circuit is exactly the same as the MM) perhaps from production this was not checked . My other thought is the trimmer used are cheap and a slight nudge in transport has knocked them out of whack slightly but enough to allow a few volts of offset hence the clicking.
      It was also mentioned on Starsky's vid that he thinks the Poly D may have digital envelopes.
      Or as you mention perhaps the envelopes are just so fast it's just a characteristic of the design.

    • @AndyVonal
      @AndyVonal 5 років тому +1

      @@AdamTheAd-vanc3d Hi Adamski! Thanks for the reply. I guess any of the above could be the cause. I seem to remember Starsky mentioning but couldn't remember exactly what he said. I have definitely had (and indeed still own) synths which "click" - certainly the Pro-one has very fast envelopes but I acknowledge that the cause could be something else with the Poly D. Synths are always a bit of a mystery - I guess that's why we love them (or sometimes hate them - DX7...)

  • @lassel1644
    @lassel1644 7 місяців тому

    The Poly D is hard to checkout since they are nowhere to be found in Swedish music stores. Could be some issue with other huge manufacturers since the are priced so low.

  • @wshow6787
    @wshow6787 2 роки тому

    The “click” sounds similar to the snap when a VCF cutoff is controlled by a short attacking or releasing section of an envelope.

  • @poopypanysou812
    @poopypanysou812 4 роки тому +1

    Wonderful tune!

  • @martinneal5240
    @martinneal5240 4 роки тому +1

    Great video report Tim. Did they have anything to say about the strange envelope problem...and did the midi get fixed. Nice piece of Music as usual , good work.

  • @megadavel1
    @megadavel1 4 роки тому

    Savage sequence, OMD would be jealous!

  • @crosoft1452
    @crosoft1452 4 роки тому +1

    Thoughts on poly d or the grandmother Tim? Love your work!

  • @FamilySyndicate
    @FamilySyndicate 2 роки тому

    The pop on the key release I had with my Arp Omni originally too. However if I moved the "release" to any level above 0 even the slightest movement, it'd go away. Interesting to hear it on the poly D.

  • @fortheloveofnoise
    @fortheloveofnoise 4 роки тому +1

    I am still waiting for my yellow TD-3 from Sweetwater. We have to wait ages for the Behringer synths in the U.S.

  • @paul_ward_music
    @paul_ward_music 3 роки тому

    The MIDI problem... They seem to have solved it apart from pitchbenbd. Pitchbend still doesn't work when generated at the Poly D and received back by the Poly D (at least over USB, which is how I have it connected).

  • @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur
    @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur 11 місяців тому

    What is possible over midi? Can an external controller controll the knobs? Can the Poly D connected to two Model D's be a multi timbral instrument? Polyphony?

  • @paulallenMacca
    @paulallenMacca 4 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing your videos did Behringer ever fix that issue with no sound while recording.
    The first time I got interested in Synthesizer’s was when I was like 14 or 15 when I first got into Rick Wakeman probably around 1971 to 1973.

  • @Gabriel.A.L.
    @Gabriel.A.L. 3 роки тому +5

    if you cut a waveform quickly, it always clicks. This happens with every fast envelopes

  • @daxu9605
    @daxu9605 4 роки тому +1

    Can't wait to hear about your thoughts on the Pittsburgh Modular Voltage Research Lab you got there in the back :D

    • @TimShoebridge
      @TimShoebridge  4 роки тому

      Blimey! You've got good eyesight! There's a bit of a learning curve for me with the VRL and also a lack of spare time. But I fully intend making a video once I feel qualified to speak about it.

    • @daxu9605
      @daxu9605 4 роки тому

      Tim Shoebridge I have one sitting on my desk. So, I recognize the knob and button patterns quite well. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts. I’m always discovering new possibilities with mine.

  • @jamwithjason3112
    @jamwithjason3112 11 місяців тому

    fo rthe mike dean sound that he gets from mini moog voyager, would you suggest i get a moog grandmother or subsequent 37 or behringer poly d?

  • @alexanderbluhm8841
    @alexanderbluhm8841 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for sharing

  • @johndavidpeer3107
    @johndavidpeer3107 4 роки тому +4

    So even with the click, you like this synth? Your demo with it sounds great...the click is not noticable.
    But when mine arrived a couple days ago, it's the first thing I noticed. Of course, studio head phones make it much more noticable I think.
    I actually have it packed up to ship back, but I keep hoping someone found a way to reduce it. Tweaking the attack helps, but you lose the nice fast attack for lead sounds. And to silence the lay-off click, the decay switch must be "on", with release time; not a good solution.
    I have been playing synths for 40 years, and this is, by far, the worst envelope clicking I've ever heard. My concern is for recording. It's not so bad for squelchy bass parts, or busy tracks...it would get buried. But what about soft, mellow, or fast lead lines??
    Lol...it reminds me of a guitarist's noisy amplifier hum...and I am hearing all the same "denials"!
    "Hum? What hum?"

  • @KiR_3d
    @KiR_3d 4 роки тому +2

    My complaint to Behringer: Why you've didn't added separate VCAs (plus AR envelopes) for every oscillator? Then it could have much cooler sound options! Matrix Brute has this feature. I'm sure that it costs just about +10-20$ to the price of the synth. And it will be still a paraphonic synth (in the same "market's level").

  • @airtimedesign
    @airtimedesign 2 роки тому

    Was there a firmware fix for the MIDI input output monitoring?

  • @H-4-D3423
    @H-4-D3423 5 років тому +4

    A brill series Tim, congrats. There's little point sitting in front of the camera, spending all of the time that you have done - and not speaking honestly about hardware ;)

  • @seancraig5373
    @seancraig5373 5 років тому

    Great video, even better song!

  • @fredericocamposcosta323
    @fredericocamposcosta323 4 роки тому +1

    Hi Tim, regarding midi: in ableton, if i use it’s arpegiator (since its more “complete” than the poly d’s ) it only triggers osc 1 on the poly d. Going to try the same process but with the ob6 arp out to the poly d. Hope it works!
    Thanks for all the effort you put in your videos! Really helpful

    • @fredericocamposcosta323
      @fredericocamposcosta323 4 роки тому

      And another thing I noticed. When the poly d's clock is set to external over midi usb, I cannot change the poly d's arpeggiator rate. If I move the tempo knob nothing happens. With shift-tempo only the arp gate changes.

    • @HrWisch
      @HrWisch Рік тому

      Check the settings via he Behringer app. Sounds like your Poly D is using the MIDI clock when connected. That can be changed in the app.
      There are quite some things you can modify with that app, including the annoying pseudo touch sense behavior and the note priority (which I can't thank Behringer enough for implementing it).

  • @stergiost.6246
    @stergiost.6246 2 роки тому

    Hello.. I remember that you had a great demo of the ensoniq esq1.. I cannot find it anymore in your channel. Have you deleted it?

  • @gretareinarsson7461
    @gretareinarsson7461 2 роки тому

    I think I will end up buying one.

  • @thomaskrasemann709
    @thomaskrasemann709 4 роки тому

    Dear Tim,
    I really enjoy your videos, especially as you give an opinion, and not just descriptions of what synthesizers are able to do.
    You commented on 2 synths which I consider for my setup: Behringer Poly D and Moog Matriarch. I haven't got any Eurorack stuff, but some other synths (Korg Prologue, Yamaha reface CS, Studiologic Sledge black). What I am missing is the Moog-sound...
    If you had the choice, which one would you go for? Both paraphonic 4 voices, both 24db ladder filter, both with some extras like arpeggiator and sequencer. A difficult choice. Unfortunately I do not have enough space for all.
    Can you give me some ideas/your opinion?
    Thank you in advance,
    Thomas

  • @ChurchOfTheHolyMho
    @ChurchOfTheHolyMho 2 роки тому

    Being able to have a click and disable the click may offer some musical options. Dunno.
    With Tim having both the Model D and the Poly D - and noting how inspirational the Poly D was for creating tunes, I am curious if he found the Model D as inspirational by itself.
    I wrestle with being a control freak and wanting total control via MIDI in my sequencer versus mousing around in a VST taking away immediacy and inspiration. If a Model D is also inspirational, it might be worth an addition to my cheap setup. Would be interesting if the Model D brought the inspiration, and then rely on a VST clone for recording. Hmm.

  • @Wanderlinse
    @Wanderlinse 3 роки тому

    Hello Tim. Great review. I purchased a Poly D and it worked great until I wanted to make a firmware update. Removed all cables, no USB hub. There is only progress until 73% and then it stops with an error. The Poly D is now in DFU mode and is like dead. Only the power lamp flashes red, yellow and green. Any ideas? Thank you.

  • @666JGNotts
    @666JGNotts 5 років тому

    Cheers Tim, another excellent video :) Looking forward to more videos ..... any idea what the next synth topic will be yet?

    • @TimShoebridge
      @TimShoebridge  5 років тому +1

      Thanks a lot. Too many videos to make and never enough time! I am patiently waiting for my Wavestate to arrive. It's late already! That was going to be my next video as the interface is about as opposite to a Poly D as you can possibly get. I'll either be incredibly frustrated with it (very possible) or else I'll surprise myself. But as that synth is not with me yet I may do something else. I should do at least one more video on the Matriarch, and the Quantum is sitting here very neglected and growing cobwebs as I wait for v2 to be publicly released. I need to really decide what I'm doing with that one tbh

  • @scoimalloi3405
    @scoimalloi3405 4 роки тому +1

    Having received my Poly D this week I can confirm I have the same 'click' issues as you have demonstrated. It's going back to Andertons. I have used many synths in the last 30 years from JP4 to Polymoog to Prodigy amongst others and I have never experienced a click which drives me nuts like this does. Shame, it looks and sounds great.
    Hopefully the issue will be addressed soon. However this is July and it is still there.
    Thanks for confirming I wasn't going crazy!

  • @girlinagale
    @girlinagale 5 років тому +4

    It's a lovely format, very desirable. I've hankered for a Sub 37 for years but a Poly D is better with four note chords available.

    • @anthonypatterson8796
      @anthonypatterson8796 5 років тому +1

      If you were looking for four note chords you would have never looked at a sub37. Doesn’t sound like you own either synth so I don’t agree with the “better” sentiment.

    • @girlinagale
      @girlinagale 5 років тому +2

      @@anthonypatterson8796 Poly D is better with four note chords. Simple.

    • @astrodruid441
      @astrodruid441 5 років тому +1

      I get it, but to avoid confusion: Poly D is better, with four note chords available

    • @girlinagale
      @girlinagale 5 років тому

      @@astrodruid441 Aight!

  • @KillSanchezVol.1
    @KillSanchezVol.1 5 років тому +3

    I'm absolutely hooked on this song and "Poly D Revisited". I find the melodies amazing. As a Spacemen 3, Spiritualized, Kraftwerk and The Early Years lover, I also find a bit of them all in these melodies. I've noticed a Presonus console (If I'm not wrong) so my question is how do you use the console: As a console and DAW controller, only as a console? Is there any video with your thoughts and experience with it? Thanks in advance. Following you on Soundcloud since now.

    • @TimShoebridge
      @TimShoebridge  5 років тому +2

      Thank you very much :) yes that's a 16 track Presonus mixing console you can see at the back, I actually have it as a secondary mixer, I have a 24 track Presonus on the other side of the studio which you never see as it's always behind camera. The 24 track is the main audio interface to my DAW, and it works flawlessly with Cubase.

  • @florinchelniciuc831
    @florinchelniciuc831 Рік тому

    Hi sir! Those issues are solved now? It's more than 3 years....Thanks! 🙏🏻

  • @seantomalty3062
    @seantomalty3062 4 роки тому +1

    I was just watching the walkthrough video Behringer themselves released on this synth, and noticed that it had some pretty serious crackling as well. This crackling however came when he started to layer the oscillators, not specifically with the chorus. Was your Chorus crackling resolved on the return unit? I own the DM12, and it has a serious 6k notch frequency hum you can notch out, but i had returned 2 units due to it. On my third version, the DM12 came back with it still so ive just learned to live with it. Hope this isn't a "feature" haha because i wouldn't be able to live with that crackling or internal clipping, whatever you want to label it as. Apologies if you clarify this in one of your videos, but i haven't had time to watch them all! Great work though. Subscribed!

  • @shaft9000
    @shaft9000 3 роки тому

    A good little tune, Tim...the obvious TD 'Cinnamon Road' comparisons. (I've redux'd half their albums up to Exit lol)
    This is the most bang-per-buck analog synth possibly ever.
    I don't use MIDI for anything beyond sync, so all fine on that front here....Shame about the gate-off click, and I'd much prefer a phaser or (and?) delay to the chorus, but that isn't essential.

  • @WarrenPostma
    @WarrenPostma 5 років тому

    Kudos for a beautiful track. And how beautiful it looks in Cubase. Hearing that odd on-release-envelope click makes me wonder if I could even make it harsher or even have the midi events trigger another analog noise, to get to an intentional tack piano like sound on release. And then using note length, create some weird swing or syncopation.

  • @kettenlaiho
    @kettenlaiho 4 роки тому

    Hello, Tim; I hope you are doing just fine!
    If you were to make a dark wave/synth wave/post punk/or anything related to dark synth - project, which synth would you recommend me to get? The Poly D or the deepmind 6?
    I’m stuck between these two... in the case of the D, it’s because of its capacity to create fat bass sounds but also the possibility to make sweet pads and leads...
    But in the other hand, there is the DM, which has a lot of control and some more fx (but only 2 waveforms)
    I hope you can help me :) thx in advance. Great videos!!

    • @TimShoebridge
      @TimShoebridge  4 роки тому +1

      Hi Ketten, Sorry for the very late reply. Those are two very different synths but I understand why they both appeal to you. I guess there are a couple of things to consider - do you need real polyphonic playing, do you have external effects, and how important is preset recall to you? The way the Poly D plays paraphonically is not for everybody especially people who are used to playing regular digital keyboards. Yes the DM is limited with waveforms, something I could never get really used to, but it makes up for it with amazing and comprehensive effects. I'd guess 90% of the fantastic presets that you'll find on the DM sound fantastic due to effects and not the synth voices themselves. The Poly D needs external delay and reverb to really make it shine. And then of course the DM has the ability to save and load presets, everything is totally manual on the Poly D.
      From what I'm writing it may sound like I am firmly in favour of the DM over the Poly D, I'm not but I think that the Poly D lacks the convenience factor of the DM, I think it makes for a really focussed and fantastic addition to a setup but might not always be the right choice as a one synth setup. So I think at the end of the day it may depend on what other gear you have to compliment it as well as how much you appreciate the old-school nature of the Poly D......

    • @kettenlaiho
      @kettenlaiho 4 роки тому

      Thank you so much, dear@@TimShoebridge, I really appreciate your answer.
      I think you are right, and I totally agree with you. Right now I’m just recording in the studio (not online jams or anything like that), which means I have all the time in the world to change a preset and start recording again... also, I’ve never been interested on playing piano, so I’m not used to polyphonic sounds at all. The only “polyphonic” instrument I’ve played in “piano format” is my Micfrofreak, and it’s paraphonic as well (similar capabilities as the Poly D).
      In addition to that, I always use vst’s for chorus reverbs, delays and that’s pretty much I use, so I think that the Poly D is a really good option for my second hardware synth. Maybe in the future I get the DM, I don’t know 🤷‍♂️
      I wish you had a video on the DM as well, that’d be great, ‘cause your content is awesome!
      But anyway, I appreciate your time. Please keep up your content, I’ve learn a lot in this channel.
      Greetings from México 🇲🇽 🖐

  • @TheNimasan
    @TheNimasan 4 роки тому

    Hi tim. I’m a huge fan of your channel. Thx for all those great videos. Just have a question tho Today I wanted to update the firmware of the poly d. via synttool app. Somehow it doesn’t work. I always get the feedback “ update fails try again“ and then a window pops up which says “ poly d in DFU mode please update firmwre“ the power light blinks in green and red. Nothing is working. No sound no knobs. I have to take it off from the usb turn it off and on. Then it works again. Do you why all that?!

  • @HOLLASOUNDS
    @HOLLASOUNDS 2 роки тому

    Well ok there is a minor issue with clicking, its probably interference from the wires inside not being insulated enough.

  • @guitarnica
    @guitarnica 4 роки тому

    I love the sound of the intro chords from the song at 15:00, Do you maybe have a foto or so of how you adjusted the control knobs to get that sound? Would be very apreciated !! Kind regards charles

  • @crolodon8024
    @crolodon8024 5 років тому +1

    Tim, I've really enjoyed your series on this synth. Would be VERY fun to see your thoughts on the Sonicware ELZ_1, have you had any experience with it yet?

    • @TimShoebridge
      @TimShoebridge  5 років тому +1

      I do happen to own an ELZ-1 but I have not had time to really get into it. The idea was to use it when travelling but I haven't been anywhere since I bought it!

    • @crolodon8024
      @crolodon8024 5 років тому

      @@TimShoebridge Oh awesome! Mine is currently on order and should arrive in a few weeks, I bought it with the same idea of a nice travel companion. It's so deep, it would be really fun to see you put a track together with it or just jam out and noodle around on camera. Beautiful sounding synth.

  • @ImaginationBlue
    @ImaginationBlue 4 роки тому

    Hey Tim. Great video! Thank you for sharing such personal and emotional response to the Poly D. Tell me, is there a way to configure it so it responds to velocity? For example, to affect filter cutoff or resonance? Thanks for any reply.

    • @TimShoebridge
      @TimShoebridge  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks a lot. There is a CV out on the rear of the synth for velocity, and there are CV ins for oscillator pitch, loudness contour and filter cutoff. So you can patch velocity to control those three synth parameters.

    • @ImaginationBlue
      @ImaginationBlue 4 роки тому

      @@TimShoebridge Whoa! Excellent! Thank you Tim, sincerely. Could you control all 3 simultaneously via velocity?

    • @ImaginationBlue
      @ImaginationBlue 4 роки тому

      By the way, have you tried the Moog Subsequent 37? How do you feel it would stack up against this? Call me spoiled but I actually feel the patch memory is nice. I'm leaning towards it a little, found what looks to be a good used on on Ebay.

    • @ImaginationBlue
      @ImaginationBlue 4 роки тому

      Your song at the end reminded me of this cut I love so much from Steve Winwood called Spanish Dancer. From Arc Of A Diver record.

  • @HeathcliffBlair
    @HeathcliffBlair 5 років тому

    Thanks for your video. Do you know if these issues, and any others, are present on the Model D as well? Cheers.

  • @mcmike100
    @mcmike100 4 роки тому +1

    That click is a deal breaker.

    • @leftmono1016
      @leftmono1016 4 роки тому

      mcmike100 - all you need to do is give it a tiny release and problem solved. My Pittsburg Modular SV1 has a really clicky attack, which for non percussive sounds is a pain until you dial in a very small amount of attack and the click completely disappears.

    • @beatnickPL
      @beatnickPL 4 роки тому

      Non issue

    • @tigermothproductions
      @tigermothproductions 4 роки тому +1

      I have to agree...a complete deal breaker for me.. you can't have it that you cant turn attack to full without a click thud....madness... it ha Story go back... gutted..

  • @flarfadelic5654
    @flarfadelic5654 4 роки тому

    thanks for sharing all of your thoughts on this synth, Tim. a year later, do you still dig it???

    • @TimShoebridge
      @TimShoebridge  4 роки тому

      Yes! I don't get to play it so often these days but when I do I love it. Will be interesting to see how the monopoly compares...

  • @OldPsytrance
    @OldPsytrance 5 років тому

    thanks man love thisp

  • @djalexia
    @djalexia 4 роки тому +1

    Hi Tim, I just got the second PolyD as the first one I thought was faulty. After many times emailing the customer support sent video snippets of PolyD in action and I was told that it would have been a good idea to return device and get a new one. I got my new PolyD sent over and boom 💥 same problems... midi implementation with LogicX is a mess, doesn’t matter how many time I tried different setting in the behringer app and in LogicX, even following the customer support guides, the PolyD get stuck when i record the cc via modewheel and I’m forced to restart the PolyD. Recording arpeggios or sequences more headaches. Notes get stuck, I have to switch between LogicX clock ( usb clock) and PolyD internal clock to playback ... something that I never encountered before with my Moog Grandmother and subsequent 37. Not sure if I have bad luck or behringer might need to look into this... thanks again for your informative videos. A v

    • @zanngoc
      @zanngoc 9 місяців тому

      why is there a porn website link in your youtube profile though? o.O

  • @moroderhead
    @moroderhead 4 роки тому +1

    nice track at the end Tim, bit like TD mid period.