What if Saruman was good? | Battle Report: Lord of the Rings
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We're back in Middle Earth, and this time we're taking the Hobbits to Isengard! The Balrog we let loose from Moria has chased our heroes all the way to the doorstep of Saruman. Since we started our journey years ahead of schedule, the white wizard has not yet been corrupted by Sauron's influence...at least, we think he hasn't.
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bastard dog killer gandalf and good guy Saruman had me thinking what if gandalf survived his fiery fall, and encountered the nameless things under the mountains of moria, but instead of fighting off the balrog and escpaing the nameless things.
he instead communes with being creatures made by malkor one of the few who was possesed of the greatest knowledge.
the nameless things beings of evil made by a ancient powerfull evil given form in shadow and darkness.
riding forth gandalf the grey returns as gandalf the blackened or the raven?
hmmmmm fighting tom bombadil would be cool
there is a theory the nameless things pre-existed or co existed with eru and existed before creation. which would give me cthului/cosmic horror mixed with alien vibe
saruman: Tell me where is gandalf, for i desire to speak to him
Fatty Bolger: Gandalf the Dog-killer got imself whipped and set on fire he did. Then he was tossed straight to hell.
A figure in full gilded elven plate armour holding an ancient high elf glaive glowing blue with magic enchantments rides in on a snow white horse.
"My lord! i must speak to you about a most urgent concern! Sauron is returning to the realms of men!"
Theoden yells for his guards to seize the hunched and sickly figure, but the figure fires streaks of blinding lightning out of his eyes, knocking the men about wildly.
"I am Grima Balrogslayer my lord, and my council will not be denied!"
*Gandalf Dog-Blower
For his proper title : P
@@millenniumhandandshrimp2610I demand that glow up!
that's gandalf dog blower to you
It's hilarious to me that somehow the lore important characters, like Merry, Frodo and now Treebeard always get removed from existence. But Fatty Bolger and Gordan Treeman are apparently immortal, which is even funnier
I’m more invested in Fatty Bolger then I am Pippin in this campaign at this point.
SPOILR
wheat from the chaff.
@@Predatornc1 Honestly
I still want to see Book Dwarf the white happen if Saruman dies.
Grima Balrogbane finds his courage and realises that all his problems stem from a lack of self confidence.
Good Saruman bolsters Grima's resolve and, with the power of friendship and a training montage, Grima takes on the role of a honourable knight protecting the innocent from the forces of darkness
"It's not my fault me dad's last name is Wormtongue!"
Grima Wormtongue, Slayer of Durin's Bane
I love how this implies Saruman's garden was a summer home for Ents.
In all honesty Treebeard kind of insinuate that aswell at the least in the movies when he talks about how this area used to have friends of his
(I know he probably means the woods outside of Isengard but I like this idea better)
Why do you think he tore down the forest? He got tired of the Ents trespassing
@@tomraineofmagigor3499more like tree-spasing
@@tomraineofmagigor3499 "All you saplings get off my lawn!!"
Damn, this Grima resists the call of the ring and shanks the BALROG? I bet he actually gives good advice to Theoden in his spare time. Next time he heads home to Edoras he might even get a smile and a wave from Eowyn!
This is supposed to be ~15 years before the version of the Fellowship we know, so about TA 3004, at which point Eowyn is 9, and was orphaned two years before.
Which suggests an idea for a scenario: Eomund (Eowyn and Eomer's father) was a Rohirrim officer who died pursuing a Mordor raiding party in TA 3002 (17 years before the books), and then his wife got sick and died shortly after (probably from a broken heart). They could have their fantasy fellowship run into Eomund surrounded by Mordor orcs and see if they can save him and prevent that whole mess.
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Grima himself probably around 25-35 at this time. For some reason Tolkien didn't bother to give him a birthdate and a full family tree. Almost like a normal author ;-)
I'd say in this version he's a young Rohirrim diplomat who's acting as a go-between for the King of Rohan and their powerful Wizard neighbour. In this version Saruman himself hasn't got corrupted yet, and Grima hasn't got corrupted alongside him.
@@timothypollard6008 In this version Grima's deeds at the battle of Isengard are known throughout Rohan. Bolstered by his newfound self-confidence and fame, he doesn't become a toxic little shit and it turns out he actually develops a really healthy relationship with Eowyn (despite their age difference, which wouldn't really matter as much in a feudal society like that. But to make it a bit less weird, let's say he's about 25).
@@weezact7 You're right that in most societies that aren't the modern west a marriage between early- to mid-thirties man and a late-teens girl would not be considered scandalous. A little out of the norm probably, but not shockingly so.
@@timothypollard6008 Tbf , at least in western culture I have Researched , mainly here in the UK, so where Tolkien got most of his inspiration
It was only really nobility who did the extreme age gap and marrying young
It was way more common for people to get married in there early to mid twenties for the majority of folk
@@mk_gamíng0609 I've heard a few other people suggest that too, but I've not really seen sources for it. Do you know what it's based on? (My best guess would be something like Parish marriage registers, but I'm not sure how common they where really in the pre-Modern era)
Though of course it wouldn't really matter in this case since Eowyn is definitely nobility, and Grima most likely is as well.
And of course there's a difference between "unusual" and "scandalous". I think most societies would see 19-35 as unusual, but not scandalous like the modern west would.
Grima Demonbane has got to be leveled up to being a knight or something now
I hope he's still a shit though. Spreading rumours about the other knights, putting frogs in their bedrolls, that sort of thing
Grima Wormtongue deals 1 damage to Balrog.
Balrog dies.
Grima Wormtongue receives 9710000 xp
Grima Wormtongue is now level 2!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 3!
Grima Wormtongue is now a Master Deceiver.
Grima Wormtongue is now level 4!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 5!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 6!
Grima Wormtongue is now a Gilded Tongue Deceiver.
Grima Wormtongue is now level 7!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 8!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 9!
Grima Wormtongue is now a Turner of Tides.
Grima Wormtongue is now level 10!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 11!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 12!
Grima Wormtongue is now a Ruiner of Kingdoms.
Grima Wormtongue is now level 13!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 14!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 15!
Grima Wormtongue is now a Chaos Speaker.
Grima Wormtongue is now level 16!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 17!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 18!
Grima Wormtongue is now a Mouth of Dark Gods.
Grima Wormtongue is now level 19!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 20!
Grima Wormtongue is now level 21!
Grima Wormtongue is now an Advocate of the End.
@@millenniumhandandshrimp2610 If leveling Up, had also Videogame achievements. They'd also be looooong
Kind of want Farmer Maggot and Fatty Bolger to get some veterancy upgrades too.
@@foreng3095 Farmer Maggot is fine without it though. He's got the strength of one man, afterall
I love the idea of Grima Wormtongue being this slimey cowardly hero that steps the fuck up.
Truly the Luigi of this timeline 😂
We had it wrong the whole time. It's Grima Wyrmtongue
I mean, pretty on brand for Grima. He stabbed Saruman in the back in the movie, slit his throat in the book.
Genuinely my favorite tabletop series going on right now. Cannot get enough of this custom story, you guys really are crafting something amazing! 💚
absolutely agree
If it ever happens, Fatty Bolger's death will hit me harder than Boromir's
The mightiest man be be slayed by one arrow, fatty bolger was pierced by many
Best running gag has to be farmer maggot having the strength of one man
They're taking the Hobbits to Isengard!
Guard Guard G'Guard Guard
"WhAtDiDyOuSaY"
was looking for this comment, now I am at peace
The hobbits the hobbits the hobbits the hobbits to Isengard! To Isengard!
Tell me, where is Gandalf, for I much desire to speak with him.
Nice to see this keeps going. Would be pretty funny if Farmer Maggot nursed one of the wargs back to health after the battle to replace the three dear dogs he had.
Seconded. The dogs must flow!
Such a clever idea!
Farmer Maggot is honestly my favorite character in all of this
@@normtrooper4392 He has the strength of one whole man!
As Gandalf the Dog-Blower reappears to end it.
Grima HAS to have a new model to match is change in heart and courage! Who'd of thunk it: Grima Udunbane a member of the Fellowship!
A custom made model? Or just get a knight model and try to make it wormtongue themed?
Grima realizing he doesn't have to be a coward and liar, he can be a true hero of he just believes in himself.
To be fair to legolas he is canonicaly scared of the balrog in the book
Dropped an arrow, if I remember aright.
Man if a fallen angel made out of fire and ash is bearing down on me, I'd be shitting myself too.
@@SilimSavertin unless you are boromir in which case you just sound your horn in his face .
@@unaiestanconapelaez2526 Boromir: "If it bleeds, we can kill it"
Legolas really shitting the bed in this one. Well after the last time he saw the Balrog, you can't really blame him.
Between the Ent and the hobbits we've almost got ourselves a Blood Bowl team. I'll be sorely disappointed if no halfling tossing goes on in the next video.
They'll end up tossing pippin into the caldera of mt doom, with the ring
I need to see a written form of this story. The legendary heroes Grima Balrogslayer and Fatty Bolger the Thrice Lived fighting to protect Sam the Ringbearer while guided by the great Saruman the White.
how about live action?
I'm really enjoying the whole "everything happened slightly differently vibe". Not just because of the silliness, which is appreciated, but also because it actually feels like ti fits with the themes of the original story. What would you find if you came across Grima while he was still young enough to feel he could accomplish things?
If Gandalf ever returns on the side of evil, it could be interesting to have him come with some of the Nameless Thing’s, the monstrous, forgotten denizens of the deepest depths that we see only a scarce mention of in the books.
grima balrog-slayer and saruman resisting the ring with 6s lol
Grima Balrog-Slayer definitely needs something special going forward. Perhaps he is knighted by Theoden in an ironic twist of fate?
For a future game, perhaps Boromir and his father have been corrupted by the lure of the ring and have gone as far as to lay siege to Helm's Deep to claim it for themselves. It would make for a weird Rohan Vs Isengard game and with the inclusion of orcs could even make for three way game, which is rarer in the standard good v evil Middle Earth.
Would be great that the Fellowship takes a turn to the north by Saruman's advice for obtain the help of Grimbeorn the Old (son of Beorn) as well as King Brand of Dale and King Dain Ironfoot before heading towards south through Rohan and Gondor. That is a good chance to introduce the Easterlings as the bad guys and see some dwarfs and men of the north in action.
My idea is that Wurmtongue and Saruman are good in this version, so let's have Rohan be not so good. Let's say they kicked out Saruman and Wurmtongue attempting to get them to help protect the ring and prepare for the evil forces, but instead Rohan decided they want the ring for themselves and are short-sighted against everyone else. Would be fun to have a battle against humans and horsemen for change
Going east and fighting the Rhun would be good too, I wonder if they have miniatures like that though or if they will look like haradrim
Yesssss, building up to a battle between the Easterlings of Sauron vs the Fellowship with the rebel Easterlings & Blue Wizards coming in to reinforce instead of Gandalf the White
This alternative playthrough is better than fan fic 😅
@@Gunnarr123abc GW did indeed produce models of the Easterlings and Variags of Khand; look up the Dragon Emperor of Rhun model, it's very cool!
Such a good narrative! The Balrog just bodying Treebeard instantly and the next turn is when the courage spell fails. The dice really do know how to tell a good story. Would love the next episode to be the fellowship getting saved from orcs with a troll (To counter Gordon Treeman) by rohirrim as they cross the plains going towards Minas Tirith.
I really hope Grima gets a really cool glowup model from killing the balrog.
"Yes, I am gray now," said Grima. "Indeed I am Gandalf, one might almost say, Gandalf as he should have been."
Oh grima becoming a wizard instead of a knight would be neat
Man, Saruman being good in this one is basically what if Count Dooku never joined the Dark side.
Man, a star wars alt history campaign would be so good
Lovely to see the version of Saruman the White from Middle Earth: The Wizards rock up and be a good lad.
Superb! Songs shall be written about the great Grima the Balrog Slayer in the halls of the Rohirrim.
Amazon should have spent a billion dollars on game night so they could produce more of these lotr videos.
I let out a real cheer when fatty survived!
Can't wait to see the next part where Morgan treeman takes the place of Boromir at amon hen and just hurls a statue at Lurtz
but where do the uruk hai come from if not from saruman?
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 Gandalf the Red, he overthrows the Witchking and takes Minas Morgul as Base of Operation
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 it's an inside job
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 In the books the Uruk-hai where originally made by Sauron 500 years or so before Saruman turned evil. The ones we see in the books/movies are just a newer (possibly improved) batch made by Saruman.
They have a stat line (and models) in game; their stats are identical to the Isengard Scout Uruk-hai, but with a couple of slightly different weapon options, and the Mordor keyword instead of the Isengard one.
They're metal miniatures so they're a bit pricey (24 of them would cost 112gbp instead of the 31.50gbp for the plastic Isengard ones), so you'd probably want to use proxies (either the Isengard ones or one of the wide variety of non-GW orcs out there).
Gordon Treeman, as it is a play on Gordon Freeman
My favorite games night content, and that is saying something. Thanks for the videos, guys.
Oh man, Battle for Middle Earth is how I got dragged into the hobby. I still have piles of ancient, badly painted Goblins somewhere!
Grima was the MvP of that fight, I love the story that is being told.
I love watching this alternative LOTR timeline
The alternate narrative these games have created is so, endlessly entertaining, and somehow it keeps it's own continuity so so well. I love this series and can't wait wait for more!
I love how the Fellowship is now a group of eight normal-sized dudes with a two-storey tall tree-man just tagging along with them.
Saruman as he should have been, with his best friend Grima 'Balrog-Slayer' Wormtongue
That ambush..as soon as it was said my power cut. One Heck of an ambush.
Having the models move aswell as the red arrows during the stills is a nice touch
The idea that Saruman and worm toungue are now in the fellowship is such a twist, and an ent as well? Love this alternate timeline story. Will Gandalf now return as the evil wizard?
16:26 Maybe there will be a battle of Mordor Dam (Sauron's renewable energy project) where Sauron's Legion of Orcs faces off against New Gondorian Republic or something.
Super happy to have Sarumen on þe side of good! Looking forward to see what sort of heroics he gets up to!
ben u forgot the suspiciously modern looking chain fence around the tower
Many are the advancements of Saruman's creations
I’ll have to get a membership. These videos are so good, I need more.
Could be interesting to have a variant of Helms Deep. Perhaps the Balrog leaving so fiercely in Moria has caused the Gundabad Orc’s of the Misty Mountain’s to travel away from the mountain towards the lands of Rohan? The sheer quantity of orc’s ravaging the country side led by a charred figure, the fallen Maiar Gandalf the Dog-killer.
I love this alternate history campaign! Can't wait to see the final duel between ringbearer sam and ringwraith frodo at the very end.
Loved this episode, next thing you know the wild men of Dunland are the good guys while Rohan become corrupted by the ring
Fantastic ending and props to Alex for getting the garden together in 24 hours. This is a lovely and silly series so far!
Hail, Grima Wyrmbane! Slayer of Demons!
I'm imagining Pippin shouting at the tree, "Awake! Awake! Fear! Fire! Foes! Awake!"
You can tell the fellowship wouldn't have lasted long if they kept having to fight Tom. Glad Lewis came in to give them a big win. Gives the dark forces more poins to work with in the future.
Grima Wormtongue is not the hero we need, but he is the hero we deserve.
12:24 was a cool shot. nicely done
Grima Balrog's Bane needs a proper upgrade now. After all, he was was once a man of Rohan and deserved to become one again.
Genuinely love this version 😂 I'm predicting that somehow fatty bulger will bear the ring to mountdoom, wrestle with gandalf for the ring and then be rescued by a nazgul 🤔
Outrageously good! Can't wait for the next one. Thanks for all the effort you guys pour into these videos!
Me and my little brother are loving this series. We're hoping Fatty makes it to the end.
Are we going to get a good version of Saruman of Many Colours instead of Gandalf the White?
[Pride Saruman] vs [Gandalf: Returned From Hell]
Saruman and the Techni-colour Dreamcoat?
@@henrycoles-abell2064 Someone call Dolly Parton
"guys, I got out of the web!......guys?"
I love Worm Tongue is so unsettling with his wormy tongue that he caused people to suffer a loss of focus.
So glad you used my favourite character creamer wormtounge
11:41 Very well done. You knew that meme's origins and utilized it beautifully and flawlessly.
Whenever I tell someone that that meme is from the cover of Lord of the Rings Roleplaying Rulebook, they're surprised.
YESSS!! Your series Ben has got me in to finally getting the lord of the rings middle earth strategy battle game mini's and I'm loving starting my collection, painting and making them. Please do a video on painting mini's and how you guys assemble them. Would love more in depth knowledge from you❤. Love these videos!!! And I love lord of the rings!!! Just finished painting Sauron❤😊
Maybe we could see Denathor get the army of Gondor to attack the Fellowship, that could be fun
Grima deserves an extra D6 (re-rolling 1's of course, and with exploding 6's) Might or Fate points for killing that Balrog...
i really hope you continue with this, the ongoing narrative and story are so good. Adds so much to just gameplay.
Can we get a Gríma Wormtongue glow-up for his transition to Gríma Balrogs Bane.
Really enjoyed this. Fun energy, good pacing, and great post effects work.
did we just turn Grima Wormtongue into fucking caiphas cain!?
PLEASE TELL ME WE MAKE HIM CAIPHAS CAIN
I can't stop chuckling at the idea of an ent with Gordon freeman's glasses and beard
Next time on Lord of the Games Night:
Denethor in his obsession with securing the ring for Gondor has sent his men into the countryside of Rohan to find the fellowship. Rohan protects the true king, but will Aragorn be able to convince Boromir or Faramir to rebel against their father?
Rumors speak that this hunt is encouraged by Denethor's most trusted advisor, who has returned... albeit wearing a different shade...
Man, I’m sad the Balrog died… they never get to do anything :
The Legendary saga continues! This series is great. can't wait for the next one.
holy shit i was thinking about when the next ones coming earlier
I'm loving this tabletop series, SO MUCH!!
Heck yeah, loving this series, great work everyone!
Shan't lie, seeing fun games like this is why MESBG is my favourite G.W system. Keep up the good work chaps!
Legolas never misses.. that was a warning shot
This is my absolute favorite series. Keep it up folks!
Not even exaggerating, the first video in this series brought me back to the Yogscast after years of not watching; its good to be back :)
God I wish I could afford to still be a member. This series is fantastic.
Absolutely loving this narrative so far! Thanks, lads!
Love to see more MESBG on the channel! Awesome board
Time for a custom Grimar Balrogslayer mini with a flaming sword?! :D
Helm's Deep should absolutely be next
Reverse helms deep. Orcs being assaulted by the rohiren and the fellowship
still waiting for Gimli and Boromir, loving the series though.
I'm really loving this alternative history LoTR campaign.
I watch all of these as soon as I see them. Awesome stuff.
Now that they've got rid of the balrog and got a replacement wizard... I think they should move east and pass through an Osgiliath just before it's first siege 🙂
Hero of the Fellowship, Grima Wormtongue
Looks like Legolas and Gimly really needed to push each other to be their best!
I'm not even a big LOTR fan. But this campagn's videos are some of my favourite videos on youtube entirely. It's suprising they are not among the top watched videos on the channel.
i thougt about it, if the series goes on for a while, they might go to Osgiliath that hasn't been captured and Denethor not beeing gone that mad, i mean the Death of Boromir didn't helped at all but you need to be a bit unstabled already to fall to madness
Given Saruman isn't the guy zooming Sauron on his plantir in this timeline, it could be that Denethor is doing so in his place. Honestly, Minis Tirith taking the place of Orcanth in being the second tower would be a hella interesting twist on things.
@@RAFMnBgaming but, Denetor also looked into the Minas Tirith Palantir, so he wouldn‘t looked that long or yet into it
Grima Balrogslayer needs to be part of the fellowship now but as a really pale Conan the Barbarian figurine.
Absolutely loving this series!
the HERO grima, chad of chads
I hope they homebrew some new rules for grima in the upcoming adventure to showcase his change of heart
My fiancé and I were lamenting how badly we wanted a follow up to this insane campaign with dog killing Gandalf and this strange Fellowship of unlikely characters….then, as if you heard, this beauty lands and adds so much extra amazing lore! Legolas’s plight, Gordon Treemen, of course Grima stealing the show! Thank you for all the laughs lads, really hope we get to see more of this campaign! It’s cooking… just like Treebeard 😢